tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297574837015974999.post2941543963988343680..comments2024-03-13T05:37:06.073-07:00Comments on 080808 On,Now,To the Third Level: The Holy Ghost Growing Machine - The Body of ChristChris Welch - 07000INTUNEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17932291173536070080noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297574837015974999.post-20532798136594276392008-09-01T23:33:00.000-07:002008-09-01T23:33:00.000-07:00Jul,I'm dashing out to do a piano removal .I just ...Jul,<BR/>I'm dashing out to do a piano removal .I just wanted you to know <BR/>like Schwarzeneger i'll be back.(Terminator films)Chris Welch - 07000INTUNEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932291173536070080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297574837015974999.post-74023897445899843772008-09-01T16:13:00.000-07:002008-09-01T16:13:00.000-07:00I just read your comment on Romans 7 over on Lydia...I just read your comment on Romans 7 over on Lydia's blog, at least, I read it again! I was wondering if I could get you to clarify what you're saying, it seems your saying that you believe it's speaking of the believer who comes under law, that it's not describing the experience of the unbeliever (which I take it Ryan thinks) but of a new believer, or second level believer...is that right? If so, do you think that a believer is in any way supposed to be still under law, or are you saying that this run-in so to speak with the law as a believer is necessary in order to understand the nature of our new life in Jesus? I think I'm starting to understand where you're coming from a little better, but want to make sure. You've written a few things that tend to make me nervous but I think it's mostly due to me not quite understanding what you're trying to say...the more I read, the more I think I'm not nervous!julhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15688008902332240637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297574837015974999.post-16797050235507307682008-09-01T13:15:00.000-07:002008-09-01T13:15:00.000-07:00Thankyou for being so good as sharing all that. It...Thankyou for being so good as sharing all that. It is so hard trying to second guess what is going on out there as we bandy stuff around between the blogs...unless everyone feels safe enough to say what they feel and where they are at.<BR/>I think you are really perceptive about your Dad. maybe it's something to do with the Spirit and the Word. Keswick Convention have been hammering "the second blessing" for nearly a century...and many of them confuse this with the baptism in the Spirit.<BR/>Maybe they mean a kind of Romans 7-8 thing, or perhaps they are talking about grace. But the wonderful thing about someone like Rob is he walks in what he sees, he lets the Spirit lead him and doesn't get deterred...and he's really exciting to listen to. He is an igniter...(did you read the thing I said on Dan's blog about the ship's propulsion unit having two relatively small but key left and right igniters?) And it sounds like your Dad , as with everyone, needs more of this message of grace. The other key message into the Body of Christ since Toronto and perhaps Floyd McClung's book is about Fatherhood.<BR/>It seems that is what God is doing here in Havant, through our May conference and RiverCamp, and just yesterday a major door opening prophecy given by Peter Stott.<BR/>Actually the third level is like the birth of a chick. everything in the previous stages now breaks open like an egg...and a new fluffy bundle of energy leaps out to explore a whole new world. Everything we heard before as a corporate church, we'll hear again on a larger wider more powerful scale. As I think I said on Dan's blog...all I'm talking about is one tiny section, to do with the Ark of the Testimony,a wooden box,(a human life) covered inside and out with gold. The others are talking about the real Presence of a Living God, or maybe about the rod that budded which speaks of our new absolutely incredible authority which God expects us to use once we know who we are. others are talking about Fatherhood in real depth...which is not surprising since John's Third level talked abou us "knowing Him who is from the beginning."<BR/><BR/>Also it is interesting that when Moses actually got his final breakthrough calling at age 80...what did he see but God passing before Him showing HIS GOODNESS.<BR/>Job saw something similar in his breakthrough, where God just showed him all the stunning things which God had made in creation...yet filled with thoughtfulness, care and lovingkindness.<BR/>I'm finding all this a learning curve myself because it's forcing me to think..now what is it I really believe. For example my answer to Lydia yesterday on the way I would explain Romans rather than Ryan's way.<BR/>I believe that Word people were God's way of balancing up Spirit people....but hopefully as Smith Wigglesworth prophesied we will be both....and both to such an extent that we will be as sharp as Jesus to unearth religious spirits and bondage...as you and Dan are always writing.<BR/>That's what He was doing with his friend Martha when He turned up 3 days late for Lazarus.<BR/><BR/>Many thanks to you.Chris Welch - 07000INTUNEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932291173536070080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297574837015974999.post-90193619121845107392008-09-01T06:55:00.000-07:002008-09-01T06:55:00.000-07:00I think I'm following this post and the last well ...I think I'm following this post and the last well enough. I certainly don't think it's weird the idea of Christ living in us, that we've died and been raised in him and should live effortlessly in the sense that we rest in him, draw all from him and lay our own self-effort down, reckoning ourselves dead to sin and alive to God by faith. I do find it strange that you see it as a secret that Rob or Joseph Prince and others know nothing about... Is the real christian life really so difficult to grasp or is it simple enough for a child? <BR/><BR/>I'm young and somewhat new to grace and power, to living outside of 'me' and abiding moment by moment in him and am certainly not offended personally. But I can't think that the many men you've listed are completely oblivious to all this...maybe I'm wrong...and I certainly am not holding them up in any way because I'm DONE with the christian celebrity mindset. <BR/><BR/>My own father is on this now all the time, the Christ life (...no longer I but Christ living in me...) convinced that it is the key to every Christian's dream life so to speak. And equally convinced that Rob and other grace preachers are missing it almost completely, that they're preaching an inadequate gospel. The funny thing about it is, that until he heard their message, all his knowledge about the Christ life was completely useless to him, a goal he could never reach. He needs the grace message to get him into Christ to begin with. We are a body, and each part is essential, each with a message or function that is indispensible. We should not look to any one part for all we need, but benefit from the composite whole in fellowship far and near, similar and different from ourselves. What if Rob is preaching exactly what he's supposed to be preaching? What if he has revelation that God has told him to hold back on for now? Or what if it's your role to preach a different facet of truth to enrich and compliment someone else's message? <BR/><BR/>Maybe I'm misunderstanding, please don't take me the wrong way. These are honest questions that I'm working through, not just inspired by you but by many other voices in my life at the moment...<BR/><BR/>If I'm ever too blunt or offensive, please just let me know. I can handle correction, just not fond of condemnation hehe.julhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15688008902332240637noreply@blogger.com