tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297574837015974999.post6149621325226792499..comments2024-03-21T05:48:22.382-07:00Comments on 080808 On,Now,To the Third Level: In Him was the light of menChris Welch - 07000INTUNEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17932291173536070080noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297574837015974999.post-3071697589469042802010-01-27T05:23:27.563-08:002010-01-27T05:23:27.563-08:00Denominational churches love this territory becaus...Denominational churches love this territory because they don't need to stress being born again. I am DEFINITELY NOT GOING back there again. Jesus is alive and His new birth is real. See how you get on with the second video.<br /><br />Is your name Annie or is that an abbreviation of Anonymous?Chris Welch - 07000INTUNEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932291173536070080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297574837015974999.post-90482283771946852852010-01-26T06:31:58.103-08:002010-01-26T06:31:58.103-08:00Chris,
Thank you for taking time to discuss this...Chris, <br /><br />Thank you for taking time to discuss this some more. I'm home sick today and have been reading blogs:-) I have to admit, my attitude is ever-changing where grace is concerned, because I see how I've taken on some kind of Christian "herd" mentality in judging those outside of Christ (in years past). It does me good to discuss these things, and let the Holy Spirit enlighten me. <br /><br />I see so many people on the internet arguing about doctrine and beliefs, and insisting this one is right, or that one is wrong, and it's gotten to the point that I'm sickened by it all. I know Jesus loved people. Wait, make that present tense - He LOVES people, all of us, whether we acknowledge Him or not. The only real problem I have is agreeing with Paul and others that each man is born with that that "light." You see, I've thought the bible said Jesus was indeed the light of men...but I always took that to mean He became the light in whosoever believed in Him (a transaction occuring by the power of the Holy Spirit). I'm no theologian or even bible student, but I've read my bible a good bit these past 20+ years. I'm fascinated to learn how I can still open these pages and read something, and finally comprehend a gem of truth that I never saw there before. <br /><br />Forgive my rambling...pray that I'll see what it is I need to see. God bless you and thank you again for sharing your wisdom with me.<br /><br />Annie<br /><br />PS--Just remembered something I wanted to mention. If it's true, that all men have the light of Christ inside them, what is to distinguish our beliefs from pantheism? Pantheism believes that God is inside every man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297574837015974999.post-74063755426492544652010-01-26T01:31:15.494-08:002010-01-26T01:31:15.494-08:00Thanks for taking the time to write so graciously....Thanks for taking the time to write so graciously. So there are 2 thankyous there. 1.for writing2.for not being personal but keeping the questions objective. I have no real idea on how these posts are being perceived unless people give feedback.<br /><br />Paul A.W. is saying there is a light in man which man cannot square with the darkness he sees inside him. Presumably, without that light we would be irretrievably lost without hope of ever perceiving the truth in Christ.<br />Compare<br />"I don't perceive it hurtful to see folks as born again or not." <br />"...and this is after all the real change...is one at their spirit centre when they move from darkness to life in new birth." <br />and"When we look in Christ, and see no man after the flesh:<br />We see a man or woman moving in / not moving in the Spirit of God."<br />The second one goes a bit further to include a born again person exhibiting works of darkness...works that are just not in the flow of what the Holy Spirit is doing.<br />This would be like Peter(yes I know this was before Jesus had breathed into him)...one minute confessing "You are the Christ" next thing he is saying "You don't want to go up to Jerusalem, Lord".<br /><br />The hurt I was writing about is rather this:<br />when for example we are so locked into a manmade process of getting someone born again we miss the fact that something that person is doing right now is the very means by which God is speaking to them to lead them to the Kingdom.<br /><br />or another type of hurt is when a composer like say Shostakovitch paints in sound the very interior world of what it is to live in a repressive regime, at one minute polishing up its brasses to go on parade, the next exterminating whole countrysides of peoples it has decided it doesn't like. If a born again person hears that music and it is not praise music, and says "OOOO that sounds discordant...it is clearly of the devil"<br />then yes....we get unnecessary hurt. Because someone has enough light to be born again, but not enough light to see where Shostakovitch was coming from.<br /><br />As for discussing pantheism or not and explaining CS Lewis's text, seeing Christ in everything is not a left-brain activity nor explicable as such. "Christ in us the hope of glory" except in a rather limited form as "Asking Jesus into your life" (which is like the necessary marriage certificate by the way) is not a left-brain verse either.In fact as a verse of teaching it is just about meaningless. But in the Holy Spirit it becomes everything.<br /><br />Which is why the New Testament spells out how we do meetings. Being filled with the Spirit singing new songs,comparing spiritual with spiritual, speaking in tongues, interpreting, prophesying....<br />these are all either left brain/ heart activities or just plain heart activities." But purely left-brain activities on their own...NO WAY.<br />The only way we understand anything is to immerse ourselves in scripture and then get sozzled in the Spirit so He can bring all the verses to life for us.Chris Welch - 07000INTUNEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932291173536070080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297574837015974999.post-43284841616384513902010-01-25T23:29:59.259-08:002010-01-25T23:29:59.259-08:00Holy smackaroo! lol...
So what is your definition...Holy smackaroo! lol...<br /><br />So what is your definition of pantheism?<br /><br />In all humility, I hope you will proofread your posts because so much of what you wrote can be misconstrued, yet I'm trying hard to understand what you're saying. I also listened to Paul's talk on the video, and he's not saying up" the way Christians perceive nonChristians. I thought he was offering insight into what exactly the Scripture means, "In Him was the light of men." <br /><br />I don't perceive it hurtful to see folks as born again or not. Even Jesus said, "You must be born again." It's not something to beat them over the head (with a bible, no doubt) but gives us understanding as how we may interact with grace. <br /><br />I'm on a journey with Jesus Christ, to shed the graveclothes of religion, but I still believe that, in these perilous times, we must *still* weigh what man says against truths documented for us in the bible. Does that make me a bible worshiper? Nope. But it just seems lately that anything goes! And my prayer is that we'd continue in love and grace to share the good news of Jesus so that every man and woman will receive the life, that is the light of men.<br /><br />Thank you!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com