tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297574837015974999.post8956134357074277036..comments2024-03-21T05:48:22.382-07:00Comments on 080808 On,Now,To the Third Level: The Body of Christ has Apps!Chris Welch - 07000INTUNEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17932291173536070080noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297574837015974999.post-14617314589560076472009-09-22T14:40:14.536-07:002009-09-22T14:40:14.536-07:00Luke thanks for stopping by.I have just read some ...Luke thanks for stopping by.I have just read some of your articles. They are very good.<br /><br />Discipleship. I could do a post on that. I've referred quite deeply to it in my series:thirdlevel look at ministry.<br /><br />The thing that is coming to the fore in Havant in the last months is :Fatherhood and relationship.<br />Jack Fortenberry has just done a book which I will be offering soon called "Corinthian Elders".<br /><br />We have Greek systemes in the church, but as you write this "rabbi" and disciple way of operating is really unknown. We've had a Greek version. Asystematized version. Not that Ern Baxter/ Juan Carlos ortiz and others in the early shepherding movement ever meant it that way.<br />I can truthfully say God blessed me with the real model in a man called Ron Knight in Amersham. We hadn't a clue what we were modelling. Or how rare it was. It just seemed normal. And we were all just following Jesus step by step. Around 1973. So when Ern Baxter and Ortiz turned up, we said "Wow...that's what we're doing". Imagine how boggled we were by the manufactured version that went right through the churches in the western world! His wife and I were chatting about it again over the weekend.Every structure has to be birthed through the Spirit. Everything else is just "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" stuff.<br /><br />That's what the coming multitudes are going to be hungering for...a relationship with The Master Jesus...but helped along by experienced Christians who are prepared to relate with them...but not to yoke them to themselves, but give them a leg up to experiencing Christ in their own form...their own life story!<br />SO SO SO SO SO SO far from anything out there at the moment.<br />Seminaries haven't a clue.<br />Churches haven't a clue.<br />Pastors haven't a clue.<br />So called Apostles haven't a clue. They aren't actually apostles...not in the Pauline use of the term...they are "Warehouse builders" With Hillsong Music attachments.<br />An Apostle is like Alan Vincent who recently actually sat down with the people he was boarding with in Lee On Solent (friends of mine) and said tell me...what is it you are not getting. That's the first time anyone anywhere had done that with the husband, man to man. Transplanting Christ Himself is apostleship. The rest is getting people across the Red Sea, but not having a clue what to do with them then.<br /><br />You may have guessed I feel a little strongly on this. I think I'm building up strength for a Paul and Peter moment(remember the grace struggle in Acts)with some of the world's leading so-called apostles. "Rubbish,"I'll say, "You are not apostles. You don't even know about the 3rd level yet for your own lives, let alone transmitting it and imparting it to thousands of others. You are as lost as they are!"Chris Welch - 07000INTUNEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932291173536070080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297574837015974999.post-34769269311534169972009-09-22T14:08:17.439-07:002009-09-22T14:08:17.439-07:00Lydia- I expect you've had glimpses of how won...Lydia- I expect you've had glimpses of how wonderful the Body of Christ is when it gets going...some of the events you've been to.<br />I once made the mistake of asking Eldred Linden (an IMA/Sam Fife/Move type ministry) what his hobby was? Ever humble, he quietly replied that he didn't have much time for a hobby. By this he meant bythe time he'd been round the jungles of South America, and Asia on donkeys and on foot, coupled with all the standard conference fayre of the more civilised (so called)nations....generally speaking the Word of the Lord about the Preparation of an End-time bride.....Actually it did make going down the bowling green a little bit difficult!<br />As each person sees in the Spirit the amazing nature of this multinational church....ever more manifest...well it's hard not to fall in love with the Church.Chris Welch - 07000INTUNEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932291173536070080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297574837015974999.post-86309415357526609902009-09-21T12:55:52.941-07:002009-09-21T12:55:52.941-07:00I like what you said here: "[T]here is a side...I like what you said here: "[T]here is a side of me . . . that freak out at some of these things. We are convinced that a lot of the problems are caused because in bringing people to the Lord nearly no one 'explains the grace of God in truth,' so from the word go people are building their Christian life like the Tower of Pisa."<br /><br />I agree. Technology in the hands of the Spirit is wonderful (like this blog, for instance). Technology in the hands of men who like their legalistic philosophies is of no help at transforming hearts.Lukehttp://www.covenanteyes.com/blog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297574837015974999.post-65962937663499905312009-09-20T14:14:40.958-07:002009-09-20T14:14:40.958-07:00You are such an encouragement Chris! You obviously...You are such an encouragement Chris! You obviously love the body of Christ ~ Thanks!!!lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01495924200222561417noreply@blogger.com