Not only does this reply to the question of Women Teachers in Church take a couple of minutes to get going , my phone cuts the message at ten minutes, but the points are vital in these days of Christian men and women walking off from each other.
Jean Darnall prophesied over each member of Old Town Baptist Church Amersham UK around 1972.
Rachel's parents Alan and Eileen Vincent drove me to my new life on the South Coast.
There’s a cost to carrying the Gospel into hard places. I’ve stared down mobs shouting threats, been in the hospital from my body giving out, held at gunpoint, threatened by Hindu and Muslim extremists and had to flee for my safety. I’ve slept in mud huts, wondered through garbage dumps and slums wondering if I’d live to see my family again. That’s real persecution.
But here’s what those moments taught me. When death breathes down your neck for preaching Jesus, you stop fearing man’s opinion. You stop caring about bitter YouTube rants or accusations of being a “false prophet” from people who’ve never stepped foot in the battlefield. Why? Because I’ve already gambled my life for this calling. I’ve walked away from near death moments knowing the devil couldn’t silence me so why would I let some stranger’s keyboard?
Those lies online? They don’t haunt me. Why? Because I’ve literally seen the hand of God move and my life was spared. I got to live another day and went home to hug my kids, kiss my wife, and thanked God I survived to keep fighting. Every minute I waste defending myself against petty critics is a minute stolen from feeding the hungry, praying for the sick, or holding my family close.
To my fellow warriors doing real Kingdom work. If you’ve bled for the Gospel, sweated in the harvest, or wept over souls, you know truth isn’t measured by likes or shares. The enemy wants you distracted to make you answer every allegation, obsess over every rumor. Don’t. The same grace that kept you alive in the valley of death will shield you from cheap words.
I’m not here to debate armchair theologians or answer to people that are bitter about the church. I’m here to preach Jesus until my last breath. If I’d died in that prison, or that malaria clinic, or on that dirt road… my kids wouldn’t remember me as a man who “won arguments.” They’d remember a father who showed them how to live and die for what matters; the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
Keep your armor on. Keep plowing. Let the critics mock; let the bitter rage. We’ve got a Kingdom to build.
Apostle Paul said this, “I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race…” (Acts 20:24)
If you look at Lutheran faith after 1000 years of Catholicism you couldn't have even imagined such a changeover during the period leading up to it .
What is the changeover ? The personalisation of the Cross to me . The finished nature of Christ's work .
Through personalisation and the translation of the Bible at last ....at least for those who can read or learn reading through the Bible ......politics changes . Steady state science begins based on the investigation of God's order in creation .
God's Presence is always and everywhere there .
We have to remember that in the so called Dark ages of Catholicism . People will look back and are starting to , to label the Enlightenment as the Endarkenment , because human minds were dumbed down from all spirituality whatsoever .
And as we are spirit , as any Eastern faith will teach , this is essentially insanity .
So at regular intervals there were revivals and the Wesley and Whitfield one was decades long and at least one was a product of meeting Moravians on a ship . Moravians were a product of 100 years prayer meeting. There's a surge of pure God energy in that very connection .
Likewise nobody could envision the changeover that happened through Pentecostalism , the rediscovery of baptism in the Spirit .
It is the Holy Spirit who makes the New Covenant work. It is one of the central themes of Jesus last preach to the disciples in the Passover Meal ....that and the oft repeated " Whatsoever you ask in My Name shall be done for you ".
We just had no clear OFF THE GENESIS 3 LYING PLATFORM idea of what the dicke-ns " In my Name meant "
Gathering in My Name became experiential in Baptism in the Spirit . People were learning first hand to do things with the powers of the age to come and it can only work with some notion of prayerful knowing of when the Holy Spirit is leading us personally .
But how to do that outside meetings ?
How are we losing God ? What's dissipating ?
That's the third level discoveries of Cambridge mind Norman Grubb put to work on the subject , within running a world mission WEC for 60 years .
Nobody could have previsaged what could happen through Luther'simple restatement of the Brazen Altar Door way of Christ's Cross through whom multitudes poured through Lutheranism .
Nobody could have previsaged the millions converted through the work of the Holy Spirit in the last 100 years , and especially the work of Bonnke in Africa , leading one in every 100th inhabitant of the planet to the Lord ....80million plus .
Nobody could even dream of that in 1900 before the 1904 outpourings .
But what then , the combination of first stage , second stage and third stage growth of Christianity able to completely reverse Genesis 3 itself across the planet . Not just by the cheapskate message of a return to spirituality in New Age ....which is nothing more than meditating down into and further strengthening and confirming our own possession in Kundilini , the snake , the reptilean .....
No, this is believing upon Christ's export of the whole snake condition , and the whole self run I Will Thelema from the devil himself ...,.who then just leeches off us until our deaths ......
No .....out of here Devil .
Jesus the Lamb who yes takes away sins .....but legacy churches , evangelical churches and Charismatic churches are also just as cheapskate as New Age ......they never specify and Ringfence Genesis 3.
Jesus is the scapegoat .
He is the Lamb and scapegoat who takes out quite literally the One Sin of Satan that there ever was ....
Living outside of God .
If you ask anything in My Name it shall be done for you .
And if there is a Church that believe all that we truly are in the upper realms of psalms of Ascent
Christine and I were never in ministry . I was wondering how it works for people like John and Carol Arnott that both minister supernaturally in conferences . Or the Banovs ?
They need watching . The bad thing about writing is you don't know if " they need watching " is a bit spooky like pulling a curtain aside and watching a predator ....or how I meant it .
The church is the pillar and ground of truth . It's one of the focuses of our Holy Spirit Watch and Learn.
Conferences may even be pillarier.!!!!
Or not .
They are not rooted and grounded in a geography like a church is . Everybody ups sticks after 5 days .
But they are pillarier and groundier in that conferences have the sort of thirdlevel or approaching third level leaders that we should all have ministering across our local town , city and region just like the Church Jesus built to model it on .
In the Azusa Street Revival we saw black and white men ministering together as normal . John G Lake behaved like that in South Africa .
I'm guessing Freemasons stirred up the churches in the USA .Lake received no further American support . Some of the new rural ministries died of starvation and Lake returned under a cloud .
But the real cloud were the Freemasons and Albert Pike's new KKK.....which ofcourse wasn't public but in the shadows .
What we should be doing if we can't have real churches yet because nobody goes into the ground so all ministries dwell alone like pyramid pharoahs , is watch conferences .
What's happening with couples who both move in the supernatural , and now are progressing towards third level 1 John 2 father stage ministry together .
You can put the three stages using many aspects of God's life in us . Let's use Word .
In the first stage you are receiving Jesus and testifying to what is going on in you .
In the next stage you are baptised in the Spirit and taking steps in the anointing . This marked and still marks and amazing amount of conference ministry . This time testimonies of miracles and Holy Spirit interventions .
But the true apostolic , prophetic Word is when you have not just walked anointing for a while , but walked Galatians 2.20 for a while . Jesus was grounding Himself in the Father for 30 years and doing no ministry . The Galatians verse for us born of Adam , takes us into a New Covenant version of Proverbs 3.6 In all your ways acknowledge God and He will make straight your paths .
In the Old Testament outer courts walk God is " out there "watching is .....
The New Covenant Emmanuel , God is with us version is so Emmanuel it will blow Jews minds when they get hold of it .
Jesus killed us in the cross .He took out our main spirit being , left the Adamic in Hades , and the Holy Spirit ccleverly raised our pure spirit essence woven in Christ as Colossians 3 3 says , and Jesus says He is not ashamed to call us brethren .
Genesis 3 locked us into a front of house believing which was always a complete lie . We believe ourselves carnally self powered souls ...self powered minds will and emotions . Richard Dawkins even sold a book called The God Delusion .
And Stan Warren who was converted out of philosophy always pointed out philosopher humanists for their slightly strange head first poise and gate , because their mind is their idol . I assume Bertrand Russell walked like this .
In moving from flesh to spirit we are telling ourself the truth . I am spirit , I have a mind , will and emotions . I have died , and now I am a married spirit fused with Christ and He is living in my form as Me . The American Jesus and me ,still living as a Genesis 3 separately powered entity is wrong .
It accounts for all the solo ministries which have never gone into the ground like grain and died and dwell alone . Ofcourse Brits , Europeans and Africans are the same .
Watch the Mark types .....who come out of the womb lovey , and are quite at ease at one level , with people . Because this can be mistaken for great maturity . No , they arrive like that , and aren't necessarily born again yet . Watch out for 4th quartile spiritual know it alls .....they were born seeing spiritually....the John types . They could be shamen , witches anything ....or just spiritual musicians and artists .....They arrive like that , it doesn't mean they are born from Christ yet .
So thirdlevel is when your Word is hard wired to you . It's the opposite to ' a proverb in the mouth of a fool is like a man with lame legs '.
Stan Warren used to say about Papi Pradas that when he preached you could feel yourself going somewhere . The foundation apostles and prophets lay is the substance of Christ .
Ecclesia is formed on the apostles and prophets spoken Word going out to manifest in a people .
A Christ Community is tangibly seen forming.
The Word gets bitterly opposed but as Paul says , you can go amongst a people and smell the fragrance of death and resurrection of Jesus upon a people . There's faith among the people . There's love among the people .
Ruth Merry is getting into Law stuff . Well if you know Dave Lage he's anxious we leave Law and get into the New Covenant .
But here's a thing , right . Supposing Paul's Word about Israel comes true tomorrow , Jews see the real Jesus who they have pierced ,and not Project Bluebeam fakery . Like thousands of Muslims who in the last 30 years since Peter Wagner and Cindi Jacobs were led by God prophetically to get us praying for the 10/40 window , and they have seen Jesus .
So say Israel converts in a day ?
Well they understand moon months . They never had their days altered by the devil through the Pope to disguise God's prophecies coming to pass .
Jews know about parasites in pork.
They know there's anointing related to hair length and beards etc . I don't like beards but in the 70s I had long hair .
As Ruth says and all Messianic Jews say " Jesus said not a jot or tittle of the Law shall pass away .'
The Bible clearly says things in both directions and the obligations of the Law were reduced to two or three things related to the pagan cultures in which Gentiles lived.
The more time you spend amongst people leaving occult bloodlines the more you don't want to mess with anything they are doing with blood and Adrenochrome and human sacrifice . There's always been a public front , an exoteric version , and what the sin of Peior is actually in the background .
We have to be so established in Christ as us , that we know how much to take on board with newly converted Jews . The New Testament faced circumcision . Well having a bit of penis lopped off hardly ......and the pun is intended ....cuts it .
The true circumcision is murder . Jesus murdered our Adamic man . Jews don't get anywhere near this . Nor do evangelicals who preserve their leftbrain lifestyle and worship to this day ....they are the current Jews of Christianity .
Charismatics preserve their Adamic by clearly stating that they are Jesus and Me ....or the Holy Spirit and me , making quite clear they themselves are living on the Genesis 3 platform .
Yet in meetings they are taking steps of faith , praising until the Presence , and Jesus really is among them . But when they leave the meeting room door .....maybe they aren't quite as bad as the Little Britain airport sketches .....or maybe they are worse .
The Genesis 3 platform is Satan -I in both his tree of Good form and Tree of Bad form ....but the independent posture in our brains is the landing strip . In extremis Satan I can pretty much pull off anything .
Even deny that you know the Lord of glory after spending 42 months doing His training course .
So back to men and women ministering together .
That's got to be cool ,no ? Especially if you are both thirdlevel , and you know of what each is capable of , but you now both know Christ in you as you , and you know to keep watchful of each other with this alone- I Genesis 3 platform .
I mean the Banovs have been through some stuff to get where they are .
But yes ......conference life , while it's something of nothing geographically .....like Azusa Street , it's heralding something .
Moves of God are heralding something . Like Toronto and animal noises ....
It was a breakthrough in knowing the Father across the church but surely as well as breaking through people's prim and proper American adulthood and independent self , was it a reference to Jesus coming right into our Beast system to hoik us out before we take the mark of the Beast and finalise our covenant with the Luciferic, from which there is no return ???
What is the role of a man and a maid ? Galatians 5 is about laying down your life like Christ to see the life of God come forth in a woman .
What happens in a contemporary culture where both males and females grow side by side regardless ......or like the Crown of 12 stars Body has God left things incomplete deliberately so we have to receive things from one another ????
Jews and Gentiles ......think the prodigal son story and the elder brother
What is the mystery of a man and maid ? As things stand like John Stevens and myself women can just up and leave . Men ofcourse are doing the same .
I have little time for this type of Christianity .
Jews and many Anglicans stick out marriage but many are absolutely useless marriages .
Unlike the cleverly gated tricks that Satan pulls off with the charismatic and evangelical Egyptian pyramid order of the solo ministry and the backroom boys of compliant elder ships .....third level is Jesus in the woman and Jesus in the man , but right now as I speak across the earth .....nearly every Christian still lives in Genesis 3.
They" grace it up " with their Romans 3 to 5 doctrines .....but as we stand , unlike say 1970s Sisters of Mary Darmstadt or the Bible Houses , there are generally no real Holy Spirit greenhouses for the Romans 6 to 8 and Ephesians 4 to 6 processes for birthing us some real Manchild ,which is a Revelation 12 picture of what Body or the Woman does continually as the true ecclesia .
I don't believe in the Christianity of Anglicanism
I don't believe in the ever dividing Christianity of left brain Liss , Hampshire UK Christianity observed as a piano tuner in different factions .
I don't believe in the soggy charismatic Christianity in Britain .
I do believe in the Christianity of Bonhoeffer , Wurmbrand , Watchman Nee , Basilea Schlink , Ed Miller mostly , .....basically anybody taking us through these living processes in the work of the Holy Spirit .
But I have to say this saints because as great as these saints were ......where are Paul and the Apostles who were as at home in imparting Christ substance and Zöe life as well as outstanding miracles ,?
The ability to bring the THIRD DIVERSE in 1 Corinthians ...the operations of the Spirit .
Paul writes the three DIVERSES as normal church .
Are we just going to accept the Devil's trick of locking us into absolute supernatural powerlessness ? Through the Enlightenment scam ? Through the " I think therefore I Am " scam?
Through the " higher German criticism Jesuit rogue lies " scam ?
Is that it with our Jesus Move ?
A few largely weak and febrile Alpha Courses ?
Slope shouldering to half mature solo pastors because Paul Scanlon said if we carried the bags for these guys God would honour and release us ?
Well how is that looking in the UK 50 years after Gerald Coates , Terry Virgo , Bryn Jones , Peter Stott , Barney Coombes and Alan Vincent ?
The Word in the Bible . The Word that Jesus brought and manifested was the Holiest Place Word
Where the transition greenhouse stage of two separate things of mind and heart , of actions and supernatural, of table of ShewBread and candlestick, presses through the altar of incense and Day of Atonement to become
One thing
One thing
One thing
Acacia box stuffed with three forms of Word with the very Revival / Resurrection Khavod of God overhead .....making a safe Feast of Tabernacles booths to come out and visit .
Like Acts City on a Hill Church.
Where is it ?
Where is it Jesus Move ?
Ok , Jesus did train for 30 years first ....ok.....
But it only took Him 42 months modelling ZÖE as a solo person .
Out of the kindness and realism of His Heart ,when He ascended He let us have the softer option
HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN .....
and the Jesus Move tries to do it all themselves .
I got told off yesterday for using the phrase " John Crowfer type ".....but that's precisely what we are doing .
Kathie Walters type .....is a brand new demonstration of what is possible if we take the third DIVERSE seriously
John Crowder type is a person a bit like Brad Jersak or Santo Calarco that has strong Mark and Luke characteristics , but with lots more mysticism , but who has never lived in Bible House or lived like the disciples cheek by jowl with a twelvesome of completely different personalities all being pulled through in God .
But who has?
Some long stage YWAMMERS?
And we who were experientially doing that .....how much were any of us really coming off Genesis 3?
This Genesis 3 thing is a Catch 22.
If we don't " get it ," we are unable to crash through 1 Corinthians 12:14 to 26 dysfunction .
But conversely it's the very whole Body of Christ that sees things from all angles and doesn't remain cliquey and immature.
It's already something to have Brad Jersak's , John Crowder , Brian Zahnd , Santo Calarco that bridge the usual Mark Luke divide .....of caring and practical versus cerebral and philosophising .
I guess it's legitimate that we will always be the TYPE that God made us .....that blend of fourth quartile , Matthew Mark Luke or John , or choleric phlegmatic pragmatic and melancholic of book Surrounded by Idiots , or lion face , ox /cherub face , human face , eagle face
Or
Comely tree
Productive fruitful tree
Old sturdy tree
Willow tree
Or Meyers Briggs and their 16 blends ....
The 1 Corinthians 12 point is that we read each other.......and the biggest point in order to open the Kingdom portal in the earth is that the Fourth quartile be allowed to show themselves .
I lived my whole marriage faking other quartiles because instinctively I must have known Christine hates fourth quartiles .....but hey.....6 billion of the earth do .....apart from the brief two hours when they let an artist perform or as Franz Kafka writes in the Fasting Showman , they come to visit your cage to marvel at how slim and hungry you look .
Three reasons we have no Kingdom
1. The Kingdom is near you even in your mouth .
No American preaches like Jesus
Now is this fulfilled amongst you
Now is the Kingdom of heaven at hand
Dave yourselves from this crooked generation ( NOW ) - Acts 2 Peter
2. We will not have this Man reign over us
Every church that has a king pastor vicar priest
3. A prophet ....4th quartile John type is not welcome in his hometown .
Why ? Johns curate spirit and reveal Genesis 3 and pyramid or the psalm 121 mountains , for what they are . House of cards
Key
Matthews curate will and boundaries
Marks curate heart and action
Lukes curate mind
Johns curate spirit so are squeezed out from Genesis 3 platform society
I don't know what led up to the Pentecostal outpourings in several key locations , except as soon as the 1850s revival waned the Welsh chapel prayer meetings were on the job.
Maybe by then , both in the States and UK they were on approximate 50 year cycles and that is what they had learned to do . I don't know about Black Forest the heart of occult Bavaria or Armenia or the Pacific Islands . They will have a story .
I lived the 60s and it was a smaller version of now for negativities . Loads of alarm clocks set up by the enemy including Communist Cuba . Now with hindsight we can see Tavistock BBC programming Britain by increments , making it look a natural thing . Yesterday I saw a post for a sitcom called Robin's Nest . Totally unrealistic in practice because in reality the mixed sexes or same sex individuals close themselves off , each having their own lives .
The main thing is the Jesus Move happened .
They gathered in houses because the other churches wouldn't have Baptism in the Spirit .
Or some Word based churches , like some Baptist churches and some more open Brethren took baptism in the Spirit on board .
Bible weeks happened , really the start of the Spirit filled conferences that are more cross the board then just the Pentecostal groups , and these became the new churches .
The missing link in both evangelicalism and the new churches is the same . The Holy Spirit is doing His job taking people through the material of Romans and Ephesians , but we haven't the thirdlevellers still that existed in the New Testament . And quite simply , this sentence of Jesus sorts that out .
If you abide in My Word then you are truly My disciples , and you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free .
Once there are thirdlevel churches .....the awkward ,Romans 6 and 7 process can be midwifed .
It's fantastic we can have Acts Jerusalem Church in our Bibles to show us it's possible , indeed it's the Spirit norm once people see ......
This is primarily what apostles pray for .....
I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened .
Once you see the independent self and you can see with a single eye so your body is filled with Light , you are your own Bethel set of earpods.
You begin to be revival going on .
The life of God precedes Ephesians and Romans .
That's just like the Watchman Nee and Norman Grubb descriptions of what always is .
King David has so many parallels because , though not yet inside the New Covenant , he is seeking hard after God in his heart , and finding these eternal places inside the IAm God outside all time .
Isaiah and Ezekiel and so many others are doing the same .
Enoch is actually wassing not , so amazing was what he got hold of .
We know there are awkward bits in the importation of Christ into our souls because Jesus tells us parables .
Because of our Fall lock- in to us being soul centric and believing we are soul empowered beings like Richard Dawkins , the initial Word of God is only heard as words in our left brain . It hasn't reached the soil of our heart and spirit yet , which is like seed falling on the road way . The very next bird flying on on the BBC can pick up the seed and eat it up and that's more or less it .
But the next really really hard time , even more than the persecutions , are the bitter weeds and traumas of our twisted inner seeing . Some of it is ours , some goes back 6000 years , culturally hard wired into us .
Our current churches aren't churches in the ecclesia meaning . Only in the solo ministry teaching synagogue sense with a warm up band .
True ecclesia isn't just book teaching , it's the pillar and ground of truth of a brand new community off the Genesis 3 independent self platform .
We have exoerienced churches with some measure of DIVERSE ONE in 1 Corinthians 12 but it's true to say we never reach DIVERSE TWO because we have a king .....a pastor .....when really 1 John 1 shows a set of DIVERSE MINISTRIES , born out by Revelation 12.1 a Crown of 12stars breadth .
Otherwise you get stuck in the pastoral or the helps ministry or the prophetic or obscure fine points about teachings .
But DIVERSE MINISTRIES brings us into entanglement and that's what Life is ...everything coming at us from all angles .
Then we are built up in faith and expectation to reach about Day 3 of a conference which is the THIRD DIVERSE .....the Holy Spirit sovereignly doing His operations .
We lived many of those in a protracted way in Bible House . One of the most complex lasted 2 years or so and involved turning a paralysed 28 year old into a normal married wife in Barcelona though herself Geordie Newcastle . But it was a whole work of Sovereign revelation to her , and Body members doing steps of raw obedience .
In a meeting it's different manifestations of the Holy Spirits visitation .
Here's two truths ........as Norman Grubb taught , Galatians 2.20, Romans 12.1 , Colossians 3 3 living meand you stay in revival .
The Holy Spirit sticks around the living Christ in us .
Otherwise we are spending our whole lives still in Genesis 3 but rubbing our Aladdins Lamp to get the genie .
The Living Christ doesn't have a pastor .
All are ours .
And that right there is the Song of Solomon 5 issue .
We don't appear to submit . We submit to Word coming from elders plural , which is proper ecclesia , but no , we are not part of a pyramid .
We are in something called roof with holes Tabernacles . Some bits intersect with our current churches ......but it's a bit like the 60s again .....the train is still arriving on Platform 9 3/4.
The other truth comes through R Edward Miller , and I don't see them as mutually exclusive but both ...and ....continual revival and this truth ........
The Holy Spirit works in Feast Cycles .....not earthly Jewish cycles .....well He may do as well .....but in the Spirit He takes us through His own seasons of Passover Pentecost and Tabernacles .
Or petsambulations around Nehemiah's 12 Jerusalem Gates which have massive meaning to be unearthed .
By the time we reach Gate 9 the Eastern Gate , Aldi the number of months of childbirth .
By the time we reach Feast of outpouring of water and Feast of Ingathering in the Tabernacles week , that's Sovereign Revival .....always bigger than we can imagine .
God says in Isaiah .....behold I do a new thing will you now perceive it ?
In the 70s when the prophets are citing this verse , we all sat on our laurels and thought " ofcourse ofcourse it's baptism in the Spirit , we got this ".
But no .....God meant what He said .
This really is platform 9 3/4 stuff .
It's thirdlevel church .
It's the treasure in the field of mud .
It's also mystical with all these believers being caught up in the Spirit in the more recent moves .
It's both acacia box Mercy Seat Norman Grubb and Khavod Charlie Shamp or Kathie Walters or put in any names you know .
I spent from 1972 to 1988 in worship situations .
Either leading like Amersham , West Germany , and Exeter and co leading in Emsworth .
Then I did my Song of Solomon 5, and got locked into the freefall of faith and Galatians 2.20.
People smell me .....and they may be smelling residue .....but quite often they are smelling a complete departure from the secondlevel , which occurred very physically in Emsworth .
While Moses raising the snake , and Gideon's Ephod and maybe Rachel's tomb were good at the time , they became idols .
While Israel had to go through the wilderness they were never meant to stay there . It became their idol and they died inside it .
The Pentecostal and Charismatic womb produced the Feast Of Tabernacles baby .
The Word of God was never Book of Ezra on its own , but it moved to Book of Nehemiah .
The Word of God is always Light on a Hill , City on a Hill .
The Word of God never remained in prayer meetings inside John Milton's cottage nor William Penn's cottage in Chalfont St Giles but as Bill Bryson wrote , it became Pennsylvania and the Great American Experiment .
The Dragon is always poised to pounce on the next Manchild .
If he's nolonger poised ....that means he has already eaten your network .
There was a 400 year lull before Jesus .
There's been a longer than 50 year cycle in revival .
Behold I do a new thing can you now perceive it????