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Thursday, 17 August 2017


Chris Welch :Do I believe in Church attendance?
Not sure. I believe in many people living and worshipping together 
as they discover Galatians 2:20 consciousness.
Is that the same thing? Not yet,on planet earth.

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Going to church is one of the spiritual disciplines that forms us into Christlike people. As we meet with others, pray, engage in hospitality, encourage one another and read God’s Word together, we are shaped into the people of God.

James K.A. Smith, in his article “Alternative Liturgy: Social Media as Ritual,” says that these kinds of rituals or liturgies shape our imaginations:

Liturgies are covert incubators of the imagination, because they play the strings of our aesthetic hearts. Liturgies traffic in the dynamics of metaphor and narrative and drama; they are performed pictures of the good life that capture our imagination and thus orient our love and longing. By an aesthetic alchemy, liturgies implant in us a vision for a world and way of life that attracts us so that, on some unconscious level, we say to ourselves: ‘I want to go there.’ And we act accordingly.

As we practice the discipline of gathering as a church, our imaginations are meant to be fashioned and fueled. We begin to long for a certain kind of world as we engage in worship. Hopefully we long for the alternate reality we call the rule of God, expressive of shalom, which is about peace, justice, wholeness, reconciliation, mercy and truth. Then, as we envision it, we begin to practice living a life in that reality.

However, this ideal does not always manifest itself. In fact, I think “going to church” can sometimes run counter to this purpose of transforming God’s church into a people who embody shalom.

I often wonder whether the practice of “going to church” is shaping Christians into people who flesh out the practices and posture of shalom in our world, or whether the practice of going to church inhibits that purpose. I know this sounds like a contentious statement. We know the benefits of church attendance, but could there be pitfalls and temptations in the practice of “going to church” that can draw us away from the mission of God?

Here are four ways church attendance can be a stumbling block for mission.

1. We can feel as though “going to church” makes us good Christians.

Christians have been taught to think that if we attend church regularly, we are obeying a well-established rule set out for us so that we might become good Christians. This is potentially legalistic and can take the place of a meaningful relationship with God.

The temptation can be to think that if we go to church, we are then doing enough to be followers of Jesus. The focus here is primarily on attending church rather than engaging with God’s mission. Of course, the two things should not necessarily cancel each other out.

2. Church participation can keep us busy and therefore satisfied.

Churches have many programs, events and weekly meetings that Christians are expected to attend. Our culture places a high value on busyness, so sometimes it can seem that if we are busy, it means we are living meaningful lives. This attitude has infiltrated the church. We believe that if we are busy, then we are hard at work for God at ministry.

Sometimes, however, church programs are more about keeping the internal machinery of the church going—that is, survival. When this happens, and Christians get caught up in this busyness for the survival of the church, it hinders God’s mission. We might feel satisfied that we are doing “God’s work,” but it can in fact be shaping us to be inward-oriented rather than missionally focused.

3. Church can foster a sense of dualism.

We are very good at discerning the Spirit of God in our churches, but we are more ambivalent about what it looks like to discern God’s Spirit in the world. How is God active in our neighborhoods? Where is God in our workplace? Is church ministry elevated above the call God has placed on the lives of doctors, cleaners, architects and technology consultants, for example?

Going to church can sometimes foster a sense that we are moving into, and then out of, God’s presence when we enter and leave the gatherings. This stops us from participating in God’s mission in our neighborhoods and society.

4. Going to church can make us feel safe.

Church can make us feel comfortable. On one hand, this is for meeting together as Christians. We gather to practice the habits of an alternate world, and we get a glimpse into the coming kingdom. That ought to fill us with hope, longing and comfort.

However, if we are not prepared to interact with a world that is broken and sinful, if we fail to see brokenness and sin in the church, if we stop lamenting and crying out to God for a new universe, then we are being shaped into safe, comfortable Christians who will avoid the radical call to join with God in his mission.

5. We can turn into hearers, not doers.

When we attend church, it can be a consumerist experience in which we listen and receive doctrine. This fosters a passive stance. We evangelicals love our theology, worship songs and doctrines. But what produces transformation is taking action and putting into practice what we hear on the platforms of our churches.

We become witnesses to the gospel as we embody the gospel, not merely talk about it. In this way, a watching world will point to us and say, “There is the gospel among those people. There is shalom. There is the reality of another kind of world.” An embodied apologetic is important in a world that is highly suspicious of the church today.

Am I saying that we should stop going to church? No. But I do believe that we can rethink what gathering as the people of God looks like, and the structure of our gatherings can reflect this.

The practice and structure of church gatherings must not disable our mission. The church is God’s light in the world, and it exists for the purpose of God’s mission, not for the sake of itself. When going to church becomes an end in itself, it frustrates mission.

We need to gather as the church to worship God together—but worship is always about being formed by the Holy Spirit, who sends us out on mission when we leave where we meet. That’s what makes the heartbeat of the church quicken, when it is motivated by self-sacrificing love, so that our world sees the attractive face of Christ in the people of God. As we practice the values of the reign of God, we are transformed into those who truly see and hear.

As Sarah Bessey says, “We’ll practice the ways of Jesus, over and over, until the scales fall from our eyes and our ears begin to hear.”

As God’s people, this must be the purpose of our gatherings.

Karina Kreminski is lecturer in missional studies at Morling College Sydney in Australia. Before that, she led and pastored a church for 13 years. This article was originally published on

Friday, 11 August 2017

See What you think ? II - Further clarifications of the world of "As" by Kay Fairchild

This really merits staring into.......

Kay Fairchild
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As an addendum to my last post about our never being in the first Adam, let us draw Romans 5:12,18-19 into the subject, which records: "Wherefore AS (remember what I said about the word 'as' in the last post? It was 'AS' we were in the first Adam, but always existed in Christ) by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." Again, we have the word 'as' which conveys the idea that it was AS we inherited Adam's sin and death. Now certainly, all mankind believed the lie, had mistaken identity, and therefore experienced death, but as we pointed out in the last post, it was AS we WERE in one (Adam) which we really never were in. It was a Jewish belief that man was conceived in iniquity and born in sin, not God's perception of us. Then verse 18 records: "Therefore AS by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." Another way of saying that is: "To be carnally minded IS death," which brings condemnation. If one believes himself to be in Adam he will certainly live out of a 'sense' of adamic life, and will experience the Romans 7 type of 'up and down' life. But if he will realize that 'what God does NOTHING can be added or taken away from it' according to Ecclesiastes 3:14, and that from our Father's perspective we have never been in the first Adam, then as verse 18 infers 'there will be no condemnation'. Condemnation is a heart/awareness issue rather than a 'being in Adam' reality. The Scripture says that "If our HEART condemns us, God is greater than our heart." When God came to Adam asking: "Adam, where are you?" Adam replied: "I was afraid and ashamed so I hid my SELF." Our true identity has been hidden from ourselves because of a false belief--We have hidden our self from our self, and now we must show the house to the house! Remember, the word 'sat' in Matt. 4:16 where it records that 'the people SAT in darkness'; that word 'sat' means, To seat one's self. We sat ourselves in darkness and obscurity not knowing ourselves perfectly; not because we inherited darkness from Adam's fall, but through the conditioning of our mind and religion. The reason we have sin, sickness, poverty and death in the world today is because of the individual and universal belief of good and evil. The last part of verse 18 uses the word 'shall' which again, is 'exists'. Therefore it infers that by one man's disobedience it was AS THOUGH we were in Adam because we believed we were, while all along we existed in the righteous One--Christ! That was always our Father's perspective concerning all of mankind. However, man believed the 'religious' perspective rather than the Father's perception.
Then verse 19 records: "For AS by one man's disobedience many were made sinners (Where were we alienated and enemies or made sinners? IN OUR MIND according to Col 1:21), so by the obedience of one shall ('Shall' is exists) many or all EXIST as righteous" (Paraphrased). So, in our minds we were conditioned to believe that we were alienated and enemies because of Adam's transgression, while all along we existed in/as Christ.
In order to get our Father's perspective on truth, we must begin to see the 'big picture' rather than taking several isolated verses of Scripture while trying to build a doctrine. There are many truths that convey the reality of our never having been in the first Adam. If we will listen by the Spirit we will hear the love of the Father echoing from within: "WHO TOLD YOU THAT YOU WERE NAKED AND VOID OF MY LIFE-- I NEVER TOLD YOU THAT!" Then as you hear from within, He will clothe your awareness with the quickening reality of your eternal identity! This is what Jesus paid such a tremendous price for; to reveal and bring to light the awesome reality of our eternal identity, salvation, redemption and inheritance, and to ask us who told us that we were ever in the first Adam!
These posts are available as youtube presentations and on my facebook page as well. #Kay Fairchild
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Billy Burris Thank you, Kay!
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Lynn Spinks thank you! this is soo good. but just as a point of clarification, when the verse uses 'as' and then goes on to say 'even so', doesn't that equate to the same thing? at least grammatically? I am just very cautious about taking in the full context and i...See more
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Lynn Spinks the subject there is the single act 'offense' vs. righteous act....?
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Kay Fairchild "Even so" means: In spite of that or nevertheless. So in spite of the fact that we thought we were in the first Adam and experienced condemnation as a result, nevertheless we were always in Christ.
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Jennifer Vetter-Gunter 😭♥️ I Am a blubbering MESS at this moment..
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Christina Monteil Jans Jennifer Vetter-Gunter Just read it! I'm overwhelmed!! 😳. Awesome!
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Michael Porter What a great truth and beautiful examination of that truth. You words continue to enlighten and awaken, the Spirit says amen, and I agree. Thank you for sharing
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Carol Anderson I see Adam was never in Adam either❤️ He was always in Christ.
And Adam ( mankind ) will always be in CHRIST ❤️
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Kay Fairchild His identity never changed, only in his awareness did he embrace carnality which is death. Romans records that he IS the type or figure of Him who was to come. If his identity changed it would say: Adam WAS the type or figure of He who was to come.
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Carol Anderson Amen!!!! I see that for the first time.. he was the type and figure of HE who was to come.. thank you Kay!
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Kay Fairchild Just as the prodigal remained a son of God even though his awareness took him to a place where he wasted his inheritance on riotous living, so Adam remained a son of God as far as identity was concerned.
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Carol Anderson Kay Fairchild no separation ❤️
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Lori Zwirecki Craine As it was in the beginning so shall , exist, in the end, it is finished. Some remain on detour, some by pass and live spontaneously in Christ.
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Carol Anderson Love that Lori!!!HE sees the end " from" the beginning ❤️
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John Parrish Thank you sister k
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Jimmie Donald Lewis AS He is So are we, even As just as So are we.
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Douglas Thompson I was just talking to HIM about this! Awesome
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Christina Monteil Jans This is awesome! What a revelation and confirmation! Took my breath away; rather I mean breath giving and refreshing!! 😃 Overwhelming tears! 😭
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David Williams Love it!
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Carolyn Smith This whole message is wonderful Kay - The fact that we never were in Adam is fairly new to me, & is an overflow of JOY! Glory! Thank & bless you!
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Annette Hatfield Trent Dont know why someone posted angry face icon...truth is nothing to get mad over 😊
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Carolyn Smith Annette , he is someone I know, & think he accidentally clicked the wrong button. Lol 😂
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Victoria Blanco So refreshing!!!! Thank you kay!!!!
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Andre Chaisson Amen ! We have to go back to the beginning !
We were chosen "in" Him before ; "before" the foundation of the world ! ( "before" Adam) !!!
Jesus said : " ...I am the first and the last, the beginning and the end !!! (Rev 22:13)...See more
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Joan Mayes So glad Kay I am now listen to a counselor that speaks the truth concerning our Heavenly Father!!
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Mike G. Ward Kay, that was the most informative definition of being in Adam and not being in Adam that I have ever heard I think it was marvelous and all scripture based thank you so much I enjoy reading you God bless you
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Gary Sigler Wonderful Kay
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Cecil Cockerham AWESOME, Kay!!! Doc Cecil "Your friend for life"
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Michele Martini "I was afraid and ashamed so I hid my SELF." -WOW!!! Powerful!!! Love this teaching!!!❤ Thank u, Kay!!
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John Ellis Thank You for sharing another really good one Kay.
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Mark Sullivan on Judgment

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Wow, CA(not me , some other) you are so judgmental...
As sooo many are not content with the Good News unless it includes Judgement,
I will judge still more:
Daily judgment:
I hereby judge sin's claim that you incurred a debt of unpaid wages as true and valid.
"for all have sinned
and fall short of the glory of God,"
-- Romans 3:23
"For the wages of sin is death"
-- Romans 6:24a
I further judge you as
justified from guilt of sin,
and reconciled to God
through the ransom
Jesus Christ paid sin
by dying at the Cross,
paying sin its wage,
ransoming you from
every claim of sin had
against you.
"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." --Romans 3:23-24
"the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
-- Matthew 20:28, Mark 10:45
"... God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them.
And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation."
-- 2 Corinthians 5:19
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Chris Welch It is my belief that the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin righteousness and judgment.... in a manner of shaking that which can be shaken..... yet once more will I shake the heavens and the earth.....
And the Rock remains .
I think as you have stated here judgment is a complete package judging error and reinstalling righteousness. Perhaps we are too used to human courts which are "Dumbasses".... not proactive at all.... just about a slammer/ jail.
God as the righteous Judge is about a solution... namely His own indestructible life as it says in Hebrews
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Mark Sullivan Right on!!!

Thursday, 10 August 2017

See what you think?

This is one of Kay Fairchild's most recent articles on Facebook, and I put some of my thoughts to Sylvia Pearce.

‎Chris Welch‎ to Sylvia Pearce
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Kay Fairchild wrote this and I think Andre Rabe would be more or less here.
I am kind of here but I will put my comments afterward.
I Cor. 15:22 records: "For AS in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall (The word 'shall' infers that it 'exists'. in Greek It is #5409-5411 to bear or wear as clothing or a constant accompaniment; we wear/ bear the image) all be made alive." What this verse is conveying is that we thought we were in Adam, but always existed (wore/bore His image) in and as Christ. For example, if one were going to a costume party and dresses up as a character that they really are not in real life, we would say that they went AS a certain person. We would know that the person that they went AS is not who they are. How could we exist as two people? Jesus spoke a parable and said that there would be two women grinding at the mill, one would be taken and the other left. There would be two men in a bed, one would be taken and the other left. I recall hearing teaching many years ago that stated that we are no longer an old man (of course it was taught erroneously that we were an old man, but Jesus' crucifixion killed the old man), but it was taught that since the old man is dead we still have an old woman; meaning that we had a carnal mind. We have since learned that there is only one Mind, and that is the Mind of Christ. It may look at times that we have a carnal mind, but in reality it only appears that way from appearances when we act or think carnally. Scripture records over and over that we have the Mind of Christ. The old woman concept was only a false awareness. Thank God that false idea has been taken from our awareness/thinking as Jesus said in the parable. It was taken through the proper understanding. Then the old man being taken was the false awareness that we were in Adam, and Jesus went to the Cross to take us out of Adam and put us into Himself. When a person BELIEVES himself to be in Adam he will live out of a 'sense' of adamic life, because 'as a man thinks in his heart, so is he (ruled by) in his experience'. Jesus' going to the Cross, in fact His incarnation, His life, ministry, death, burial and resurrection REVEALED that we were eternally in Him from before time began (Eph. 1:4 & II Tim.1:9). When a reality is revealed we then can fully experience and walk in that which was always true of us. Heb. 9:12 states that His blood OBTAINED eternal redemption for us. The word 'obtained' in Greek means: To see, To perceive and To find (or to discover), that which is eternal, or was always true of us where redemption is concerned.
The Jews were the ones that believed that man was conceived in iniquity and born in sin, therefore David penned those words of himself; and religion has adopted it as the reality of all mankind. That which released sin, sickness, poverty and death into the world was not what Adam did, but was the universal belief in good and evil that man believed, apart from what Adam did. We had our minds conditioned from our parents and religion. We came here knowing all things in our spirit, but were conditioned mentally. That is what Col. 1:21 records; that we were alienated and enemies IN OUR MIND. Ezekiel said, 'don't say that the fathers ate the sour grapes and it set the children's teeth on edge'. In other words, do not say that we inherited a sin nature or Adamic identity from what Adam did. That doesn't even make any 'good sense' that God would allow what someone ELSE did, to cause us to inherit death. Dt. 24:16 records: "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children; neither the children be put to death for the fathers; EVERY MAN SHALL BE PUT TO DEATH FOR HIS OWN SIN." Ezek. 18: 19-20 records: "Yet say ye, why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father (in this case Adam)? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live. THE SOUL THAT SINNETH SHALL DIE. The son shall NOT bear the iniquity of the father." The inference is that we did not inherit anything from what Adam did. Our own carnal awareness of sin which is mistaken identity, IS death.
Eccl. 7:29 records: "Lo, this only have I found, that God HATH made man UPRIGHT; but THEY have sought out many INVENTIONS." The word inventions means: To think and imagine vain imaginations. In Matt. 4:16 where it refers to the people who 'SAT in darkness', the word 'sat' means: TO SEAT ONE'S SELF. Adam didn't seat us there, we sat ourselves there by believing the lie about our identity.
Eph. 2:3 records: "Among whom also we ALL had our conversation in times past in THE LUSTS OF OUR FLESH, FULFILLING THE DESIRES OF THE FLESH (legalism) AND OF THE MIND; and were (Where?-- in our mind Col. 1:21) by nature the children of wrath, even as others." Rom. 5:19 records: "For AS by one man's disobedience many were made sinners (Where? IN THEIR MINDS according to Col. 1:21 and Eph. 2:3), so by the obedience of one shall (Meaning exists) many be made righteous." The words 'be made' infer realizing who we are-who we have been from eternity. So in other words, man believed himself to be AS one that he was not, while all along existing in/as Christ. Go figure!
My thinking goes something like this (Chris Welch)
The condition known as the world, the flesh and the devil which is a linked condition around the spirit of sin....
Daniel seems to be saying in his prophecy is that that condition, that Government, will be struck at its clay and iron feet, and the whole lot will come down.
Prophecies speak of the devil being driven off the earth.
I think its generally true that most union believers were largely evangelical in belief and like Brian Coatney and Roel Velema relate this with Jesus return.
Those of my generation felt the voice of the Holy Spirit stripping all that former belief system out mostly by the phrase in the Bible which says
Sit at my right hand UNTIL all your enemies are made your footstool....
which implies Jesus doesn't get let off the hook that easily and has to take His new Lordship position seriously, and do it all from the Throne room....
Giving Himself as it says in Ephesians as Head to the Church.
The Government is not (on earth at least) on the HEAD
it is upon His shoulders.
The traditions of man made this the Catholic church's heirarchical structure of rule in the earth. They firmly believe that their "Inquisitions", their secret orders military and religious, the CIA the FBI....all their religious wars against any "heresies" not submitted to them.....are God's rule in the earth. They are largely responsible for the slaughters in the earth either, solely or shared responsiblity. Much of the history of the Balkans comes out of their false belief system that they have the mind of Christ other people's not submitting to the Pope don't.
I say that to state they take seriously the fact that the church are involved. For me it is all an incredible Ishmael. A work of the flesh.
The Government shall be Upon His shoulders is taken I believe, though no human has told me, from the type of the mechanism by which the Ark was transported. Upon the shoulders of the Levitical priests.
Now that has become Romans 12.1 and intercession.
Christ is our first Lamb operator in the earth.
Then Paul is our greatest Biblical prototype, as well as the other apostles. One may call this
But to cut a long story short
Just as Goliath was no more and Israelites didnt have to do their daily line up.
just as the Hittites and Jesbusites and so on DID get driven from Canaan
so....Daniel says.....the whole of the Beast system is going tobe driven BY THE ROCK into oblivion.
Now imagine what Kay is writing about in such a scenario.
Imagine a world where
the knowledge of the glory of the Lord covers the earth as the waters cover the sea
imagine a world where we know that there is only One sole source of living....
it's surely going to be more like what Kay is writing.
As our identity is spirit and not soul or thinking or feelings....
I believe Kay is wrong.
I believe certainly at present we NEED to be born again
we NEED to have our false identity at spirit level kicked out of us, we need to be born again from on high.
This doesn't make sin any more a real existence.
Satan's entire false delusion that he can be a god in his own right and run his own reality is totally bogus....well it's real...but it includes theft, lies and murder to try and cover tracks....
it's cobbled together
it's manipulated
it's clunky....
More and more as we see with a single eye we will see everything God does is totally alive and organic and develops out of itself....
everything the devil does is cobbled together like Frankenstein's monster
like Tussauds waxworks
it LOOKS real, it has the apparence of being real....
but its as dead as a door nail.
I think Kay is seeing the authentic as being from the beginning in God, but it's like she sees evil purely as wrong thinking.
Well you can easily get someone to change their wrong thinking
that 3 plus 14 plus 56 is not 79
but by demonstration 73.....
but as we all know engaging somebody about the independent self or some aspect of behaviour caused by it.....
you are entering a bear pit....
you really are engaging in Ephesians 6 spirit warfare....
it's not just whoop de doo changing your thinking.
It really is like third world war....and who knows may yet turn out to be what it's about......
Anyway my thoughts.
Kay's teachings and Andre's teachings are gathering pace , so they'd better be right or people are going to be disappointed if their newly built houses crash in storms.

What's so big about the Dark?

Just heard someone preaching on God Channel......saying if you see the Dark....that's observation....we must see the Light.
I really believe this is a secondlevel rally call to faith , to those who are discouraged.
But can you step up one level?

To the level where your spiritual and heart hearing is circumcised, feel and perceive Light and Dark intensely....without freaking out in terror.....
There was nothing good in the immediate future for Jesus in gethsemane...but he stared it down....he stared everything he saw down and sweated great drops of blood.
Actually Philippians says for the joy before Him He endured the Cross
despised the shame.
Those are the two main forces internal and external.
It's seeing the Dark as it is but seeing the greater God.
We know now from the Bible all manner of God coming through
Build it yourself...the Noah deliverance
Speak to it yourself the most common Moses technique
Walk round it....The Jericho technique
Losing your son and God NOT answering....David and his fast, then surprising everybody and dressing immediately and getting back on course straight after when God dint answer his prayer
The Jesus deliverance through relocation in Egypt
The Jesus deliverance walking through all his home town people as they tried to kill him
The case when James wasn't delivered....the first martyr
The case when Peter and then later Paul was delivered from jail with attending angels or not, but thunder....
Jesus said....don't fear him who have power over the body
Face terror down
In the Old testament Heth means terror. Thats the meaning of the Hittites....sons of terror.
Also don't give me that garbage about observable Darkness...
Thats not what we have to worry about....
it's the Darkness in the bushes that Gideons 300 were looking for
It's the truth about the conspiracies emanating out of Psalm 2 and the devils notion that he wants Jerusalem for himself.
Very very very few charismatics ever attended Barry Smith and Grant Jeffrey don't give me that rubbush about you being prepared.
God builds characters over their lifetime especially to warn the people of God and be prepared for utter rejection. David Wilkerson. Basilea Schlink.
Don't now try to tell you me were didn't want to hear a word of what God's servants were saying.
God prepares servants to feed the Word of Christ and He prepares those with natural answers and supplies, and He cares about our futures so much He sends servants in ahead of time.
Jews openly admit now that God sent in so many people warning Jews to get out of Germany. They have no excuse.
The only Armenians on the planet are those who heard the prophecy of the boy in the Pentecostal church and fled.
The Kaiser and the Turks killed all the rest in 1915.
We engage with reality as it is, not the fluffy thing we want it to be. The world hasn't really changed. The devil is the same devil....roaring around yes....but he will try to take power over where he can.

It's seeing the Dark as it is but seeing the greater God.

Wednesday, 9 August 2017

Why the perfect has come does not imply Cessationism.

A reply about why the perfect has come does not mean cessationism

The perfect has come refers both to the full nature of what Christ has completed,
Ofcourse the nature of our spirit DNA in being now literally
Hidden or Greek intertwined or layered with Christ in God. There are not two people an old or a new.
But fully come, like any materialisation process involves our bodies.
Just as it took Adam 900 years to die in the first place.
Paul fully expected resurrection from the dead. It was within his gospel.
Every bit of the New Testament is in alignment with the victory of the Cross.
But if en route you shortcircuit Gids work by suddenly declaring
Not by might not by power but by my Spirit says the Lord is an Old Testament scripture under the old covenant and now it's all about sitting and studying " the perfect has come " Bible.....
Well you will soon realise that you cannot match up verses like
I came to you in fear and trembling wanting to see only the power of God among you
Power as we know from repeated history after history, wave after wave, and the Bible itself in revelation and Paul's own conversion
The power hits a gathering and many if not all are falling to the floor too weak to stand.
In Revelation the Angel has to keep supporting John.
And the elders seem to have spent their whole time interceding and crying holy is the Lord and either bowing down or falling over.
When the power of God is moving as Jesus said, it is often manifesting as the Presence if God to heal....
It's like a wave. You pray for everybody and they get healed.
Similarly there can be waves of specific types of healing or deliverance as the spirits behind those conditions are confronted.
Or the worship can rise to staggering levels then declarations be made over families over wrongdoing.
We had years of one man terrorising the northern part of Britain. The Yorkshire Ripper then mocking the police by phoning them after killing yet one more. Obviously phone tapping wasn't what it is now.
But one incredible time if worship the Lord made it plain that this was the time so led us in a declaration that he would be stopped in his tracks.
I forget the details whether it had been 5 years 3 years or what but within hours or perhaps two days he was banged up in prison.
I have story after story of examples from the church I was in.
Things like Jesus praying and at that instant the centurions boy was healed in a totally different place.
The gospel is the power of God unto salvation.
God comes in power 1 John 2 to save us out of our sins impressing the Blood upon us
In the young man stage he leads us in the baptism of the Spirit and real world victories
As we enter the Father level via Romans 6 and 7 God brings us low to strip every last bit of Genesis 3 consciousness then His power raises us in all of our life here to be able to show forth the praises of God.
It's all real world power
without which we would genuinely be stuffed....

This is the gospel that we preach not just intellectual table tennis.

Tuesday, 8 August 2017

Push Button Priesthood

Not what you think, this Facebook post. This is about the new energetic priesthood that works proactively to materialise the Kingdom
Paul's" set your mind not on the flesh for that is death set your mind on the Spirit for that is life and peace "
Madame Guyon's do not fight your conscious thinking just lay it gently in the back burner as you focus centrally on God His attributes and character, for the mind is like a serving butler having to learn it is not Lord of the house.
Me going on about the leftbrain frontal cortex.
School learning produces this incredibly authoratitive voice in newly broken registers.
Psychologists doctors scientists learned men of letters speak with incredible authority about " the usual things that occur"
We are swayed.
But all they are doing is quoting back to us facts about what usually works pretty much like clockwork
As we live from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil, according to an unwinding universe, according to the laws of sin and judgment, according to natural seasons and times and boundaries set in place.....
So while the schoolmaster is leading us to Christ, we know roughly what is expected, and we don't get too damaged by gravity, by momentum, by laws of cause and effect. So leftbrains give what they assume to be absolutely immutable laws....
Then comes karma or whatever the people call it
Acting in the laws of eternal supply
Give and it shall be given you
Fast/ don't eat in order to concentrate prayer and spirit
Prophesy and declare things by the Spirit
Get baptised in the Spirit
Gather as a church for a period of time in the genuine Name of Jesus.... and as Gerry Andersons Stingray programme announced
ACTION STATIONS!!!! Anything could happen and probably will in the next half hour
People getting straight in relationships as both sides come into intimacy with the Heavenly Father
Machinery just starting up again of its own accord ( read Mary Sisters Realities book Darmstadt Frankfurt
The Holy Spirit poured sovereignly over our teenage generation just about the time " these authoratitive leftbrain know it alls had announced in the World Council if Churches 1966 Congress, that with all likelihood Marxism would have taken over by 1990 and there would not be a church or Christianity.....
And right on cue in 1989 and 90, the whole of the Iron Curtain falls instead.
Very similar by the way to Voltaire's proud declaration through the Deist Move. "100 years from my death the Bible will cease to be read!!!"
100 years from Voltaires death to the day, Voltaires house was a Bible publishers!!!!!
But the five measuring senses don't do the Kingdom as it comes....
As it materialises...
For that you need to be born of the Spirit to see the Kingdom
You need to be baptised in the Spirit to operate the Kingdom
We are drivers
Press button operators
The posher phrase is kings and priests
We are a regenerated race of them.
Denominational people mostly aren't because they were never told you can experience being born again and being Spirit filled.
I was 12 years in a METHODIST church without hearing the gospel more than once from a travelling bunch from Cliff College.
But no the leftbrain can't handle give and it shall be given you, nor that the universe is set up for abundance and not death,
Nor can it handle
" whatsoever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven and whatsoever you loose on earth shall have already been loosed in heaven.
So what are you going to believe
rather a stiff jumped up over primped little shrivel of a leftbrain front cortex spoken through someone's lips like it's total truth....
Or the Person who set everything up, and even micromanaged the second temporary state of the law of sin and judgment, of a universe subject to vanity?

Thursday, 3 August 2017

Prayer, Healing and Body Fussing

Testimony through Facebook
Roger Webb
19 hrs ·
July 19, 2017

July 19, 2017 I ministered in Clermont, Florida and a dear woman and her husband drove over 2 hours to come to the miracle service. As I laid hands on her she was slain in the Spirit. After being there for a while shaking under the power of God she got up and I asked her how she felt and her response was "I feel wonderful and I feel like I can run" Then all of a sudden she took off running laps around the church which it is a big sanctuary seats 1,400. She returned to her doctors a couple days later to find all cancer had left her body. Here is her husbands own words in a testimony he sent me today Aug 2, 17

Here is Chris Shaheen own words...
Happy to report that my wife Bonnie Shaheen who was prayed for on June 19th at Roger's service in Clermont was totally healed of stage 4 colon cancer which had spread to her lung and her liver and was stage 4 in those areas as well. To this day she has been free of all symptoms which were present when we arrived at the service, severe coughing, lack of breath, inability to eat, lost 40lbs in 6 months, unable to walk more than 100 ft without resting. I witnessed these symptoms first hand over the 6 months from December 2016 through June 2017. I know that today, in her own words, she said that she is in the best physical shape she has been in since her twenties. Don't tell me cancer is a death sentence! It was just like every other trick and lie of the devil when it came face to face with God's truth - it had to flee! I am grateful that my son-in-law Nick Rimert was bold enough to share with us what the Lord spoke to him about how and when and where my wife would be healed. He had to obey what God told him and act on it. We then had to believe he had heard from God and act on what he shared. This is the body of Christ in action, and the devil still has not figured out how to deal with that!

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever. #preacherinthewild

Chris Welch continues

Jesus said don't be like the Gentiles heaping up prayers.
Do you get that?
This is how outsiders pray.
This is how young born again people pray.
This is how charismatic people pray....
The one is a pattern of orphanhood jumping through hoops to make the universe run the way it thinks the universe should go. This is none the more subtle than in areas of the Tree of Good
like healing....Norman Grubb calls it body fussing
like debt
like bad relationships
like joblessness....
we think in separation
as alone people
somehow trying to get through to a distant God....
Satan USES the negative to leverage us into that thinking and stay there.....
HAH....see that cancer...God has abandoned you
HAH see that person in your family not talking to you what kindof a relation are you?
Hah see you never could hold down a job
And CHALLENGED in our that doubt....
we start heaping up things faster and faster to get out of it....
fasting, praying, giving to this giving to that
lighting candles
the charismatic equivalent : rattling off in tongues like motorbike
if i can just get enough prayer in
If i can just shoehorn enough into this creation maybe i can tip the balance
If i just rub Aladdin's Lamp enough.....

We had a cancer victim in Havant Church. By the Spirit I was led to do what I often do here....
Launched into this
" And so what if you do die?"
"Say the worst happens and you do in fact die?"
Now humanly this isn't what the London school of Diplomats would advise.....but they don't walk in Jesus Christ.
You see, right there, right there before we could even consider praying....sitting right over her eyelids, squatting right over her shoulders like a foul green Jabba the Hutt
was a son of Heth demon.
Heth or Hittites means terror.
How on earth you can pray sensibly about anything with jabba the Hutt pressing his slimy green fingers all over your ears????
So I addressed her worst fear and said in the same spirit that Jesus talked when he said
Don't fear the one who has power over your body (or Death) fear Him who is absolute Lord and has power over the second Death.
God has created this universe with a safe bubble...two deaths.
Satan only had one death in when he chose his own way he was flung out.
Our central respect preoccupation yes FEAR if you like, but in the clean Holy Spirit sense, has to be the LORD of LORDS.
"So if you die, the worst ever thing that will happen to you is that you will be with Jesus
and ever
and ever
and ever.....
and ever
and ever
and get the picture

Sadly the Jabba the Hutt over her ears twisted this whole thing to:
"You are condemning me to death."
I saw her 6 weeks later at a church barbecue and she accused me of cursing her life....
(Once the fear had gone, we could have reached her....but she chose Jabba the Hutt instead)
No matter all the prayer that went up at her bedside, and I firmly wasn't allowed near....
She died. And her husband still blames me.

We don't pray like Gentiles.
We go into our inner Room and get a glimpse from heaven's throne about what is next on earth. Then we try to get a fix on where our particular situation and need fits in or doesn't to the whole picture.
Then we COMMAND< speak into being as sons of God from that "seeing"
that "advance viewing" of which bit of heaven is to be exported to earth's Kingdom building site next.
Now en route there are all kinds of things....
Lets take cancers.....

Right now they are developing genetic manipulation and the use of our very own DNA to cure cancer.
Several decades ago the pharmaceutical companies already had the solutions to all or most cancers....but they weren't going to make them enough money, so the tremendous wait,the tremendous energy to raise money through cancer charities, has been all about developing expensive bespoke treatments that will save the phamaceutical companies from almost certain ruin if cancer is not there in their business model.

Naturopathy is simply natural solutions to boosting the bodies natural "policing " of rogue cells or immunity. And 80% goes on in our own guts if they are healthy.
Hence lacto fermentation which sensible communities unlike England have been practicing with yogurts and kombucha and kimchi for thousands of years. Bit it makes Big Pharma no money whatsoever.

Jesus ascended and gave gifts unto men.
Some are transient.
Some are like ministries
Some people in the Body of Christ just have a high rate of success with cancers or particular strains
As when Jesus was here, the Spirit does "waves of healing" in church and outside using His people.
Really this is the Holy Spirit going behind the scenes, behind creation where demon spirits are tweaking things, and he is pressing the reset button !!!!
This happens a lot when there are experiences of "Open Heaven" in a revival or over a geographical area.
But God is about whole of Life.

I may be walking in Galatians 2.20 believing....but I am still obviously I am missing the mark. Chima Tasie Freeman referred to that the other day.
Am I panicking. Am I going to feverishly do some fad diet by my "works"? Nope.....but God is increasing wisdom quite naturally about what to eat and how.
We don't heap things up anymore....
Our whole lifestyle and modus operandi is
what Buddhists call centering down....
well we center down not to an ALONE I in the Universe
Not to an impersonal force or power
we enter our inner room and find a lovely fusion of our heavenly Dad there and my life hidden in Him.
It's a whole different way of living and praying
And no....apart from that I can't give you a
10 steps to the perfect prayer life....
because we are nolonger in that Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil and "steps" to this and that....
we are connected through the death and resurrection of Jesus to God

Alarming statistic by Roger Webb on Facebook... ROCHESTER, Minn. — Nearly 70 percent of Americans are on at least one prescription drug, and more than half take two, Mayo Clinic and Olmsted Medical Center researchers say. Antibiotics, antidepressants and painkilling opioids are most commonly prescribed, their study found.Jun 19, 2013.
Now see why many do not attend miracle services. I have found many like their drugs and monthly checks. They get healed (then)something has to change. #preacherinthewild

More Nourishment .....

Lorna Souza on Facebook through Caroline Dalton Just a recommendation. Get a book called Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon. It is my healthy eating food bible! I literally have the whole book tabbed, that I made and laminated myself,just like a bible. I suggest Celtic salt over a Himalayan. High mineral content. Wet, grey salt. Will not raise blood pressure

From the Introduction to the Salt Fix
Consider Scandinavian Novelist Isaak Dinesens Famous line :

"The Cure for anything is salt:
sweat, tears or the sea."

Monday, 31 July 2017

Changes and The Old and New Covenants

A couple of small multi parter series on Facebook

Changes I
In the 60s John Lennon and Bob Dylan were moving the whole world away from the little Box 1 "socialisation" stage of psychological development.....our first understanding that authorities and infrastructures need obeying in order that society works, but on its own has a tendency to produce filing clerks, rather robotic individuals and middle manager-types, all submitting to the patronising voice of Pathe News. remember that? Or if not Harry Enfield's take off?
Well in the 90s we got more of a clarification of earlier psychological work done at MIT and other places in the 60s, and the term IQ now had a twin - EQ.
What had been vague and fuzzy before....ART and philosophy and LETTERS, now could be articulated enough that schooling now be graded into "what we know and our ability to learn IQ" and "how we relate and mature as fully rounded persons" EQ
For threequarters of us....Matthew Mark and Lukes....they have weathered these discoveries without batting an eyelid.
For one quarter of us JOHNS....we started to live and breathe!!!!
There weren't any options for us if we weren't famous. Society didn't know what we were for, so they humoured us and generally found us some humdrum job that had nothing to do with our personality traits or gifting. I stepped sideways and became a piano tuner.....which isn't quite withdrawing....but it's darned better than a filing clerk!!!!!

Changes II
Nearly everything on the planet is now more balance brained.
One Last main area is outstanding
here are two points.
Firstly in its favour, LAW has to be complicated and sentences constructed in incredibly precise ways with very little punctuation but spelling out the truth from many angles....
IN ORDER that it prevent people subvertiing LAWS.
Second point not in its favour...well a series but based on the leftbrain.
Law as regards you, the individual, is a fiction.
The fiction is based upon a fictive character that your parents signed up to on your birth certificate constructed in capital letters.
When they agreed to "understand"
They were signing you to "stand under" the new corporate and bankable commodity known as YOUR NAME in capital letters.
So many things could be said here....but the YOU addressed in court is not the real you.
They have to get you responding in the leftbrain.
So many court cases are won and lost on this simple trick
Mr SO and So.....just answer yes and no.
But many times the answer isn't yes and no and would make perfect sense if you were allowed out of the binary nonsense of the Court . This is an extreme, but often worked trick.
Not only do they force you into leftbrain fiction land
they do this in the name of the Crown, but the Crown isn't who you think it is.
The Crown is not the Queen.
The Crown is the catholic Church's imagination of Jesus Christ ruling and reigning.
Via who they call His sub agents
The Black Pope
The Jesuits
The order of Malta
The Pope
The Queen of England
Her agent representatives Barristers and Lawyers and Court underlings, both here and USA.
Every USA Barrister is signed off from accountability to US Sovereignty and is serving the Queen
Now Jesus Christ DOES rule and reign but the Bible declares how, and there is not one reference to an "organisational body or infrastructure" anywhere.
He rules directly only those hearts willingly submitted to Him
He rules otherwise Proverbs 1 indicates, by setting up an order that doesn't work properly outside of people living IN GOD.
That's why Romans 8 says the whole of Creation is waiting for the sons of God to come into their inheritance....
While people are messing around trying to function outside of the realms of His saving power we get the stupid order we see around us which is the Schoolmaster equipped with cane to bring us to Christ....
Namely the whole Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil existence
which is almost universally underpinned by a very LEGAL but stupid as a donkey LAW realm.
We leave that Law realm as soon as we speak from the heart humans
So the lawcourts are still fashioned to keep you leftbrain locked

Old Covenant and New Covenant 1
If you look into any secret society they are a mirror of what is in this status. The irony is now that the secret societies know this stuff, but nobody in churches does.....FOR WHOM IT WAS INTENTIONED.
Jews, many of whom are on Facebook, to this day will regale you with Moses :Law.
Its what they understand. It's a kind of "super" version of what every human goes through from the time they are born to the first stage of maturity. Socialisation.Obeying parents schoolteachers, , policemen,politicians, royalty and military.
The Torah.
God was preparing a people for Himself. He had found for himself the most incredible consecutive family that had sought His Name for three straight generations. God was pleased to say "I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He will abbreviate that to I am the God of Abraham, but otherwise it's all three. Why? Because to have the whole package that you can reasonably pass on requires three STAGES of revelation.
But the ONE FAMILY was then rolled out as a nation from one big family.
But in NATION FORM, as I say, they only really got to Box 1.
To the outer courts of the Tabernacle.
Others went in for them.
Then Jesus came....and in the next status we will learn why?

Old Covenant and New Covenant II
Why did the Jews "Miss" Jesus?
They were there in the tabernacle areas of God. No other nation was. If anybody should have been ready for God's own Son, surely they would?
Well yes and no. And some were ready.
But here is the thing about Box 1.
Box 1 or outer tabernacle courts people maybe expecting a Messiah but think about it?
A Box 1 conforming type
who looks to others to "go up for him"
and for whom God is an out there Policeman of the Universe
is going to find Jesus Message difficult and most did.
Beginning with Himself in Jordan River (and John wondered what on earth he was doing baptising Him since he was without sin)
and onto Matthew 5 Jesus begins to describe what a race of priests looks like.
Jesus message is to take this Outer courts people initially by way of a Holy Place or 1st covered area of the Tabernacle into being a race of Kings and Priests.
And notice He was doing this mostly without a synagogue to be seen, in and around the shores of Galilee. So Jesus was moving them beyond the stones and buildings form of priesthood into being the real thing.
But if your mindset is a Box 1 socialisation mindset
If your idea of God is out there or God in a stone box with priests who are other than you going up for you.....
You are going to have great problems with your Messiah....if He turned up
And Jesus did turn up.
So what were all the miracles about? On to Part III

Old Covenant and New Covenant 1II

If you are leftbrain
If you are somewhat leftbrain locked
If you are in the socialisation stage and
doing your job faithfully, to earn money, to pay for food to supply your family then taking the family to the synagogue or festivals....
the quickest way a Messiah can break into your neat little "cause and effect " life and begin to introduce you to a whole new life of "flow" as the later 60s hippies called it.....
is to introduce you to the third member of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit and His gifting.
Jesus even instructed them on the gospel they were to preach:
be baptised in water
and be filled with the Holy Spirit : implication.....first day stuff.
He healed the sick and taught his disciples to heal the sick and perform other miracles.
This is a huge risk because the disciples don't know who they are yet,,,,
they still think of themselves according to Genesis autonomous gods in their own rights....
how dangerous is that?
But Jesus does this to blast them out of their leftbrain locked, socialisation oriented, "working for your salvation" existence....
Into the Truth.....the truth that life is NOT
Arbeit Macht Frei
Be good and Santa will give you presents
but that life is BY FAITH, and the Faith of the Son of God....
but they don't know that yet.
Jesus also PUSHES THEM to break out of their mindsets by sending them out early first as the 12 then as the 70
WITHOUT MONEY....with only one set of clothes and they were to report back.
But this, and all the teaching on
see the flowers and birds....the father clothes and feeds them
and Give and it shall be given you.....which also from a cause and effect point of view doesn't make direct sense.....
ALL THIS was to blast them out of mere socialisation living....out of dutiful leftbrain locked tree of the knowledge of good and evil living.....
to position them for learning the true Kingdom.
But we are not there yet at BOX 3
All this was to blast people out of Box 1 into Box 2 so there, in that Place they could learn what was necessary to be blasted into the 1 John 2 Father stage or Box 3.
When Jesus says I am the Way He means you to go down it
to suck it and see
which leads to the real Truth that you can't even enter into if you haven't left Box 1.....
once you are experimenting with the freefall of faith in Box 2
you are now actually into the lecture theatre proper where you can learn the real lessons
to prepare for Box 3.
Now you can do some of this in Darkness, getting yourself demonised instead, until you reach the point of total possession.
This article is written on the understanding that you don't want to destroy your life now and in the life to come.