Tuesday 31 May 2016

And then the end shall come

We don't generally refer to flowers as corms or stalks, it's the flowers of the plant that hold our interest.
There's the preaching to individual hearts and neighbourhoods. This has greatly expanded through satellite TV.....except we are not always keen on the foundation it's coming from. No matter as Paul said, at least Jesus is being preached. But Ecclesiastes shows something else too. It shows one man exhausting all the avenues in his quest. The Bible isn't that conclusive on Solomon's.life. The Muslims oral tradition is that Solomon DID chase after women who led him into the deep things of Satan, deep magic, but they say he returned even from there. Bit of a Faustian story going on. The five different possibilities that a man can explore, and remember I usually ignore the first. The first is that thuggish totally selfish world.view of someone that never really really experiences weaning......everything centres still.around them and what they perceive are their needs. The grand narcissist but without even the veneer of.being civil. Then there's the socialised stage where a lot of the edges have been hammered by external authority infrastructures ....parents family school police or.worse prison.....Or our work life.....Or.real.responsibilities when we have our own family and facing down our own very real bottom lines.....and either meeting them or failing. But at some point the sociologists say we break out from even this robotic form of going through the motions to beginning to function from our.insides. But we need a certain space to experiment, to be ourselves ,to enter the Freefall of our inner understanding of things. At which point we begin to learn the esoteric truths......that in fact I am an interior me. That all is spirit. That I have to choose deep down from only two spirits. This is initially fuzzy and in its first form outside of Christ we only may see one form of.spirit within a new Age or esoteric Order blueprint. But it becomes really alarming when we see what we are drawing into ourselves. So.we must go right right down to the foundations of being in our very basement. To what Jesus calls living on the Rock, the immovable, the Eternal, God the Father, the sole pure source who is ONLY GOODNESS BRINGING FORTH GOODNESS,BEARING GOODNESS IN OUR BEING. The esoteric moves and bodies state that they are doing this. Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Gurdjieff, Rudolf Steiner, David Spangler, Lucis Trust and the United Nations may be convinced that they are about this task. But they are deceived because they love Lucifer, and he has convinced them he is an angel of Light.....but at root he has always been a liar, a destroyer, a detestor of human beings having no understanding of God living the way of the Cross in real time in man.
So what I am saying is, yes there is preaching , trying to catch man in his tracks before he finds out the inevitable for himself anyway.....that there is Only One Way.....and it isn't the broad road.....it's a very very narrow road.....because it is IN CHRIST ALONE AND WHAT HE IS DOING. HIS STORY. Psalm 85 is about many people finding this for themselves through history. When God.says in frustration to the Israelites
Surely as truly as I live all the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of my glory as the waters cover the sea.......He is.speaking yes as one who can see the end from the beginning.....but He is speaking as a Father who.can see his kids having to try everything out.....but like any parent knowing that the fixed order of things is that people grow into parenthood.....into more.wisdom. But unlike the human level of.fatherhood psalm 85 speaks in complete terms......Or righteousness and the finished experiential work of Christ and the New.Covenant springing up.from the earth. Acts 2 was a prototype. There were Jews from all over the world that day. God wasn't biting His fingernails thinking......oooh I.wonder if people will like the message Peter speaks......Will he be able to.persuade any of them by oratory...? God never left it to Peter. Righteousness was popping up.from the ground. People.were.rolling around behaving drunk. They were speaking praises in all the then known languages. The love, the extraordinary agape of God was oozing from every pore. Peter was just explaining what was going on. Preaching is good...
But what God is doing through man's Faustian walk through history is better...
The experiential knowledge and breakdown of man in Romans 7 terms that there is nowhere else.we.can go.......that there is only one Rock on which we can build our lives......Righteousness and peace from below.and on high kissing themselves quite naturally because it is an internal spontaneous discovery and not some imposed Commandment of.stone from on high.
That's why Satan hates revivals. That's why he hates the 9th Gate of Jerusalem.....the Open House Gate.....the Eastern Gate....the come in and look round Gate..... the Part of the Third Jewish Feast of Tabernacles that is the Feast of.In Gathering....
Think flowers in full bloom. Now this is but one stage in a plants life through the seasons of the year but no one calls his plants anything else. Are they stalks? Are they called corms? Hey Christine I am just off to the corm centre. I am just off to the stalk shop.
No....we call them flowers because of this.one brief period in the plants life. Same with revival. Same with the end of Psalm 85. Same with the whole point of history.
And when THIS KINGDOM is preached in the whole earth then shall the end come. Which Kingdom? The agape Kingdom Life of 12 completely disparate people living hook by jowl with Jesus Christ for 3 and a half years non-stop. Which Kingdom? The Kingdom of all cultures inundated with God Holy Spirit Agape being simultaneously and spontaneously manifest on the Day of Acts in some type.of.Psalm 85 explosion!!!! THAT KINGDOM. THOSE FLOWERS!!!-.

Friday 27 May 2016

George H Warnock 1917-2016 Terry Miller and others and in George's own words

Chris Welch writes....I only heard about this through Doug Alexander on Facebook. Thanks Doug.

RIP #GeorgeWarnock -- a significant passing yesterday (5.25.16) at 98 y/o. I learned so much from his writings. A true feast for the spirit.
They set a template in my Spirit that can't be removed. More than instruction... I was fathered by this faithful scribe's pen into the true spirit of sonship. Have read his classic FEAST OF TABERNACLES several times. Double honor to your humble servant dear Lord.

Feast of Tabernacles Ministries posted:
I just found out that a grandfather of the faith, George Warnock, has passed into glory at over 98 years old. Here was a man who, like Simeon, waited patiently for decades to see the light to lighten the Gentiles and the glory of Israel, which he was shown many years ago. He was a teacher, an author of 14 amazing books (available for free - see http://www.georgewarnock.com/, a father of 7 children, and an inspiration to me. I was blessed to travel to his beautiful home in Cranbrook, British Columbia, Canada twice - once in September 2001 (shortly before 9/11) and again in 2003, with Wendy. George's wife of 55 years passed into glory 4-1/2 years ago, and now he has followed. Truly, with long life he was satisfied and shown the LORD's salvation. He is survived by 7 children, 19 grandchildren, 5 great-grandchildren, and hundreds if not thousands who grew in their faith through his faith and teaching gift. Rest in peace, man of God.

Robert D Torango:
"Another Pioneer has been called home at age 98. Bro. George Warnock whose book, The Feast of Tabernacles, should be requisite reading for all seeking deeper truth about the Kingdom of God.

Terry Crisp:
Just learned that a brother who has influenced multitudes (including myself) through the profundity of his writings has passed from this realm to the next. George Warnock, author of the book, “The Feast of Tabernacles,” was called home Monday at the age of 98. What a humble servant of God he was!

Elwin Roach:
"Our Canadian friend and sojourner in Christ, Terry Miller, sent a notice of the passing of of George Warnock, author of “The Feast of Tabernacles,” “Hyssop That Springeth Out of The Wall,” and many more books. He was certainly one of the pioneers of today’s present truth who impacted the body of Christ in a mighty way.

Br. George H. Warnock, who was called home yesterday at the age of 98, "received" the following poem in the early years of this Move of the Spirit. He said, "I awakened one morning with these words running through my mind..."


Just content to be a son
With no ambition to succeed
In realms of earth, and have no need
Of popularity's acclaim,
Or purchase for myself a name
In serving Christ; for He must be
The Lord throughout eternity.
To see His face and hear His voice,
And do His bidding is my choice.

Just content to be a son,
A son of God without a home,
To stay, or go, or wait, or roam...
Hither and yon without a plan,
Led of the Spirit, not of man.
I'll have no monument of praise,
But I'll have peace in God's own ways;
And though I tread this earthly sod,
I'll walk with Him, I live in God.

Just content to be a son,
Misunderstood, and yet I know
The path I take shall overflow
With life abundant and with grace,
I only need to run the race
With patience, waiting, seeing Him...
Hearing the still small voice within.
If others want the earth to quake...
I'll hear His voice when I awake.

Just content to be a son,
No words to say... but what He says;
No work to do... but what He does;
No fear or worry, anxious care,
I live with Him, His yoke I share...
No name to make, He writes His own
Upon the heart's pure glistening stone;
No life to live, I lay it down,
I'll share His cross... and live again.


Submitted by Br. Terry Miller,
Travelling Deacon

Official website

A Brief Outline of My Life   George H Warnock taken from his website

I was born on September 22, 1917 - to my parents, David Edmond Warnock and Alice Pearl (McCann) Warnock, who lived in North Battleford, Saskatchewan, Canada. I was the third of five children. A younger sister passed away a few years ago, my older brother and sister are still living as well as a younger sister. Our father was a carpenter in that town. We lived in a small home on the outskirts. Being the son of a carpenter, it was not unusual that I learned the trade early. For reasons I had not planned, I also took up the trade. I remained a carpenter during most of my life, after my school days.

As children we had a good Christian upbringing, for which we are all very grateful. We learned about Jesus as soon as we could talk. As we grew older, we knew that we must, as individuals, come to know the Lord personally and surrender our lives to Him. We all came to the Lord early in life. I think I may have held out longer than any of the others. I was 19 when I made a public stand for Christ. Almost instantly I had the assurance that I was "saved." The joy of having this assurance flooded my heart. Within the next 10 days or so I was baptized in water in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Before this, I read the New Testament all the way through (except for a couple of chapters at the end of the Book of Revelation) just to make sure that this was the way the disciples baptized their converts.

In our small town there were a lot of churches…but many people longed for a greater reality than they had discovered, and would not hesitate to leave one church to attend another, as they sought for the "better way." Our folks were of that mind, and I can recall in those first 20 years of my life, having attended many different churches: Pentecostal, Nazarene, Holiness Movement, Christian and Missionary Alliance, Salvation Army, Four Square Gospel, Apostolic Church of Pentecost- and often we were involved with an Independent church group. Our folks were never denominationally minded, and none of us grew up with the thought: "My church is the right church."

Eventually our whole family moved to Vancouver. My brother was the first to do that, to attend a Bible School in that city. Then later the rest of us moved there - and our family was together again. I worked with dad quite a bit…as finding a job was not easy in those days. Then came World War II, and being in good health, it was inevitable that I would be called up. In the meantime I had been called before a committee that was appointed to decide whether or not one’s claim as a conscientious objector was valid. Because I had no affiliation with a church background that resisted going to war, there was no place for me as an "objector." I had total peace in the decision I had made: I would not kill my fellow-men, nor would I undergo military training to learn how to do so.

In due course I received my order (along with a ticket) to report at the army training center in Victoria, on November 22, 1940. I wrote them a respectful, but firm, letter explaining why I would not be there on the appointed day. I closed my letter with a statement something like this: "When I received the Lord Jesus into my life, I determined to follow Him the rest of my life, regardless of the consequences." I didn’t go into hiding. They had my address and I expected I would be "picked up" almost any day. But for some reason I heard nothing from them for several months. Then I got my notice to report for Alternative Service in a forestry camp... set up to handle COs of many denominations. They were mostly Mennonites, but there were several from other backgrounds: Seventh Day Adventists, Christadelphian, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Hutterites, Brethren, and "Independents." We were in camp four months, released for a short season, and then sent to other work camps, or forestry camps, for the duration of the war. We did not know what to expect until we got to one of those camps. They were civilian camps managed by one or two foremen - some of whom were veterans of World War l. We had no armed guards, nor were we kept in fenced compounds. We were detained on our honor, were required to put in an 8-hour workday, with weekends off. We were treated well and respected by our foremen. (At least this is the way it was in the camps I was in.) Later some of us were given the option of going to one of those isolated places where industries found it difficult to keep the crew they needed, as men could almost pick and choose the job they wanted. I volunteered for one of these, and was sent to Pacific Lime Company on Texada Island, a few miles west of the mainland of British Columbia. We remained under Alternative Service regulations…but worked along with the employees in the plant. The company was not subsidized by our cheap labor ($25. per month plus board). They were required to pay the going wage, we received the $25, and board allowance, and after taxes and other deductions -- the net balance was sent to the Red Cross Society. For a short while I fired one of those large furnaces with cordwood, that burnt the limerock into lime. Then I was taken into the office as Timekeeper, and later when the local accountant at the plant resigned, I took his job. We had freedom to gather for church services, and I met with a group comprised mostly of Mennonites who knew the Lord, and some other evangelicals…Brethren, Baptist, Pentecostal…or Independents. I also had freedom to share with them from time to time, and we had some good times of fellowship. We remained under the Alternative Service jurisdiction for several months after the War ended, and were then finally released in August, 1946.

From early childhood I had only one thought in mind, as to how I would spend my life, and that was to become involved in the work of the Gospel. I think the fact that I was raised up almost from death, had much to do with the thought I had: did God raise me up for a purpose? I was around 5 years old when I came as close to death as one could come…with pneumonia and other complications. Finally one day my dad took my sister by the hand and they walked down to the Canadian National railway station and dad sent a telegram to his mother-in-law (my maternal grandma): "Please pray for Georgie, he is almost gone." My grandmother was "baptized with the Holy Ghost and Fire"…as I often heard her say years later. It happened in the great Pentecostal revival that swept through Winnipeg, in the early part of the last century. Out of that experience the Lord Jesus became her Lord and King, her Saviour, her Provider, her Great Physician. They were on a homestead far removed from the help of a doctor. One time one of her sons lay dying on his bed with a ruptured appendix. She looked for no help other than her Great Physician - and her son was raised up, and lived to be an old man. A cow or a horse that was sick - she would go to the barn and lay hands on them, and they would be healed. Anyway, when she got the telegram she went to fervent prayer immediately, and I was raised up by a miracle. I sat up in bed that very day, and gradually returned to full strength.

Oh how great and majestic and powerful the Church appears to be in our day. But in actuality…how weak, how poor, how miserable, how blind, how wretched she really is. And our Lord stands at the door, and begs for admittance, that He might come to us with the "white raiment" of His righteousness, with the "anointing oil" for our eyes…with the "gold, tried in the fire"…that we might be rich.

So now I am released from the work camps, and back in Vancouver. What will I do? Prepare to be a missionary, perhaps. I looked into the possibility of going to Japan. I was serious about it. But I soon learned that "A man’s heart deviseth his way, but the Lord directeth his steps" (Prov. 16:9). We plan our way in life…but He lays our plans aside, and directs us in His way -- if we truly love God and desire to walk with Him. One night at the church that I attended, while the Spirit of God was heavy upon me, I had clear direction to move to Lethbridge, Alberta. For what purpose I did not know. For about three years in that city I was involved with a handful of people, mostly in downtown mission work. My time there seemed to be very unfruitful and uneventful. Yet I would have the assurance in my heart that I went there in His will. While living with friends in their home I felt to go on a long fast…as long as would be necessary to discover a greater reality in God. Then one evening an old Pentecostal preacher who was a friend of our family, looked me up. After a time of fellowship with the family members that were in the room, he came over and laid hands on me and prophesied words of encouragement. I thought that was quite strange…I never had anything like that happen to me before.

Shortly after this we heard about a move of God starting up in Saskatchewan, in my old hometown. It was a time of great spiritual dearth, and many of God’s people in many places had been earnestly seeking the Lord for revival. In North Battleford a small Bible College had been formed, and the faculty and students alike were constrained in earnest prayer and fasting to seek the Lord for a fresh move of God. This went on for months and in the Spring of 1948 the Lord began to move very sovereignly in "prophecy and the laying on of hands" - with the impartation of gifts and ministries of the Spirit. Then we heard that a Camp Meeting was scheduled for July and some of us in Lethbridge felt to be there. We were not to be disappointed. There was a great emphasis not only in prophecy and other gifts of the Spirit but we were greatly impacted by the evident presence of the Spirit, the anointed Word in teaching, and the spontaneous prophetic utterances that came forth. It was a corporate anointing - with the Spirit Himself very much in control. The people as well as the leadership were participants in this fresh anointing. To myself and many others it was a new day dawning. A day in which the Lord would unfold Truth in a new dimension, for the edifying of the body of Christ. The revival had started in February of 1948, in what was known as Sharon Bible College, and now it was early July. In those 4 or 5 months the word had gone far and wide, and there were probably six or seven hundred people there from different parts of Canada and the USA. The "order" of the Spirit prevailed, and there was much love among the brethren. It was a new visitation and in the days and years to come, many thousands would be refreshed and changed as they discovered new vision and new hope in what God was doing and would yet do in the earth. The Word became "alive." The worship was spontaneous, as those who had long panted for the living waters found new hope and new reality in God.

A few months later, at the request of one of the leaders…I was invited to come and work with them…particularly in the office answering the mail that started to pour in from different parts of Canada and the USA and other countries. I enjoyed those times, and have no regrets for having worked there those four years or so, in what I would call a "deacon" capacity…helping out where I could…ministering at times in the local church…or in the Bible College. It was during that time that I wrote the book "Feast of Tabernacles," which was inspired in part by what one of the young prophets had said in one of his classes; "This feast is still in the future." It was this key that started my own research into this great Feast, and I was aware of much anointing as I wrote about it.

But after a few years I was becoming more and more aware that the Spirit of God no longer hovered over us as He once did. Several others felt the same way. God forbid that I should attach any blame to anyone…He alone is the Judge. Perhaps all of us who were involved, were responsible in one way or another, for causing the Holy Dove of God’s Spirit to be grieved. I knew I must leave…but I never lost confidence in what God had done, and would yet do…when a new generation would earnestly seek the Lord to come again, and set up His habitation in the midst of His people.

I went back to my trade as a carpenter, and remained at that till I was well-past retirement age. Yet during this time I would occasionally take a ministry trip here and there, as I felt it to be the Lord’s will. On one of these earlier trips I went to a small gathering in Oakland, California…and I stayed on after the gathering working at my trade. Then in 1956 I came back to Canada to marry Ruth Gray, who also was born and raised in Saskatchewan, and used to come with her parents to those annual summer Camp Meetings. After we married we returned to California for another couple of years where I had unfinished work to do. Then I had agreed to build a small summer home near Lake Tahoe. After that we returned to Canada…with our firstborn child, a daughter, Linda Faith. We lived in the Calgary area for 14 years and have lived here in Cranbrook since 1972. Ruth has been a faithful and devoted wife all these years, and we have been blessed with 4 daughters, 3 sons and 17 grandchildren. In 2005 we were saddened with the passing away of a grand-daughter, Rebekah Grace, at the age of 15. She had been handicapped for the greater part of her life. Her passing has left a void in the hearts of many.

Summer 2015 - update by the family:

Our father George is nearing 98 in September, nestled away in the Canadian Rockies; a grandfather to 19 and a great-grandfather to 4, with another on the way. His beloved wife of 55 years, Ruth Marie, passed away in November of 2011 after the debilitating disease ALS ravaged her body for nearly a year. It was excruciating for the family to watch our lively fun-loving mother so constrained by the end that she could move only her eyes, though her mental capabilities were sharp. She is dearly missed beyond words by our family, and by others who loved her as a mother and friend. We hang on to the assurance that our times are in God's hands. We are humbled and grateful to have been raised by two such precious and faithful Godly parents. Though we may not understand the constraints and limitations of the aging process, we can have confidence that God's purposes continue to be fulfilled during this fragile phase of life.

"Can the clay say to the potter, what are you making?"
(Isaiah 45:9)

"But we have this treasure in fragile earthen pots,
in order that the surpassing greatness of the power may be seen to be God's
and not to come from us."
(2 Cor. 4:7, Weymouth)

George's key blueprint which he was led to write at 32 years of age The Feast of Tabernacles
we have serialised here on this blog beginning here

Wednesday 25 May 2016

First Arrival at The Garden Annexe , Our New Self-Catering Holiday Let

We live in a fabulous part of the world spoiled in part out of necessity by the fact that the once sandy beaches of Hayling have to have routine fresh coverings of shingle and stone to keep the island from being flooded by the seas. Apart from Sandown on the Isle of Wight and Eastbourne which both get even more sunshine hours per year, we are certainly in Britain's sunnier region.

The Garden Annexe here which you can find online at
www.gardenannexe.net  is a suntrap, and so we took down  a large tree which was ailing anyway, removed a rockery and built a patio outside the annexe to make full use of the sunshine.

It takes some cleaning to prepare two large rooms so our one night Bed and Breakfast prices are not the cheapest, but if you want your own complete self-catering appartment with proper facilities:
fullsize cooker,microwave , fridge freezer, TV with Sky etc it is a great place to get away for the weekend and have your home away from home, rather than being cooped up in a motel room.
Weekly rates are discounted and monthly rates more so.

How many can sleep there?

The flat has one double bedroom best serving two adults, but the sofabed in the lounge will easily sleep two children as well.

BUT THEN THERE ARE THE SPECIAL EVENTS !!!!And for these you may only be looking for a place where 4 adults who know each other well are looking for a place to bed down cheaply while the bulk of their days are spent at the BIG EVENTS and maybe even eating out locally afterwards.



In Chichester people rent out their houses for four or five nights for anything up to £1500 for a house or part of house.  We are ten miles further out, but four fanatic adults could rent Garden Annexe for only £25 per adult per night, £300 for Friday,Saturday and Sunday nights. At the time of writing this slot is available.
The other main year's events are all here

Thursday 19 May 2016

My third level trek

Some of what we learn is by direct revelation, some is Word through God's ways with others. Some we, like Ruth and Boaz, have sensed the Holy Spirit to "go up by night and get".

Today is Ben's first ever national exam GCSE. 44 years ago I was 12 and got 11 A's in school.....but having achieved and it brought no change whatsoever......didn't make me feel better.....and didn't buy me more or.less favour with my Dad.....I kind of divebombed into questioning everything and fell into deep depression. I left my Methodist distant God and my language and behaviour was totally perverse. My born again school
friend needles me for.a year.....so I.went eventually to hear Billy Graham in films being shown in an Amersham outreach centre. Later in Chesham Bois in another Big Bible.study for youth on Romans my little ex Methodist eyes couldn't believe what I was seeing. In an era of Jimi Hendrix and Courts of the Crimson King and national power strikes.....all these teens were praying unashamed and studying by candlelight as the power was off. That touched me.deeply. Then they said there was going to be a Holy Spirit teach in day.......
So yes.....I was born again and baptised in the Spirit and I'd like to say I've raised up a great ministry throughout England and Europe.
And yes I preached into my posh Dr Challenors school at 13. And yes the head boy even became a Christian......and yes.....those that survived school are now elders up and down Britain....
But I got myself Schlinked.....
At 16 I went with other mixed youth to the sisters of Mary in Darmstadt fresh from the Grace outpouring in the London housechurches except Mother Basilea Schlink wasn't there. For four weeks she was away in prayer having heard that Mao was assembling his troops to begin an attack on Europe. Read Jung Chang. God used Basilea in the same way He had used Rees Howells with the three War dictators, and she paralysed Mao's advance. He never again made another move until his death. Basilia returned a bit like Moses from the mountain. She delivered two talks that blasted me out of my own generation. It was pure third level light. Talk 1 was......Go the way of the Lamb it is a way of Great Power.
This talk was nothing less than the little understood 12th Gate of Jerusalem......the prison gate......describing the no holds barred body intercession of Romans 12.1 and psalm 110....which is totally thirdlevel stuff.
Talk no. 2 was......seek the Face of the God of Jacob as at Peniel.....psalm 24 and Genesis 32.
In other words.....the mechanics of how you get into third level operation.
Now obviously as a 16 year old I couldn't explain any of this had they listened.....to John Noble or Gerald Coates or Dave Mansell......who were really otherwise our then current UK gurus....
But one thing I had experienced was being with a woman who had just possibly stopped another World.War and who had spoken in such Spirit authority to us youngsters......our souls had literally been cleft in two by God's Lightning.
I couldn't articulate it.....but it was clear my life was something about carrying the thirdlevel back into the world church. Christianity doesn't really actually work properly outside the thirdlevel. That's where Jesus lived. It's not just anointing....or.else Jesus wouldn't have said.....many will say to me Lord Lord....I cast out demons in your Name.....and I will.say....but I never Knew You.
And 1 John 2 Father level Christianity is precisely this......knowing Him who is.from the beginning.
But as a first and secondleveller still in separation from the bad old.days of Genesis 3......you think in terms of emotional Presence....or signs....which is of course.part of the package.....but like in Bethel or IHOP.....you forever cry.....more Lord More Lord.....without knowing you are booking an appointment with a steam roller. If you'd only shut up a minute God will swing into action. He heard you the first time. All that is necessary for.life and godliness is actually within you......namely His own DNA.....you can't miss it.....only if you harden your heart in the day of testing....and go back into unbelief. What first and secondlevellers don't get is that after God has sat on you.....you are fused.
You feel lucky to be still alive.....
In the words of the psalms.....66 I think.....all men have ridden over my head....
You can't help.feeling circumcised
That you are marked
Isaiah 53 says.....there is nothing about how you look .....but you are a shoot appearing out from nowhere in a parched wasteground.
You don't do this stuff. You can't do this stuff. You just go the Way of the Lord and He writes His stuff in you. The true church will.recognise where you have been. Everybody else will look for certificates and tassels and won't find any and just walk past you. Isn't it amazing that probably the greatest work in the English language in the twentieth century is still hardly known for the simple.reason that God called Norman Grubb onto the mission field 2 months before his final Cambridge exams. Now, the only people reading his books are people hungry for God.....and especially his final book "Yes I Am." Which is the final treatise on individual thirdlevel revelation, whereas the church blueprint is George H Warnock 1950 Feast of Tabernacles. Mother Basilea Schlink taught on how Romans 6 and 7 works. And Ed Miller used to take churches through and found that some way into the journey sequence in the Spirit there was a Gate 9 open day.....the Jerusalem Eastern Gate.....Revival.....the Jewish Feast that was a component of the third great last Feast of Tabernacles.....called the Feast of In Gathering.
So no.......my hidden generation has not leapt into Terry Virgos shoes.....nor been knocking on the door of Bill Johnson so he can now.retire....
No...like the Angel speaking back to Joshua when he asked.if we.we're on his side or not.....
To Benny Hinn, Morris Cerullo, Bill Johnson, Kenneth Copeland.....to all the "young men breed" of anointing and victory and prosperity Isaacs..... we say......No
No? To a yes no question????
Indeed....we are not in your thing. You can be in ours. But one greater than an evangelical is here. One greater than a charismatic is here.
This Move operates out of thirdlevel fusion. THIS STUFF IS THE ANTIDOTE TO THE GENESIS 3 LIE.
You can look at my path like that of Judah and discount me. Genesis.28 is a bad chapter. But God raised Judah as the preeminent tribe of praise and Jesus came out of Judah. This may not look good to all of you.....but this is what God taking a heart and making it His looks like.
I greet you on the date of my birth!!!!.

Here are the clear BIBLICAL Teachings regarding growth in Christ

The Three Levels of Maturity
Sylvia Pearce
I John 2:12-14
Little Children
“ I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for His name sake.”
“ I write unto you, little children, because you have known the Father.”
Why do we need our sins forgiven? And how can we know the Father?
The Fall Of Man.
Gen 3:1-15
Result Of The fall:
John 3:19-21-“Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light.”
Romans 3:10-18-“There is none good, no not one.”
Eph. 2:1-3 “Dead in trespasses and sins,” “the spirit that works in the children of disobedience” and “they were by nature children of wrath.”
Acts 13:46-“Judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life.”
I John 3:10-“Children of the devil.”
John 8:44- “you are of your father the devil.”
Rom. 6:17-“Slaves of sin.”
I Peter 3:19-“Spirits in prison.”
Romans 9:23-“Vessels of wrath.”
Romans 5:12-“Death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.”
The Provision For Our Sins Through Christ’s Subsitutionary Death.
John 3:16-“For God so loved the world that he sent His only begotten Son.”
II Cor. 5:19-“To wit, that God was in Christ Jesus reconciling the world unto Himself.”
Col. 1:14-“Through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.”
Romans 3:24-25-“Justified freely by his grace, through faith in his blood.”
I Peter 1:18-20-“Redeemed by the precious blood of Christ.”
Heb. 10:12-“One sacrifice for sins forever.”
How is Christ Made Mine?
John 1:12-“As many as receive Him to them gave he power to become the sons of God.”
Acts 16:31-“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shall be saved.”
Titus 3:15-“Not by works of righteousness which I have done but according His mercy He saved me.”
Romans 3:24-“Being justified freely by His grace through Christ’s redemption.”
Romans 3:28-“A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.”
Eph. 2:8-9-“For by grace you are saved, through faith.”
Romans 10:9-“Confess with your mouth, and believe in your heart, you shall be saved.”
How Can I Have The Assurance Of My Salvation?
Hebrews 4:9-10-“There remains a rest, labor to enter in.”
Hebrews 11:6-“For without faith it is impossible to please God.”
The Three Levels of Maturity
I John 2:12-14
Young Men
“I write unto you, young men, because you have overcome the wicked one.”
“I have written unto you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the wicked one.”
How do we overcome the wicked one? Our sins are forgiven, but how about victory over sin, Satan, the works of the flesh, and the world?
Victory And Power In Daily Living
Romans 5:10-We are reconciled to God, by His death, but saved daily by His life.
Eph. 3:19-“That you might be filled with all the fullness of God.”
I Cor. 2:10-“That we might know the deep things of God.”
Eph. 1:18-“That you might know the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints.”
II Cor 9:8-“God makes all grace abound towards you that we might have all sufficiency in all things.”
The Provision For Daily Living Is Through The Body Death Of The Cross
Romans 6:6-“The old man is crucified with Christ.”
Galatians 2:20-“I am crucified with Christ, I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.”
II Cor. 5:21-“Christ was made sin, that we might be made His righteousness.”
Romans 6:2-“We are dead to sin.”
Colossians. 2:11-“We are circumcised with Christ, putting off the body of sins.”
Romans 6:3-“We are baptized into His death.”
2 Peter 8:1-“We are partakers of the divine nature.”
Colossians 1:22-“In the body of His flesh to present you holy, and unblameable.”
Hebrews 10:10-“We are sanctified through offering of the body of Christ.”
Hebrews 10:14-“By one offering He hath perfected forever them who are sanctified.”
The Law, Not Sin, The Problem
Romans 7:4-“You also have become dead to the law by the body of Christ.”
Romans 6:7-“He that is dead is freed from sin.”
Romans 6:14-“Sin shall not have dominion over you for you are under grace.”
I Cor. 15:56-“The power of sin is the law.”
How Does This Work Out As Our Experience?
Romans 7:15-“For that which I do I allow not: for what I would that do I not; but what I hate, that I do.”
Romans 7:24-“O wretched man that I am who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Why Do We Experience the Bondages and Defeats of Romans 7?
Because not having completely learned, or easily forgetting, the basic helplessness of self, and its only function to be the container of the Spirit, we are constantly assaulted by temptation to be something or do something or not do something. Obey those commands pray more, give more witness more, be more patient, don’t lose your temper, get rid of those evil thoughts, struggle against your lusts, and so on.
The human being is only a receiver and not a producer of righteousness.
John 15:1-You are the branch, not the vine.
Romans 9:22-We are vessels of mercy, but formally vessels of wrath, but always vessels.
I Cor. 6:19-“You are the temple of the living God.”
Romans 6:17-You are slaves of righteousness, formally slaves of sin.
Romans 6:7-“He that is dead is freed from sin.”
The Human Being Has Never Been An Independent Self.
I John 4:6-“He that is in this world, and He that is in us.”
I John 4:6-“Spirit of truth, and Spirit of error.”
I John 3:10-“Child of the devil, child of God.”
Galatians 2:20-“I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me.”
Romans 7:17-“It is not I, but sin that dwelleth in me.”
The Leap Of Faith
Colossians 3:3-4-“Christ, who is my life.”
Galatians 5:24-“In Christ we have crucified the flesh.”
Romans 6:6-“The Old self is crucified with Christ.”
Colossians 3:9 ; Eph. 22-24-“You have put off the old man with His deeds.”
Colossians 3:10-You have put on the new man which is renewed with a new mind.
Soul and Spirit Differences
I Thes. 5:23-“Sanctify your spirit, soul and body.”
Matt. 11:28-29-“There is a rest for our souls.”
Hebrews 4:13-“Sabbath rest for the people of God.”
Hebrews 4:13-“Diving soul from Spirit, joints and marrow, thoughts and intents.”
The School of Faith
Hebrews 11:6-“For with faith it is impossible to please God.”
Mark 11:22-“Have the faith of God, say unto this mountain be thou removed and cast into the sea. And whatsoever you say, you shall have.”
Romans 4:17-“Call the things that be not as though they are.”
( Nothing in this life is yours)
Luke 14:26-27—“Hate not his father, mother, wife, children, brethren & his own life.”
Genesis 22:2-“Take thy son, thine only son Isaac, & offer him there a burnt-offering.”
The Life Of Faith
Romans 4:20-“Abraham staggered not at the promises of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; And being fully persuaded that, what He had promised He was able also to perform.”
Hebrews 11-The great heroes of faith.
The Three Levels of Maturity
I John 2:12-14
“I have written unto you, Fathers, because you have know Him, that is from the beginning.” Our life is poured out for others.
John 21:18-“Another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou would not.”
Credentials of an Apostle
John 10:17-18-“Why does the Father love me?” “Because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.” “I have power to lay it down and I have power to take it up again.”
Hebrews 5:14-“He that is full of age has their senses exercised to discern good and evil.”
I Corinthians 4:9-15-“God has set for the Apostles as last as it were appointed to death,” “We are fools for Christ sake, but you are wise, we are weak, we are despised,” “Being reviled, we bless, being persecuted we suffer it, being defamed, we retreat.” “We are made the filth of the world, and the off scouring of all things.”
II Corinthians 1:5-“For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us,”
Works of an Father/Apostle
Ezek. 22:30-“I sought for a man to stand in the gap.”
Colossians 1:24-“I fill up that which is behind of the sufferings of Christ.”
Galatians 6:2-“Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.”
The Call Of An Apostle/Intercessor
Don’t look for your intercession, and when it comes you won’t want it.
Jesus said “Take this cup from me.”
Jonah 1:2-“Arise go to Nineveh,”
Exodus 3:10-“I will send thee unto Pharaoh”
Isa. 6:9-“Go, and tell this people.”
John 1:6-“There is a man sent from God.”
The Cost of an Intercessor
Isa. 54:4-“He bore our grief, and carried our sorrows.”
Isa. 53:12-“He has poured out his soul unto death.”
II Corinthians 1:9-“We have the sentence of death in ourselves.”
II Corinthians 4:8-12-“We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed: we are perplexed, but not in despair; Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life of Jesus might be made manifest in my mortal flesh.”
II Corinthians 4:11-“For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
The Completion and Fruit Bearing Of An Intercessor
II Corinthians 4:11b-“Death works in us, but life works in you.”
John 12:24-“If the seed die, it brings forth much fruit.”
John 15:16-“He has chosen you to bring forth fruit and that your fruit should remain.”
Hebrew 2:10-“Bring many sons to glory”
Little Children,
Young Men,

Monday 16 May 2016

Saturday 14 May 2016

God's Sealing Process

Man's idea of the seal of approval is a very touch and go process depending  on many many parameters that change like the wind. God's idea of Approval is seeing through to Himself.....there is none other that such a Being could swear by,  We "see through" to the seal of His Being stamped in our very creation before the foundations of the Earth.

“[j]We have a little sister,
And she has no breasts;
What shall we do for our sister
On the day when she is spoken for?
9 “If she is a wall,
We will build on her a battlement of silver;
But if she is a door,
We will barricade her with planks of cedar.”
A bit more about Fatherhood.....
1 John 2...they know Him who is from the beginning
and the verses which precede the song of Solomon verses above
“Put me like a seal over your heart,
Like a seal on your arm.
For love is as strong as death,
Jealousy is as severe as Sheol;
Its flashes are flashes of fire,
The very flame of the Lord.
There should perhaps be a healthwarning that goes with
enter into your inner room and shut your door and meet with your Father in secret....
you will soon notice a strange burning....
God is a consuming fire....
God's consuming fire seal will tear and burn at the fatty layers of your heart......this seal seals your heart...but then it seals every action of your arm....
People in Facebook don't get union, so every time you try to speak about works....they think in their separation mentality....
oooooh....you must be careful about works!!!!! brother.
for me I have been diligent since meeting Richard Wurmbrand, Mothe Basilea Schlink, Graham Pulkingham, Ed Miller....
I have been diligent to seek God. The best years of my life were given to this.....only nobody really explained what would happen.
I don't really know who gets sealed upon whose arm....all I know is that burning flame is fusion. You don't worry about "works brother" after fusion.....you are happy to still be alive....
But yes....
the flashes of fire now come out of your spirit....unpremeditated....
can be extremely embarrassing.....
It's part of spontaneous freefall of faith.
Before you minded your business and kept your nose out.
Now you are ONE.
You see as ONE.
You are really really really offended by disunity in the Body
You are really really really offended by the ghastly prostitutes on every street corner that are buildings....
Methodist church
Anglican Church
Catholic church
Unitarian Church.....
We are filled with flashes of jealousy. You can see it in our eyes.
When does Jesus get to have His Church....who are called alone by His Name....who gather in HIs Name and are in fact ONE across the whole of the Earth?
You don't mean humanly to stick your nose in....it's just that now when you speak to people it's like you are in their insides.
Because God is in their insides....whether they know and recognise it or not....
so you now find yourself talking out of people's insides. How mystic is that?
You see a wall....and you want to build battlements upon him /her because you know what is coming.
You see a "door" a freeflow two way drainhole between somebody and the pyramid world system....it's like you see the Matrix tubes in real time.....
And sure....you feel you have to build planks of cedar....of resurrection life to somehow plug the gap.
It's a bit like a hole in a spacecraft through which all the oxygen is escaping......
But you know that person is looking at you and wondering....
Just who gave you authority to even speak into my life????
But that flame of fire, that Fatherhood of God is now in you, doing the next thing....the unpremeditated thing....
God is holy. But the world system has no idea of what holy is. They think it's moral or something?
You can have the most extreme clean code of behaviour and be as sterile as a morgue.
Holiness is OTHER and you get this OTHER by coming alongside it....HIM.....by FUSING...or better....BEING FUSED UNTO....
but at least this next generation will know something more of the health warning......
YOU WILL NOLONGER BE A DOOR....YOU WILL BE PLANKED IN WITH RESURRECTION LIFE.....so that you will nolonger just be anybody's whore....
You will know to whom you belong
Your own SELF....with God inside

Friday 13 May 2016

American Reports

I can take you to Batesburg, South Carolina, and show you what hunger looks like. Damon Thompson, a powerful voice to this generation, has been leading a revival there for two years now that has not stopped. It's not just good services, but it is spilling into the community. The town was once had one of the highest crime rates per capita in South Carolina, but since the revival there it was just named one of the safest cities in South Carolina in the local paper.

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We are living in the greatest times the world has ever seen. God, by His divine plan, chose for us to be alive right now in this time—not in the days of the Welsh Revival, or in the days of Azusa or any other time in church history.

That means that God sees something in us. He sees the potential that we have to bring heaven to Earth and a mass harvest of souls come to the knowledge of God. The exciting part is He wants to use you and me to do it.

I was recently reading some statistics about church growth in other parts of the world, and I was astonished at how different they are compared to the church in the U.S. in the past. The article stated that, in China, there is a person born again every three seconds, which comes to 28,800 people every 24 hours! I minister in Brazil often, and that country is seeing a revival sweep across it that is bringing societal transformation.

At a service I recently ministered at in Brazil, the service didn't start until around 10 p.m. My thoughts were, "Who is going to show up to a service that starts that late?" To my surprise, when I arrived, the place was packed with 2,000 young adults who were 18 years of age and under. They were there to seek God and worship. I was blown away. Try calling a service at 10 p.m. in most places in America and see how many show.

What is the key to this type of move in these other places? As I have sought the Lord over this question, He keeps taking me back to this one key—hunger. Those who are hungry for God will be filled. It's kingdom economics; where there is a demand there will be a supply. God will always pour Himself out on those that are desperate for Him.

What about the church in America? Aren't we desperate? My answer to that question is we are beginning to be. For years, I would say no, the church hasn't been hungry for God. However, I am seeing that change in our nation rapidly. There are places I know of that are starting to experience real revival and transformation as a result of seeking hearts that are committed to devotion with the Father.

I can take you to Batesburg, South Carolina, and show you what hunger looks like. Damon Thompson, a powerful voice to this generation, has been leading a revival there for two years now that has not stopped. It's not just good services, but it is spilling into the community. The town was once had one of the highest crime rates per capita in South Carolina, but since the revival there it was just named one of the safest cities in South Carolina in the local paper.

A couple years ago, we started to experience the winds of revival blow through our region again. Myself and several other leaders gathered weekly to pray and seek God to come.

The Lord was faithful to answer our cry of hunger, and several leaders started to experience unusual moves of the Spirit in their meetings. One friend of mine, Rick Curry, saw the Lord walk through the back of His church one Sunday morning and Rick was out in the Spirit for several hours after that encounter. He held meetings at his church nightly after that with several senior leaders, which quickly became known as the Gulf Stream Revival and spread all over the gulf coast. We were seeing hundreds come to the Lord every weekend as it moved throughout the panhandle of Florida.

There are many other places where this is happening in America. I know of a move of God in the hills of West Virginia where a young youth pastor named Kaleb Hanshaw moved to take a position at a church just a couple years ago. I remember talking with Kaleb as he made this move to West Virginia from Bartow, Florida. His purpose for moving was to see a generation in that community experience revival fire.

Recently his labor has paid off, as he and several other youth pastors have come together for extended meetings because God is pouring Himself out among the youth in the schools. They are filling the local high school stadium as students are coming out and getting saved and baptized—1,500 so far. It is revolutionizing their community.

These are just a couple of places I know of. We can't lose hope for our nation! God is doing something that is unique and the dead stale religion of yesterday is not the inheritance for our future. Our inheritance is revival, awakening and a nation on its knees bowing to a holy God!

Continue to pray for hunger in your community and believe that if God can do it in Florida, South Carolina and West Virginia, then He can do it where you live also!

Chris Mathis serves as the lead pastor of the multi-racial, multi-generational Summit Crestview in Crestview, Florida.

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Gareth Malone and Grayson Perry

I felt some different levels of truth kicking around last night on Television which are worth commenting on because they were both connected to the artistic process.

Gareth Malone was doing the second part of his choosing and training of the Invictus Choir ready for the American hosted event, the Invictus Games. These are where the war wounded compete against each other in disabled events, showing their skills in overcoming their condition.

Not only were the biographies of the lives of the choir looked into more, but also how their stories impinged on the preparation process.   The BIG BOMBSHELL, after Gareth had unsuccessfully been able to identify a song to sing....


Very ordinary people with only modicums of musical skill, being asked to write their own expressions of how they felt about their lives.

Gareth collected key phrases from each choir member, and then with them put some melodies to them

Very powerful lyrics. Very true lyrics.
Greater than the sum of their military experience lyrics.

War is awkward

Because a nation asks its inhabitants to lay down their lives to fight for freedoms.....but often the causes are dubious.  And especially in the last 250 years since the Freemasonic Great Plan has been  the underlying blueprint, but only the Elite know anything except the "cover stories".

eg....we fight against the threat of Western democracy ISIS.....but the real events are the decimation of Christian culture in the South of Sudan and the takeover of the last bank in the world that Rothschild doesn't own.

But that all said, war is also awkward for the reason that it is a moneymaking programme for the wealthy, and a decimation programme to keep the earth's population from growing too big.
It is awkward because no nation adequately cares for the people it has asked to become disabled on their behalf, and not have the courtesy of dying and keeping things simple. In other words, who carries them now for the rest of their lives???  Who engages with the traumas hese people carry in their souls?

And this ofcourse must play a part in the truthfulness of the lyrics in the songs.
TRITE HEROISM doesn't cut it. because the truth is very messy and insidious indeed.....soming ultimately from the Enemy of our Souls who has been a liar , a thief and a murderer from the beginning.


It is not my purpose here to discuss the two famous people in UK who regularly dress in woman's clothing(Eddie Izzard and Grayson)......spoken about expressly in the Old Testament.
But you should know at least one reason for David Bowie's stratospheric success was because he actually complied with  one of the Elite's programming of society....the blurring of the genders.
Whatever you may feel about this it is helpful to know where some of their thinking is originating.
Some of Steiner's 1906-7 lectures are influencing current thought and programmes without most of the public being even slightly aware of the things he was saying.

Rudolf Steiner lecture 1906 Woman and Society.
In every human being — this is a fact — the etheric body consists of two parts; the etheric body of a man, as he lives among us, shows itself to have feminine features, and the etheric body of a woman to have masculine features. Many facts in life become clearer when we recognise that in a man there is something of the feminine nature, and in a woman, a more masculine nature. From this it can be explained why certain character features can arise in Man. In truth we never have before us in the physical, material human body anything other than a physical expression of the totality of the individuality. The human soul forms for itself a body with two poles, just as a magnet does. It forms for itself a masculine and a feminine part, each of which can be either a physical body, or reacts at another time as the etheric body. Hence, with regard to those emotions which are associated with the etheric body — devotion, courage, love — a woman can clearly evince masculine characteristics, and a man womanly characteristics. In contrast, with regard to all those characteristics which depend more on the physical body, the consequences of gender will express themselves in outer life. -

So Steiner is describing  a "completion" of man and woman that takes place as they spiritually rise.

And for me in the Holy Spirit isn't this the work Jesus does.  In 1 John 2 it describes us fusing with , knowing He who is from the Beginning in His Fulness.
God is the Warrior King and also El Shaddai, the One who gives Suckle , a female aspect of care and nurture.

I hope by this preamble to give glimpses of a bigger perspective on Grayson Perry, because he himself did so last night as he continued his series analysing what is a MAN?

And ofcourse the irony is, as an artist who cross dresses, you would think he is the least likely candidate to comment.

So, he is picking examples of ultimate manhood....or so recognised, beginning last night with the police force as they conduct dawn raids in Skelmersdale. This town represents so much about a culture of life on  benefit.

So in that context Grayson was looking deeply into both sides caught in this web......the drugs pushers and no-hopers, and the law enforcers, who self confessedly seek to hold the condition from complete takeover, but also state they fully expect others to take the place of those convicted.

Complete with penis graffiti, Grayson does two works of art encapsulating the Skelmersdale situation then invites the townspeople to view and comment. He also explains why the graffiti feature.....and why he chose the model of an African occult power figure, distorted to become a powerless figure.

God's heart for the whole of the situation, rather than the rather two dimensional approach of current police strategy, helps you understand the difference between
"worldly thinking"
and real "kingdom thinking".

Wednesday 11 May 2016

"Get Involved or be subjugated" Facebook Thread with Jeff Moore

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It is obvious that the news distraction's the Obama organization is running are to hide the more sinister plans it has. Get involved or get subjugated. Your choice. Do your really think Zika virus was ever a threat? Who killed Ted Bundy? Do you think men in womens restroom is a threat? Who is killing the cancer doctors? Get your facts straight the media is bought and controlled by the Obama admin and the NWO. Your lives and wealth have already been cut in half because of the planned first economic failure. The second is coming what are you going to do but be sheep to the Government Mafia you created. God help us now!
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Sylvia Dunn Mobley SELAH. YES, FATHER. heart emoticon
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Saji Joseph
Saji Joseph I'm not fully sure I believe that getting involved necessarily keeps us from being subjugated.
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Jeff Moore Saji Joseph - The Republic needs help. We all can pray nad do what God shows us to do. Surely sitting down will lead to ruin.
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Fran E. Vestal
Fran E. Vestal Read Bonhoeffer saja
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Fran E. Vestal
Fran E. Vestal So Jeff can you vote are you still Canadian I do love what you wrote is very thorough
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Saji Joseph
Saji Joseph I have read Bonhoeffer. He was involved and subjugated. I didn't say we shouldn't get involved or pray, but that doesn't keep us from being subjugated.
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Fran E. Vestal
Fran E. Vestal He took a stand and lost his life
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Saji Joseph
Saji Joseph I deeply respect him and and believe his taking a stand was a good thing.I think maybe my post came across as someone who is waiting for everything to go to Ruin and then we must endure that bad place. I believe we should take a stand against evil. I really just have a hard time with the idea that scripture teaches us to rally around political issues. I don't see the early apostles standing in front of Rome asking it to change its political ways.. And how if they don't it's all going to pot. They just preached Christ.
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Fran E. Vestal Saji Joseph I'm wondering if the scripture say that so much or how we're taught. In my opinion religion teaches us to be passive sheep the only people doing anything saying anything are n the pulpit I don't think that's biblical. Remember after the cross was house-to-house no platform. Background came against them was to scatter them and carry the gospel and not to be just in Jerusalem. So there was a purpose in the chaos. I do not see u.s. as that
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John McDonald
John McDonald BUT sheep are not stupid.
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Saji Joseph I guess I have a different reading on what should be pressing on the believer's mind. I am not a part of any religious structure, and have been a part of "house church no platform" since my salvation in Christ. I do not believe Christ calls us to be passive sheep about the kingdom, but He was an example to His disciple when He allowed Himself to be subjugated to the hands of men. He did not allow it until the proper time by telling them that they cannot follow Him yet but will eventually. To me that was a teaching and example of dark conspiracy happening between religious leaders and government to take down Jesus. He was very aware of what was happening and then let it happen like a passive, silent sheep. He tells us this will happen all over the world but to not worry. I am very aware that the lies are there, I'm just not sure how much we are called to be about all this stuff.
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Jeff Moore I am Canadian. Saji Joseph - Look deeper. It is not an intellectual thing. It is reality my friend. Just shouting out for all who can hear. smile emoticon
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Saji Joseph I don't mean to squabble over things we may actually agree on. Maybe I am a bit hesitant to believe that the acknowledgement that there are sinister plans brings us any closer to seeing what those plans actually are and will keep us from being chained into those plans. I will follow Christ in the midst of adversity and hopefully in the midst of severe adversity.
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Jimmie Donald Lewis Come on Jeff get real, focus on the Bible, trust in it, not the Government. Psalm 22:28.
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Toni Miles First, I believe Jeff is getting "real" when he clearly said in his post, "it is reality my friend." Second, he focused on the Bible when he said, "we can pray and do what God shows us to do" (instructed by His word in the Bible) . Third, it is clear that he is trusting in God and not the government when in the last sentence of his original post he said, "God, help us now!" . . "The earth is the Lord's, the fullness thereof, the world and ALL those who dwell therein, " Psalm 24:1.
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Fran E. Vestal How long have we had prayer Ministries it's praying for our country 24/7? It's time for people to be involved it's time for people to speak become a town crier where you live
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Jeff Moore Yes Jimmie my friend I trust God. But for reasons that God has told me I must speak out. I must give people the chance to change the direction. The civil war was not because of lack of prayer but lack of action of faith. God is not an American. He is who He is. The Lord almighty. You think perhaps He will spare the USA? What and apologize to Africa? I agree we must keep our head in the clouds but common sense still tells me I will reap what I sow. That includes ignorance. I hate deception of any kind. Love you my friend Jimmie.
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Jimmie Donald Lewis Their is a sin of ignorance in our Bible. But I know He does not want us to be ignorant any more. I to love you brother. O, there is no dough about reaping what we sow, that's been proven many time, and a lot of it in Ministry.
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Jimmie Donald Lewis If you come to joyful sound in June, we will see you there.
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Jeff Moore I am planning to see you!!!! grin emoticon
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Jimmie Donald Lewis Great, we'll see you there Brother.
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Chris Welch One of the mysteries of the gospel is as we preach against the bogus realm of the independent self we actually cross

You can see the alarms being set off in increasing measure in the gospels by all that Jesus did and taught.
He led people in the Way of freedom which meant He was pulling them out of the Pyramid
He actively challenged all the high place speculations He came across.....all the circularities of thinking. A telltale sign was the way the religious slunk away.....because whatever they said would have incriminated them
And lastly His POWER was increasing, more resurrections from the dead. The Greater the supernatural the bigger the problem for Darkness, which relies on people feeling powerless. It simply cannot have people wandering around quoting Isaiah 61
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me because He has anointed me.....to set people free etc!!!!!

So I kind of agree with both sides. We are not called to set up a new and improved form of PYRAMID.....
But we are called to speak as the Spirit gives utterance against every form of Satanically controlled existence that refuses to yield to any Lordship of Christ.
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Tuesday 10 May 2016


As a Kingdom person I almost couldn't care HOW a country is managed. If Kings are like King David, then that's some worship base for a nation.If people want to be communist, then as long as it isn't atheistic Freemasonic communism like in Russia China and Cuba....well even that can work in God. Or how about Presidents? Well if they aren't Skull and Bones, they should be OK. Skull and Bones is the secret Satanic pact to create conditions for Armageddon...or Golgotha 2....or "the Place of the Skull"

God's actual order is the church....but as nobody can possibly imagine a church with thirdlevellers in....(think loads of Mother Teresas, Dietrich Bonhoeffer's ,Watchman Nees) I'll shut up about it, because everyone in the West has been brainwashed by
(Masonic) "separation of Church and State" purely because of the messed up massacre that is the Catholic Church.
Similarly the saints I have connected with
the Franke's in Germany
the Nugues in France,
real cool Finnish guys I met in Kenya,
wonderful Spanish Christians....
Please understand...the basic concept of a Rothschild free Europe appeals to me....
But as things stand here is the truth as the Brexit people see Europe
What you should know:
The United Kingdom is the 5th most powerful economy,and trading nation in the World.
The UK occupies one of only 5 permanent seats on the UN Security Council.
The UK has the greatest military power within the EU.
The UK has a trade deficit with EU countries of £89 billion, £36 billion of which is with Germany alone. These countries need our business. They're not going to jeopardise that!
UK farmers will continue to receive their subsidies after Brexit, as they did before we joined the "Common Market".
Much is made of the 500 million potential customers in the EU, but within our Commonwealth of Nations established in 1949 consisting of 53 countries, the total population is 2.2 billion! And they mostly speak the international language
English! And we'll still trade with the EU.
There is no "status quo" if the UK stays in the EU. With a
constant flow of directives at the rate of almost 3000 every
year, our country will increasingly be absorbed into political,
monetary and legal EU control, to our considerable detriment.
The EU does not provide national safety - NATO does! The EU, at least in part is responsible for the civil war in the Ukraine and with its open border policy with millions of migrants heading across Europe, the EU is responsible for considerable insecurity and instability.
The EU annual accounts have NEVER been reconciled.
Much is made of the last 20 years accounts unsuccessfully audited, but the EEC/EU, etc., has been in existence for over 50 years­ Originally, the accounts were on a series of spreadsheets and
about 20 years ago the EU belatedly introduced double-entry accounting. When their chief accountant reported her findings
to the EU Commissioner Neil Kinnock, he sacked her!
Despite the EU accounts "irregularities" the UK pays £millions to the EU every day, money that would be much better spent here at home building new hospitals, etc., supporting British citizens and reducing our national debt, currently of £1.6 trillion.
The Institute for Economic Affairs has stated in Feb 2016, that AEU membership currently costs every UK household approx.
£2,900 each year.
Under UN rules, the UK has the right to control the seas around our coast out to 200 miles. Under the EU Common Fisheries Policy, this is not possible. UK waters account 0- 80% of the total EU catch, but UK fishermen may only catch 13%.
The UK Government would ban live animal exports for slaughter, but under EU legislation this is not possible.
ln June, Turkish citizens (almost 80 million) will, under EU law, have the right to enter EU countries, including the UK.
The 3 million jobs lost claim originated from a report commissioned by Britain in Europe, which stated that "up to 3.2
million jobs were associated with exports to EU Countries." The
same paragraph also stated that "there is a case that withdrawal from the EU might actually offer net economic benefits". The
report was subsequently rewritten to read that '3.5 million jobs would be put at risk'. Not true!
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership(TTIP) is a series of trade negotiations carried out mostly in private between the EU and US. It is designed to reduce the regulatory trade barriers for big business in such areas as food and banking, but also even the sovereign powers of nation states. It is apparent that the EU will push through this deal with the US.
The EU Commissioner
for Trade intends to conclude
negotiations before President Obama leaves office.
Dave's 'renegotiated settlements" aren't worth a jot. They're not legally binding and won't be enforced, even if they were significant, which they're not!
Once free we can: (a few examples!)
Ban live animal exports for slaughter
Be governed by those whom we elect
Control our own borders
Cut unnecessary red tape
Negotiate our own trade deals around the World!
Protect our coal and steel industries and
Protect our environment properly and stop flooding
manufacturing companies from overseas dumping
Rebuild our NHS
Regain and control our sovereign fishing grounds
Save millions every day, for what WE need
Scrap Corpus Juris in favour of our Habeas Corpus
Scrap the European Arrest Warrant
Scrap the European Human Rights Act & replace with
our own UK Bill of Rights, encapsulating Magna Carta
Scrap TTIP
Scrap, or set VAT levels to what we need
Scrap useless directives and set our own laws
Support our farming and fishing
Support and reward our inventors and innovators

Wednesday 4 May 2016

Satanic Abuse Therapy - Sandra Fecht

While I may not go along with everything said here, I for example believe God said we live once here then comes judgment.....I do not believe reincarnation is necessary in training vessels for glory.
A day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day.

But please listen to all of this, because you are going to meet people for whom this is reality.
I personally have had to do with two on Facebook in the past three years.....and probably more if they opened up.

Monday 2 May 2016

China's Forced Organ Harvesting

As Christine Ben and I walked through London's Centre we were handed some literature by members of Falun Gong protesting the atrocious Chinese trade in body parts from living prisoners both of this sect and Christians and other dissidents held in Chinese prisons.

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Why is Falun Gong targeted, and also underground Christians in the house church movement?  Both are highly spiritual, meditative groups.Why then are masonic based elites so against indiginous people groups? And traditions? In atheist and secular societies traditional religions and philosophies are regularly uprooted .  China attacked and sought to disempower Tibet. The young America decimated indiginous immigrants. Again this was by freemasons!!! The masonic leadership in the UK targeted Australian aborigines.
Because unlike the secular people they wish to fool, they are well aware of the spiritual power of meditation, of prayer, of wisdom philosophies, and seek to eradicate them from their midst. 

This is a copy of the long and detailed report which it may be necessary for you to skim read if it is too long, that was prepared in 2007  By David Matas, Esq. and Hon. David Kilgour, Esq.

A.  Introduction

B. The Allegation
C. Working Methods
D. Difficulties of proof
E. Methods of proof
F. Elements of Proof and Disproof

a) General considerations

        1) Human rights violations
        2) Health financing
        3) Army financing
        4) Corruption
    b) Considerations specific to organ harvesting
        5) Technological development
        6) Treatment of prisoners sentenced to death
        7) Organ donations
        8) Waiting times
        9) Incriminating Information on Websites
        10) Donor recipient interviews
        11) The money to be made
        12) Chinese transplant ethics
        13) Foreign transplant ethics
        14) Chinese transplant laws
        15) Foreign transplant laws
        16) Travel Advisories
        17) Pharmaceuticals
        18) Foreign state funding for care
) Considerations specific to Falun Gong

        19) A perceived threat
        20) A policy of persecution
        21) Incitement to hatred
        22) Physical persecution
        23) Massive arrests
        24) Deaths
        25) Unidentified
        26) Blood testing and organ examination
        27) Sources of past transplants
28) Sources of future transplants
29) Corpses with missing organs
30) Admissions

31) A confession
32) Corroborating studies
        33) Government of China responses

G. Further Research
H. Conclusions
I.  Recommendations
J. Commentary
K. Appendices
1Letter of Invitation from CIPFG
    2Biography of David Matas
    3Biography of David Kilgour
    4Letter to The Embassy of China
    5The Recipient Experience
    6. Ethics of contact with China on Transplants
    7. Statements of the Government of China
    8. Edmonton Police Report of Wilful Promotion of Hatred by Chinese Consular Officials against Falun Gong
    9. Physical Persecution of Falun Gong
    10. Names of the Dead
    11. Witness Statements on the Unidentified
    12. Names of the Missing
    13. Blood Testing of Falun Gong Prisoners
    14. Transcript of Telephone Investigations
    15. Canada, US and Japan transplant statistics in 10 years
    16. Sujiatun
    17. Matas-Kilgour Response to the Chinese Government statements
    18. A Confession
    19. AI’s Records of Number of Executed Prisoners in China Each Year
    20. Corpses with Missing Organs

A. Introduction

The Coalition to Investigate the Persecution of the Falun Gong in China (CIPFG), has asked us to investigate allegations of organ harvesting of Falun Gong practitioners in China. The coalition is a non‑governmental organization registered in Washington, D.C., U.S.A. with a branch in Ottawa, Canada.  The request came formally by letter dated May 24, 2006 attached as an appendix to this report.

The request was to investigate allegations that state institutions and employees of the government of the People's Republic of China have been harvesting organs from live Falun Gong practitioners, killing the practitioners in the process.  In light of the seriousness of the allegations as well as our own commitment to respect for human rights, we accepted the request.

David Matas is an immigration, refugee and international human rights lawyer in private practice in Winnipeg.  He is actively involved in the promotion of respect for human rights as an author, speaker and participant in several human rights non‑governmental organizations. 

David Kilgour is a former member of Parliament and a former Secretary of State of the Government of Canada for the Asia Pacific region.  Before he became a parliamentarian, he was a Crown prosecutor.  The biographies of both authors are attached as appendices to this report.

B. The Allegation

It is alleged that Falun Gong practitioners are victims of live organ harvesting throughout China.  The allegation is that organ harvesting is inflicted on unwilling Falun Gong practitioners at a wide variety of locations, pursuant to a systematic policy, in large numbers. 

Organ harvesting is a step in organ transplants.  The purpose of organ harvesting is to provide organs for transplants.  Transplants do not necessarily have to take place in the same place as the location of the organ harvesting. The two locations are often different; organs harvested in one place are shipped to another place for transplanting. 

The allegation is further that the organs are harvested from the practitioners while they are still alive. The practitioners are killed in the course of the organ harvesting operations or immediately thereafter.  These operations are a form of murder. 

Finally, we are told that the practitioners killed in this way are then cremated.  There is no corpse left to examine to identify as the source of an organ transplant.

C. Working Methods

We conducted our investigation independently from the Coalition to Investigate the Persecution of the Falun Gong in China, the Falun Dafa Association, any other organization, and any government. We sought to go to China unsuccessfully, but would be willing to go even subsequently to pursue the investigation. 

When we began our work, we had no views whether the allegations were true or untrue.  The allegations were so shocking that they are almost impossible to believe.  We would have much rather found the allegations to be untrue than to be true.  The allegations, if true, represent a disgusting form of evil which, despite all the depravities humanity has seen, are new to this planet.  The very horror made us reel back in disbelief.  But that disbelief does not mean that the allegations are untrue.

We were well aware of the statement of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter 1943 to a Polish diplomat in reaction to being told by Jan Karski about the Holocaust.  Frankfurter said:
          "I did not say that this young man was lying. I said that I was unable to believe what he told me.  There is a difference."

After the Holocaust, it is impossible to rule out any form of depravity.  Whether an alleged evil has been perpetrated can be determined only by considering the facts.

After the first version of our report was released, on July 7, 2006 in Ottawa, we travelled extensively, publicising the report and promoting its recommendations. In the course of our travels, and as a result of the publicity surrounding the first version, we acquired substantial additional information.  This second version incorporates this new information. 

Nothing we subsequently discovered shook our conviction in our original conclusions.  But much which we later discovered reinforced it.  This version presents, we believe, an even more compelling case for our conclusions than the first version did.

D. Difficulties of Proof

The allegations, by their very nature, are difficult either to prove or disprove.  The best evidence for proving any allegation is eye witness evidence.  Yet for this alleged crime, there is unlikely to be any eye witness evidence.

The people present at the scene of organ harvesting of Falun Gong practitioners, if it does occur, are either perpetrators or victims. There are no bystanders. Because the victims, according to the allegation, are murdered and cremated, there is no body to be found, no autopsy to be conducted. There are no surviving victims to tell what happened to them.  Perpetrators are unlikely to confess to what would be, if they occurred, crimes against humanity.  Nonetheless, though we did not get full scale confessions, we garnered a surprising number of admissions through investigator phone calls.

The scene of the crime, if the crime has occurred, leaves no traces.  Once an organ harvesting is completed, the operating room in which it takes place looks like any other empty operating room.

The clampdown on human rights reporting in China makes assessment of the allegations difficult.  China, regrettably, represses human rights reporters and defenders.  There is no freedom of expression.  Those reporting on human rights violations from within China are often jailed and sometimes charged with communicating state secrets.  In this context, the silence of human rights non‑governmental organizations on organ harvesting of unwilling Falun Gong practitioners tells us nothing.

The International Committee of the Red Cross is not allowed to visit prisoners in China.  Nor is any other organization concerned with human rights of prisoners.  That also cuts off a potential avenue of evidence.

China has no access to information legislation.  It is impossible to get from the Government of China basic information about organ transplants ‑ how many transplants there are, what is the source of the organs, how much is paid for transplants or where that money is spent.

We did seek to visit China for this report.  Our efforts went nowhere.  We asked in writing for a meeting with the embassy to discuss terms of entry.  Our letter is attached as an appendix to this report.  Our request for a meeting was accepted.  But the person who met with David Kilgour was interested only in denying the allegations and not in arranging for our visit.

E. Methods of Proof

We have had to look at a number of factors, to determine whether they present a picture, all together, which make the allegations either true or untrue.  None of these elements on its own either establishes or disproves the allegations.  Together, they paint a picture.

Many of the pieces of evidence we considered, in themselves, do not constitute ironclad proof of the allegation.  But their non‑existence might well have constituted disproof.  The combination of these factors, particularly when there are so many of them, has the effect of making the allegations believable, even when any one of them in isolation might not do so.  Where every possible element of disproof we could identify fails to disprove the allegations, the likelihood of the allegations being true becomes substantial.

Proof can be either inductive or deductive.  Criminal investigation normally works deductively, stringing together individual pieces of evidence into a coherent whole.  The limitations our investigation faced placed severe constraints in this deductive method.  Some elements from which we could deduce what was happening were, nonetheless, available, in particular, the investigator phone calls.

We also used inductive reasoning, working backwards as well as forwards.  If the allegations were not true, how would we know it was not true?  If the allegations were true, what facts would be consistent with those allegations?  What would explain the reality of the allegations, if the allegations were real?  Answers to those sorts of questions helped us to form our conclusions.

We also considered prevention.  What are the safeguards that would prevent this sort of activity from happening?  If precautions are in place, we could conclude that it is less likely that the activity is happening.  If they are not in place, then the possibility that the activity is happening increases.

F. Elements of Proof and Disproof

a) General considerations

1) Human rights violations

China violates human rights in a variety of ways.  These violations are chronic and serious.  Besides Falun Gong, other prime targets of human rights violations are Tibetans, Christians, Uighurs, democracy activists and human rights defenders.  Rule of Law mechanisms in place to prevent human rights violations, such as an independent judiciary, access to counsel on detention, habeas corpus, the right to public trial, are absent in China. China, according to its constitution, is ruled by the Communist Party. It is not ruled by law. 

Communist China has had a history of massive, jaw dropping cruelty towards its own citizens.  The Communist regime has killed more innocents than Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia combined[1].  Girl children are killed, abandoned and neglected in massive numbers.  Torture is widespread.  The death penalty is both extensive and arbitrary.  China executes more people than all other countries combined. Religious belief is suppressed[2].

This pattern of human rights violations, like many other factors, does not in itself prove the allegations.  But it removes an element of disproof.  It is impossible to say of these allegations that it is out of step with an overall pattern of respect for human rights in China.  While the allegations, in themselves, are surprising, they are less surprising with a country that has the human rights record China does than they would be for many other countries.

When there are so many violations of human rights in China, it is invidious to point to only one victim.  We nonetheless draw the attention to the victimization of human rights lawyer Gao Zhisheng as an example or a case study.  It was Gao who wrote to us last summer, inviting us to come to China to investigate the stealing of vital organs from Falun Gong prisoners of conscience. No visa was subsequently issued by its embassy in Ottawa to do so; he was detained not long afterwards.

Gao wrote three open letters to President Hu and other leaders, protesting a range of abuses against the Falun Gong, including specific cases of torture and murder.  Gao also wrote about and condemned the extraction and sale of organs from Falun Gong practitioners. He expressed his willingness to join the Coalition to Investigate Organ Harvesting from Still Alive People[3].

He was convicted of inciting subversion and on December 2, 2006 given a three-year prison sentence. His removal to custody, however, was suspended for five years; his political rights were removed for a year by the Beijing court.  This repression of someone whose only concern is respect for human rights in general and the persecution of Falun Gong practitioners in particular in itself reinforces his concerns and ours. 

The International Olympic Committee, in 2001, awarded Beijing the 2008 Olympics.  Liu Jingmin, Vice President of the Beijing Olympic Bid, in April 2001, said: "By allowing Beijing to host the Games you will help the development of human rights."

Yet, the result has been just the opposite.  Amnesty International, in a statement released September 21, 2006 said:
          "In its latest assessment of the Chinese government's performance in four benchmark areas of human rights ahead of the Olympics, Amnesty International found that its overall record remained poor.  There has been some progress in reforming the death penalty system, but in other crucial areas the government's human rights record has deteriorated."

The international community, by carrying on with the Olympics in Beijing despite the deterioration of human rights in China in crucial areas, sends to China a message of impunity.  The impression China must get is that it does not matter how much it violates human rights; the international community seems not to care.

2) Health financing

When China moved from a socialist to a market economy, the health system was part of the shift.  From 1980, China began withdrawing government funds from the health sector, expecting the health system to make up the difference through charges to consumers of health services.  Since 1980, government spending dropped from 36% of all health care expenditure to 17%, while patients' out‑of‑pocket spending rocketed up from 20% to 59%.[4] A World Bank study reports that reductions in public health coverage were worsened by increases in cost by the private sector[5].

According to cardiovascular doctor Hu Weimin, the state funding for the hospital where he works is not enough to even cover staff salaries for one month. He stated: "Under the current system, hospitals have to chase profit to survive."  Human Rights in China reports: "Rural hospitals [have had] to invent ways to make money to generate sufficient revenue".[6]

The sale of organs became for hospitals a source of funding, a way to keep their doors open, and a means by which other health services could be provided to the community.
One could see how this dire need for funds might lead first to a rationalization that harvesting organs from prisoners who would be executed anyways was acceptable and second to a desire not to question too closely whether the donors wheeled in by the authorities really were prisoners sentenced to death.

3) Army financing

The military, like the health system, has gone from public financing to private enterprise.  The military in China is a conglomerate business.  This business is not corruption, a deviation from state policy.  It is state sanctioned, an approved means of raising money for military activities.  In 1985, then President Deng Xiaoping issued a directive allowing the People's Liberation Army units to earn money to make up the shortfall in their declining budgets.

Many of the transplant centres and general hospitals in China are military institutions, financed by organ transplant recipients.  Military hospitals operate independently from the Ministry of Health.  The financing they earn from organ transplants does more than pay the costs of these facilities.  The money is used to finance the overall military budget. 

There is, for instance, the Organ Transplant Center of the Armed Police General Hospital in Beijing.  This hospital boldly states:
          "Our Organ Transplant Center is our main department for making money. Its gross income in 2003 was 16,070,000 Yuan. From January to June of 2004 income was 13,570,000 Yuan.  This year (2004) there is a chance to break through 30,000,000 Yuan."[7]

Military involvement in organ harvesting extends into civilian hospitals.  Recipients often tell us that, even when they receive transplants in civilian hospitals, those conducting the operation are military personnel.

Here is one example.  When we were in Asia promoting our report, we met a man who in 2003 flew to Shanghai to obtain a new kidney for the $20,000 USD price negotiated before his departure. He was admitted to the No 1 Peoples' Hospital‑a civilian facility‑and during the ensuing two weeks four kidneys were brought for testing against his blood and other factors.  None proved compatible because of his anti‑bodies; all were taken away.

He subsequently went to his home country, returning to the hospital about two months later. Another four kidneys were similarly tested; when the eighth proved compatible, the transplant operation was successfully completed.  His eight days of convalescence was done at No 85 hospital of the Peoples' Liberation Army.  His surgeon was Dr. Tan Jianming of the Nanjing military region, who wore his army uniform at times in the civilian hospital.

Tan carried sheets of paper containing lists of prospective "donors”, based on various tissue and blood characteristics, from which he would select names.  The doctor was observed at various times to leave the hospital in uniform and return 2‑3 hours later with containers bearing kidneys.  Dr. Tan told the recipient that the eighth kidney came from an executed prisoner.

The military have access to prisons and prisoners.  Their operations are even more secretive than those of the civilian government.  They are impervious to the rule of law.

4) Corruption

Corruption is a major problem across China.  State institutions are sometimes run for the benefit of those in charge of them rather than for the benefit of the people. Occasionally, China engages in "Strike Hard" against corruption. 

But, in the absence of rule of law and democracy, where secrecy holds sway and public accounting of public funds is absent, these anti-corruption campaigns seem to be more power struggles than true anti-corruption drives.  They are attempts to placate public concern about corruption, politicized public relations drives.

The sale of organs is a money driven problem.  But that is different from saying that it is a corruption problem.  The sale of organs from unwilling donors combines hatred with greed.   A state policy of persecution is acted out in a financially profitable way.

Former Chinese president Deng Xiaoping said: "To get rich is glorious".  He did not say that some ways of getting rich are shameful.

Profiteering hospitals take advantage of a defenceless captive prison population in their regions.  The people are in prison without rights, at the disposition of the authorities.   The incitement to hatred against prisoners and their dehumanization means that they can be butchered and killed without qualms by those who buy into this official hate propaganda.

b) Considerations specific to organ harvesting

5) Technological development                  

Albert Einstein wrote:
          "The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of thinking...the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker."

Technological developments do not change human nature.  But they do change the ability to inflict harm.

The development of transplant surgery has done much to improve the ability of humanity to cope with failing organs.  But these developments in transplant surgery have not changed our way of thinking.

There is a tendency to think of any new medical development as a benefit to humanity.  That is certainly the intent of its developers.  But medical research, no matter how far advanced, comes face to face with the same old capacity for good and evil.

More advanced techniques in transplant surgery do not mean a more advanced Chinese political system.  The Chinese Communist system remains.  Developments in transplant surgery in China fall prey to the cruelty, the corruption, the repression which pervades China.  Advances in transplant surgery provide new means for old cadres to act out their venality and ideology.

We do not suggest that those who developed transplant surgery should instead have become watchmakers.  We do suggest that we should not be so naive as to think that just because transplant surgery was developed to do good, it can do no harm. 

On the contrary, the allegation made against the development of transplant surgery in China, that it is being used to harvest organs from unwilling Falun Gong practitioners, would be just the acting out, in a new context, of the lesson Albert Einstein was teaching.  We have seen before that modern technologies developed for the benefit of humanity have been perverted to inflict harm.  We should not be surprised if this has also happened to transplant surgery.               

6) Treatment of prisoners sentenced to death

Deputy Health Minister Huang Jiefu, speaking at a conference of surgeons in the southern city of Guangzhou in mid November 2006 acknowledged that executed prisoners sentenced to death are a source of organ transplants.  He said: "Apart from a small portion of traffic victims, most of the organs from cadavers are from executed prisoners."  Asia News wrote:
          "'Under‑the‑table business must be banned,' Mr Huang said cognizant that too often organs come from non consenting parties and are sold for high fees to foreigners."

China has the death penalty for a large number of offences including strictly political and economic crimes where there is no suggestion that the accused has committed a violent act.  To go from executing no one to killing Falun Gong practitioners for their organs without their consent is a large step.  To go from executing prisoners sentenced to death for political or economic crimes and harvesting their organs without their consent to killing Falun Gong practitioners for their organs without their consent is a good deal smaller step.

It would be difficult to believe that a state which killed no one, which had no death penalty, which harvested the organs of no one else without their consent, would harvest the organs of Falun Gong practitioners without their consent.  It is a good deal easier to believe that a state which executes prisoners sentenced to death for economic or political crimes and harvests their organs without their consent would also kill Falun Gong practitioners for their organs without their consent.

The Falun Gong constitutes a prison population who the Chinese authorities vilify, dehumanize, depersonalize, marginalize even more than executed prisoners sentenced to death for criminal offences.  Indeed, if one considers only the official rhetoric directed against the two populations, it would seem that the Falun Gong would be a target for organ harvesting even before prisoners sentenced to death.                   

7) Organ donations

China has no organized system of organ donations.[8] [9] In this it is unlike every other country engaged in organ transplant surgery. Donations from living donors are allowed for family members. 

We are told that there is a Chinese cultural aversion to organ donation.  Yet, Hong Kong and Taiwan, with essentially the same culture, have active organ donation programs.

The absence of an organ donation system in China tells us two things.  One is that organ donations are not a plausible source for organ transplants in China.

Because of the culture aversion to organ donation in China, even an active organ donation system would have difficult supplying the volume of transplants now occurring in China.   But the problem is compounded when there is not even an active effort to encourage donations.

Donations matter in other countries because donations are the primary source of organs for transplants.  We can conclude that from the absence of a serious effort to encourage donations in China that, for China, donations do not even matter. China has such a plethora of organs available for transplants without donations that encouraging organ donations becomes superfluous.

The absence of a serious effort to encourage organ donations in combination with short waiting times for transplant surgery in China and the large volume of transplants tells us that China is awash in living organs for transplant; people the authorities have ready on hand to be killed for their organs for transplants.  That reality does nothing to dispel the allegation of organ harvesting of unwilling Falun Gong practitioners. 

8) Waiting times

Hospital web sites in China advertise short waiting times for organ transplants. Transplants of long dead donors are not viable because of organ deterioration after death.  If we take these hospital's self‑promotions at face value, they tell us that there are a large number of people now alive who are available on demand as sources of organs. 

The waiting times for organ transplants for organ recipients in China are much lower than anywhere else. The China International Transplantation Assistant Centre website says, "It may take only one week to find out the suitable (kidney) donor, the maximum time being one month...”[10]. It goes further, "If something wrong with the donor's organ happens, the patient will have the option to be offered another organ donor and have the operation again in one week." [11] The site of the Oriental Organ Transplant Centre in early April, 2006, claimed that "the average waiting time (for a suitable liver) is 2 weeks." [12] The website of the Changzheng Hospital in Shanghai says: "...the average waiting time for a liver supply is one week among all the patients". [13]

In contrast, the median waiting time in Canada for a kidney was 32.5 months in 2003 and in British Columbia it was even longer at 52.5 months.[14]  The survival period for a kidney is between 24-48 hours and a liver about 12 hours.[15]  The presence of a large bank of living kidney-liver "donors" must be the only way China's transplant centres can assure such short waits to customers.  The astonishingly short waiting times advertised for perfectly-matched organs would suggest the existence of a large bank of live prospective 'donors'.    

9) Incriminating Information on Websites

Some of the material available on the websites of various transplant centres in China before March 9, 2006 (when allegations about large‑scale organ seizures resurfaced in Canadian and other world media) is also inculpatory. Understandably, a good deal of it has since been removed. So these comments will refer only to sites that can still be found at archived locations, with the site locations being identified either in the comments or as footnotes. A surprising amount of self‑accusatory material was still available as of the final week of June, 2006 to web browsers. We list here only four examples:

(1) China International Transplantation Network Assistance Centre Website
(Shenyang City)

This website as of May 17, 2006 indicated in the English version (the Mandarin one evidently disappeared after March 9) that the centre was established in 2003 at the First Affiliated Hospital of China Medical University "...specifically for foreign friends. Most of the patients are from all over the world." The opening sentence of the site [16]introduction declares that "Viscera (one dictionary definition: "soft interior organs...including the brain, lungs, heart etc") providers can be found immediately!"  On another page[17] on the same site is this statement: "...the number of kidney transplant operations is at least 5,000 every year all over the country. So many transplantation operations are owing to the support of the Chinese government. The supreme demotic court, supreme demotic law - officer, police, judiciary, department of health and civil administration have enacted a law together to make sure that organ donations are supported by the government. This is unique in the world."

In the 'question and answer' section of the site are found:
"Before the living kidney transplantation, we will ensure the donor's renal function...So it is more safe than in other countries, where the organ is not from a living donor." [18]
   . "Q: Are the organs for the pancreas transplant(ed) from brain death (sic) (dead) patients?"
     "A: Our organs do not come from brain death victims because the state of the organ may not be good." [19]

(2)Orient Organ Transplant Centre Website
(Tianjin City)

On a page we were informed was removed in mid-April (but can still be located as an archive 12) is the claim that from "January 2005 to now, we have done 647 liver transplants - 12 of them done this week; the average waiting time is 2 weeks." A chart also removed about the same time (but archive still available[20]) indicates that from virtually a standing start in 1998 (when it managed only 9 liver transplants) by 2005 it had completed fully 2248[21].

In contrast, according to the Canadian Organ Replacement Register 14, the total in Canada for all kinds of organ transplants in 2004 was 1773.

(3) Jiaotong University Hospital Liver Transplant Centre Website
(Shanghai ‑ This is #5 in the list of telephoned centres)

In a posting on April 26, 2006, [22]
(http://www.health.sohu.com/20060426/n243015842.shtml), the website says in part: "The liver transplant cases (here) are seven in 2001, 53 cases in 2002, 105 cases in 2003, 144 cases in 2004, 147 cases in 2005 and 17 cases in January, 2006," .

(4) Website of Changzheng Hospital Organ Transplant Centre, affiliated with No. 2 Military Medical University

A page was removed after March 9, 2006. (Internet Archive page is available.[23])  It contains the following graph depicting the number of liver transplant each year by this Centre:
In the "Liver Transplant Application" form [24], it states on the top, "...Currently, for the liver transplant, the operation fee and the hospitalization expense together is about 200,000 Yuan ($66,667 CND), and the average waiting time for a liver supply is one week among all the patients in our hospital...."

10) Donor recipient interviews

For the first version of our report, we did not have time to engage in donor recipient interviews, people who went to China from abroad for transplants.  For this version, we engaged in extensive interviews of a number of these recipients and their family members.  Summaries of their experience are attached as an appendix to this report.

Organ transplant surgery, as described by the recipients and their relatives, is conducted in almost total secrecy, as if it were a crime which needed cover up.  As much information as possible is withheld from the recipients and their families.  They are not told the identity of the donors.  They are never shown written consents from the donors or their families.  The identity of the operating doctor and support staff are often not disclosed, despite requests for this information.  Recipients and their families are commonly told the time of the operation only shortly before it occurs.  Operations sometimes occur in the middle of the night.  The whole procedure is done on a "don't ask, don't tell" basis.

When people act as if they have something to hide, it is reasonable to conclude that they have something to hide.  Since organ sourcing from prisoners sentenced to death is widely known and even acknowledged by the Government of China, Chinese transplant hospitals can not be trying to hide that.  It must be something else.  What is it?

11) The money to be made

In China, organ transplanting is a very profitable business.  We can trace the money of the people who pay for organ transplants to specific hospitals which do organ transplants, but we can not go further than that.  We do not know who gets the money the hospitals receive.  Are doctors and nurses engaged in criminal organ harvesting paid exorbitant sums for their crimes?  That was a question it was impossible for us to answer, since we had no way of knowing where the money went.

China International Transplantation Network Assistance Centre Website
(Shenyang City)
Before its indicated removal from the site [25] in April, 2006, the size of the profits for transplants was suggested in the following price list:
Kidney US$62,000
Liver US$98,000-130,000
Liver-kidney US$160,000-180,000
Kidney-pancreas US$150,000
Lung US$150,000-170,000
Heart US$130,000-160,000
Cornea US$30,000

A standard way of investigating any crime allegation where money changes hands is to follow the money trail.  But for China, its closed doors mean that following the money trail is impossible.  Not knowing where the money goes proves nothing.  But it also disproves nothing, including these allegations.

12) Chinese transplant ethics

Chinese transplant professionals are not subject to any ethical strictures separate from the laws which govern their work.  Many other countries have self governing transplant professions with their own disciplinary systems.  Transplant professionals who violate ethical guidelines can be ejected from their profession by their colleagues without any state intervention.

For transplant professionals in China, we found nothing of the sort.  When it comes to transplant surgery, as long as the state does not intervene, anything goes.  There is no independent supervisory body exercising disciplinary control over transplant professionals independent of the state.

The Wild West system of transplant surgery in China makes it easier for abusive practices to occur.  State involvement and criminal prosecution are inevitably less systematic than professional discipline.   Because the penalties for criminal prosecution are greater than the penalties for professional discipline - potential jail time rather than just barring someone from the profession - prosecution cases are more rare than discipline cases.

The absence of a functioning transplant professional discipline system does not mean that abuses are occurring.  But it certainly makes it more likely that they will occur.

13) Foreign transplant ethics

There are huge gaps in foreign transplant ethics.  In many of the countries from which transplant tourism to China originates, transplant professionals have organized ethical and disciplinary systems.  But it is rare for these systems to deal specifically with either transplant tourism or contact with Chinese transplant professionals or transplants from executed prisoners.   The watch words here seem to be "out of sight, out of mind".

On transplant tourism, the Professional Code of Conduct of the Medical Council of Hong Kong has two principles, in particular, worth emphasizing.  One is that, "if there is doubt" as to whether the consent is given freely or voluntarily by the donor, the profession should have nothing to do with the donation.  And, the very least one can say about China, in light of the fact that "almost all" transplants come from prisoners, is that there is doubt in almost every case whether the consent is given freely or voluntarily by the donor.

The second is that the onus is on the foreign professionals to ascertain the status of the Chinese donor.  The foreign professional is not acting ethically as long as he or she makes no inquiries or only cursory ones.  The foreign professional, after investigation, has to be satisfied beyond any doubt before referring a patient to China that consent was given freely or voluntarily by the donor.

The organ harvesting market in China, in order to thrive, requires both a supply and a demand.  The supply comes from China, from prisoners.  But the demand, in large part, in big bucks, comes from abroad. 

In an appendix, we present a critical analysis of the ethics of contact with China on transplants.  The Hong Kong principles are the exception rather than the rule.  Global professional ethics do little or nothing to staunch the foreign demand for organs from China.

14) Chinese transplant laws

Until July 1st, 2006, the practice of selling organs in China was legal.  A law banning their sale came into effect on that date. 

In China there is a huge gap between enacting legislation and enforcing it. To take one example, the preamble of the Constitution of China promises for China a "high level" of democracy.  But, as the Tiananmen square massacre demonstrated, China is not democratic.

Indeed from what we can tell, the law on organ transplants is not now being enforced.  Belgian Senator Patrik Vankrunkelsven, in late November 2006, called two different hospitals in Beijing pretending to be a customer for a kidney transplant.  Both hospitals offered him a kidney on the spot for 50,000 euros.

As noted earlier, Deputy Health Minister Huang Jiefu in November 2006 decried the selling of organs from executed prisoners sentenced to death saying "Under‑the‑table business must be banned".  Yet, it was already banned, on July 1.   His speech must be taken as an official acknowledgment that the ban is not working. 

15) Foreign transplant laws

The sort of transplants in which the Chinese medical system engages is illegal everywhere else in the world.  But it is not illegal for a foreigner in any country to go to China, benefit from a transplant which would be illegal back home, and then return home.  Foreign transplant legislation everywhere is territorial.  It does not have extraterritorial reach.

Many other laws are global in their sweep.  For instance, child sex tourists can be prosecuted not just in the country where they have sex with children, but, in many countries, back home as well.  This sort of legislation does not exist for transplant tourists who pay for organ transplants without bothering to determine whether the organ donor has consented.

There have been some legislative initiatives. For instance, Belgian Senator Patrik Vankrunkelsven is proposing an extraterritorial criminal law which would penalize transplant tourists who purchase organs abroad where the donors are prisoners or missing persons.   But these legislative proposals are still in an early stage.

16) Travel Advisories

Many states have travel advisories, warning their citizens of the perils in travel to one country to another.  The advisories often warn of political violence, or even weather related problems.  But no government has posted a travel advisory about organ transplants in China, warning its citizens that, in the words of The Transplantation Society, "almost all" organs in China come from prisoners.

Some, and we would hope, many would-be recipients of organ transplants would hesitate to go to China for transplants if they knew that their organs were coming from people who were non-consenting prisoners.  But right now there is no systematic communication to would be recipients of the source of organs in China, either through governments or the medical profession

For instance, the Canadian travel advisory for China, posted on the Foreign Affairs web site gives extensive information, almost 2,600 words, and has a section about health.  But organ transplants are not mentioned.

17) Pharmaceuticals

Organ transplantation surgery relies on anti-rejection drugs.  China imports these drugs from the major pharmaceutical companies.

Transplant surgery used to require both tissue and blood type matching for the transplant to succeed.  The development of transplant anti-rejection drugs has allowed for transplant surgery to circumvent tissue matching.  It is possible, with heavy use of anti-rejection drugs, to transplant from a donor to a recipient whose tissues do not match.  Only blood type matching is essential.  Tissue matching is preferable, to avoid heavy reliance on anti-rejection drugs, but no longer essential.  The Chinese medical system relies heavily on anti-rejection drugs.

International pharmaceutical companies behave towards the Chinese transplantation system the same way everyone else does.  They ask no questions.  They have no knowledge whether their drugs are being used in recipients who received organs from involuntary donor prisoners or not.

Many countries have export control acts, forbidding the export of some products altogether and requiring state permission for the export of other products.  But no state, to our knowledge, prohibits export to China of anti-rejection drugs used for organ transplant patients.

For instance, the Canadian Export and Import Permits Act provides:
          "No person shall export or attempt to export any goods included in an Export Control List or any goods to any country included in an Area Control List except under the authority of and in accordance with an export permit issued under this Act."[26]
But anti-rejection drugs for transplants are not included in the Area Control list for China.

18) Foreign state funding for care

Some state administered health plans pay for health care abroad in the amount that would be paid if the care were administered in the home country.  Where that happens, there is not, to our knowledge, in any country a prohibition of payment where the patient obtains an organ transplant in China.

Transplant tourists need aftercare in their home country.  They continue to need prescription and administration of anti-rejection drugs.  States which provide government funding for health services typically provide funding for this sort of after care.

Again here, to the funders how the organ recipient got the organ is a matter of indifference.  The fact that the organ may have came from an unconsenting prisoner in China who was killed for the organ is simply not relevant to foreign state funding of aftercare for the recipient.

c) Considerations specific to Falun Gong

19) A perceived threat 

The overwhelming majority of prisoners of conscience in Chinese prisons are Falun Gong.  An estimated two thirds of the torture victims in Chinese prisons are Falun Gong.  The extremes of language the Chinese regime uses against the Falun Gong are unparalleled, unmatched by the comparatively mild criticisms China has of the victims the West is used to defending.  The documented yearly arbitrary killings and disappearances of Falun Gong exceed by far the totals for any other victim group.

Why does the Chinese government denounce so viciously and repress so brutally this one group, more so than any other victim group?  The standard Chinese refrain about the Falun Gong is that it is an evil cult. 

Falun Gong has none of the characteristics of a cult.  It has no memberships, no offices and no officers. 

David Ownby, Director of the Centre of East Asian studies at the University of Montreal and a specialist in modern Chinese history, wrote about the Falun Gong in a paper prepared six years ago for the Canadian Institute of International Affairs.  He stated that unlike cults, Falun Gong has no mandatory financial obligations, isolation of practitioners in communes or withdrawal from the world.  He says:
          "Falun Gong members remain within society. In a vast majority, they live within nuclear families. They go to work; they send their kids to school." [27]

There is no penalty for leaving the Falun Gong, since there is nothing to leave.  Practitioners are free to practice Falun Gong as little or as much as they see fit.  They can start and stop at any time.  They can engage in their exercises in groups or singly.

Li Hongzhi, the author of the books which inspired Falun Gong practitioners, is not worshipped by practitioners.  Nor does he receive funds from practitioners.  He is a private person who meets rarely with practitioners.  His advice to practitioners is publicly available information - conference lectures and published books.

The Chinese government labelling of the Falun Gong as an evil cult is a component of the repression of the Falun Gong, a pretext for that repression as well as a defamation, incitement to hatred, depersonalization, marginalization and dehumanization of the Falun Gong.  But this labelling does not explain why that repression arose.  The "evil cult" label is a manufactured tool of repression, but not its cause.  The cause lies elsewhere.

In order to enforce conformity, Chinese exercise regimes or qigong in all their variations were suppressed in 1949 after the Chinese Communist Party seized office. By the 1990s, the police state environment had become less oppressive for all forms of qigong, including Falun Gong.

Falun Gong includes elements of Confucianism, Buddhism and Taoism. In essence, it teaches methods of meditation through exercises intended to improve physical and spiritual health and fitness. The movement has no political platform; its followers seek to promote truth, tolerance and forbearance across racial, national and cultural boundaries.  Violence is anathema.

Li registered his movement with the government's Qigong Research Association. At a time when the movement was falling into official disfavour but before it was banned, in early 1998, Li moved to the United States.  But Falun Gong continued to flourish.  The Jiang government estimated in 1999 that there were 70 million adherents.  That year, the Communist Party of China membership was an estimated 60 million.

Before Falun Gong was banned in July, 1999, its adherents gathered regularly throughout China to do their exercises.  In Beijing alone there were more than 2000 practice stations.

The Communist Party, in April 1999, published an article in the magazine Science and Technology for Youth, which singled out Falun Gong as a superstition and a health risk because practitioners might refuse conventional medical treatments for serious illnesses. A large number of Falun Gong adherents demonstrated against the contents of the piece outside the Tianjin editor's office. Arrests and police beatings resulted.

To petition the Government Petition Office in Beijing about these arrests, on April 25th, 1999, 10,000‑15,000 Falun Gong practitioners gathered from dawn until late at night outside the Communist Party headquarters at Zhongnanhai next to Beijing's Forbidden City.  The gathering was silent, without posters[28].  Jiang was alarmed by the presence of these petitioners. The ideological supremacy of the Communist Party was, in his view, in danger.

20) A policy of persecution

If organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners were widespread across China, one would expect some governmental policy directive to that effect.  Yet, the secrecy of policy formulation in China prevents us from determining whether such a policy exists.

Nonetheless, we do know that persecution of Falun Gong exists as an official policy.  There are some very strong policy statements, attached as an appendix to this report, by the Government of China and the Communist Party of China, calling for the persecution of the Falun Gong, including physical persecution.

The Government of China set up a dedicated bureaucracy assigned with the task of repressing the Falun Gong.  This dedicated bureaucracy has representatives throughout China.  Because it was established on the tenth day of the six month of 1999, it is called, in shorthand, the 610 office.   The 610 office has representatives in every province, city, county, university, government department and government-owned business in China.

According to Li Baigen, then assistant director of the Beijing Municipal Planning office who attended the meeting, during 1999 the three men heading the 610 office called more than 3,000 officials to the Great Hall of the People in the capital to discuss the campaign against Falun Gong, which was then not going well. Demonstrations were continuing to occur at Tiananmen Square. The head of the 610 office, Li Lanqing, verbally announced the government's new policy on the movement: "defaming their reputations, bankrupting them financially and destroying them physically."  Only after this meeting were the deaths of adherents at police hands recorded as suicides.

21) Incitement to hatred

The Falun Gong in China are dehumanized both in word and deed. Policy directives are matched by incitement to the population at large both to justify the policy of persecution, to recruit participants, and to forestall opposition. This sort of vocabulary directed against a particular group has become both the precursor and the hallmark of gross human violations directed against the group. 

According to Amnesty International, the Chinese Government adopted three strategies to crush Falun Gong: violence against practitioners who refuse to renounce their beliefs; "brainwashing" to force all known practitioners to abandon Falun Gong and renounce it, and a media campaign to turn public opinion against Falun Gong. [29]

Local governments were authorized to implement Beijing's orders to repress the Falun Gong. Implementation meant, in part, staged attempts to demonstrate to China's population that practitioners committed suicide by self-immolation, killed and mutilated family members and refused medical treatment.  Over time this campaign had the desired effect and many, if not most, Chinese nationals came to accept the Communist Party view about Falun Gong.  The National People's Congress then passed laws purporting to legalize a long list of illegal acts done by Falun Gong practitioners against other practitioners.

This incitement to hatred is most acute in China.  But it exists worldwide.  Chinese officials, wherever they are posted, engage in this incitement as part and parcel of their official duties.  In Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, this behaviour became the subject of a police recommendation for prosecution of two Chinese consular officials in Calgary for wilful promotion of hatred against the Falun Gong.  The police report is attached as an exhibit to this report[30].

Incitement to hatred is not specific enough to indicate the form that persecution takes. But it promotes any and all violations of the worst sort.  It is hard to imagine the allegations we have heard being true in the absence of this sort of hate propaganda.  Once this sort of incitement exists, the fact that people would engage in such behaviour against the Falun Gong ‑ harvesting their organs and killing them in the process ‑ ceases to be implausible.

22) Physical persecution

Former president Jiang's mandate to the 610 office[31] was to "eradicate" Falun Gong[32].  An appendix gives extensive detail about this attempt at eradication through persecution.

The UN Special Rapporteur on Torture's recent report [33] noted that
          "Since 2000, the Special Rapporteur and his predecessors have reported 314 cases of alleged torture to the Government of China. These cases represent well over 1,160 individuals." And "In addition to this figure, it is to be noted that one case sent in 2003 (E/CN.4/2003/68/Add.1 para. 301) detailed the alleged ill treatment and torture of thousands of Falun Gong practitioners." 

Furthermore, the report indicated that 66% of the victims of alleged torture and ill‑treatment in China were Falun Gong practitioners, with the remaining victims comprising Uighurs (11%), sex workers (8%), Tibetans (6%), human rights defenders (5%), political dissidents (2%), and others (persons infected with HIV/AIDS and members of religious groups 2%).

Part of a wire story from the Beijing bureau of the Washington Post fully two summers later (5 Aug 2001) [34] illustrates the severity of the ongoing methods of the 610 office and other agents of the regime against Falun Gong practitioners:
          "At a police station in western Beijing, Ouyang was stripped and interrogated for five hours. 'If I responded incorrectly, that is if I didn't say, 'yes,' they shocked me with the electric truncheon,' he said. Then, he was transferred to a labour camp in Beijing's western suburbs. There, the guards ordered him to stand facing a wall. If he moved, they shocked him. If he fell down from fatigue, they shocked him..."

          "(Later) he was taken before a group of Falun Gong inmates and rejected the group one more time as the video cameras rolled. Ouyang left jail and entered the brainwashing classes. Twenty days after debating Falun Gong for 16 hours a day, he 'graduated'. 'The pressure on me was and is incredible,' he said. 'In the past two years, I have seen the worst of what man can do. We really are the worst animals on Earth.'"

Ownby noted that human rights organizations
          "have unanimously condemned China's brutal campaign against the Falungong, and many governments around the world, including Canada's, have expressed their concern."
He cited Amnesty International's report of 2000 which noted that 77 Falun Gong practitioners had "died in custody, or shortly after release, in suspicious circumstances since the crackdown began in July 1999."             

23) Massive arrests                

Massive arrests of practitioners are a form of physical persecution which deserves separate attention because of its potential link to organ harvesting.  Any person organ harvested against his or her will has to be detained first.

Repression of Falun Gong included sending thousands upon thousands of its practitioners to prisons and labour camps beginning in the summer of 1999. The US State Department's 2005 country report on China [35], for example, indicates that its police run hundreds of detention centres, with the 340 re-education-through-labour ones alone having a holding capacity of about 300,000 persons. The report also indicates that the number of Falun Gong practitioners who died in custody was estimated to be from a few hundred to a few thousand.

Hundreds of thousands of Falun Gong practitioners travelled to Beijing to protest or to unfold banners calling for the group's legalization. People came almost daily. Author Jennifer Zeng, formerly of Beijing and now living in Australia, informs us that by the end of April 2001 there had been approximately 830,000 arrests in Beijing of Falun Gong adherents who had been identified.  There are no statistics available of practitioners who were arrested but refused to self identify.  From our interviews with released Falun Gong practitioners we know that the number of those who did not self identify is large.  But we do not know how large.

Large numbers of Falun Gong adherents in arbitrary indefinite secret detention alone do not prove the allegations.  But the opposite, the absence of such a pool of detainees, would undermine the allegations.  An extremely large group of people subject to the exercise of the whims and power of the state, without recourse to any form of protection of their rights, provides a potential source for organ harvesting of the unwilling.

24) Deaths

As of December 22, 2006, we have identified 3006 Falun Gong practitioners who died as a result of persecution.  These identified victims can be gathered into six groups. 

One group is the victims who died from stress related causes precipitated by constant harassment and threats from the authorities.  A second is those mistreated in detention and then released alive to their families, but who died subsequently of their mistreatment.  The third group is the victims who died in detention of torture and whose bodies were released by the authorities to the family for cremation.  The fourth is the victims who died in detention of mistreatment and were cremated while still detained, but whose families got to see the bodies in between death and cremation.  The fifth is the victims who died and were cremated in detention without the families ever seeing the bodies.  The sixth is the victims who died in detention but we do not have enough information to determine whether the families saw the bodies before cremation.

The bulk of the possible Falun Gong victims of organ harvesting are, from what we can tell, those whose families were not notified of the deaths of their loved ones.  This failure to notify had two causes.  One was that the practitioners refused to identify themselves to the authorities.  The other was that the authorities, though they knew who the practitioners were, refused to notify the families of their detention; as well, these practitioners were not, before death, allowed to contact their families. 

However, we can not exclude the possibility that the fifth and sixth group of the identified dead were also victims of organ harvesting.  This group numbers about 300.  The fifth group in particular raise suspicions.  Their names are listed in an appendix.

The large number of Falun Gong practitioners killed by the authorities through torture supports the allegation we are investigating.  When the life of Falun Gong practitioners is cheap, there is no particular reason to rule out one cause of death.  If the Government  of China is willing to kill large number of Falun Gong practitioners through torture, it is not that hard to believe they would be willing to do the same through organ harvesting.

25) Unidentified  

Falun Gong detentions, though in some ways they are just Chinese repression as usual with the Falun Gong being the unlucky targets, present an unusual feature.  Falun Gong practitioners who came from all over the country to Tiananmen Square in Beijing to appeal or protest were systematically arrested.  Those who revealed their identities to their captors would be shipped back to their home localities. Their families would be implicated in their Falun Gong activities and pressured to join in the effort to get the practitioners to renounce Falun Gong. Their workplace leaders, their co-workers, their local government leaders would be held responsible and penalized for the fact that these individuals had gone to Beijing to appeal or protest. 

To protect their families and avoid the hostility of the people in their locality, many detained Falun Gong declined to identify themselves.  The result was a large Falun Gong prison population whose identities the authorities did not know.  As well, no one who knew them knew where they were.

Though this refusal to identify themselves was done for protection purposes, it may have had the opposite effect.  It is easier to victimize a person whose whereabouts is unknown to family members than a person whose location the family knows. This population is a remarkably undefended group of people, even by Chinese standards.

Those who refused to self identify were treated especially badly. As well, they were moved around within the Chinese prison system for reasons not explained to the prisoners.

Was this a population which became a source of harvested Falun Gong organs?  Obviously, the mere existence of this population does not tell us that this is so.  Yet, the existence of this population provides a ready explanation for the source of harvested organs, if the allegations are true.  Members of this population could just disappear without anyone outside of the prison system being the wiser. 

For the authors, the investigations which led to this report had many chilling moments.  One of the most disturbing was the discovery of this massive prison/detention/labour camp population of the unidentified.  Practitioner after practitioner who eventually was released from detention told us about this population.  A collection of some of their statements is attached as an exhibit.

What these practitioners told us was that they personally met the unidentified in detention, in significant numbers.   Though we have met many Falun Gong practitioners who were released from Chinese detention, we have yet to meet or hear of, despite their large numbers, a practitioner released from detention who refused to self identify in detention from the beginning to the end of the detention period.  What happened to these many practitioners?  Where are they?

The problem of enforced disappearances is distinguishable from the problem of the unidentified, because, in the case of enforced disappearances, families know that the state is involved.  For the unidentified, all the families know is that they have lost track of a loved one.  For those victims of enforced disappearances, the families or witnesses know more.  They know that the person was at one time in the custody of the state.  The state either refuses to acknowledge that the person was ever in their custody or conceals the fate or whereabouts of the person[36].

There are some Falun Gong practitioners who have disappeared, abducted by the authorities.  However, the only disappearances case of which we know are people who were subsequently released and then spoke of their abduction.  We know that these victims were made to disappear only after the fact, once they reappeared. It is likely that there are other such practitioners who were never released. 

For the unidentified, because family members know only that they have lost contact with a loved one, they do not necessarily turn to the state to ask if the person has been detained.  When the person who is missing is the adherent to a practise which is brutally repressed by the state, the tendency of the family to avoid the government is heightened.  Nonetheless a few have sought out Chinese government help to find a missing Falun Gong practitioner family member.  Some of those cases are listed in an appendix to this report.

26) Blood testing and organ examination

Falun Gong practitioners in detention are systematically blood tested and organ examined.  Other prisoners, who are not practitioners, sitting side by side, with practitioners are not tested.  This differential testing occurs in labour camps, prisons and detention centres.  We have heard such a large number of testimonials to this effect that this differential testing exists beyond a shadow of a doubt.  These tests and examination happen whether practitioners are held at labour camps, prisons or detention centres.  Interview statements testifying to systematic blood testing and organ examination of Falun Gong practitioners to the exclusion of other prisoners are attached as an appendix to this report.

The practitioners themselves are not told the reason for the testing and examination.  It is unlikely that the testing and examination serves a health purpose.  For one, it is unnecessary to blood test and organ examine people systematically simply as a health precaution.  For another, the health of the Falun Gong in detention is disregarded in so many other ways, it is implausible that the authorities would blood test and organ examine Falun Gong as a precautionary health measure.

Blood testing is a pre‑requisite for organ transplants.  Donors need to be matched with recipients so that the antibodies of the recipients do not reject the organs of the donors.

The mere fact of blood testing and organ examination does not establish that organ harvesting of Falun Gong practitioners is taking place.  But the opposite is true.  If there were no blood testing, the allegation would be disproved.  The widespread blood testing of Falun Gong practitioners in detention cuts off this avenue of disproof. 

27) Sources of past transplants

The numbers of organ transplants in China is huge, up to 20,000 in 2005 according to China Daily.  China has the second largest number of operations done in the world, just after USA.

The large volumes coupled with the short waiting times means that  there has to be a large number of potential donors on hand at any one time.  Where is and who is this large donor population?

There are many more transplants than identifiable sources.  We know that some organs come from prisoners sentenced to death and then executed.  Very few come from willing donor family members and the brain dead.  But these sources leave huge gaps in the totals.  The number of prisoners sentenced to death and then executed and willing sources come nowhere close to the number of transplants.

The number of prisoners sentenced to death and then executed is itself not public.  We are operating only from numbers provided by Amnesty International sourced from Chinese public records.  Those numbers, when one considers global execution totals, are large, but nowhere near the estimated totals of transplants.

At least 98% of the organs for transplants come from someone other than family donors.9 In the case of kidneys, for example, only 227 of 40,393 transplants - about 0.6% - done between 1971 and 2001 in China came from family donors. [37]

The government of China admitted to using the organs of prisoners sentenced to death and then executed only in 2005 [38] [39], although it had been going on for many years. The regime has had no barriers to prevent marketing the organs of "enemies of the state".

According to tabulations constructed from the Amnesty International reports [40] of publicly available information in China, the average number of prisoners sentenced to death and then executed between 1995 and 1999 was 1680 per year. The average between 2000 and 2005, was 1616 per year.  The numbers have bounced around from year to year, but the overall average number for the periods before and after Falun Gong persecution began is the same.  Execution of prisoners sentenced to death can not explain the increase of organ transplants in China since the persecution of Falun Gong began.

According to public reports, there were approximately 30,000 [41] transplants in total done in China before 1999 and 18,500 [42] 4141 in the six year period 1994 to 1999. Shi Bingyi, vice‑chair of the China Medical Organ Transplant Association, says there were about 90,000 [43] transplants in total up until 2005, leaving about 60,000 transplants in the six year period 2000 to 2005 since the persecution of Falun Gong began. 

The other identified sources of organ transplants, willing family donors and the brain dead, have always been tiny.  In 2005, living-related kidney transplants consisted of 0.5% of total transplants [44].  The total of brain dead donors for all years and all of China is 9 up to March 2006 4444 [45].  There is no indication of a significant increase in either of these categories in recent years.  Presumably the identified sources of organ transplants which produced 18,500 organ transplants in the six year period 1994 to 1999 produced the same number of organs for transplants in the next six year period 2000 to 2005.  That means that the source of 41,500 transplants for the six year period 2000 to 2005 is unexplained.

Where do the organs come from for all the transplants in China?  The allegation of organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners provides an answer.

Again this sort of gap in the figures does not establish that the allegation of harvesting of organs from Falun Gong practitioners is true.  But the converse, a full explanation of the source of all organ transplants, would disprove the allegation.  If the source of all organ transplants could be traced either to willing donors or executed prisoners, then the allegation against the Falun Gong would be disproved.  But such tracing is impossible.

Estimates of executions in China of prisoners sentenced to death are often much higher than the figures based on publicly available records of executions.  There is no official Chinese reporting on overall statistics of executions, leaving totals open to estimation.

One technique some of those involved in estimating executions have used is the number of transplant operations.  Because it is known that at least some transplants come from executed prisoners and that family donors are few and far between, some analysts have deduced from the number of transplants that execution of prisoners sentenced to death have increased.

This reasoning is unpersuasive.  One cannot estimate execution of prisoners sentenced to death from transplants unless executions of prisoners sentenced to death are the only alleged source of transplants.  Yet, Falun Gong practitioners are another alleged source.  It is impossible to conclude that those practitioners are not a source of organs for transplants because of the number of executions of prisoners sentenced to death where the number of executions of prisoners sentenced to death is deduced from the number of transplants.

Can the increase in transplants be explained by increased efficiency in harvesting from prisoners sentenced to death and then executed?  The increase in transplants in China paralleled both the persecution of the Falun Gong and the development of some transplant technology.  But the increase in transplants did not parallel the increase of all transplant technology.  Kidney transplant technology was fully developed in China long before the persecution of Falun Gong began.  Yet kidney transplants shot up, more than doubling once the persecution of Falun Gong started.  There were 3,596 37 kidney transplants in 1998 and nearly 10,000 in 2005 43

A second reason that multiple organ harvesting from executed prisoners sentenced to death does not explain the increase in organ transplants is overall disorganization of organ matching in China.  There is no national network for the matching and sharing of organs.[46] Doctors decry the wastage of organs from donors, bemoaning the fact that “only kidneys were used from donors, wasting of other organs” 46 . Each hospital manages its own organ supply and waiting list.  Patients go from one hospital where there are no ready organs for transplants to other hospitals were transplant surgery takes place at once. [47] Hospitals refer patients from their own hospital where they say they have no readily available organs for transplant to another hospital which they say does have organs for transplant. [48] This disorganization diminishes the efficient use of organs.

A third reason that multiple organ harvesting from executed prisoners sentenced to death does not explain the increase in organ transplants is the experience elsewhere.  Nowhere have transplants jumped so significantly with the same number of donors, simply because of a change in technology.  Year by year statistics for Canada, the United States and Japan are set out in an appendix.

The increase in organ transplants in China parallels the increase in persecution of the Falun Gong.  These parallel increases of Falun Gong persecution and transplants, in themselves, do not prove the allegation.  But they are consistent with the allegation.  If the parallel did not exist, that hypothetical non‑existence would undercut the allegations.

28) Sources of future transplants

Organ transplant surgery in China is a booming business.  There were only 22 liver transplant centres [49] operating across China before 1999 and 500 in mid - April, 2006 88 [50]. The number of kidney transplantation institutions increased from 106[51] in 2001 to 368[52] in 2005.

The money to be made has led to the creation of dedicated facilities, specializing in organ transplants.  There is the Peking University Third Hospital Liver Transplantation Centre[53]founded in October 2002, the Beijing Organ Transplantation Centre [54] established in November 2002, the Organ Transplant Centre of the People's Liberation Army Number 309 Hospital [55]  established in April 2002, the People's Liberation Army Organ Transplant Research Institute [56]  (Organ Transplant Centre of the Shanghai Changzheng Hospital) established in May 2004 and the Shanghai Clinical Medical Centre[57] for Organ Transplants established in 2001.  The Oriental Organ Transplant Centre [58] in Tianjin began construction in 2002.  It is fourteen floors above ground and two floors underground with 300 beds. It is a public facility, built by Tianjin City.  It is the largest transplant centre in Asia.

The establishment of these facilities is both an indicator of the volume of organ transplants and a commitment to their continuation.  The creation of whole facilities dedicated to organ transplants bespeaks long term planning.

Yet, the organ source for virtually all Chinese transplants is prisoners.  There is a debate which this report addresses whether these prisoners have all previously been sentenced to death or whether some of them are detained Falun Gong practitioners who have been sentenced to jail terms only or not sentenced at all.  But there is no debate over whether the sources of organs are prisoners; that much is incontestable.  The establishment of dedicated organ transplant facilities in China is an overt assertion of the intent to continue organ harvesting from prisoners.

Yet, the Government of China has, both in law and through official statements, said that it would cease organ harvesting from prisoners sentenced to death who do not consent to organ harvesting.  And, as set out elsewhere in this report, there is no such thing as meaningful consent to organ harvesting from a prisoner sentenced to death.

The creation of these dedicated facilities raises the question not only what has been the source for so many organs transplanted in the past, but, as well, what will be the source for so many organs which China intends to transplant in the future?  From whom will these organs come?  The source of prisoners sentenced to death will presumably disappear or diminish substantially if China is genuine in applying to this population its law and stated policy about requiring consent of donors.

The Chinese authorities, to build these dedicated organ transplant institutions, must have the confidence that there exists now and into the foreseeable future a ready source of organs from people who are alive now and will be dead tomorrow.  Who are these people?  A large prison population of Falun Gong practitioners provides an answer.

29) Corpses with missing organs

A number of family members of Falun Gong practitioners who died in detention reported seeing the corpses of their loved ones with surgical incisions and body parts missing.  The authorities gave no coherent explanation for these mutilated corpses.  Again the evidence about these mutilated corpses is attached as an appendix to this report.

We have only a few instances of such mutilated corpses.  We have no official explanation why they were mutilated. Their mutilation is consistent with organ harvesting. 

In the first version of our report, appendix twelve had a photo of a person with stitches after his body was cut open to remove organs.  One comment we received back is that the stitches the photos show are consistent with an autopsy.

We observe that organs may indeed be removed for autopsies in order to determine the cause of death.  A corpse which has been autopsied may well have stitches similar to those shown in the photo.  Outside of China, except for organ donors, that is likely the reason why organs would be removed from a corpse.  Similarly, outside of China, when people are blood tested, typically, the test is done for their own health.  However, the suggestion that Falun Gong practitioners who are tortured to the point of death are blood tested for their health or that practitioners who are tortured to death are autopsied to determine the cause of death belies the torture experience. 

The corpse whose photo we reproduced was that of Wang Bin.  Beatings caused the artery in Mr. Wang's neck and major blood vessels to break. As a result, his tonsils were injured, his lymph nodes were crushed, and several bones were fractured. He had cigarette burns on the backs of his hands and inside his nostrils. There were bruises all over his body. Even though he was already close to death, he was tortured again at night. He finally lost consciousness.  On the night of October 4, 2000, Mr. Wang died from his injuries.

The purpose of an autopsy report is to determine the cause of death when the cause is otherwise unknown.   But in the case of Wang Bin, the cause of death was known before his organs were removed. The suggestion that Wang Bin would be autopsied to determine the cause of death after he was tortured to death is not plausible. There was no indication that the family of Wang Bin was asked for consent before the organs of the victim were removed nor provided an autopsy report afterwards.  The suggestion of an autopsy is not a tenable explanation for the stitches on Wang Bin's body. 

30) Admissions

Mandarin speaking investigators called in to a number of hospitals and transplant doctors to ask about transplants.  The callers presented themselves as potential recipients or relatives of potential recipients.  Phone numbers were obtained from the internet.  These calls resulted in a number of admissions that Falun Gong practitioners are the sources of organ transplants. Since our last report, there are further calls with admissions set out in an appendix.

If the phone numbers was a general number of a hospital, the callers usually started with asking to be connected to the transplant department of the hospital and they first spoke with whoever picked up the phone for some general information of transplant operations. Usually the person would help to locate a doctor or the chief‑physician of the transplant department to speak to the caller. If the doctor was not available, the caller would then call back to look for this specific doctor or chief‑physician next time she called and speak to the doctor, or chief physician.

Usually hospital staff talked to people (or family members) wanting organ transplants, and actively located relevant doctors for them.

Although callers always began by speaking to a hospital or a doctor, sometimes they were referred to prisons or courts, because these were the distribution points for harvested organs.  It may seem strange to call a court about organ availability; but systematic organ harvesting in China began with executed prisoners sentenced to death even if it did not end there.  It seems that the distribution point for organs from people in the prison system remained the same after China moved on from harvesting organs from prisoners sentenced to death to other prisoners.

One of the callers, "Ms. M", told one of us that in early March, 2006 she managed to get through to the Public Security Bureau in Shanxi. The respondent there told her that healthy and young prisoners are selected from the prison population to be organ donors.  If the candidates could not be tricked into providing the blood samples necessary for successful transplants, the official went on with guileless candour, employees of the office take the samples by force.

On March 18 or 19, 2006 M spoke to a representative of the Eye Department at the People's Liberation Army hospital in Shenyang in north-eastern China, although she was not able to make a full recorded transcript. Her notes indicate that the person identifying himself as the hospital director said the facility did "many cornea operations", adding that "we also have fresh corneas." Asked what that means, the director replied "...just taken from bodies".

At Army Hospital 301 in Beijing in April, 2006, a surgeon told M that she did liver transplants herself.  The surgeon added that the source of the organs was a "state secret" and that anyone revealing the source "could be disqualified from doing such operations."

In early June, 2006, an official at the Mishan city detention centre told a telephone caller that the centre then had at least five or six male Falun Gong prisoners under 40 years of age available as organ suppliers. A doctor at Shanghai's Zhongshan hospital in mid March of 2006 said that all of his organs come from Falun Gong practitioners. A doctor at Qianfoshan hospital in Shandong in March implied that he then had organs from Falun Gong persons and added that in April there would be "more of these kinds of bodies..." In May, Dr. Lu of the Minzu hospital in Nanning city said organs from Falun Gong practitioners were not available at his institution and suggested the caller call Guangzhou to get them. He also admitted that he earlier went to prisons to select healthy Falun Gong persons in their 30s to provide their organs.

In mid - March of 2006, Dr. Wang of Zhengzhou Medical University in Henan province agreed that "we pick all the young and healthy kidneys..." Dr. Zhu of the Guangzhou Military region hospital in April of 2006 said he then had some type B kidneys from Falun Gong, but would have "several batches" before May 1 and perhaps no more until May 20 or later. An official at the first detention centre in Qinhuangdao city in Liaoning province told a caller in mid May 2006 that she should call the Intermediate People's court to obtain Falun Gong kidneys. The same day, an official at that court said they had no Falun Gong live kidneys, but had had them in the past, specifically in 2001. Finally, the First Criminal Bureau of the Jinzhou people's court in May of 2006 told the caller that access to Falun Gong kidneys currently depended on "qualifications".

Director Song at the Tianjin city central hospital in mid March 2006 volunteered that his hospital had more than ten beating hearts. The caller asked if that meant "live bodies" and Song replied, "Yes it is so."  An official at the Wuhan city Tongji hospital two weeks later tells the caller that "(i)t's not a problem” for his institution when the caller says, "...we hope the kidney suppliers are alive. (We're) looking for live organ transplants from prisoners, for example, using living bodies from prisoners who practise Falun Gong, Is it possible?"

The map of China which follows indicates the regions where detention or hospital personnel have made admissions to telephone investigators:

Most of the excerpted phone call texts are in an appendix.  For illustration purposes, excerpts of three conversations follow:

(1) Mishan City Detention Centre, Heilongjiang province (8 June 2006):

M:      "Do you have Falun Gong [organ] suppliers? ..."
Li:      "We used to have, yes."
M:      "... what about now?"
Li:      "... Yes."
M:      "Can we come to select, or you provide directly to us?"
Li:      "We provide them to you."
M:      "What about the price?"
Li:      "We discuss after you come."
M:      "... How many [Falun Gong suppliers] under age 40 do you have?"
Li:      "Quite a few."
M:      "Are they male or female?"
Li:      "Male"
M:      "Now, for ... the male Falun Gong [prisoners], How many of them do you have?"
Li:      "Seven, eight, we have [at least] five, six now."
M:      "Are they from countryside or from the city?"
Li:      "countryside."

(2) Nanning City Minzu Hospital in Guangxi Autonomous Region
    (22 May 2006):

M:      "...Could you find organs from Falun Gong practitioners?"
Dr. Lu: "Let me tell you, we have no way to get (them). It's rather difficult to get it now in Guangxi. If you cannot wait, I suggest you go to Guangzhou because it's very easy for them to get the organs. They are able to look for (them) nation wide. As they are performing the liver transplant, they can get the kidney for you at the same time, so it's very easy for them to do. Many places where supplies are short go to them for help..."
M:      "Why is it easy for them to get?"
Lu:     "Because they are an important institution. They contact the (judicial) system in the name of the whole university."
M:      "Then they use organs from Falun Gong practitioners?"
Lu:     "Correct..."
M:      "...what you used before (organs from Falun Gong practitioners), was it from detention centre(s) or prison(s)?"
Lu:     "From prisons."
M:      "...and it was from healthy Falun Gong practitioners...?"
Lu:     "Correct. We would choose the good ones because we assure the quality in our operation."
M:      "That means you choose the organs yourself."
Lu:     "Correct..."
M:      "Usually, how old is the organ supplier?"
Lu:     "Usually in their thirties."
M:      "... Then you will go to the prison to select yourself?"
Lu:     "Correct. We must select it."
M:      "What if the chosen one doesn't want to have blood drawn?"
Lu:     "He will for sure let us do it."
M:      "How?"
Lu:     "They will for sure find a way. What do you worry about? These kinds of things should not be of any concern to you. They have their procedures."
M:      "Does the person know that his organ will be removed?"
Lu:     "No, he doesn't."

(3) Oriental Organ Transplant Centre (also called Tianjin City No 1 Central Hospital), Tianjin City, (15 March 2006):

N:       Is this Director Song?"
Song:  Yes, please speak."
N:       Her doctor told her that the kidney is quite good because he
[the supplier,] practises ...Falun Gong."
Song:  Of course. We have all those who breathe and with heart beat...Up until now, for this year, we have more than ten kidneys, more than ten such kidneys."
N:       "More than ten of this kind of kidneys? You mean live bodies?"
Song: "Yes it is so."

Caller M called about 80 some hospitals. When calling hospitals in some cases M asked for specific doctors in the called hospitals, and was able to speak to transplant doctors. 10 hospitals admitted they use Falun Gong practitioners as organ suppliers.  M also called back to talk to the doctors. 5 hospitals said they can obtain Falun Gong practitioners as organ suppliers. 14 hospitals admitted they use live organs from prisoners. 10 hospitals said the source of organs is a secret and they could not reveal it over the phone.

Caller N made calls to close to 40 hospitals in China, out of which 5 admitted to using Falun Gong practitioner organs.   N also called back to talk to the doctors who made these admissions. They were still reachable at the hospitals.  N also made calls to 36 various detention centres and the Courts in China, out of which 4 admitted to using Falun Gong practitioner organs. 

When calling hospitals, in some cases N would ask for specific doctors in the hospitals called and was able to speak to transplant doctors. N's style was to ask directly the called party, the doctors in the hospitals etc, if they use Falun Gong practitioners' organs. 

The typical response she got was that the caller did not expect this question at all, and would pause for a while to think how to respond.  After the pause, about 80% did not admit that they used Falun Gong practitioners' organs.  About 80% of those who did not admit to using Falun Gong practitioners' organs did admit that they use live bodies who are prisoners.  Less than 10 people simply hung up the phone once they heard the question about Falun Gong practitioners.

One of us has listened with a certified Mandarin‑English interpreter to the quoted recorded telephone conversations between officials and callers on behalf of the Falun Gong communities in Canada and the United States. Certified copies of the relevant transcripts in Mandarin and English were provided to us.

The accuracy of the translations of the portions of them used in this report is attested to by the certified translator, Mr. C. Y., a certified interpreter with the Government of Ontario. He certified that he had listened to the recording of the conversations referred to in this report and has read the transcripts in Chinese and the translated English version of the conversations, and verifies that the transcripts are correct and translations accurate. The original recordings of the calls remain available as well.   One of us met with two of the callers in Toronto on May 27th to discuss the routing, timing, recording, accuracy of the translations from Mandarin to English and other features of the calls.

We conclude that the verbal admissions in the transcripts of interviews of investigators can be trusted. There is no doubt in our minds that these interviews did take place with the persons claimed to be interviewed at the time and place indicated and that the transcripts accurately reflect what was said. 

Moreover, the content of what was said can itself be believed. For one, when weighed against the recent international uproar about alleged organ seizures as the 2008 Beijing Olympics approach, the admissions made at the various institutions are contrary to the reputational interests of the government of China in attempting to convince the international community that the widespread killing of Falun Gong prisoners for their vital organs has not occurred.

31) A confession

A woman using the pseudonym Annie told us that her surgeon husband told her that he personally removed the corneas from approximately 2,000 anaesthetized Falun Gong prisoners in Sujiatun hospital in Shenyang City in northeast China during the two year period before October, 2003, at which time he refused to continue. The surgeon made it clear to his wife that none of the cornea "donors" survived the experience because other surgeons removed other vital organs and all of their bodies were then burned.  Annie is not a Falun Gong practitioner.

Annie had earlier told the Epoch Times in a story published in its March 17 issue:
          "One of my family members was involved in the operation to harvest Falun Gong practitioners' organs.  This brought great pain to our family." 

Her interview led to a controversy about whether or not she was telling the truth.  For the first version of our report, released on July 7, 2006, we sidestepped the controversy that had arisen about the credibility of her testimony.  We interviewed Annie even for our first report.   However, the detail she provided posed a problem for us because it provided a good deal of information which it was impossible to corroborate independently.  We were reluctant to base our findings on sole source information.  So, in the end, we relied on what Annie told us only where it was corroborative and consistent with other evidence, rather than as sole source information.

For this version of our report, we engage the controversy directly.  We accept that what Annie says her husband told her was not only told to her but also is credible.  Annie's testimony goes a long way to establish, all on its own, the allegation. In an appendix about Sujiatun, we go in detail through the various points in dispute generated by her March 17 interview with the Epoch Times.

32) Corroborating studies

There have been two investigations independent from our own which have addressed the same question we have addressed, whether there is organ harvesting of Falun Gong practitioners in China.  Both have come to the same conclusion we did.  These independent investigations corroborate our own conclusion.

A study by Kirk Allison, associate director of the program in human rights and medicine at the University of Minnesota, was undertaken before our report was released.  Though his study was released shortly after our own, on July 25, 2006, Dr. Allison had reached his conclusions earlier, before we released our report.  He too concluded that organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners was happening.

The other investigation was undertaken by European Parliament Vice President Edward McMillan-Scott.  Unlike Dr. Allison and ourselves, Mr. McMillan-Scott was actually able to go to China on a fact finding mission on May 19-21, 2006.  There he interviewed two witnesses Cao Dong and Niu Jinping.  About his meeting with Cao Dong, Mr. McMillan‑Scott reports that he
          "enquired whether he was aware of any organ harvesting camps in China. He said he definitely knew of them and knew people who had been sent to them. He had seen the cadaver of one of his friends, a Falun Gong practitioner, with holes in his body where the organs had been removed."
After Cao Dong left his meeting with McMillan Scott, he was arrested. The authorities in September transferred him to Gansu province and issued an arrest warrant. He was prosecuted in December on four charges. The judges ruled that the case could not go to trial because the case fell within the jurisdiction of the 610 Office in Beijing [the office charged with repression of the Falun Gong.

33) Government of China responses

The Government of China has responded to the first version of our report in an unpersuasive way.  Mostly, the responses have been attacks on the Falun Gong.  The fact that the Government of China would make attacks on Falun Gong the focus of their responses to our report reinforces the analysis of the report.  It is these sorts of attacks which, in China, make possible the violation of the basic human rights of Falun Gong practitioners.

The responses have identified only two factual errors in the first version of our report.  In an appendix, in a caption heading, we placed two Chinese cities in the wrong provinces.  These errors have nothing to do with the analysis or conclusions of our report.

In an appendix we go into greater detail about the Chinese responses and our reactions to them.  Here we note that the fact the Government of China, with all the resources and information at its disposal, resources and information we do not have, was not able to contradict our report in any other way than this suggests that our conclusions are accurate.

G. Further Research

We do not consider even this second version to be the final word on this subject.  There is much that we ourselves, given the opportunity, would rather do before we completed this version of the report.  But it would mean pursuing avenues of investigation which are not now open to us.  We will welcome any comments on its contents or any additional information individuals or governments might be willing to provide.

We would like to see Chinese hospital records of transplants.  Are there consents on file?  Are there records of sources of organs?

Donors can survive many forms of transplant operations.  No one can survive a full liver or heart donation.  But kidney donations are normally not fatal.  Where are the surviving donors?  We would like to do a random sampling of donations to see if we could locate the donors.

Family members of deceased donors should either know of the consents of the donors, or alternatively, the family members should have given the consents themselves.  Here, too, we would like to do a random sampling of immediate family members of deceased donors to see if the families either consented themselves to the donations or were aware of the consent of the donor.

China has engaged in a major expansion of organ transplant facilities in recent years.  This expansion likely would have been accompanied by feasibility studies indicating organ sources.  We would like to see these feasibility studies.

H. Conclusions

Based on our further research, we are reinforced in our original conclusion that the allegations are true. We believe that there has been and continues today to be large scale organ seizures from unwilling Falun Gong practitioners.

We have concluded that the government of China and its agencies in numerous parts of the country, in particular hospitals but also detention centres and 'people's courts', since 1999 have put to death a large but unknown number of Falun Gong prisoners of conscience. Their vital organs, including kidneys, livers, corneas and hearts, were seized involuntarily for sale at high prices, sometimes to foreigners, who normally face long waits for voluntary donations of such organs in their home countries. 

How many of the victims were first convicted of any offence, serious or otherwise, in legitimate courts, we are unable to estimate because such information appears to be unavailable both to Chinese nationals and foreigners.  It appears to us that many human beings belonging to a peaceful voluntary organization made illegal eight years ago by President Jiang because he thought it might threaten the dominance of the Communist Party of China have been in effect executed by medical practitioners for their organs.

Our conclusion comes not from any one single item of evidence, but rather the piecing together of all the evidence we have considered.  Each portion of the evidence we have considered is, in itself, verifiable and, in most cases, incontestable.  Put together, they paint a damning whole picture.  It is their combination that has convinced us.

I. Recommendations

a) General
1) The current form of dialogue between Canada and China over human rights should cease.  In hindsight, the Government erred in agreeing to the talk fests in exchange for Canada no longer co-sponsoring the yearly motion criticizing China's government at the then UN Human Rights Commission.

2) All detention facilities, including forced labour camps, must be opened for international community inspection through the International Committee for the Red Cross or other human rights or humanitarian organization.

3) The sentence against Gao Zhisheng should be lifted. His right to practise his profession should be restored.

4) China and every other state now party to the Convention against Torture, including Canada, should accede to the Optional Protocol to the Convention against Torture.

b) Organ Harvesting

5) Organ harvesting in China from prisoners should cease.

6) The military in China should get out of the organ transplant business.

7) Organ harvesting of unwilling donors where it is either systematic or widespread is a crime against humanity.  Criminal authorities in China should investigate the charge of organ harvesting from unwilling donors for possible prosecution.

8) Foreign states should enact extra-territorial legislation penalizing participation in organ harvesting without consent.

9) State medical funding systems should deny reimbursement for commercial organ transplants abroad and aftercare funding for those benefiting from such transplants.

10) Any person known to be involved in trafficking in the organs of prisoners in China should be barred entry by all foreign countries.

11) Until China stops harvesting organs from prisoners of any sort,
          i) foreign governments should not issue visas to doctors from China seeking to travel abroad for the purpose of training in organ or bodily issue transplantation,

          ii) foreign medical transplant personnel should not travel to China for training or collaboration in transplant surgery,

          iii) contributions to scholarly journals on transplant research drawn from the Chinese experience should be rejected,

          iv) medical professionals abroad should actively discourage their patients from travelling to China for transplant surgery,

          v) pharmaceutical companies should not export anti-rejection drugs or any other drugs solely used in transplantation surgery to China,

          vi) foreign states should ban the export of anti-rejection drugs or any other drugs solely used in transplantation surgery to China.

12) The onus should be on foreign professionals to determine beyond any reasonable doubt that the source of organ donation in China is voluntary before there is any referral to China or any cooperation with China relating to organ transplants.

13) The medical profession in every foreign country should set up a voluntary reporting system to accumulate aggregate data about patients who have travelled to China for transplants.

14) Chinese hospitals should keep records of the source of every transplant.  These records should be available for inspection by international human rights officials.

15) Every organ transplant donor should consent to the donation in writing. These consents should be available for inspection by international human rights officials.

16) The Government of China should promote voluntary organ donation from its own population.

17) Foreign states should issue travel advisories warning its population that organ transplants in China are sourced almost entirely from unconsenting prisoners, whether sentenced to death or Falun Gong practitioners.

C) Falun Gong

18) The repression, imprisonment and mistreatment of Falun Gong practitioners should stop.

19) The harvesting of organs of Falun Gong practitioners should cease. 

20) Governmental, non-governmental and inter-governmental human rights organizations should take seriously the charges this report addresses and make their own determinations whether or not they are true.

J. Commentary

To accept the recommendation that the harvesting of organs of unwilling Falun Gong practitioners should cease would mean accepting that the allegations are true.  All the other recommendations we make do not require accepting that the allegations are true.  We suggest adoption of these other recommendations in any case.

Most of the recommendations make sense and could be implemented whether the allegations are true or false.  Several recommendations are addressed to the international community, asking the community to promote respect within China of international standards about organ transplants.

We are well aware that the Government of China denies the allegations.  We suggest that the most credible and effective way from the Government of China to assert that denial is to implement all of the recommendations addressed to it which could be implemented whether the allegations are true or false.  If these recommendations were implemented, the allegations considered here could no longer be made.

To all those are sceptical about the allegations, we ask you to ask yourself what you would suggest to prevent, in any state, allegations like these from becoming true.  The common sense list of precautions to prevent the sort of activity here alleged have pretty much all been missing in China.

Every state, and not just China, needs to lay in its defences in order to prevent the harvesting of organs from the unwilling, the marginalized, the defenceless.  Whatever one thinks of the allegations, and we reiterate we believe them to be true, China is remarkably undefended to prevent the sorts of activities here discussed from happening.  Until the recent legislation was in force, many basic precautions to prevent the abuses here discussed from happening were not in place.  That legislation does not fill the gap unless and until it is comprehensively implemented.

There are many reasons why the death penalty is wrong.  Not least is the desensitization of the executioners.  When the state kills defenceless human beings already in detention for their crimes, it becomes all too easy to take the next step, harvesting their organs without their consent.  This is a step China undoubtedly took.  When the state harvests the organs of executed prisoners without their consent, it is another step that becomes all too easy and tempting to take to harvest the organs of other vilified, depersonalized, defenceless prisoners without their consent, especially when there is big money to be made from it.  We urge the government of China, whatever they think of our conclusions about organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners, to build up their defences against even the slightest possibility of the harvesting of organs from the unwilling.

All of which is respectfully submitted,