Saturday 19 June 2010

As terrible as an Army with Banners. Key of David meeting Havant June 2010

Key of David material June 2010 on the subject of the Army of the Lord with a Youtube excerpt track on the same subject from Early Harvest 1990.
'Who is this that grows like the dawn,
As beautiful as the full moon,
As pure as the sun,
As awesome/terrible as an army with banners?'
Song of Solomon 6:10

Who is this coming up from the wilderness
Leaning on her beloved?"
Song of Solomon 8:5

And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
2Peter 1:19

"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
Revelation 22:15-17
Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.
New International Version (©1984)
Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure.
1 John 3:2-3

"&c.-Continual beholding generates likeness (2Co 3:18); as the face of the moon being always turned towards the sun, reflects its light and glory."commentary from
ἡμεῖς δὲ πάντες ἀνακεκαλυμμένῳ προσώπῳ τὴν δόξαν κυρίου κατοπτριζόμενοι τὴν αὐτὴν εἰκόνα μεταμορφούμεθα ἀπὸ δόξης εἰς δόξαν καθάπερ ἀπὸ κυρίου πνεύματος.
Literal Greek : We But all unveiled with face the glory of Lord seeing by reflection the same image are transformed from glory to glory just as from of Lord Spirit

Amplified:18And all of us, as with unveiled face, [because we] continued to behold [in the Word of God] as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are constantly being transfigured into His very own image in ever increasing splendor and from one degree of glory to another; [for this comes] from the Lord [Who is] the Spirit.


If this makes no sense written in left-brain study text format, I'm not sure the actual Key of David meeting itself would have made more sense to someone used to sitting in a meeting with John Stott,Greg Haslam,David Pawson, or Jimmy Graham. But if you are starting to get sensitive to how the Holy Spirit moves, reveals and shapes His kind of meetings you'd have picked up a lot. I bet if you'd have asked anyone there, and some travelled all the way down from London,as they were leaving,"did you consider it worth coming?", many would have been scarcely able to respond. That's not a's just that Key of David meetings can leave you a bit stunned. "Surely the Lord is in this place." I personally don't like hanging around much after them...because any talk sometimes cheapens what was going on.

And I have to say , sometimes we actually have very little clue until afterwards about how groundbreaking these meetings are in that they mirror the very NOW Word that Christ Himself is speaking into the world Church. Yes, I mean that. It's hardly ever anything to do with our locality, and quite often transcends our nation.

I myself have been given things I had no idea were new chapter headings in the Church. I brought them as led, but have to humbly admit I hardly knew anything about what I was bringing.

Here are two examples

Revelation 3:20 Word from a Key of David Glory Conference which began a whole new chapter

in the church and my own life to do with the revelation of the Father. This still continues...and I mean right now.....

And secondly, last year's Conference which is on a CD somewhere, which was about God rearranging His furniture in the make His Son have pre-eminance again. This has certainly come out on this blog concerning Pyramid building, The Jesus Manifesto book by Leonard Sweet and Frank Viola, and not least "Corinthian Elders" by Jack Fortenberry.

Unusually for a Key of David meeting praise was a bit like walking in sticky treacle.(NB...if this happens to you...keep pressing through...because quite often you're pressing through a door that the Devil does not want opened. In this case an enormous Presence of God to do with the Bride as an army with banners coming up out of the wilderness.)

One of the songs we began with had the phrase "Morning Star". I felt by the Spirit that this was being highlighted. Perhaps I did not push this hard enough. The next thing we were onto the image of the Bride at the end of Song of Solomon.

What was the connection?

The connection is above in Song of Solomon 6:10
'Who is this that grows like the dawn,
As beautiful as the full moon,
As pure as the sun,

Morning beautiful as the full moon.

Morning Star
Jesus we know is the morning star. But as I shared with Peter Stott in the meeting, we have completely missed the point of why He is the Morning Star.

If your eschatology (end time view) is restricted to "Jesus , it's rough on Earth and getting rougher, please get me out of here". Then you will view Morning Star as the only thing you can fix your eyes on during the darkest part of the night before dawn, when Jesus will come and rescue you . He is your hope, meaning I cannot stand what's going on here but at least I see that Jesus made it so if I can just keep focussed on Him...He'll see me waving my banner from my besieged fortress rooftop, and scoop me up outta here.

Ern Baxter (1975)blew us renewed Baptists away with
"The gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church" does not mean gates are attacking us while we huddle in our little Kingdom castle. He said, he'd never seen a gate jump off its hinges and chase him down the street!

In the same way Morning Star means this. And this is what we fix our eyes upon.

Jesus was the prototype.

Imagine a mug factory. The design mug is the prototype. There is only one of them. A lot of design care and attention gets lavished on this one mug, because once it is finished EVERY SINGLE other mug will be patterned on it.

The existence of the first mug isn't a sad thing.

"Oh I've only got one mug...I'm going to cry."

The existing one mug is a thing that is full of hope. Ha last we've worked out our we're going to have a run of 60 million like it.

In a commercial mug factory they're not pacing up and down wondering if they'll ever get another mug like it. They're sort of matter of fact. Right, we've got the yes we can fulfil your World Cup international order for 60 million by next month.

It's definite. It's a cert.

That's what Jesus as the Morning Star means.

He's the first of a whole NEW DAY of Sons exactly like Him....that He is not at all ashamed to call brethren.

The Christ as us message has this certitude about it.

If Jesus , the same Jesus, is in us as us since conversion...

if the whole stupid idea of us as self-running beings introduced by the devil in Genesis 3:5 turns out to be what it is....a myth

that we are nothing but containers for the deity or spirit/Spirit that we choose

Then the Morning Star to us is a dead cert. We cannot lose. We can only be Him through our personalities, through our bodies, through our minds.

Now settling into this is a process, yes. But it's no harder or more weird than learning to be sensitive to the Holy Spirit as He guides us through great meetings. It's no less real than that. And as a Church we've now been doing that for 105 years since Azusa St and the Welsh Revival.

Let's lean on some more verses so that they squirt out some more Spirit juice!
The Greek of 2 Cor 3:18 says
We But all unveiled with face the glory of Lord seeing by reflection the same image are transformed from glory to glory just as from of Lord Spirit
1. There's no veil any more. It was torn in the Temple from top to bottom when Jesus died
2. by reflection...indicates the same Jesus that we have received into us, is the same One whose glory we are beholding.
3. He is working a "from glory to glory" transformation in us. Its not from zilch glory to glory. Its from glory to glory. He is layering glory on us like the French polish layers I put on pianos.
4."As from of Lord Spirit" means some or all of these things: a)the glory that comes from the Spirit of the's not ours...we've not earned's not of our doing...and from here on in it's Him as well b) more precisely from that Spirit that was roadtested in the life of Jesus on earth, that Spirit that also raised Him from the dead....a picture here of the Jesus who laid His glory aside, came here fully human like us, restricting Himself to the same sort of equipment that He'd be letting us have....namely the now fully roadtested indwelling Holy Spirit of Power that He had.

2 Peter 1:19 The morning star rises in your hearts
1. Proof verse that we are tracking with the apostles. The same Morning Star of Revelation is the morning star rising from out of the darkness of our own lives. His life in our hearts now empowers us. is the certitude that when He appears we shall be like Him. This very hope works within us like radioactive material ....friends don't you feel it within you?.....this radioactive hope that is itself a purifying agent.

Song of Solomon gives a picture of FUSION occurring in the wilderness between Bridegroom and Bride
who is this that Grows like the dawn!!!!
that leans on the Beloved

Previously the only sun of righteousness we knew about was God. This runner talked about in Psalm 19 , running across the sky like a Bridegroom. But what have we now? Two of 'em. A church who is like it as well.

Terrible as an army with banners.
At the end of the meeting people took hold of banners to represent this.
I felt by the Spirit to remind people that these banners were a token of what was really going on. God is birthing these banners, these Names of God into us. I know someone is going to say we have all of the Names of God in us. That's true. But I'll think you will find that our own road maps become particular Banners of God in the Body of Christ.
In the meeting I used the example of how David Strutt who had to go throught the awful awful grief and loss of his first wife to cancer....all the while, as a lot of us, perfectly aware that at other times all of us have seen people raised up completely out of cancer situations. We know God can do it.
What worked death for David though has become life for the people of God when he is anointed to share. There is a Banner of God in David's life that wasn't there before.

There are people in the Body of Christ that can do things. They have Apps. Banners.Aspects of the Names of God.
Maurice Smith oozed grace, though in his personal life he knew fearful depression and anxiety attacks.
My friends Ron and Pam Knight oozed hospitality. With them it wasn't "oh what a great time we had round their house" was Holy Spirit comfort and strength oozing all round you while you were in their presence. A large number of the church just gravitated there in the 70s.

The verse " out of your innermost being shall flow rivers of living water" has been nicked by the Pentecostal experience. Also valid....but it's main context in John is the Feast of pouring of the Water during the Feast of Tabernacles, not Pentecost. This is a 3rd level or 3rd Feast picture. It's a mature man and woman in Christ pouring out major flood tides of Spirit stuff through them. The Banners, the Names of God, fashioned in a believer for imparting to a threadbare world. This is a work of the glory to glory just as from of Lord Spirit we read earlier.

Key of David meetings are not Bible Studies. They are you walking into a 3D High Definition representation of the verse itself. It happens in the Spirit and it remains with you for the rest of your life. Acw.

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March 2010

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In the 1980s a song was given that was sung very widely: Joel 2 "And they shall rush on the city, run on the walls." The Holy Spirit was indicating the nature of the mature Body of Christ exercising authority according to Ephesians 6. Many pointed out that this was NOT the nature of the context in Joel 2. The particular army was not the people of God, but one being used by God to exercise judgment.

This is where we need sensitivity to understand when the Holy Spirit is speaking. He never said that Joel 2 was the people of God. He was indicating that the mature Body will have this aspect to it, further underlined by Psalm 149 (see the Airplane song at the bottom of this link)

In this context I also did a track on Joel 2 on my CD. I have made a movie version for You Tube.
Listen in stereo!

Track off Unreleased Double CD Early Harvest:
"JOEL 2" The Plain: ©A. Christopher Welch/Michael Thom, Poem by A Christopher Welch
1990/Music:© A. Christopher Welch based on a chord sequence by John Stevens 1978.
In the shadow of the distant rocks / Across the barren plain / I saw an army approaching swiftly, a people without name / Terrifying was the sight of them, marching without a sound,/ Striding forward purposefully, making for the towns. / They're rushing in like mighty men, yet never break their ranks, / As unannounced as thieves they come, none can cut them back /The sun and moon grow very dark, the Word of the Lord is strong / At last the breakthrough trumpet blasts, awaited O so long. / It is the second anointing, raising dead men's souls /Crashing through all the people's fears, whose faith was filled with holes, / Comforting the afflicted, aligning with the just, / To bring judgement on all rulers, ruled by their own lusts. /
The Almighty power of the Living Word upon a multi-bannered army / Of valiant men expert in war, wreaking God's vengeance calmly, / Knowing the Word of faith to be enough to shatter the Devil's lies / Whose proud boast counters heaven and Christ's Church who he defies. /They appear from nowhere this secret army formed in a hidden place, / Hewn out of humble quarries now joined in smooth embrace / The Son of Man like lightning stands in east and west displayed / For wherever the dead body is there the eagles fly.
Eagle's Flight:© A. Christopher Welch/Michael Thom 'Telstar' type Keyboard Solo: John Daniels All additional Keyboard: Michael Thom Administered by No Name Ltd. 1991
Chris on Facebook:Modern day example of Joel 2 track
Around the time that Joel 2 was being recorded (see my profile link)Christians were arguing about prophets like Paul Cain.They were saying ref the Army of the Lord it was either false triumphalism or that the Joel 2 army were unbelievers anyway,completely missing what the Holy Spirit was saying.Whether
as indicated there is a specific wave of fulfilment ,the truth of Ephesians 6 as Nancy Gilmore would say,is always true and is cyclic.Today's revelation then ,which does not go down well with Protestants,is that Poland's 1989 breakthrough was a fulfilment of a huge part of the lyrics on my Joel 2 track.Truth was that a whole blanket of prayer/... See moreintercession/Spirit declaration was going up throughout the land in small Catholic prayer groups.Arthur Blessitt says of the countries he passed through,the ones who received him best and who had the greatest appreciation of the Cross was Poland.....
So on one side of the world people were dismembering Paul Cain while the other, God wasn't waiting for prophecy ...He was actually giving a graphic example of Joel 2 authority should people only have the eyes to see...and he was using the vessels no respecting American evangelical would suspect....namely Catholics....which is probably how they missed one of the most staggering events of recent years....a bloodless coup.

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