Here's the ecclesia conundrum as practiced now by Presbyterians , Quakers and Brethren .
If you get more congregation involved in church services they have to have a better single eye .
The source of all supernatural ecclesia has to be born again and Spirit filled people in the Church .
1 Corinthians 12 and its 3 diverses are to train people in having a single eye for the Lord .
This is the conundrum, after 50 or 100 years of re establishing some measure of' the first Diverse ' section of church , we haven't taken it seriously enough .
People are led by their new Holy Spirit anointing to give gifts of the Spirit and contributions by the Spirit .
What this is doing in brief ways is getting people to train to move in the Spirit for a brief slot. This is really fast tracking the single eye but together, which is the essence of ecclesia . This is what the word in Greek means .
But the Catch 22 conundrum is there aren't sufficient co trained 1 John 2 thirdlevellers to act as bishop overseers all in one church , like Jesus' first blueprint . The world over every church is run by one solo ministry. Maybe there are elders but they are minions . That's not ecclesia .
Ecclesia is essentially a miracle of Holy Spirit energised single eye seeing .
Like Jesus says " I only do what I see My Father doing ".
Until we have broken through the Catch 22 boundary of never having enough thirdlevellers who can function together like the apostles in 1 John 1 format ......we can't properly leave might is right pyramid control .
Even Bethel Redding has a worship bit , then the rest is corralled in under one leader and ecclesia kind of goes back to bed for another week .
Practically there are two hurdles .
Thirdlevellers don't get the practice .
I'mò speaking quite advanced here and excluding the whole subject of seminaries because they aren't relevant to the Bible .
In the Bible the One Jesus taught single eye seeing . That's really the unseen thing that is in the gospels. We read the gospels and everybody reduces the content to moral teachings . If we are born again and baptised in the Spirit we should start to pick up that it's about leaving the Genesis 3 condition, that God is in fact King not notionally, and that we are continually watching in our inner seeing to see what He is up to today .
Jesus produced 12 who understood this and moved together.
How can we ever get to DIVERSE TWO if ministries plural haven't had sufficient exercise growing from diverse one ?
Then we can start moving out of pyramid and into real world Kingdom , or Body under one Head .
We feel free to operate in the things of the Spirit as long as there is one pyramid solo leader tying the strings up.
What ecclesia is , is having enough mature single eye seeing folk to move in Revival level directly under the Head with no single go between .
And that is what Acts first church is really .
It's the phrase " if I be lifted up from the earth then I will draw all men unto Me "
That's when people want to see something different. Its called tabernacle roof with holes.
ie there is a roof but with holes.
Quakers try to do this to this day but there aren't the born again baptised in the Spirit 1 John 2 thirdlevel saints to " hold revival Presence " and to faithfully oversee what others are moving in .
The SECOND PART OF THE CATCH 22 is the Four Woods of Tabernacles.
Like 1 Corinthians 12 :14-26 in real soul type terms we despise the other three frequencies.
Surrounded by Idiots book by Thomas Erikson has been written to counter that , but it is only secular .
We can't really see full functionality of Matthews Marks Lukes and Johns until they have passed through the new and living way of the Holy Spirit and Romans 3 to 8 .
After 50 to100 years we are getting glimpses of what mature versions are starting to look like .
And these turn up on Conference platforms, but they haven't learned together sufficiently to discard their own personal pyramid networking agendas.
David Yonghi Cho was mature in many ways but he still sat atop of his South Korean totem pole .
Third level is Kingdom .
Thirdlevel is revival Presence .
Thirdlevel has at least 14 different ministry types as per Paul's 3 lists .
Thirdlevel only needs one church in a location under one Lord because between the mature thirdlevellers they hold the Revelation 12.1 Crown of 12 stars breadth ......think juries .....think elders in the tenth gate of Miphkad in OT .
Much of this is totally supernatural and has to be formed in the Spirit ....
Because we are all schismatic in breadth
Because we are all self lovers building our own thing .
The Homeostasis of variety all pulling each other into line under Jesus Christ is what makes the thing work .
Providing our eye is single .
If we seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness then all these things shall be added unto us .
We saw a mini example of people leaving Europe for America and conducting the Great American Experiment and in many ways the level of expectation for what is possible on earth greatly increased . I personally was blown away by my 1981 visit.
Amish are a mini example of something.
I don't think they left pyramid and in some cases got quite cultic.
But can you see how these are first stabs .
What church is meant to be is THREE DIVERSES .
The third diverse is pretty much the breakout of Kingdom here on earth for short periods .
This is called the diverse operations of the Spirit and these involve waves of the Holy Spirit .
Or brand new manifestations of the Spirit .
Many ministries are now touching this realm.
But we arent a solo performer show .
This is simply ecclesia each week in our locality.
We haven't rigorously read our Bibles to see God form His supernatural community His way .
At best we only use a handful of Bible tools .
The Old Testament starts to describe how a community of us looks like but it's severely hindered by not having the indwelling Christ nor the power of baptism in the Spirit which Jesus longed to set in motion .
For the joy that was set before Him He endured the Cross .
How I am constrained until I can send fire upon the earth , He said during His earthly ministry .
Everything I have written is straight up Bible .
As we look across the earth now , admit it .
The only place ecclesia really operates is in conferences of thirdlevellers . They have to be artificially shipped in .
Their denominations are irrelevant.
Seminaries barely have a single bearing on why they are there .
Why do we waste so much time on utter cow rear end colouring when time is so short ?
As great as crusades are they dont hold an ounce to Jerusalem permanency of ecclesia .
But we cant do that , we are still inside the stupid Catch 22.
If you get more congregation involved in church services they have to have a better single eye .
The source of all supernatural ecclesia has to be born again and Spirit filled people in the Church .
1 Corinthians 12 and its 3 diverses are to train people in having a single eye for the Lord .
This is the conundrum, after 50 or 100 years of re establishing some measure of' the first Diverse ' section of church , we haven't taken it seriously enough .
People are led by their new Holy Spirit anointing to give gifts of the Spirit and contributions by the Spirit .
What this is doing in brief ways is getting people to train to move in the Spirit for a brief slot. This is really fast tracking the single eye but together, which is the essence of ecclesia . This is what the word in Greek means .
But the Catch 22 conundrum is there aren't sufficient co trained 1 John 2 thirdlevellers to act as bishop overseers all in one church , like Jesus' first blueprint . The world over every church is run by one solo ministry. Maybe there are elders but they are minions . That's not ecclesia .
Ecclesia is essentially a miracle of Holy Spirit energised single eye seeing .
Like Jesus says " I only do what I see My Father doing ".
Until we have broken through the Catch 22 boundary of never having enough thirdlevellers who can function together like the apostles in 1 John 1 format ......we can't properly leave might is right pyramid control .
Even Bethel Redding has a worship bit , then the rest is corralled in under one leader and ecclesia kind of goes back to bed for another week .
Practically there are two hurdles .
Thirdlevellers don't get the practice .
I'mò speaking quite advanced here and excluding the whole subject of seminaries because they aren't relevant to the Bible .
In the Bible the One Jesus taught single eye seeing . That's really the unseen thing that is in the gospels. We read the gospels and everybody reduces the content to moral teachings . If we are born again and baptised in the Spirit we should start to pick up that it's about leaving the Genesis 3 condition, that God is in fact King not notionally, and that we are continually watching in our inner seeing to see what He is up to today .
Jesus produced 12 who understood this and moved together.
How can we ever get to DIVERSE TWO if ministries plural haven't had sufficient exercise growing from diverse one ?
Then we can start moving out of pyramid and into real world Kingdom , or Body under one Head .
We feel free to operate in the things of the Spirit as long as there is one pyramid solo leader tying the strings up.
What ecclesia is , is having enough mature single eye seeing folk to move in Revival level directly under the Head with no single go between .
And that is what Acts first church is really .
It's the phrase " if I be lifted up from the earth then I will draw all men unto Me "
That's when people want to see something different. Its called tabernacle roof with holes.
ie there is a roof but with holes.
Quakers try to do this to this day but there aren't the born again baptised in the Spirit 1 John 2 thirdlevel saints to " hold revival Presence " and to faithfully oversee what others are moving in .
The SECOND PART OF THE CATCH 22 is the Four Woods of Tabernacles.
Like 1 Corinthians 12 :14-26 in real soul type terms we despise the other three frequencies.
Surrounded by Idiots book by Thomas Erikson has been written to counter that , but it is only secular .
We can't really see full functionality of Matthews Marks Lukes and Johns until they have passed through the new and living way of the Holy Spirit and Romans 3 to 8 .
After 50 to100 years we are getting glimpses of what mature versions are starting to look like .
And these turn up on Conference platforms, but they haven't learned together sufficiently to discard their own personal pyramid networking agendas.
David Yonghi Cho was mature in many ways but he still sat atop of his South Korean totem pole .
Third level is Kingdom .
Thirdlevel is revival Presence .
Thirdlevel has at least 14 different ministry types as per Paul's 3 lists .
Thirdlevel only needs one church in a location under one Lord because between the mature thirdlevellers they hold the Revelation 12.1 Crown of 12 stars breadth ......think juries .....think elders in the tenth gate of Miphkad in OT .
Much of this is totally supernatural and has to be formed in the Spirit ....
Because we are all schismatic in breadth
Because we are all self lovers building our own thing .
The Homeostasis of variety all pulling each other into line under Jesus Christ is what makes the thing work .
Providing our eye is single .
If we seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness then all these things shall be added unto us .
We saw a mini example of people leaving Europe for America and conducting the Great American Experiment and in many ways the level of expectation for what is possible on earth greatly increased . I personally was blown away by my 1981 visit.
Amish are a mini example of something.
I don't think they left pyramid and in some cases got quite cultic.
But can you see how these are first stabs .
What church is meant to be is THREE DIVERSES .
The third diverse is pretty much the breakout of Kingdom here on earth for short periods .
This is called the diverse operations of the Spirit and these involve waves of the Holy Spirit .
Or brand new manifestations of the Spirit .
Many ministries are now touching this realm.
But we arent a solo performer show .
This is simply ecclesia each week in our locality.
We haven't rigorously read our Bibles to see God form His supernatural community His way .
At best we only use a handful of Bible tools .
The Old Testament starts to describe how a community of us looks like but it's severely hindered by not having the indwelling Christ nor the power of baptism in the Spirit which Jesus longed to set in motion .
For the joy that was set before Him He endured the Cross .
How I am constrained until I can send fire upon the earth , He said during His earthly ministry .
Everything I have written is straight up Bible .
As we look across the earth now , admit it .
The only place ecclesia really operates is in conferences of thirdlevellers . They have to be artificially shipped in .
Their denominations are irrelevant.
Seminaries barely have a single bearing on why they are there .
Why do we waste so much time on utter cow rear end colouring when time is so short ?
As great as crusades are they dont hold an ounce to Jerusalem permanency of ecclesia .
But we cant do that , we are still inside the stupid Catch 22.
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