Chris Welch uses Designer Pro 365 to illustrate all 3rd level concepts

Friday, 5 May 2017

The Remote, Detached Believing behind Preterism and Futurism

The issue to me about Preterism and Futurism is this.
Neither engage with the I AM.
The one Moses argued with.....If you don't go up with us then we will not go up.
Like Abraham arguing in real time with God about Sodom.
When we are kids in Christ 1 John 2, like in the natural, we are just thankful to "make " it....to accept the salvation of God.
By the young man stage God is getting us to engage with our own salvation. To start confessing. Reckoning ourselves dead Romans 6.
Ephesians 1 and 2 are about our child "establishment" "rooting" in Christ. Far from being a series of exercises to work out in the flesh Ephesians 2,3,4 and 5, or family, church, and work arenas, these are areas where God "makes our paths straight for us" as we acknowledge Him in real time and real living faith in these areas. We don't work things out in the flesh, but God engages our believing in real time in real immediate issues which surround us.
By now we have experienced locally what it is to move things around a bit by faith in the Overcoming life of Christ.
IN THAT faith. Real time faith. Having practised this new Life in God, where Jesus is our Saviour and our Saviour in real time, we now can have faith for engagement in Ephesians 6, over towns cities and regions. Pioneering new areas where they have not got the gospel.
In the gospels the disciples were in ministry with Jesus continually, while all the other things we read in Ephesians 3 4 and 5 were correcting themselves. if any of you know what it's like to fall into the ground as a seed and die....well imagine doing that in continuous ministry to others. Surely the disciples were experiencing life "full on" in the second mile with Jesus.
But hey....they were apostles in 3 and a half years.
3 1/2 years !!!!!
Look at how Preterists and Futurists handle scripture and see how remote and "out there " it is
"But once more I will shake the heavens and the earth as of things that can be shaken"
John Hagee whisks the church away in the clouds and prophesies doom and gloom for all the nations of the earth. Shake shake shake.
Preterists say all the shaking has been done. 70 AD everything sorted.
Let's see what Jesus says
I will lay the axe to the root
The son of God is come to destroy all the works of the evil one
The gates of hell will not prevail against my congregation/my church
Moses congregation HAD HAD the gates of hell prevail.
Jesus congregation, he says, would make it.
How could He be so sure?
Because He was living that life Himself....and this same Life He gave to us.
Not the halfbuilt Tower kind of life of the current church.
The current church sdoesn't know that the thirdlevel in 1 John 2 even exists. All it's got are pastors who themselves are only children stage in Christ or young man stage in Christ.
People who live and move in Ephesians 6, shaking towns cities and nations....first storming them in the Spirit then in the natural....well they are nowhere to be seen.
A case could be made out for Rheinhard Bonnke and Morris Cerullo....but even them, their gospel is really no more then the "young man " gospel of victory and faith.
NO NO NO NO
Like a computer game, but lived in real time....
once we complete "this level"......the one that began when Jesus died resurrected and ascended to be at the right hand of God the Father......
and ends when the fulness of the Gentiles has come in, and when the Jews "turn" when at last they see the One who they crucified......
Once everybody has experienced the shaking that shakes all the last traces of Genesis 3 separation living right outof entire system.....
then we will all be saying like Jesus.....the devil has nothing in me
and not having anything in us....he literally can't rule this planet any more....he has got nobody to "rule through"
This is what Paul meant by discipling nations.
Preterism doesn't even believe in this type of Christianity
Nor does Futurism. It frightens both of them, because it makes Christianity something too close to home.....where you actually have to believe things into being.
In that way Preterism and Futurism are both exactly the same.
Little more than idle fantasies, intellectual belief systems.
Jesus looked straight into Peter's soul on the shore of Galilee and said "Follow me. I will make you a fisher of men"
Word.
The Word of God
Direct.
Personal.
Would cost everything.
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What Jesus Actually Said Concerning things to come by  Santo Calarco

Did Jesus say that the apostles would see his "second coming"?
Let's consider what Jesus said that the apostles would see and NOT see!
In Mark 13 Jesus speaks about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.
He speaks to his apostles and tells THEM that THEY WOULD SEE ...
NOTE THE "YOU" STATEMENTS!
YOU - the apostles would PERSONALLY SEE OR HEAR ABOUT ...
-1- WARS
Mark 13:7
When YOU hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be frightened; those things must take place; but that is not yet the end. 8 For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there will be earthquakes in various places; there will also be famines. These things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.
-2- YOU - the apostles - would be PERSONALLY PERSECUTED AND HATED
Mark 13:9,13
9 “But be on YOUR guard; for they will deliver YOU to the courts, and YOU will be flogged in the synagogues, and YOU will stand before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them. 13 YOU will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
-3- YOU - the apostles - WOULD SEE SOMETHING BAD - and this was the SIGN TO LEAVE JERUSALEM - because it was about to be destroyed!
Mark 13:14
14 “But when YOU see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.
SO FAR THE APOSTLES WOULD GO THROUGH ALL THE EVENTS LEADING UP TO THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM
MARK has earmarked this by saying "YOU ... YOU"!
BUT NOW WE SEE A TRANSITION IN THE TEXT!
JESUS THEN MENTIONS THE TRIBULATION IN CONNECTION TO THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM
-4- YOU - the apostles would go through the tribulation DURING the DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM
Mark 13:19
19 For THOSE DAYS [the destruction of Jerusalem] will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will. 21 And THEN [DURING the tribulation during the destruction of Jerusalem] IF ANYONE SAYS TO YOU then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ’; or, ‘Behold, He is there’; do not believe him;
-5- YOU - the apostles have at this stage in the prophecy been WARNED ABOUT "EVERYTHING" IN CONNECTION WITH THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM!
MARK 13:23
23 But take heed; behold, I have told YOU EVERYTHING in advance.
NOTE: THEY KNOW EVERYTHING IN ADVANCE ABOUT EVENTS CONNECTED WITH THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM!
SO THEY WERE PREPARED TO SEE THE SIGN SO THAT THEY COULD ESCAPE GETTING KILLED WITH EVERYONE ELSE IN JERUSALEM!
But .. But ... But ...
[now the part that will upset the 70AD folk!]
NOW JESUS TALKS ABOUT EVENTS
AFTER
AFTER
AFTER
The destruction of Jerusalem!!
JESUS MOVES AWAY FROM "YOU" TO "THEY"!
Mark 13:24
24 “But in those days, AFTER THAT TRIBULATION, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light,
JESUS CLEARLY SPEAKS NOW ABOUT EVENTS AFTER THE TRIBULATION
AFTER JERUSALEM HAS BEEN DESTROYED IN 70AD!
And he speaks of cosmic signs - NOT IN JUDEA BUT IN THE HEAVENS
AFTER 70AD!!
And he no longer refers to YOU - THE APOSTLES ANYMORE BUT ....
"THEY"!!!!!
Mark 13:26
26 THEN [when?!!! Then after the destruction of Jerusalem!] THEY WILL SEE THE Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.
SO THERE YOU GO!!!
Jesus said that the apostles would personally go through the time of tribulation in connection with the destruction of Jerusalem
BUT HE MAKES IT CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT AFTER THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM
THAT - THEY NOT YOU
Would see Jesus come in the clouds!
JESUS NEVER SAID THAT THE APOSTLES WOULD SEE HIM RETURN ON THE CLOUDS!
HE SAID THAT "THEY" - the people AFTER THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM would see him come on the clouds!
BOTTOM LINE:
JESUS MOVES FROM "YOU" TO "THEY" AFTER THE TRIBULATION AND DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM
And says that the apostles would never see his return!
Jesus was spot on!
I'm ducking for cover ...
The 70 AD folks are gonna come to get me!
PS...
The apostles would not see Jesus come because they would be coming with him when he comes. See 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

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