Revival spirit , or evangelistic ministry or deliverance ....everything Jesus was living with the disciples for 42 months in His own ministry of preaching the Kingdom , whether to multitudes or ones and twos , plus confronting religious people .....all this was deemed the right accelerative environment to bring people through all 1 John 2 stages of growth, so that they would know what was overcoming the world or just being worldly . Well , at Jesus judgment they were worldly and they denied Him , but this was all part of the course .
This post was triggered by Pang William asking the worldly v overcoming the world question .
Here's a thing ...though without sin , Jesus never took the disciples on , say as trainee carpenters.
The Holy Spirit got Him to down tools and be fully into ministry , presumably because they would have been tempted to be like Jesus own brethren , who didn't perceive anything until Jesus was well into ministry.
Evangelism.....the real Holy Spirit birth process in humans
Deliverance ....the Kingdom of God coming upon a person in Jesus Name and seeing the power of God cast out hidden demons
Deliberately stepping on religious toes by the Holy Spirit
Living the supply of God
The joy of the Holy Spirit in John Crowder's post with Kathie Walters amen
If you can imagine a filter comb, all these things are joggling with the worldly spirit to get it manifest .
As we live Galatians 2.20 live we become aware of that which Jesus isn't doing . It's like a drain flow from our spirits . Jesus said if we have a single eye , or see what God is doing then our body gets filled with Light. What we call our quiet time is really going into our inner room ...which turns out to be our main new identity, a totally brand new Creation person , and the shutting our door is not as some say , the negation of soul...
No it's the Genesis 3 pulls upon the soul....in worries, depression, lust , bitternesses , rushing things .......
Madam Guyon says dont fight with the soul, just settle in your spirit .
Why is fighting with the soul wrong ?
Because it's part of the Brer Rabbit and the tar baby frequency. Its part of the Genesis 3 platform which ascribes to the soul a self empowerment it doesn't have . The devil's whole lie is that we live as self empowered front of house beings...but that's really his hook up in us . That's the whole lie made clear by Norman Grubb.
So you can see how Watchman Nee gets as far as the Black and White Dog illustration in Normal Christian Life but actually that's still the tarbaby .
The illustration is ' which one wins ?' ' The one I feed the most ".
But even that is Taoism . It's ascribing a front of house power to something which hasn't power .
Having a single eye renders evil powerless because it's not feeding it in any way . Its not accepting that anything else is truly going on other than our Father the Source of all life . Even the devil is reliant on God's life although he denies that totally . The reality is Satan pounces on us precisely to steal our life energy because his is running out .
He lies, he steals ,he kills . Where's the life source in that?
So really ....as precious as any sons of God are , it's fallen to our Jacob generation to point these things out to evangelicals and charismatics .
Yes there is Romans 3 to 5 blood covering for sin as we repent and seek forgiveness. Yes there is a free ticket to heaven.
Yes there is a Hallal Presence or flow of God that we reenter as we focus on spirit and extolling the Lord .
What we are grabbing from Watchman Nee and Norman Grubb is there is a third level also.
This is the complete walk out from our Deifying of the soul. Jesuits , after centuries of writings tucked away in the Vatican , try to mimic this way of being but really it has to be God or nothing .
New Agers talk about rising from the 5 material senses to the spiritual level .....so the animal senses and Dalek Richard Dawkins brain level they are calling third density , and we are to rise to fifth density and more and be spiritually aware .
Im thinking that that was a clever sales ploy ...
Bring in the Enlightenment to freeze us out of spirit for 200 years, flushing out Word and worship for this period ....then reintroduce spirit totally within a kundilini / snake environment where now , nobody knows any difference.
Spirituality can be just secondheavens , the arena of fallen angels . Or it can be third Heavens. The holy self for others agape of God Himself .
The devil is offering us nothing . Its like taking a toy from a baby and then making a great thing of his generosity for giving it back .
No....that's called Stockholm syndrome .
So please forgive us for not being impressed by evangelicals and charismatics . We were there . We bought the t shirt .
But if you can see Genesis 3 lurking .
In the tithing.....the automated King Davids New Cart.
The Genesis 3 lurk of the slope shoulder as we assume a leader other than Christ of what is meant to be a Melchizedek ecclesia .....calling the Egyptian pyramid order leader Pope , local priest, vicar or pastor......
No , we now see God going on in the THREE DIVERSES of 1 Corinthians 12.
Like Jesus sending out in twos , then ascending and giving gifts to men ... we see how revival Presence keeps all of us on our spiritual toes .
Im sure there's always a role for the Matthew Rodney Howard Browne Alpha male ....Paul puts these in his lists as ' leaders '.....but there's no place for one Rodney Howard Browne or else the other Matthews go off and play golf .
So we have to completely relearn how ecclesia operates. But to be fair every revival does that .Thats the difference with revival Presence . Nobody is cocksure in Revival Presence are they ? Everybody walks very gingerly indeed .
This is entirely what Jesus modelled.
He didn't come in his own Name .
He didn't judge with His judgment.
He only did what He saw His Father doing.
Bit of a ramble from John Crowder and Pang Williams post , and Remnant media......
But there's some important stuff here , 37 years after Norman's Yes I Am book .
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