Monday, 14 January 2013

Atheist Has A Vivid Dream of Heaven

(Originally posted on 27 December 2012 03:02 AM Facebook) 
 through  Annalize Mouton -  South Africa


Author Unknown, just initials AC

Foreword:

I have read many many dreams and visions in the last decade, and I have to admit, this ranks as among the best. It is the most plausible, inspiring, uplifting, heartwarming testimony I have ever read.

About two thirds down the page you will read this line:

"Your words.. born in the fires of agony and trials.. will touch many lives.. and also save many lives.. "

How true these words are, as it touched my life, as I can identify with it. 


 DREAM

I was raised an atheist.

Utterly godless.

Not even agnostic.

No gods.. fairies.. Santa's or bunnies...Believed nothing at all.

I saw all the trouble and confusion it caused and wanted nothing to do with it.

I see Christians always fighting and debating and being hypocrites all the time.

I see new agers not really having a clue what it is they actually believe in, and going in circles.

I see all the other religions all banging their head on a wall but achieving nothing but headaches.

I wanted no part in it and still don't.

But I had a dream / vision when I was 15 that changed my life, but it was not until about a year ago it took effect, and according to the dream it will not be until after tomorrow (28 December 2012), when I turn 44, that it finds fulfilment.

I was 15...still a kid.. but wondering what it was all about, seeing as everything was so totally pointless and without a reason or a goal.

Being an atheist is the most pointless life one can live.. so empty of purpose or meaning.

And like all kids I needed purpose and meaning.

So the dream./ vision...

It was September the 28th 1984....a day I will never forget, because its the day my life was taken right OUT of my hands, and I realised that none of us really have a choice...only a will directed by the one who makes the choices.

I remember so clearly.. sitting on my bed that night...looking out the window at the stars. Wondering why they were there.. what purpose they served.. if any at all. I remember asking the same thing of myself.. what was my purpose.. did I have a purpose...or was it all pointless.. an illusion.. meaningless and dead?

That night I lay down on my bed.. still wondering what it was all about... and I had a dream....or a vision.. not sure which but it was incredibly vivid.. I was there.. could feel.. hear.. smell....

Where was I?

(Keep in mind up UNTIL that point I had never even looked into a bible or any religious book.. so what I saw was not previously planted in there)

One moment I was on my bed.. in a half awake half sleep state.. a trance you might call it. That zone you are in where you are still aware but also.. not aware. I found myself about 200 meters in the air...an air that was NOT air as we know it. I looked around in shock...I was there.. this was no dream.. I panicked at first cause I thought I was dead.. and for all I know.. I was.

After adjusting to this "Shock" I was able to look around me.. where I was...and what I saw....Spreading around me in every direction to a horizon that just was not there.. was THE most incredible landscape I have ever seen. No majestic scene on earth comes close to this.. awesome.. the SCOPE of it... endless.. and solid and real.

Vast jungles.. parks.. majestic mighty mountains.. oceans the size of earth itself.. and lakes as big as oceans.

Waterfalls a hundred kilometres high.. mighty rivers packed with life.. crystal clear...the trees...small and great.. colourful.. detailed.. each one unique and some full of flowers of colours vivid and bright.. some full of fruit of weird shapes and hue.

ALL was alive.. in a life that was LIFE.. not just living things.. but LIVING beings.. they were not just alive.. they WERE life in its essence...each leaf.. blade of grass.. creature and fish.. bird and reptile.. were not JUST alive.. its like they WERE EMANATING life...

This mighty and majestic landscape went on and on.

What I thought were small hills in the distance, turned out to be mighty mountain ranges that make the Himalayas look like a badly thought up joke in comparison.

The waterfall immediately to my left upon arrival there...WOW...it was (I later found out) over 300 kilometres form where I floated.. and even at that distance it was so utterly magnificent...rising up and up.. above eye level.. like looking UP at a river.. It descended down the side of a "small" (compared to some of the other mountains there) 100 kilometres high cliff face...falling.. cascading.. majestic.. and throwing of rainbows in its mighty mist...

I could go on and on about the details.. but I am going to stick with the main part...and that is.. WHO was standing "Or floating" there beside me.. who until that moment I had not noticed..

I turned to my right...and...wow...there was this bloke...who I Immediately KNEW was The creator of all I saw. I didn't know his name.. I just KNEW HE was responsible for it all..

He was about 6 foot...medium build.. strong.. yet supple.. he had an air of authority about him.. like a mighty fighter who could whip anyone but with ease.. and KNEW it.. but was humble and gentle and didn't brag about it.

His hair was white...but not from age.. more of a symbol of purity kind of white. Like a judge would wear a white wig as a symbol. But this hair was no wig. It was his own.

He wore a sort of robe.. not ancient.. yet not modern. Like a royal robe of state. Across his chest from right shoulder to left hip was a red/purple sash about 6 inches wide, interwoven with gold threads.

The robe went to just above his ankles. He had sandals on. But not ancient looking. More of a modern look. But in looking there.. at his feet...I saw holes in them...Then with a shock.. I saw his hands.. they too had holes in them.. just at the ends of his wrists.. each hole about half an inch wide. There was no blood and the wounds were not festy or horrible. They.. were worn like a status symbol.. a mark.. more than an annoying wound. I had the urge to kneel.. but realised I didn't have a body to kneel with.

So I just looked at him.. KNOWING he could read every thought...and knew my intent was to kneel if only I could have.

He knew.

He just smiled at me.. joy glittering in his eyes.. eyes.. so.. blue.. gold.. green...all colours.. fire.. eyes of fire.. like an opal of magnificent brilliance.

He seemed to radiate a real.. friendliness.. happiness.. total peace.. yet utter and mighty authority.

You felt at ease with him.. yet so humbled as well.

I finally said to him (Well.. I thought it)...."You are God?"

He said simply..."(I AM)"

I thought to myself "This cant be real.. there IS no "God"... I am imagining all this.. I MUST be..."He smiled even broader.. if that were possible.. like he was amused at my simple yet certain belief in nothing. It was not a snide enjoyment he was feeling.. it was more like you would smile at a toddler who said something cute.

He said, knowing my turmoil and thoughts, "Come.. let me show you your destiny" as we started moving through this "Air" that was not air...gliding off at about 60 k an hour it seemed. I was able to measure the speed we were moving, because we floated over a sort of highway with trees planted at regular intervals along it.

It was a twin highway.. divided in two by a river. The river was about 40 meters across.. clear as crystal.. pure and so inviting. I had the urge to go and swim in it for some reason...even though I didn't actually have a solid body.

The highway was about 15 meters across on each side of the river. And spaced about 200 meters apart were bridges. There were people down there below us.. ordinary .. people.. some dressed in modern garb.. some in robes like togas.. some wearing nothing but light.. if that's possible. All were people.. they looked to be about 25 or so.. healthy.. vibrant.. solid and real.

I saw children as well.. playing in the river.. laughing and jumping off the bridges into the water. Laughter.. lots of laughter and joy. It seemed to permeate this amazing place. Here and there among the people I saw beings.. LIKE people but different. Taller...powerful.. yet gentle. Talking to people.. walking with them.. some carried books and other things. They seems to be instructing.. and also being instructed. Like they were learning as well. ( These, as it turns out, were angels.. and NO.. they DID NOT have wings )

I saw benches.. tables.. set along the river under the trees. People and beings alike would sit and talk.. smiling.. laughing.. some in deep thought or conversation.. some being light-hearted, some being serious.. like they were contemplating some new revelation they had just stumbled upon.

In all it was a very busy.. yet very relaxed scene.

The trees themselves were amazing. Mighty branches.. spreading out in majestic awnings of life over the river and the benches below. I saw fruit in the trees.. gold.. green.. orange.. purple.. blue.. all sorts of colours. People were picking the fruit here and there and casually eating it.. like it was just the "Done" thing...and there were no scraps. There were no pips or skins left over.

People looked up at us as we passed overhead. They waved and smiled.. at BOTH of us.. yes.. I was very visible to them. I was not sure how to wave back.. because I had no body to wave with.

"Jesus" or "Yeshuah" or whatever you want to call him...waved back.. smiling.. laughing.. joyful and at peace with his creatures.

I looked out beyond.. to what was ahead of us. I saw fields. Stretching on and on and on.. I saw lights dotted here and there over these fields.

I asked "Jesus" "What are those lights? "He said.. "They are cities.. or towns. Dwellings and hubs of commerce." "Commerce" I thought? Of what USE is commerce in this place?

He just looked at me and smiled.. and said "you will know in time.. see.. there is our destination" He said.. pointing directly to the end of the highway...

I looked.. way way ahead...seemed like thousands of k's.. into the far distance...there was a bright light.. like a brilliant sunrise.. multi hued.. radiating colours beyond description...and the music...you could FEEL the music coming from it. It was everywhere.. yet I was not actually conscious of it till I concentrated on it. Harmony.. pure harmony.. rising from one stanza to the next.. to reach a crescendo.. only to fade out into the next phase.. ever building to a climax.. but never reaching it.. music without beat.. without end.. timeless.. eternal.. pure..



I was STUNNED...nothing on earth was anything like this music of colour blended with sound...had I had a body I would have exploded in sheer joy at just five seconds of exposure to this eternal symphony...I was surrounded by it from the moment I arrived.. but not until THIS moment had I actually put my focus on it..

I was hooked...

I said (Or thought) in stunned amazement..."WHAT is THAT?"

HE smiled and said simply.. "THAT..is the capital.. where my father dwells.. and where we are now going"

So on we went. He was talking to me the whole time.. but I was not really paying attention. I was utterly wrapped up with where we were heading.. trying to lose myself in the eternal song...I wanted to BE the song.. to join with it.

But try as I might I could not quite grasp the flow of it. It changed from one moment to the next.. always ascending into a new and unique stanza.. and just when I thought I "Had" it, and was about to hum along with it.. it would blend and change into something new.. and no two stanzas EVER repeated.. each was unique.. each a masterpiece.. each never to be heard again.. as ever new stanzas were created and blended into the whole.. always building.. always growing.. always new.. always.. utterly without description.

He kept speaking to me.. telling me of events to come in my life.. main points and turnings in my life ahead. I was half aware of what he was saying.. but he knew I was lost in the song.

And this was why he waited until I was lost in the song to tell me. Because everything he told me about my life ahead was forgotten on my conscious level.. like a half remembered dream. But as each event actually took place in my life, the memory would surface.. like a vivid Deja Vu.. and it would all be clear...and I would KNOW this event.. good or bad.. was ALL part of the plan.

We travelled for what seemed like days...or hours.. or minutes.. its hard to tell time in a place that has no time. He laid out my entire life before me.. from conception to birth, to the present (That moment when I was 15) to the very end.. which is only a few years away now ..going by the events and their sequence.

Tomorrow I turn 44.. (28 December 2012) THAT year is PIVOTAL for me (AND.. for the world as a whole).



As to why??.. well.. its something he said when we reached the capital. I will get to that soon.. because I want to describe the capital.. its AWESOME.. and one heck of a work of master building and insane architecture..(Insane as in AWESOME.. not crazy). As we drew closer the music did not get "Louder".. it was at the same volume no matter where you were. But the light display that accompanied it grew ever more brilliant.

The colours would flow with the music.. each wave of scintillating fire.. colour fire...wove through the sounds as they emanated from the centre.. like and explosion of choreographed fireworks accompanying the music. The sounds were the colours.. and the colours were the source of the sound.

The centre.. where the brilliance emanated from, still seemed hundreds of kilometres away...still set on this impossible horizon that was not a horizon.. and at this point we reached the outskirts of the main capital.. and WOW....

I saw the first buildings. Modest really. Reasonably "Simple".. compared with what I saw further in. But even these "Simple" structures put to shame anything on earth.

Take your basic hovel there for example...the LOWEST of the simple buildings...I focussed upon one in particular, just to burn into my memory what the LEAST of the creative powers of the master builder was capable of.. It was about the size of your average house here on earth.

It was constructed of pure elements.

There were no bricks or mortar.. no alloys or mixtures. Each part of that building was pure element. For example.. the windows.. framed with a rich ebony like substance, shot through with gold veins.

Each pane was.. what LOOKED like pure diamond.. or crystal. The walls of the house were like a sort of moonstone.. opaque.. yet solid. Light flowed in and through the walls themselves.. like a fibre optic cable in actual application.

The light was taken from all around and magnified throughout the house. The windows would break the light into amazing colours and decorate the interior with rainbows of fantastic hue.. then the walls would absorb and magnify the light, and sent it streaming outward.. to the house next to it.. and the process would repeat.. along each house.. all sharing this amazing visual display and amplifying it to its peak.. only to send it along again to the next dwelling.. and the next...

I was utterly flabbergasted...WHAT a design.. and the mind who thought up this amazing idea of optical brilliance must be unfathomable.

I looked at the creator there next to me...amazed at how brilliant he was.. that even the "Simplest" of his building designs were thousands of light years beyond the most brilliant minds of earth.

I saw Him with an ever increasing respect.. and awe.. He just looked at me and smiled again.. enjoying the moment.. like you would enjoy the look on your child's face as he sees with awe something his father had spent time and effort on constructing JUST for you...a sort of pride of workmanship.. satisfaction in a job well done.

Yes.. he enjoyed making all these constructs.. he really enjoys creating things...and loves to challenge himself in each ones uniqueness from the next.. and each ones amazing simple complexity.

He IS an artist without compare.. and keep in mind.. this was just one of his "SIMPLE" designs...there was far more amazing things ahead as we headed towards the centre of the capital.. I took my focus then off this one house.. and noticed with awe.. again.. HOW the "Suburbs" were designed.

No two houses were the same.. each had it own unique design.. and yet.. each and every house.. some close to others.. some farther apart.. each one when seen from the air as we were...fit into a grander pattern.

Have you aver seen a fractal?...design and structure without end?

It was like that.

The suburbs were woven into an ever expanding pattern of extreme order.. and no two streets.. or houses.. were the same.. but all fit together into an amazing grand work of art. The very colours of the houses.. silver.. gold.. platinum.. marble of all hues.. ebony.. copper.. crystal.. diamond.. amethyst.. citrine.. even a sort of purple metal that I could not name.. all wove together to form an amazing tapestry of design.

Some single storey.. some double.. some triple.. and these were just the OUTTERMOST buildings...the "Simple" ones.. and the light flowing through each house.. from house to house.. flowed from the centre.. the storm of ordered colour and sound.. flowing throughout the houses.. in an ever changing spiral of amazing complexity.. lighting up the entire scene in a kaleidoscope of utter amazement.

I simply could not grasp it all...I looked at my creator again...with awe.. and he just enjoyed the moment.. he even pointed out some unique parts of the design.. like the way the river we had been following all this time was woven into the suburbs in vast spirals.. interwoven waterways...each house having a small part of this river flowing near or through or under it.. feeding the whole.

The main river flowed on ahead...surrounded by the most majestic landscaping I have ever seen.. parks.. fountains.. groves of trees planted in amazing patterns.. according to size and colour.. all woven around the river which was the main theme.. all flowed from the river.. and the river flowed from..... well.. the THRONE.

There.. in the distance.. rising above the houses.. was a building unlike all the others in size. But.. it was also.. easily recognised AS a throne. Hard to explain unless you actually see it. We travelled on and on...following the river...towards the centre.. where the light and sound had its source..

We began to rise up higher.. we reached about.. I would estimate.. about ten kilometres. He did this JUST so I could grasp SOME of the layout.. and even then from that height the city stretched out seemingly forever.. I could NOT see the edge of it.. we were close to the centre now.. only a few hundred kilometres away.

I looked down in awe.. yet again.. as I saw SOME of the overall design. It was indeed a fractal.. a very organic fractal. Spirals of ever increasing complexity.. colours of amazing hue and vibrance flowed majestically through each "Suburb".. blending with the whole in an endless dance of incredible design and workmanship.

The river.. flowing ever straight towards the centre.. the tributaries woven into and through the "Suburbs" like a blue/silver lattice work.. woven INTO the grand design like threads of a complex embroidery.

And everywhere.. people.. LOTS of people.. and angels.. and millions of children. Running.. playing.. having an awesome time. No tears...no cries.. all happy and all having an absolute BLAST. The kids.. I tell you.. the kingdom of heaven IS theirs.. there are SO MANY of them there.

But considering there are 30 million abortions each year.. its not really surprising. I looked around.. I saw ahead a "Blank" spot in the series of majestic spirals and parklands. A field.. a circle.. of pure gold.. like a field of burnished glass.. like a bright citrine colour. It was about 200 kilometres across from edge to edge. It was transparent.. because I could see the river flowing UNDER it...from right under the structure in the centre.. the building that was ALSO a throne....and looked to be about two kilometres high. We began to descend towards it.

Gradually getting closer and closer.. the field was empty.. not a thing stirred on it.. not a bird flew over it.. like.. it was "Reserved" for something.. untouchable until the moment its use was ready. The creator and I settle down and down.. drifting closer and closer to the throne...and this is the weird part...AS we drew closer to the throne.. WE either became bigger.. OR.. the throne became smaller...not sure which.. The throne was white.. pure white shot through with veins of gold-like fire.

Solid.. eternal.. and yet.. it was also a structure.. a dwelling. I never did get an explanation for that except to realise that it was also an "Admin" building.. like a courthouse.. seat of parliament.. something like that.

We settled down right in front of it. I reached out to touch it.. and then realised I had no body.. as such. But I DID feel something...like a purity.. awesome power of utter authority.. like the place where ALL decisions are made and all cases ended.

This is where it got serious for me...There I "Stood".. at the base of the throne.. KNOWING I had been there before.. like a massive.. MASSIVE Deja Vu hit me all at once. I RECOGNISED this sea of fire.. of golden glass.. I KNEW this throne.. I KNEW this entire field.. but WHERE..WHEN??.....

My creator looked at me.. like he was waiting for the realisation to hit me fully...he was not smiling at this moment.. he was rather serious.. like he WANTED me to remember.. the moment...of WHEN I had been there before...and was just patiently waiting for the memory to take shape...

Having realised I HAD been there before I said

"Lord creator. (I didn't know how else to address him at that time). I know.. I know YOU..I KNOW you now.. I've seen you.. this place.. this throne.. this sea of fire/glass.. I HAVE been here.. with you.. but.. when?.. It does not seem like long ago.. and yet.. HOW?.."

He looked at me with a slight grin.. he kinda looked proud of me in a way and said "

"15 years ago earth time you sat with me on my lap, up there on that throne. You were an infant.. full of life and questions and curiosity. You were fresh from my mind.. created almost an instant before, brought into being on earth direct from my very spirit itself. You were born very premature. You did not want to stay at first so I brought you here to explain a few things and give you a choice. But first I sent you back telling you your time was not yet.. you had a destiny to fulfil and if you had stayed you would never see it take place. being an infant you did not understand, so back you came, rather stubbornly I might add. "

He continued.. despite my looks of.. confusion ???...

"So I explained patiently.. while bouncing you on my knee...the joy that awaited you.. and millions of others.. IF you went back and lived out your planned destiny. I told you that the reward for going back would be well worth it, and beyond imagination. You looked at me with baby blue eyes asking why.. eyes I fashioned to look similar to mine. I like blue.. its my favourite colour.. as it is yours" (Yes.. I love blue.. always have.. and there I found out why).

He went on to say...

"15 years ago earth time you didn't want any part in that destiny.. you kept trying to leave your body.. small and frail as it was.. you wanted to be here with me.. your "Daddy" as you called me from the depths of your innocent infant spirit. How I loved it.. to hear you call me that. I am your "daddy"... I am everyone's "Daddy" if only they would realise it.. and through your final decision to return and live your life... many millions WILL."

I asked him.. rather dumbfounded "So.. I died as an infant.. willingly.. died.. JUST so I could be here with you?"

He said "Yes.. twice you actually succeeded.. and you tried many other times as well.. before you managed to stop your own heart by an act of your will. The first time I sent you right back after a brief explanation. The second time.. I KNEW you would come back because I was the one who created IN you the curiosity and pure stubbornness to GET a full explanation of the facts. You have an inquiring mind.. one I created FOR the purpose of your destiny.. you will find it very useful in the days ahead.. but also.. it will also be a hindrance at times.. but that's why I gave you a mind like this.. to BE an "Overcomer".

An "overcomer" I said?...WHAT is that?

He smiled broadly and motioned his hand out over the sea stretching out before us to the "horizon"..."See this field.. this sea of glass??.. in a few decades you, and millions of others will be here.. and yes.. your sister and daughters as well (Daughters.. I will have DAUGHTERS??) will all be here.. jumping and leaping for joy.. as the climax of all creation is made known to all.

I asked him...

"So I've been here.. and chose to go back once you explained WHY I had to go back. "?He said "Yes.. I was very proud of you.. you are a fighter.. you never give up.. although you do tend to be discouraged easily.. but you also get up again and again.. you never quit.. THAT is why I am proud of you. You fall and fail.. yet you try and try again. Its not how many time you fail I take note of.. its how many times you get up again and keep going.

THAT is character.. and character is all important and vital for what comes after your life on earth is complete."

I looked at him and said "Huh"?..(rather stupidly I might add)

He just grinned and said "There is coming a time soon.. a few decades from now earth time...when all you have learnt.. and all you will learn will find its meaning. You think you will sit around being all happy here in this place doing nothing forever? NO.. you will have work to do.. places to oversee.. administration.. government.. all very busy.. and decisions will be needed.. from people with character.. people who have gone through the fires and beat them.. and.. people who are wise.. strong.. resilient.. steadfast.. in a word.. overcomers"

He went on to say "Now you know why you never knew me except as an infant. You know why...because in all the things you have gone through these last 15 years.. you grew character.. without the "Crutch" of religion....you fought on and on.. you overcame your weak frail body.. it grew strong.. you overcame the sicknesses that resulted from your premature birth... you overcame the anger and grief of your mother...you overcame the incessant teasing at school.. the bullying and the physical beatings.. just because you were "Different"...you saw through the lies on TV.. you never bought into the rubbish...the deceptions.. you kept on and on.. always asking.. looking.. reading and searching.. for deep down you KNEW there was more to this life than met the eye.. and deep down.. was the seed I had planted there when you and I had our little chat.. and now here you are today...and I am answering your question in full.. for know.. that all was not in vain.. life DOES have a purpose.. far greater than you can ever imagine."

I stood there.. taking it all in.. it suddenly all made sense...all the trouble I had been in.. the hurt.. the pain.. the despair.. the victories.. again and again.. a cycle of defeats.. followed by victories.. and followed again by defeats.. and followed again by victories.

I was always alone.. never a friend...but I kept going.. I KNEW.. even though I actually "Believed" in nothing.. that I was WRONG somehow in that "belief".. which.. after all.. was NOT a belief but an assumption.

He stood there...letting it all soak in.. it all fit together.. and explained a lot of what had happened in my childhood.. the early formative years of the basic character I would need in the next three decades.. as he was just about to warn me about... He said "Come with me.. up there.."

We both rose up to the throne.. and we sat on it together.. looking out over the sea of citrine yellow fire.. glowing in awesome majesty.. vacant.. for now...

(I was not actually "Sitting" as I was in spirit.. no body as such.. but you get the idea)

He pointed down to a spot near the front of the throne.. slightly to the right of it and said. "Know this for a fact...in less than 4 decades from now earth time.. YOU.. and your two daughters.. will be standing right there.. on that very spot.. you will be leaping and shouting victory.. joy.. gladness.. your arms around your young ones, who I will bless you with at the right time.. and there you will finally understand all that you are to go through in the next 35 years. Behind you.. surrounding you.. will be many many people.. who will only be there because of your words.. what you say.. and because of the moment you said them. No one will know you.. you will not be on a stage.. or on a movie or in a book. Just your words.. will spread out and impact many lives.

There.. standing there where I am pointing

(He raised his hand and pointed to the exact spot I will be standing in three decades or so from then)

I will acknowledge you to the others.. the ones who are there because you CHOSE to stay on and fight through.. I will let them all know your name.. and then you can spend the rest of the 1000 years meeting them all.. and sharing your testimony in person.. and hearing theirs. It will be an amazing time for you.. you will be utterly astounded at just who you reached with your words.. and their effects.

Nothing happens for nothing.

Your words.. born in the fires of agony and trials.. will touch many lives.. and also save many lives.. and the reason I tell you this now.."

( He suddenly got all serious.. His smile of joy at the future memory of this event faded.. and the present came rushing back in.. and with.. a tear?...in his eye.. and a sadness I could only see the edge of..)

He continued...

"In the years ahead.. you will try to find me.. here.. there...you will look and search...you will try churches.. drugs.. alcohol.. parties.. friends.. all looking for me...trying to find WHERE I can be found on earth. You will forget most of what I have told you today UNTIL the day BEFORE it all comes to pass.. and your true destiny begins.. which will be in your 44th year ...."

( THAT is tomorrow.. I turn 44..and YES.. its only NOW.. the DAY BEFORE.. that I remember EVERY WORD he said to me that day so long ago.. until TODAY...I could only remember bits.. and the place itself.. NOT the warnings or the details)

He continued...

"...in the years ahead.. you will long to die.. you will experience such deep despair.. such grief.. so much pain. The fires will forge you.. stronger and stronger you will become with each forging. There will be three times you will attempt to take your life.. which I will prevent.. three times you will survive.. and get up and keep going.. again.. each step.. closer to the final product."

"You will die to yourself.. you will die to this world.. you will eventually die out to the "Need" of human love.. finding it to be untrustworthy and fickle .You will know in the end.. only MY love is certain.. and only I can be counted upon.



And on that day.. you will walk as a lion.. fearless.. dead to the world.. trusting only in me.. and THAT.. is the reason I will let you wander.. to find out once and for all as Solomon once did.. that ALL.. apart FROM me.. is vanity.

And there.. lies real strength...and courage.. and wisdom...and with those three attributes forged INTO you by the fires of life itself.. you will march forth in your 44th year.. and devastate so many lies...so many half truths.. you will clear a pathway.. just with your words.. to truth.. to life.. and many will follow.. but NOT YOU...they will follow the TRUTH you have learnt so hard.

No one will EVER know who you are.. until that day.. the day I tell all, in front of the vast crowd.. your accomplishments. Both yours.. and many other warriors who will have done similar to you.

You will receive your reward then.. no sooner.

So.. go now.. back to earth...and I will be with you every step.. I will guide your every step.. and I will not let a single hair on your head be harmed.

There will be many attempts on your life by the evil one.. I will guard you.. see there?

( He pointed out across the field.. and there.. hovering above the field were two angels.. BIG ones..stern..strong..6 feet across at the shoulders.. at least 16 feet high...each dressed like a warrior.. with a ten foot long broadsword in a jewelled scabbard.. ready for anything)

These two have been with you since birth.. they are your protectors.. in the days of your destiny you will get to know them personally.. but until then they will remain hidden.. from you.. and from others.. but NOT from the forces of darkness...who will flee left and right at their very look.. thus no harm will ever come to you.. you must be kept alive at all costs.. even against your own attempts to end your life.. you cant even harm yourself.. much as you are going to want to.



(As it turns out.. I DID try to kill myself three times.. and each time.. it failed...overdose.. nothing.. just woke up a week later feeling great...drink myself to death?.. nup... I always passed out or vomited it all up..CAR accident?.. Head on crash at over 130 kph into a concrete pole which left the car a burning wreck?.. same.. was flung from the car as it burst into flame.. not a hair singed.. and not a scratch...that was my last attempt.. I gave up trying to kill myself after that.. no point.)

He then looked me right in the eye.. with his amazing eyes of multi hued blue fire and said..

"(My name)...in the years immediately following this conversation.. you will remember only parts of what I have said. Here and there I will allow a brief flash of remembrance. During dark times.. when you need it the most.

But for the most part your decisions.. and mistakes.. and outright rebellions, will be your own. But they too are a part of what you must learn. You will even get very angry at me in several years time.. when you fail to find me in any churches or doctrines or drugs or books or seminars. You will even curse the day you were born.. and your anger and grief will lead to some dreadful mistakes.. but those same mistakes will be the making of you.. your anger and your grief at not "Finding me" will in fact be what allows you to find me in the end.

A week before you turn 44 the final test will come.. your family will disown you and turn against you... and in that moment you will make a final decision (WHICH I did) which will enable the memory of all I have told you to re-surface one day before you turn 44..and when you do.. begin...for your 44th year is when everything you have ever learnt will come into play. The world will grow very dark.. people will be dying and losing hope.. BE that hope for them.. and tell them.. they DO have a "Daddy".. that I am here FOR them.. and that nothing in their lives has happened for nothing either.. as I hold all events.. and every life.. well and truly in the palms of my hand. Now go.. and I will see you again here...in just under 4 decades your time, from now.

Then.. BANG... just like that.. I opened my eyes...and looked at the clock next to my bed...I was there for what seemed like hours.. or days.. but only about five minutes had passed.

And true to his word...I forgot almost everything he said...until today...

ADENDUM

BTW.

After I wrote it more came back to my memory of the event.

The last year for me has been hard. very very hard. I wont go into details but the events of my life just in the last 12 months leading up to today.. the last day of my 43rd year.. were the final stage. I am dead to this world now. And going by what I can remember now of that event 28 years ago...I can see why.

There is a vast and terrifying abyss just ahead. Many millions dying.. war.. death.. loss of hope. Our whole way of life.. our entire civilisation.. will soon be in ruin..

That is when lights shine the brightest.. when darkness falls.

The darkness falls very soon. Before the middle of next year... I cant see clearly WHAT it is.. I only know its devastating.. and permanent.. as in.. it ends western civilisation.. forever.

One other thing I know about what's coming..

THERE WILL BE NO WARNING...NO one will predict it.. NO prophet will warn of it.. NO one will KNOW.. until the final few seconds.

Its going to be FAST and SUDDEN and WORLD SHAKING..NO warning.. not even from the Lord.

The ONLY clue I have been given regarding the beginning of the end is...it will happen on an ordinary day. A day just like any other. No change.. no "feeling" of impending doom...just a sudden and shocking CHANGE.. and nothing will ever be the same again.

Our epoch ends.. just.. like.. that.(Snap of fingers)

Then following this change.. this devastating world rocking event.. comes the harvest.

Then before the year 2020,,,the final end.

I was told I would see it.. the return. Its right at the end. I was also told I would not see the age of 50 in my current body.

I am 44 tomorrow. That is the year I was told my destiny and all these years of hardships.. stupid mistakes.. lessons learnt.. and character building would all find the uses.

We have.. I feel.. but a few weeks of "Normal" left.

When the change comes.. it will catch everyone totally off guard.

They are already off guard because of the December 21st campaign.. designed BY the media.. to achieve just that.

Now they have an entire world population not caring one bit about any predictions or prophecies or forebodings.

Everyone is asleep.. as planned.." and the flood came on a day they knew not.. and took them all away"...as in the days of Noah.. so shall it be again...and so it actually IS...NOW.

END
MORE ON THIS SUBJECT from my post 12th October 2008

Heaven and the Glory - People who have been there. The great thing about these testimonies is, like the gospels themselves, they are different enough to know they are not cloned, that they contain new information, but they tally enough with all the rest...and some contain such striking similarities...while all bear out the scriptures on heaven in our Bibles.Here's looking forward to what's in store Kings kids!!!!
Percy Collett: I walked in heaven with Jesus. 12 cassette series of a 3 day trip to heaven by an American missionary to South American indiginous peoples. Had prayed for decades to be able to see heaven (In my possession - pressed into my hands at Martin Franke's wedding by a little South Korean lady, who said she had prayed who to give this to.)seems to be divided up and can now be downloaded
Roberts Liardon: We saw Heaven. Also 2 other extremely important items. Liardon's God's Generals series, which Jesus specifically commissioned him to complete when he went to heaven. Also Smith Wigglesworth : His Complete Life and Teachings.......a collection in the same vein as the John G Lake book.
Jesse Duplantis: Close Encounters of The God Kind 2 DVD set. Again an amazing testimony.
Ian Mc Cormack A Glimpse of Eternity - free download. You may want to donate a gift to his work
Don Piper: 90 minutes in Heaven ISBN 1 84291 227 5 
Angels.....Charles and Frances Hunter : Angels on Assignment
HA Baker (Roland Baker's grandad) Visions Beyond The Veil
Terry Law :The Truth About Angels

Friday, 11 January 2013

Rich Novek's new Devotional


Click on the front  cover to inspect  and possibly order a copy of Rich's new book on Amazon.Not just a devotional, more a completely new way of seeing.


Thursday, 10 January 2013

Just not serious enough a Pioneer!

 


Our Founder's ministry began, turning water into wine. 
He was accused of being a drunkard often, mainly because he sometimes ate with such. 
According to records the first 120 or so members of His new church were found drunk.
We must apologise for our Leader.He was obviously inexperienced and didn't understand how serious religion is. 
Sadly He didn't take death that seriously walking out of his own tomb as a gardener.

Monday, 7 January 2013

Covenant Glory - Rich Novek

 From Rich Novek's Blog

When Jesus said, “take not a thought for your life” He was in fact pointing to Covenant.
The two parties involved in making the Covenant would cut up an animal (or animals) into several pieces and then walk between the pieces in the form of a figure eight, symbolizing the eternal nature of their Covenant.  And all along they would recite the Covenant blessings, curses, promises, etc.
By agreeing to participate in the Covenant ceremony, each partner was saying, “let what has happened to this animal happen to me if I ever break Covenant with you.”
In the following two passages in Psalms 50, God is talking about the seriousness of Covenant.
“Gather to me this consecrated people, who made a Covenant with me by sacrifice.” (Psalm 50:5)
“Consider this, you who forget God, or I will tear you to pieces, with none to rescue: (Psalm 50:22)
The reference having to do with being torn to pieces points to the animal pieces they both walk through, and points to the overall seriousness of the covenant.
This was the type of agreement that was made between David and Jonathan, and also the reason David was obligated to search for Jonathan’s descendants (Mephibosheth) after Jonathan was killed in battle along with his father Saul.
So Jonathan made a Covenant with the house of David, saying, “May the Lord call David’s enemies to account.”  And Jonathan had David reaffirm his oath out of love for him, because he loved him as he loved himself. (I Samuel 20:16-17)
Thankfully, God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Abram (Abraham) before he was able to walk through the broken animal pieces, and woke up just on time to see something truly amazing!
And He said unto him, Take me a heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.  And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.  And when the fowls came down upon the carcasses, Abram drove them away.  And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.  And He said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.  And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.  But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.   And it came to pass, that, WHEN THE SUN WENT DOWN AND IT WAS DARK, BEHOLD A SMOKING FURNACE AND A BURNING LAMP THAT PASSED BETWEEN THOSE PIECES.  In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: (Genesis15:9-21)
So what was this SMOKING FURNACE AND BURNING LAMP that passed between the pieces in place of Abram (Abraham)?
His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of rushing waters. (Revelation: 1:15)
Moses is writing these words in I Samuel to the Israelites who are walking in the wilderness.  They are being led through the wilderness by the presence of God.  In the daytime they see God’s Glory as a cloud over the tabernacle and at night a pillar of fire.  A smoking oven and flaming torch is none other than the Eternal One, Christ, walking through the pieces and fulfilling the terms of the Covenant with His own Father.
For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent (covenant) promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust. (II Peter 1:4).
Since we could never keep the promises of any Covenant, especially a Covenant with God Himself, Christ took our place and then included us IN His Life…by Grace alone through Faith alone.
The one characteristic of Covenant that overshadows anything is the mutual agreement that takes place between each partner, that it is no longer I who live for myself, my purpose now is to live only for my Covenant partner (s).
I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives IN me. The life I now live IN the body, I live by the Faith of  the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. (Galatians 2:20)
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God IN Him. (II Corinthians 5:21)
The very heart of Covenant: I no longer live for myself or take a thought for my own life.  I have in fact willingly died to everything that concerns me, including my hopes, dreams, debts, and assets, not to mention every one of my earthly relationships.  I NOW count all of my life as loss in comparison to knowing my Covenant partner as my new Life!  NOW my only concerns are His concerns, just as all of my concerns are NOW His only concern.
So what does that mean to us as believers?
It means we receive all of our Covenant partner’s assets and liabilities and that He in turn receives all of ours. BUT…because of the sacrifice of Christ and the “it is finished” work of the Cross, God is NOW our Covenant partner, and as the ALL who fills ALL, we also know He doesn’t have any liabilities.  And in the exact same way we NOW know apart from Christ who has become our life, we don’t have any assets!
For you died, and your life is NOW hidden with Christ IN God.  When Christ, who is your (only) Life, appears, then you also will appear with Him IN Glory. (Colossians 3:3-4)
So who is it that gets the better deal, and what are the similarities between the Glory of God and Covenant?
“I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my Glory to another or my praise to idols (Isaiah 42:8)
Not only is the Gory of God all about Him alone, but our only reason for being here is for the Glory of God.
So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, DO IT ALL for the Glory of God. (I Corinthians 10:31)
But the reality is, we can DO nothing without the One who we NOW know as our Life doing it IN and through us.
For it is God (alone) which worketh IN you both to will and to do of His good pleasure. (Philippians 2:13)
Covenant is all about our Covenant partner, it is all about a life that has as its only focus, “I no longer live for myself, but for my Covenant partner” and in the same way my Covenant partner literally lives His Life for me.
Christ IN us really is our only hope of Glory!. (Colossians 1:27)
God’s Glory is all about God, and as we give Him the Glory that He alone deserves, we realize the Christ who lives IN us and as us is the GLORY OF GOD!  In other words, we NOW are able to see how we also benefit in ways we never could have, had we never received the revelation of His Covenant Glory!
With this in mind, we constantly pray for you, that our God may make you worthy of His calling, and that by His power (alone) He may bring to fruition your every desire for goodness and your every deed prompted by Faith (by the Faith of the Son of God).  We pray this SO THAT…the Name of our Lord Jesus may be “glorified” IN you, and you IN Him, according to the Grace (alone) of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ. (II Thessalonians 1:11-12)

Sunday, 6 January 2013

Make Loads of Cash NOW from the Different Gospel

Hi, my name is Apostle Seymour Butt.
May I introduce myself.I have made loads of money through the Kingdom of God, and now for only $99 (SPOOF)I am revealing all the techniques you need to build the church as fast and as profitably as I have in the last 35 years.
 You won't have heard of me, but I am the one all the new church apostolic networks refer to. You as a mere member of a local  congregation have to crane your neck just to see beyond your own pastor to the apostle who governs all your network of churches . Well I am the man who is behind all the network apostles, and I make sure some money from each congregation member on the ground filters right through to the top. I have made so much money, that now I want to share the secrets of how you can build your own profitable franchise, and enjoy an unenviable lifestyle.

  •  Foundation CDs/DVDs nos 1-2
 The introductory series of CDs/DVDs reveals the three interlocking key components of the entire operation that MUST BE FOLLOWED EXACTLY
  1.  Pyramids
  2. The Tithe
  3. A simple GRACE message of Romans 8:1 ie NO CONDEMNATION
  • CD/DVD nos 3-5 PYRAMIDS
 A great many people lose track right here by not defining structure before anything else. In these CDs we discuss the two interlocking pyramids that must be in place if you are ever going to build works that stand up to financial scrutiny. No accountant is ever concerned about spiritual health. No, he wants to know if the franchise you are building is going to  be able to supply the rocket fuel to drive you way beyond the first three years. Each church MUST be in the shape of a pyramid with the leader at the head, and each church itself must interlock with the greater pyramid which contains you as the head of the apostolic network. 

  • CD/DVD nos 6-9  TITHING UNDER THE NEW COVENANT 
This is the second key that underpins your entire operation. In our CD series you will benefit from our extensive Bible knowledge, and learn how to dissect the Bible properly so that your gospel must never work in practice. To do this you have to follow our exact instructions.
In the New Testament or New Covenant there is No tithe, nor levitical priesthood, so you must invent one yourself: YOU. And further down the road employ others to help, but always underneath you in the pyramid.
A lot of people think if you have 10 tithing members that will make one complete salary. But what about widows,students,those unable to work? No, don't even think of registering your church until you have 20 members all 18 or over, then by this time you will have some money for hiring a hall as well.
If any member of your congregation ever points out that commanding a tithe is a distortion of the gospel of grace, point out that Abraham tithed before the Law, and make them feel awful with Malachi :"Bring the full tithes into the storehouse....Don't rob God." Ofcourse that means YOU.
Already, just these two principles of tithing and pyramid operations virtually guarantee you to look the part of one who is blessed beyond measure. Your presentation is vital, with smart clothes and cars, and well dressed staff. Nobody will ever link the mathematics of how the money is pouring into you as if through a funnel, and your message which is about giving and being blessed.

  • CD/DVD nos 10-15 A restricted Gospel
As stated above you must restrict your gospel message to the unlimited grace of God to fully cover all sins past,present and future. Although you may use other segments of New Testament text, primarily your message is Romans Chapters 3 to 5 with additional verses in the beginning of chapter 8.While making people happy, it is important the gospel you preach should never work properly so people are always returning for more.
Evangelical  
You are advised not to go down the evangelical route. It is slower. More ponderous. Less exciting and less attractive to young people. if you do choose this route, remember you are preaching unlimited forgiveness of sins plus effort to ensure your betterment.Charismatic
If you choose this route we should warn you there are dangers. For Elymas the magician was struck blind for wanting the gift of the Holy Spirit to exploit financially.
However, with any luck people will come into your church already filled with the Spirit. This is ideal. The excitement, and laughter, and bubbly nature of 20-35 year olds will rocket your church forward numerically, and remember they are all going to be tithers, because you make it a "New Covenant" Rule of membership.
 Two types of Christian
  1. the light and bubbly airhead You want these. They understand that God loves and endlessly forgives them and they are not bothered about much else.
  2. the truffle hunting truther You need either to squeeze these people out or divert their gaze to the specific restricted gospel you are preaching.
  • CD/DVD nos 16-19 Truffle Hunters
The serious minded truther is so dangerous to your operation we spend several messages defining ways of squeezing them out and paralysing them.
If not, you MUST restrict their gospel to UNLIMITED FORGIVENESS followed by self-effort in attempts at self-betterment.
Truthers are DANGEROUS to your entire operation. The gospel you preach must be different from the New Testament or else it will be effective and actually work. Your church pyramids, followed by your network of these churches stand or fall on your ability to keep thousands of people paralysed in a "Different Gospel" as St Paul has mentioned(see below). For only the Different Gospel does not ever work, and so people never really grow, which is what you want. In this suspended form you can keep thousands and thousands in church plants and networks of church plants all tithing upwards to you as overall pyramid head.
  • CD/DVD 20 For Eye Candy Only
If you are a good looking male or female there are 2 significant benefits
  1. Firstly, goodlooking people plus the Romans 3 to 5 no condemnation message,plus the ability to expect a huge tithing pyramid congregation is something Seymour Butt's Sattellite TV networks are extremely interested in. We run all the main Christian TV stations from behind the scenes and are always on the lookout for lucrative signings.
  2. Eye Candy are a magnet draw for the opposite sex. The perceived power and wealth will draw your pick of the most beautiful spouses to your sides, who will be used alongside you to demonstrate what a great lifestyle this is.

 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. 2 Corinthians 11:4

but even if we or a messenger out of heaven may proclaim good news to you different from what we did proclaim to you -- anathema let him be! Galations 1:8



15 Certain, indeed, even through envy and contention, and certain also through good-will, do preach the Christ;

16 the one, indeed, of rivalry the Christ do proclaim, not purely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds,

17 and the other out of love, having known that for defence of the good news I am set:

18 what then? in every way, whether in pretence or in truth, Christ is proclaimed -- and in this I rejoice, yea, and shall rejoice. Philippians 1- Youngs Literal

The kudos you obtain as a network apostle of thousands is so incredible your itinerary will be filled with many many paid conference engagements.
Dangers

Truthers which Norman Grubb says are like  those French pigs unearthing truffles must never come anywhere near discovering Romans Chapter 6 to 7. These must always be referred to as chapters for non Christians.
In 1 John 2 :12 and the following verses,John describes three levels of growth and the third level of growth threatens to undermine your entire organisation. If anyone gets a smidgen of an idea that they can ever get to the father stage of development, then it will leak through your entire organisation that you are not needed. And then they will all begin to question why they are tithing to you as ultimate head of the pyramid. So at all costs, you must keep your gospel message restricted to one that never actually works in practice, never allowing any truther to voice any of his discoveries before you have squeezed him or her out through discouragement.
Conclusion
We summarise all the main tricks whereby you can keep thousands suspended in your networks in a relatively happy but ineffectual way for decades, thus ensuring you literally pocket thousands and thousands of pounds over your entire lifetime, involving very little real work, and always in the knowledge that those among the Christian world everywhere will laud and fete your name. Which is what you want! I, Seymour Butt wish you all the best in raking in untold thousands in cash over a very happy life!


OTHER SPOOFS BY CHRIS WELCH:

Friday, 4 January 2013

The Pearl of Great Price by Fred Pruitt

From Fred Pruitt's Blogpost
One of the things I was looking for, back in my late-adolescence “God-searching” days, was a concept I ran into in my reading, embodied in the term, “authenticity.” I’m sure lots of authors had used the term or the idea in their writings, but it hit me when I read Stephen Gaskins’ little book, Monday Night Class. I got it, his point, or at least got a piece of it!
What it meant to me, was that one sought to become honestly and authentically who one was supposed to be, to become one’s “real self.” I didn’t know what that was at the time, but I knew that the demand of this idea I had in my head, to “find out the truth about spiritual things,” would not let me rest until I pursued it, and to pursue it, two things were paramount.
One, it must be serious and real. It could not be a quest to find out the most popular opinion and go with that, nor would anything less than the truth be satisfying. In some sense a resolution rose in me to mold myself around the truth, (whatever “It” was), rather than molding a truth built around my own liking. I knew, somehow, that it would have to be that way, if one wanted to truly know truth. We do not get to pick the “truth we like.” 2+2=4 is Truth, whether we like it or not.
And second, to turn the “serious and authentic mindset,” into earnestness and a real “effort” to establish disciplined practices, habits and new ways of thinking, all while maintaining an unending blitz on the doors of my mind and spirit to bring them into alignment and expanded understanding and clarity – to attain “enlightenment” is one way to put it!
Enlightenment or bust!
That idea was part of the framework in which Jesus found me. It was not a bad idea. Carrying that idea of authenticity with me into my beginning days in Jesus, though we can technically call it “self effort,” it was the highly “Divinely-winked-upon” self effort of our early days, and the concept stood me in good stead. The Spirit always works in who and where we are in the moment without condemnation, and He used that working concept in my thinking to set me up to be a student, to be a listener, an observer. (Something else I’d learned in those “eastern” days, the new student sat at the back of the class and just listened for a time, because the new student does not even know the questions, much less the answers.) So it emptied me as far as it could go in those days. Coming into Christ I knew I had come in with nothing – that nothing (spiritually) was as I had thought it to be before – and I became quite voracious, ravenously hungry for spiritual food, something with substance, that stuck to your ribs!
That whole concept was only reinforced in the first church body the Spirit put us in, when we were taught by the Prayer Minister to “storm heaven,” because, “the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matt 11:12) I took it to heart and began a several year assault on heaven’s gate. “Seek the Lord,” “Draw near to Him,” “Open your heart,” “Love Him,” “Praise Him,” and all the other admonitions from the scripture and the pulpit continually exhorted me (us) to press further, seek harder, to be “not weak in faith,” because we knew that we would reap, “in due season, if we faint not.” To do “my utmost for His highest.”
I have no regrets for my years in that. It was not wasted time – it was God’s perfect time and place. It always has been. As far as the difficulty of that time, the condemnation, whether self-inflicted or from some “ministerial” source, it was perfect. I had to give it a shot to do my “utmost” for Christ. I’m in good company. Peter thought the same way, when he said he would never deny Jesus. Peter found out his own resolve failed at its first real test. And eventually, like Peter, I found out my own resolve eventually got to a place where it could go no more, because it became confused and afraid. There is a period in most of our lives, for those who press into Christ, where we give it a good effort at becoming “more like Christ.”
We do not know we are about to fight a battle in which, if we come out the loser, we come out the winner. We don’t know that yet. In the beginning we are thinking about making the only “me” we know to be a better “me.” We’re looking to get a spiritual makeover, so to speak.
Make ‘me’ pleasing to You, Lord!” we pray, not knowing we are praying for an impossibility, first, because it is already true that we are pleasing to Him, and second, we are actually in our mind’s understanding at the time, ignorantly asking for self-deification. Seeing God in separation, He up there, we down here, we are in a sense asking Him to make us a separate “god” who is “like” Him.
As I said, for a time in our ignorance God winks at our separation mindset. We operate out of it in relation to God, and when we “hear” God or see some “work” of is, and seeing it out of that separation, God honors it for a time. Even as God honored Saul’s anointing and still guided Saul by the Spirit until Saul could no longer fulfill God’s will because of fear and torment, which is when David came forth, a man after God’s heart who would fulfill all His will. Saul is the separated “flesh man,” and David the “inner Christ,” who grows up even while Saul is still running things. Finally Saul cannot go on. He cannot hold back the Philistines any longer. The Lord is not with him, and at the end in fear and desperation he falls on his sword and dies. Only then does David begin his reign, though for some time he has to put down the house of Saul.
Therefore, this difficulty so many of us experience in bouts with legalism, religion, or in anything else, is all for this Saul to finally give up and die (by realizing his own death in Christ’s death), that David (Christ in us) might come forth! It may have been a tough road, but the tears of joy flow when we observe ourselves and say, “Who is this that cometh up from the wilderness, leaning upon her beloved?” (Song 8:5)
Other places I’ve told of how that all came unraveling, until I found myself reduced to that “nothing,” and out of that “nothing,” coming into a union, “I live, yet not I but Christ” conscious mindset, so there is no need to go over that again. I did, however, want to testify of that Seed born many years ago in me and which now, of Itself, has grown up into a great tree. This is not to magnify myself, but again, to testify to the faithfulness of the One Who Promised!
This is where this word, “authenticity,” comes in. When I first came upon and experienced the ecstatic joy of knowing oneness with Christ, for the second time I had found something in a field, a “Pearl of Great Price,” and had given all I had to get it. Only this time, this second time, (when I initially saw “union”), it became much more personal. Because the first time I found the Pearl of Great Price was in the very beginning, and I knew the Pearl was Jesus, but I didn’t know where the field was, and I didn’t know that the Pearl being “Jesus,” had an even greater meaning.
This second time I began to grasp the “greater” meaning. Because as I first began to discover these things by the Spirit, I had learned that the kingdom of God was within. So I realized first of all that the “field” was the field of my own life. But I was beginning to discover something greater, that yes, the “Treasure” was Jesus or Christ, but the “Jesus Christ” of my life was really, the “authentic” me!
Now this Pearl, something which previously I had known as separate and apart from me, something worshiped, acknowledged, believed in, outside of or separate from me, had moved into “me” in the most total sense possible! He had not just come into some nebulous “place” in me which I could not identify, as my understanding had been up until that time. Somehow the Pearl had moved so intimately into me, that the Pearl was me! Jesus moved in by His Spirit, but eventually what I get out of that, is not me being Jesus, but me being me. The “real me.” The one created in Jesus Christ “unto good works.”
It took a while to settle into that. You see, it is so incredulous at first, that the Christ child we seek has now become embodied in our very selves, that we are tempted to join with the accusers and say it could never be that mere man could say that. How dare we? Who are we, to dare to say, this Child is born, born in this manger, and now He has grown up to be the Light of the World and the Salt of the Earth? Who could say such a thing? Surely pride must be the culprit!
For once the truth of Gal 2:20, 1 Cor 6:17, and many other similar words become alive in our understanding and consciousness, and we begin to see it, then dare to believe and confess it, there the battle is joined. It is won already, but we are not necessarily spared some of the fight. Because sometimes it will seem like heaven and earth and everyone in them are against us, testifying against us that we cannot possibly be this “Christ” person walking around.
We accuse ourselves most of all, or at least the voice accusing us sounds like our own voice, and we may take a dip or two in the pool of self-pity now and again, almost agreeing with the accuser because we are so weary from his continual rants. But victory is not up to us, and certainly not the accuser. Victory is in the hands of the One Who brought us there in the first place, Who promises to bring us through the valley of the shadow of death, Who causes us to lie down in green pastures and assures our dwelling in the house of the Lord forever. He is our victory!
Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.
Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.
Much has been said of late among some of us about this “gap,” mentioned by Norman Grubb, between our taking something by our word of faith, and the Spirit’s confirmation of that “word” at some later time. I suppose what I am talking about ties in with this. It is during this “gap” time, that by this continual “testing” or “struggle for faith,” that the consciousness of Who we are comes forth. In other words, we start out with a “concept,” which by faith we take to be true about ourselves in Christ. We have been brought to that point by the revelation or drawing of the Spirit, and by this inner Word springing up, so that, like Peter’s confession that Jesus was the Christ of God, which he saw by a flash of light in his understanding, we have the same type of “flash” in getting our first glimpse of union. We see it and believe somehow that it must be true. As we are led by the Spirit, we move to “take” or “receive” it for ourselves, by our word of faith that Gal 2:20 is true not just generally, but true specifically for me! But we don’t have it yet in our possession. At that point we have the truth of it conceptually, enlightened by the Holy Spirit, and it IS true, but our hold on it is nebulous, even as our hold on “salvation” was something nebulous in the beginning for many of us.
As Hebrews says, the Spirit exercises our “senses” and by that exercising brings us to maturity – rest in God through union with Christ. (Heb 5:14). Over and over and over we are exercised in this one thing: that we are Christ living in the world, and the life we are living in the flesh by His faith, is His life manifest! That is what the battle is about – to come into full possession of that which has already possessed us!
It has many facets to it, this final denouement. Those facets include things like detachment; contentment in darkness or light, abundance or need; reliance on “God only” in whatever context our lives dictate; an inner certainty given and received as a gift.
But the main facet, it matters not the personality nor what gift one may have, of total assumption of our oneness with Christ in God by the Spirit, is that we finally come upon the Pearl all grown up now, a beautiful Pearl that the Father sowed in our field, all resplendent and shining with luster and inner light. It has always been first and foremost Christ, and it still is, except now it is we who come forth. Jesus did not call Himself out of the tomb, but Lazarus. He called Him by name to awake from death.
Now in this third great way – the first being the day we began to know Him; the second the day we believed we were in union with Him and had cast ourselves away so that He might be All in all – this third time we find we have awakened to believe what we have believed, and by that “believing what we have believed,” we awaken to the fulness of God by awakening to the Christening of ourselves in the Spirit. The bands have been broken, chains ripped apart, bondage has been done away with, for what can withstand or hold prisoner the Christ of God? Not man nor devil!
Like the remnant who had seen the first temple razed by the Babylonians and lived to see the day its walls were reestablished wept at the sight of the goodness of the Lord, we find ourselves weeping at the grace, mercy and love of God, that He performs His promises. What we believed so long ago, has born the fruit of Promise, and the Promise was that God would have a Son, even as the Promise to Abraham was that he would have a son. Abraham’s promised son was Isaac, “Laughter.”
We are in the place of both the Son of God and the Son of Abraham, but for this moment I only want to speak of Abraham’s Promise. The Promise was Isaac, Laughter, and when we see it, this Pearl, this Treasure, this Living Water, and know that it has truly come into our possession even though it is in the imperceptibility of the Spirit, then we know we are God’s own gift to us, the fulness of ourselves for His glory. It is like the woman who has travailed for so long to bring forth the child, has given birth, and the child is here, and the child of promise is us. And that is laughter, laughter because it is a big and funny joke God has made that such as we could be the Promised One; laughter because we had always had hints of it but it seemed to good to be true and we were afraid to believe it fully; laughter because it is joy unspeakable and full of glory; laughter because at the heart of the universe, in the heart of love, in that light, everything, past, present and future, is transfigured (comprehend what I mean by “transfigured”) in the Light of God, and in that moment we realize God has taken away the tears, taken away the sorrow, taken away the wanton need and the temptation in the light of Transfiguration, and replaced it all with Laughter.
Just be your real self,” Norman Grubb used to say. That’s the same thing as “authentic.” It just means, and I say this with authority – be yourself! Find out who you are in Christ, and be it. You be you! The “real” you – not one concocted from mimicry, or dogma, or fear – but of Christ!

Thursday, 3 January 2013

Eyes Wide Shut


ALL WRONG ON THE EARTH is in these words "then were the eyes of Adam and Eve opened."
What eyes?
I used to think it was at our centre. Or in our conscious thinking.Unfortunately it's subconscious, somewhere in between the two. And we are the last to know about it. But it is no less real. It powers our entire life. It is that portion of our life , that like a cancerous tumour, is like a God-given part of us that has overexpanded falsely to become a useless ugly clump, yet it draws all evil upon us, from getting us to do all kinds of wrong, to drawing the very thing we fear in towards us. Satan himself operates us from here. If we are Christians our actual identity has changed already at the centre of our being, but this area of false seeing which is above our real self,can literally continue for decades. Our best friends can often not tell us. Our parents probably already tried.
Now here's the thing. God's love ,Hesed and Agape (Hebrew and Greek)is covenantal. Marriage is covenantal.It is a love framework that is based on unconditional love. Churches are meant to have this love too, but they don't yet. Third Level Christianity is about Covenant Love. It is laid out in John 17:21 that they all may be one, as Thou Father [art] in me, and I in Thee; that they also in us may be one, that the world may believe that Thou didst send me.
Marriage need not be covenantal. A piece of paper doesn't necessarily change everything. But "Living together unmarried", where you haven't made a public commitment of any strength to each other at any time, may not be a covenantal framework strong enough to mutually provide unconditional love.
Whether married or single it's this cancerous seeing...this GOD PLUS SOMETHING "seeing" that causes all sin.
Covetousness is "seeing something as yours" that God isn't giving.
So is all theft. Adultery is theft.
Sin is doing something that the One Life that is in the Universe ISN'T doing. What actual LIFE is doing is what young people call "Keeping it real", and what Caribbeans call "that flows man".

Unfortunately if enough people have the same type of cancerous seeing, they begin to gain a momentum that has nothing to do with the LIFE of the Universe. Romans 12 says "Be not conformed to this world but be renewed according to the spirit of your minds."
Notice it doesn't say change your thoughts.
It says change the spirit driving those thoughts.
Change the subterranean thinking area. Where you are "seeing" more than God going on.

So there's two types of stilted behaviour going on.
There's a stilted behaviour that is a manipulation of what people "want" to happen, but God isn't actually doing it.
But there's a second type of JOLT which is where a person who IS living according to God's LIFE suddenly addresses your wrong seeing.

An alcoholic SEES "drink". Things get a bit stilted when someone who has spent years accommodating this illness suddenly addresses the other person and says...."You either get that alcohol problem sorted or I'm outta here."
The alcoholic gets quite shirty, because in his or her world they are seeing "DRINK" alongside everything else in their nice existence, but not taking into account the devastation caused in the trail of the effects of excess alcohol.

In churches we are currently addressing PYRAMID leadership, the carnal tradition that says that one man should be in charge of a church. We are also addressing the carnal notion inherited from Catholicism that God still demands a tithe for some non existant Levitical priesthood.

If we were just addressing ideas it would be a simple job. But these are not "ideas". They are the visible tip of two enormous interlocked icebergs underneath in the subconscious minds of Christians as to the very idea of what Christianity is and what a church is.

Those notions of false seeing are rooted in Satan himself. They are cancer within the church.

The New Covenant talks of GIVING but doesn't specify.
And All Ministry is to train and instruct people in Christ in Us the hope of Glory. How when and through whom is up to the Leader of the Church, Jesus Christ Himself. Elders are in the frame. Different ministry gifts are in the frame. But nowhere do we see one man at the top of a local or extralocal pyramid saying "this is my church". James seems to have been some administrative head in Jerusalem, but all the apostles went from house to house sharing.

The other way this subconscious false seeing affects churches is like this. Now you have all heard of builders trying to get their clients to rent another house, or get the lady of the house out of the way when they are renovating.
There are times when carers are lovely. There are times when carers are fascists . Ladies generally like clean tidy kitchens. Builders need to change electrics, lay floorboards,replace worktops, retile, put in walls, drill huge holes in things....everything these mums of the house hate. Yet to achieve the goal, they have to do it.

In the churches are caring pastor ministries who see primarily how things are on the surface...even if it's being sensitive to emotions and situations. They are made like that. That's what they do.
Prophets stare unblinkingly at the false areas of seeing in people and like looking at cancerous tumours, are well aware that if that person doesn't lose that false seeing pretty darned quick...then
churches split
people divorce
businesses fail
children are smashed up for life
people get sick......

Eventually, by knowing people long enough, pastors also learn this, but often it's by this time caused no end of trouble already . And the pastors shrug their shoulders in their non-committal fashion as they do, as if to say "What me guv" ...."I'm sorry, how was I to know...I just didn't know."

So like the building work, sometimes you have to send these fascist carers out, in order that the disruptions begin, as people get to grips with the hidden areas of "false seeing" in people's lives.

NOW....here's the problem. You'd better be 100 % right in your prophetic seeing, or you're tearing at someone's TRUE CELLULAR makeup and not at CANCEROUS growth. And yes,immature ministeries do this. That's why there is a third level. So we are all mature doing what Christ in us does naturally.

We're going for every area of each of our lives where it's GOD PLUS SOMETHING.

Anybody can GIVE what they like voluntarily...anywhere from 0 to 100%. But it has to be voluntary.
Benny Hinn has no New Covenantal right to demand a tithe.
Why?
Because the New Covenant is free. You freely received you freely give.
If you teach to be a Christian you have to tithe, you are saying the same as to be a Christian you have to be circumcised.
You DON'T Have to ADD anything to the salvation you have in Jesus.
To Add any more is Jesus PLUS. Or GOD PLUS. It's cancer.
You are commanded to be baptised in water to TELL YOUR BODY what it's like to have gone into the grave with Jesus.
You are commanded to break bread and drink wine to tell your BODY what it is to take and eat and drink the very Body and Blood of Jesus. No, not transubstantiation. But to tell your body that right now in the heavenly places your own flesh and blood is right inside the actual flesh and blood of Christ in His resurrected form.
How can that be? I dunno. It's called the mystery of the Body of Christ!!!!

Wednesday, 2 January 2013

Leadership or Zoe Life Levels

Facebook status on Leadership 2/1/2013

So, to sum up then, is the "position" of pastor,vicar,priest a statement of unbelief rather than belief? A cynicism rather, deriving from the unbelief that Jesus could ever, through His Word alone,build His Body through all parts of His Body working simultaneously? So, with a deep 2000 year "Hey Ho" Sigh, we take up our position of master puppeteer, in direct rebellion to Him who said " Call no man Father or Rabbi" and "The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors." and in Matt 20:25 Ye have known that the rulers of the nations do exercise lordship over them, and those great do exercise authority over them,

26 but not so shall it be among you, but whoever may will among you to become great, let him be your ministrant;

27 and whoever may will among you to be first, let him be your servant;

28 even as the Son of Man did not come to be ministered to, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.'
So the Master Puppeteers are paid a tithe and call themselves benefactors.
1 Peter 5 3 Do not lord it over those in your charge, but be examples to the flock.

What does "Lord it over" mean? Telling people what to do.The only thing any person can tell any man is how to encourage the consciousness of Christ in them as them.
The Brethren denomination did not even permit paid ministry. This is probably one step too far, because there are those set apart for the work of sharing, the folly of preaching...but possibly these are only 3rdlevellers...ones whose Word can't be held in any more but gushes like Rivers of Living Water...and these are recognised by the Spirit and the brethren. In this manner Paul and Barnabas were set apart by the Spirit, though even then Paul insisted on making his gospel free by often refusing his due and making and selling tents.
Be honest. Can anyone anywhere think of a normal church by Spirit standards? Most ministers are ministering out of unfinished preparation. They may have been called but not one is living out of RAW Zoe Life. Rather, people who could not survive in the real world are being propped up and enabled by an Old Covenant tithe system which promotes by strong implication, though nolonger stated, a sense of separated priesthood.
A servant of God has faith for his/her own finances. Every person finds their unique path in this. Certainly selling that which God provides free of charge at the cost of His own Son for personal gain is dubious. Instead of providing the gospel free, and supports and helps to those in need, all our funds are snaffled in building costs and staff who are mostly in the baby stages of Christianity themselves, and should be nowhere near other people yet, their ZOE Life levels are far too shallow.

Tuesday, 1 January 2013

The Rightness of Our Souls - DeeDeeWinter to Ole Henrik Skjelstad

 

 

The Rightness of Our Souls – A Dialog Between DeeDee Winter and Ole Henrik

Ole Henrik: Sometimes I find it hard to trust my soul and my emotions and how both push me in different directions.
DeeDee: Ole, the only thing to do is say, “Here You are, Lord, now what does this mean…what are You up to?” You will ever so gradually sift through to your direction. Actually your soul and your emotions are one and the same…moving together in sync. Your reason will be the thing that pushes you in a different direction saying that this cannot be. These are the two things we have to ‘sort through’ and find the Lord’s purpose and direction. Soul expresses what your spirit/Spirit is doing.
Ole Henrik: Without a soul it would be impossible to express our spirits in their union with the Spirit. Right? Without our souls it would impossible to know when God embraces us in a special way. Right? Our souls are God’s means of expressing Himself to the world. Right? And directing our steps….
DeeDee: Right…right…right!
Ole Henrik: Many speak about “letting” Him. “Let God be free in you.” What does that mean? Can we somehow bind God? In that case, it is unbelief that somehow causes Him to be “unfree” in us?
DeeDee: When I came out from under the law and living life as though I was separated from God and had to “do” the Christian life to please God, I began to redefine words that seemed like I had to or  could do anything to accomplish living the Christian life. We will redefine “let” as “recognize” or “agree with God” and go joyously with the flow of Christ, our life. In saying we must “let God” we are usually speaking from a point of view that somehow we (our actions and reactions) are more powerful than God (although folks would never admit that, but it is the natural outcome from having a separated mindset) and must ‘let’ or ‘allow’ the Creator of the universe freedom within their great hold on themselves and life. What a joke!!!
But I suppose in some small way that our unbelief and non-cooperation limits (I use that instead of bind) us as we constantly check ourselves against our false image/idea of Jesus and how He was on a daily basis. We have a very ‘sterilized’ idea of Him…blond, white and almost floating around Israel in a calm and  angelic way…disturbed a couple of times in His life, but for the most part calm. At least that is how I once pictured Him…and it was SO far from how I behaved on a daily basis! The joke was on me when I discovered the fully human side of Jesus.
Ole Henrik: I was thinking about bitterness yesterday. The Bible admonishes us to not allow any bitter root to grow in us. Why is that? Could it be that because of bitterness we are less receptive concerning the things God wants to give us?
DeeDee: Isn’t bitterness due to our refusal to find/see God in a person or situation?
Ole Henrik: Never thought about it like that before, but you are right.
DeeDee: Yes, and the longer we refuse the deeper the root grows entangling us in ways we never dreamed. Our only answer is “The cup my Father gives me” and “In everything give thanks for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning me”.
Ole Henrik: Which means suffering…….and it means to be taken on faith journeys that devastates reason and which are unique for every one of us….
DeeDee: Absolutely! And what does suffering produce but glory. God sees to that! It is His natural outcome from death to resurrection.
Ole Henrik: Do you mind elaborating on this: “entangling us in ways we never dreamed”
DeeDee: What was once a hurtful thing in our lives can turn into a much greater and more far-reaching hurt to us…poisoning our relationship and even other relationships…when we stand our ground and do not try to resolve or accept our hurt as “You meant it for evil, but God meant it for good.” We become entangled in our ‘being right’ or justified…affecting many of our relationships.
Ole Henrik: For many it is difficult to accept the fact that also their souls are now reconciled to God and are perfected in Him and are for His use. Why is that?
DeeDee: The answer is so simple and yet difficult to resolve. It is not our souls that are “reconciled to God” but our spirits are when we receive Christ as our Savior. It takes some unlearning and training by the Holy Spirit to settle us. Our souls only express spirit/Spirit….either the Spirit of Error (before we are born-again) or the Spirit of Truth (after we receive Christ and are joined to HIm spirit to Spirit).
The real issue is simply that we live in the illusion that we have ‘life’ in us apart from God…that we can do good/be better or do bad/sin. Life is Spirit. We know this because what is death, but when our spirit leaves our body. Spirit IS life. What is expressed through/by our soul IS spirit/Spirit. Our soul has NO ability/life in itself apart from our spirit to express one thing!.
Ole Henrik: In what ways do our souls express faith?
DeeDee: In any word or belief that we utter in agreeance with God. This can be with His word through the Bible or by what stirs in us by the Holy Spirit to believe. Because we are accustomed to think that these stirrings are ‘just’ us we miss the glory that they are His life bursting forth from us.
It is imperative that we come to understand the simple basics of our human makeup. Man is tri-part…spirit, soul and body. Our spirit is our “created in the image of God” part of us and it is where we are joined to the Lord…”He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit.” This is pictured in a human marriage when the two become one. Spirit contains mind (We have the mind of Christ) knowing, will, choice. Spirit is ego…I am. Our souls contain reason, emotion, mind (“Be transformed by the renewing of your mind). Our body is our physical make-up.
Ole Henrik: Seems to me that all this adds up to that we are safe in our new marriage/union. I have one last question. I notice how my soul also is impacted by outer stimuli. I get nervous, sometimes I have slight anxiety attacks, I get fearful etc and all these reactions or responses are triggered by what I encounter in the outside world. Any thoughts?
DeeDee: If our bottom line is that our soul has no ability in us but to express Spirit/spirit then we must say that the anxiety is Spirit being expressed….but for a much different purpose than I have ever realised in the past. These ‘attacks’ are simply there to produce faith.
It is our spirit that is impacted, but we are so used to knowing ourselves only on a feeling level…soul or body feelings…that we misinterpret our souls. We immediately think there is something wrong coming against me from an outer source….when in truth it is Spirit/Christ/God expressing Himself for an upward purpose when I move into faith about what I am feeling.
I learned this some years ago when jealousy rose in me like a flash toward a long-time and much beloved friend of mine. I had known my union with Christ and freedom from the law for several years, but I did not yet have any understanding of the all-encompassing rightness of my feelings and reactions. All I knew was to say, “I am not jealous of her, I am Christ in my form.”
The words that came back to me forever changed my life. I heard as clearly as I have ever heard anything…”You are not jealous OF her, but jealous FOR her. It is My jealousy in you FOR her to know Me as you do.” All I could do was humbly say with the Lord that she would know Christ as her life also.
My mind reeled as I began to realise the totalness of what I had just ‘heard’. ALL of my feelings were made right by His life within me…His Spirit joined to my spirit and being expressed through my soul. I looked at Scripture and realised the hard things to understand that God says about Himself. Three emotions that I had always thought that God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) could never express, He says about HImself….hate, jealousy and anger! If they are right in Him then they must be right in the born-again person…because Christ IS our life!
Each of us have a part of our personality/soul that we have feared and fought all of our life because we have seen it as some thing WRONG (with a capital W) about us, when in fact it is the MAJOR thing right about us. It is THE vehicle for the cross of Christ to operate in us…Him laying down His life BY/IN US and taking it up again for those whom WE are given.
Jesus tells us of this work of the cross in Matt. 16:24-26. “Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever will save his life shall lose it: and whoever will lose his life for My sake shall find it. For what has a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?”
This passage comes after Peter has declared Jesus The Christ and Jesus says that flesh and blood did not reveal this. Jesus declares  this response is the rock/FAITH (the Person of Christ Himself)  on which He will build His church.  He then gives us the keys to bind or loose by OUR word…which comes out of the desires, pressures and agonies of OUR SOUL.
The next happening in this most interesting exchange is that Jesus tells them he must suffer, die and be raised. Peter rebukes this and Jesus calls him Satan…by not wanting God’s way of the cross.  Jesus then tells us that our way to FOLLOW (to come or go after; to move behind in the same direction) Him is through the cross.
What does “take up OUR cross…lose OUR life…forfeit OUR soul ” mean? The real key here is OUR; not cross, nor life, nor soul.
It is the very nature of God to lay down His life for His creation. That is Who love is…a Life laid down. That is what HE WILL BE in and AS US…the cross of Christ constantly operative. To lose OUR life is to lose any consciousness we have of a SEPARATE or INDEPENDENT life that we THINK we have. In reality there is NOTHING in us apart from Christ…our spirit joined to His Spirit expressed through OUR body and SOUL. There it is…OUR soul. What possible way do we have of expressing Him if we want our soul flat-lined, inoperative, placid…thereby giving it up!!!! To lose the FULL expression of our soul is to lose the only way His Life and cross can bring about life for others. This is truly finding OUR life…right and hidden in Christ Jesus.
THIS is what we have to give to the Body of Christ…THE FULL, TOTAL, RIGHTNESS AND RIGHT USE OF OUR HUMANITY…ALL about US made right in the death, burial and resurrection of our beloved God and Lord, Jesus Christ…who has come again a second time  by His Holy Spirit to live IN and AS His most beloved creation…US!!! Christ FULLY alive and expressed in every aspect and nuance of our souls. “So Christ was was once offered to bear the sins of many: and unto them that look for Him shall He appear a second time WITHOUT SIN unto salvation”…Heb. 9:28  I believe this second appearance is when we KNOW no sin/wrongness/separation in whatever way the Spirit comes through us.
Only the FINAL battle…our personal Armageddon…of losing OUR life will bring us to complete rest…me loving my God-created-in-His-own-image-and-called-very-good-ME…
my depression, fear, jealousy, anger… I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me…in my soul and body.  Our souls are our glory…revealing our Treasure in earthen vessels…Christ in us.

Our Most Valuable Soul……part II

By DeeDee Winter
I awoke this morning thinking of our exchange on the soul. Until the Holy Spirit gets this part of us settled in its rightness, we can never fully “be about our Father’s business”, because every time a negative emotion hits us we will either ask what is wrong with us, taking condemnation, OR confess it as sin. Imagine confessing the LIFE OF CHRIST within ourselves as sin!!!
We were created to bear Him and bring life to our ‘world’. His way of bringing mankind out of slavery to Sin was to die on the Cross, rise again, ascend into heaven and then send us His Holy Spirit. He will be the same dynamic IN US of death and resurrection and in doing so, bring those whom He gives us into light and freedom!
But we MUST first get settled about the purity of our souls…purely expressing Him!
After the Lord said to me “You are not jealous of her, but for her; it is My jealousy in you for her to know Me as you do” I began to search the Scriptures for what there was about our souls, because I knew if God spoke that word to me that it would be backed up by His Scriptures. What I found so far surpassed what I had hoped for! I began with a word search and found Matt 16:26…”What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?”
I was riveted and began to read back through that passage. The Spirit directed me as far as Matt 16:15. I will loosely paraphrase it all…
Matt 16:15 begins with Jesus asking His disciples “Who do you say that I am?” Peter replies that He is the Christ and Jesus tells him flesh and blood did not tell Peter this, but it was revealed by His Father in heaven and upon this rock (of revelation and faith) He shall build His church. Jesus continues…with these ‘rock principles’ in place He says (19) He will give us the keys to the kingdom…that whatsoever we bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever we loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. This means that we have the power by our word to set folks free!
Jesus then says He must go to the Cross…to which Peter replies that he does not want Him to suffer (23) and Jesus calls him Satan! It is Satan that does not want the Cross…death to resurrection which is the very nature of God (giving Himself for others) and this truth will become part of every believer when we receive Christ Jesus as our Savior…which is receiving His LIFE! This LIFE is not just when we ‘go to heaven’ but also for every day we live on this earth in time and space. It is His nature, and now ours, to bear conflict in our soul and by our word, bring life to/in the object of our conflict…binding and loosing. “Present your bodies a living sacrifice…our reasonable service” as Ro 12:1 says.
Then comes the resounding climax (24 – 26) of this passage! “If any man will come after Me let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me.” This denying ourselves is to deny that we have ANY ability in ourselves apart from Him…NO independent self that is able to act on our own…nothing in our branch form apart from The Vine (Christ by the Holy Spirit) who IS our life! It is the clarion call to fully BE Who you are!
“For whosoever shall save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life for My sake shall find it.” I used to think the emphasis of this passage was on lose and life…but no longer.
I see the emphasis to be totally on “his”…again speaking of the illusion of an independent life apart from Christ…an independent ability to sin or do good. Lose THAT illusion!
And now to the verse that wraps up this exchange. “For what is a man profited if he shall gain the whole world and lose his soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?” Losing our soul…and ALL it is meant to be…is to be suspicious of our emotions and trying to get them under ‘control’. When we do not trust them, fear them or hate them we give up the ‘way’ the Holy Spirit is coming through us for those around us. It is Satan’s gospel that tells the Christian that his emotions are wrong and not to be trusted…and anyone telling us that is preaching Satan’s gospel!
It takes a ‘season’ for the Spirit to settle and train us in the right use of ourselves. We have been so used to fearing our anger, jealousy, hate love…yes, even love. Begin to say the truth about yourself…”Lord, here You are”. At first we will have to simply take these truths by faith, but ever so quietly the Holy Spirit will make them ours. Everything about me has been made right and God is living His life as me…for “In Him we live and move and have our being.” When we begin to see these truths about ourselves ALL of Scripture screams them at us. God will gradually expand our understanding to see that what we want is never for ourselves, but always for the other person’s highest good.
The last few words of these verses “…in exchange for our soul” are vital for us to comprehend. Most of the Christian world wants their souls to be flat-lined with no ups or downs…oh maybe the ups are OK, but God help them if there is anything negative! God MEANS for us to have a fully alive and extremely active soul. It is through the activity of our soul that God calls our attention to a person or situation we “bind and lose” as we saw in v.19. We move into FAITH!
As we stated earlier…God’s nature/being is always to give His life for the other. He did this before the foundation of the world when The Lamb was slain. God chose then to be for more than Himself. He chose to be for us and His creation. He will be nothing less/do nothing less than He did before we existed. He will always lay down His life and take it up again. This is His life and is to be our life in Christ. His final commandment to us was “Love as I have loved you.” (Jn 15:12).
It is imperative that these deep realities are settled in us and about us, in order that we can fully be about our Father’s business…in oneness/union with Christ redeeming those He brings to us.

The Thinning - From Glory Company

Annalize Mouton writes: Just received this: The Thinning
Posted on December 30, 2012 by glorycompany4321
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Been ages since we’ve blogged, with all the great podcasts we had since August to post. Loads has happened with us since our last blog. More and more joyous glory… deeper and deeper mystic trance…
What’s weighing heavily upon our hearts, and has been confirmed by several of our ministry friends: 2013 marks the start of a Thinning between the realms of the Kingdom of Heaven and the earth. The line between spirit and natural is blurring. It’s so, so good… and so, so welcome…
For years people have prayed for Heaven to come down. Others have taught that we should be going up there. Quantum physics suggests that we don’t have as far to travel as you may have previously supposed…
He who dwells in the secret place shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.




How close is a shadow that passes over you? It literally folds over you, enclosing the same space, laid over you, yet is clearly caused by something, or someone else.
Another way of saying this: Heaven is as near as the air we breathe. Take a breath. You have simultaneously breathed in the air of the earth into your body, and breathed in the atmosphere of Heaven with your spirit (as we are seated with Christ in heavenly places…).
The Thinning is a time when the separation between these two co-existing realms gets thinner and thinner. What does that look like?
Imagine the unseen Kingdom all around us revealed to our naked eyes and the screen of our imagination. Imagine seeing the angels all around you that you have only previously experienced with your faith eyes. Imagine being able to interact with them and send them on their God-given missions or purposes.
Imagine being able to literally pull on Heavenly provision when you need it: be it financial, deliverance, supernatural or miraculous. If you can see it, you can have it. Imagine being able to see a kidney in Heaven, and then pull it out and manifest it as a creative miracle healing in someone in need. Imagine being able to see where the fish are who house the gold coins in their mouths, thus being able to pull finances from Heaven to earth when needed.
Imagine being able to see spiritual pathways and thus being able to travel on them in the blink of an eye: appearing in places anywhere around the earth instantaneously. Or to be able to step in and out of the spirit so easily, you could walk through a solid door and appear inside of a locked room; or walk across the water as if it were dry land.
Imagine, imagine, imagine…
Ephesians 3:20: “Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us…” (NIV)
“Now to Him Who, by (in consequence of) the [action of His] power that is at work within us, is able to [carry out His purpose and] do superabundantly, far over and above all that we [dare] ask or think [infinitely beyond our highest prayers, desires, thoughts, hopes, or dreams]” (AMP)
It’s His power, at work, but fired and fuelled by our imagination…
The Thinning is a God-given time, a gift to the Church, to get us to wake up and start dreaming again! Dream! Imagine! Dare to believe!
The sky is not the limit! Your imagination is! Break your box! Enjoy the Thinning! Step out, and believe, and receive. Begin to step into your true destiny as a Holy Spirit led Son of God, from whom no good thing will be withheld… Then, being led by the spirit, and being comfortable to live in your spirit on earth, one foot in both realms simultaneously, go out and touch lives and transform the world by being the living breathing gospel…
We are daring, daring to believe, in miracles, in miracles!
Be encouraged. Be empowered. Be delivered.
Glory Company