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Tuesday, 12 May 2015

What are new wineskins?


We have never really been able to articulate but it is something like this, and I will use Havant Church and myself just to be specific.
Havant has a "young" pastor that actually isn't that young, but he was converted when the church formed under Peter Stott around 1980. Basically a whole group moved across to Havant church or Portsdown Community church from Leigh Park Baptist church. If you had to scrutinise what the "differences" were from the Baptist Church they would revolve around the open preaching of baptism in the Spirit, and learning to freely follow the Holy Spirit in meetings. Emsworth was much the same. Much spiritual input has come into Havant and over the years many have grown a lot. Peter felt to set apart a man called John Wilbraham and certainly as regards virtually all other churches on earth, John would be considered a good faithful pastor. Until Steve McVey, Darin Hufford, or Paul Anderson-Walsh enter.
Basically all John was doing 4 years ago or so, was reading out injunctions from the New Testament in the manner of a Law Book and calling that preaching.
I addressed him strongly on it....(in the sort of way Paul addressed St Peter) and told him we are not called to run behaviour modification classes, we are called to preach the gospel. A leader's meeting was called.....always way out of the way of the flock, and at a time when I was still having to move my work bookings around to make way for these people supported by the tithe and there all of them agreed I should not say another word in a public meeting. I hung around for several months for the sake of personal discipline, then felt clearly that even prophecies were not being heard and left to minister more on Facebook and blogs.
Now this , as you can see on my blog is among the best churches available today in the UK, but still rooted in Law and Old Covenant believing....yet, yet....with a much greater maturity when it comes to flowing in the Spirit.
They represent much of what is wrong and right with the charismatic move in Britain and the States. The leaders in our churches are mostly secondlevellers preaching to others that have been in that immature way of "seeing" that St Paul upbraids in his letters and Hebrews 6( if it is his.) for a period of simply decades.

The REAL RAW PRESENCE OF GOD  is in the Pillar of Fire and the Cloud, that sits in the midst of 12 GATES,12 TRIBES, 12 Disciples.....BANG in the MIDDLE of the cross tensioning running between all simultaneously.....(Think of how a suspension bridge stands).....

New wineskins are the people of God leaving unflexible wineskins to receive the fresh fullorbed LIVING WINE of God's pure Word again. These verses apply.
Hosea 2:14-15 14"Therefore, behold, I will allure her, Bring her into the wilderness And speak kindly to her. 15"Then I will give her her vineyards from there, And the valley of Achor as a door of hope. And she will sing there as in the days of her youth,
Hebrews 13:12 Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people through His own blood, suffered outside the gate. 13 So, let us go out to Him outside the camp, bearing His reproach. 14 For here we do not have a lasting city, but we are seeking the city which is to come.

The previous Move of God will always have a tendency to settle around the particular Gates of Jerusalem that have been revealed to them. (40 years ago Gerald Coates himself ministered on it under the message title "Pioneers and Settlers".)

These settlers  reduce their revelation down   to mere leftbrain concepts, and this Person of the Living God gets sidelined.The REAL RAW PRESENCE OF GOD  is in the Pillar of Fire and the Cloud, that sits in the midst of 12 GATES,12 TRIBES, 12 Disciples.....BANG in the MIDDLE of the cross tensioning running between all simultaneously.....(Think of how a suspension bridge stands).....
There is no cross tensioning or Living Presence in denominations generally, or the older network churches....and the way to tell is to look out for children moving in the spirit along side all other age groups.
The word for " God has departed" is ICHABOD. So until we have learned to keep the KINGDOM 12 sided Satellite dish firmly in our centre we will continually have need for new wineskins. Facebook Post 10/5/15

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