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Tuesday, 7 April 2015

Pricking the Bloated Independent Self



Before Yes I am by Norman Grubb and others of his books, prophets were kind of stuck nonplussed.

We kept getting ourselves into scrapes but didn't really understand why. Certainly to everyone else who relate in quite a detached slightly formal, or may be just pally way, prophets were a complete enigma and consequently got themselves labelled as socially unstable.  Particularly in jolly hockeysticks or should that be golfsticks ? England.

Yet some of us had already observed that not infrequently Jesus caused the same problems, but that gets brushed under the carpet....since He is after all the Son of God and presumably can be forgiven....being perfect and all!!!

I brought this kind of thing up again yesterday in a comment on John Castleman's Timeline.



John Castleman
Yesterday at 16:21 ·
The chapter in my book i'm currently working on is titled 'The Art of Overlooking' since as Proverbs 19:11 reads, ‘It’s to one’s glory to overlook an offense’.
And He mercifully gives us plenty to 'overlook' along the Way, lots of gory on the road to glory. It's a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong chapter.

Chris Welch: I would say this is a huge and current topic. Daniel Yordy won't even talk to me now.....And I don't know if you realise....spiritually we are virtually twins. So we'd better get this issue sorted. People people love talking about honouring each other. I would.guess this would be the chainmail permanently attached to Cindi Estep and Leonard Fredette. Prophets see straight through crap and see only the real person underneath and tell them so. At the moment the whole.Body of Christ right across the whole earth is ripped in two over this one. Do we do a Bill Johnson and honour each other? Or do we.obey St Paul and speak the truth in love? Which in his case involved naming names so that we are still.reading about Hymenaus 2000 years later?







Ephesians 4 twice talks about speaking the truth in love verse 15 we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head,

and verse 25 25 Therefore, laying aside falsehood, speak truth each one of you with his neighbor, for we are members of one another. 26 Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, 27 and do not give the devil [s]an opportunity.

And in the middle of the two is the foundation....namely that the old self is being corrupted in accordance with lusts of deceit so put on the new self which is in the likeness of God.

What Norman Grubb has defined is that the independent self is a complete delusion. It is hooked into lusts of deceit....It REALLY EXISTS,,,but it's NOT the independent thing we thought it was. It is actually being engaged with Satan's spirit. There is no "human nature". We are either God going on in our "human clay vessels" or we are Satan going on.

"And you [a]were dead [b]in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the [c]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, [d]indulging the desires of the flesh and of the [e]mind, and were by nature children of wrath,even as the rest."


Prophets are people with a balloon pricker.
They see evry man nolonger after the flesh....they see the authentic person, created in God. Now if some kind of bloated form is blobbing around outside of their authentic person, a prophet finds it quite normal to prick the fake even if it causes ructions.

Prophets cannot live with the false. They have no time for it. It quite puts them out of joint. They relate to everyone in truth and they kind of expect everyone else to do the same....which ofcourse they don't.

Jesus addressed the rich man, after he had regaled Jesus with all his keeping of the commandments....OK then....sell all you have and give it to the poor.

Is Jesus saying to everyone, every day, to sell all they have? NOPE. But He picked up the independent self clinging on for dear life to material possessions as its own god and He was immediately offended in the Spirit by the man and his self righteousness....so He launched in.

We all have people around us who do the equivalent and if we choose to walk in the Way of God then the Holy Spirit majors on it.

The function of walking in the Light is to have any last vestiges of independent self exposed as we can see in Ephesians 4 above.

As soon as someone has "removed the log" in his own eye.....come to that crashing awareness at the end of Romans 7 that there is no independent self....that any independence was really Satan as him or her.... SURE....as a thirdleveller they are going to be used to remove iddybiddy specks from their brother's inner seeing. The BIG JOB has been done by Christ on the Cross, including us into His death. We are never called upon to remove LOGS.
We can teach the Cross....but it was Christ who did the removal.

People I am brushing up with do not believe this is anything we do at all. Well you only have to read the story of Joseph as Prime Minister of Egypt, and how the Holy Spirit had him behave with his brothers to bring about a change of "seeing" in them.

Hopefully this post will get you thinking about how Proactive the Body of Christ is in bringing each of us unto glory....not by works....but by the power of Christ's own life manifested amongst us.

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