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Thursday, 30 October 2014

God Channel Upsets - different voices speak out, Chris Welch,Rich Novek,David Robertson,Paul Poulton

Some of this may be harsh...but then I have been very harsh about God TV because of its limitations to the 1st 2 levels of spiritual growth in 1 John 2. So instead of just remaining negative may I point out the best phrase in the article plus in the comments a link to tonight's article by one of my closest associates(ie. friend....not professional denominational associate...I mean this as Jesus speaks of his friends). The best phrase : The six billion souls will be reached, not through the slick marketing, self-promoting, mega powerful corporations; nor through the hysterical delusions and manipulation of self-appointed 'apostolic-prophetic' ministries, but rather through hundreds of thousands of local churches humbly and lovingly proclaiming and living Christ in local communities, with the Word of God, by the Spirit of God, through the people of God. It's basic Christianity!
and in comments the HOW it will be achieved.

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/david.robertson.the.real.problem.with.god.tv.is.not.rory.alecs.moral.failure/41462.htm

David Robertson: The real problem with God TV is not Rory Alec's 'moral failure'

Published 09 October 2014  |   

(Photo: Twitter/Rory and Wendy Alec)
The news that God TV co-founder Rory Alec has been suspended from his post as presenter and head of the organisation, because of 'moral failure' has come as a shock to some in the Christian world. Others have a resigned sense of 'oh no, here we go again', while still others are quick to point out that we are all sinners and we should pray for and extend the grace of God to Rory and Wendy. All of these reactions are understandable but I would like to suggest that there is a danger that we won't see the wood for the trees. The problem here is not primarily the adultery of one man, or the schadenfreude that critics of God TV might delight in. The problem goes much deeper and is something that the Church in the West really needs to get hold of.
I am not surprised at all by Rory's 'indiscretion' – nor by the continual account of Christian CEOs or celebrity mega pastors being caught with either their hand in the till or their bodies in another's bed. Why? Because whenever I have watched God TV, what comes across to me is that it is primarily about money and power. And when you have those two at the centre it's not long before the third part of that particular unholy trinity, sex, rears its ugly head. Despite the fact that there were some occasional good things on it, I had to stop watching God TV because I used to get so depressed and angry. I have spent a great deal of time helping people whose faith, though initially boosted and encouraged by some of what they saw, eventually was battered, bruised and severely damaged by the theology and practices espoused on much of God TV. Take the example of so called 'Missions' weeks. They were nothing of the sort. They were purely and entirely about raising money. Now I realise that Rory and Wendy would tell us that it was about reaching one billion souls. That was hyperbolic sales talk, confusing the possibility that God TV "could" be seen on several million TV sets, with the idea that they "would" and that then all would believe. The manipulation, sales talk and constant pleading for money "for the work of the kingdom" was nauseating.
And the power. I have yet to see a God TV programme which extolled the virtues of weakness. Everything was about strength and power. Power-dressed shiny happy people beamed out of our TV screens a picture of wealth, health and success. Continually we were assured that somewhere out there was someone called Marge who had just been healed of cancer, or Tom whose marriage was about to be restored, or Dave whose business had just been boosted because of the cheque he wrote. There was nothing about Bill who had just lost his job, Susan whose daughter had just died, or Tim who went bankrupt after he mortgaged his house in order to give money to God TV. I even watched complete charlatans like Todd Bentley kick a woman in the face because 'the Holy Spirit told him to' and then pronounce that he had raised several people from the dead – however he could not name them because of 'patient confidentiality'! He too of course fell into the money, power and sex trap – before GodTV, 'graciously restored' him and gave him yet another platform for his aberrations. And yet I know churches in the UK who were so desperate to 'catch the anointing' that they bought into all of this guff. This kind of TV is of more use to the New Atheist movement than it is to the kingdom of Jesus Christ.
After speaking at CLAN (the largest charismatic conference in Scotland), I was interviewed by God TV. The producer told me that he loved the interview but that there was no way it would ever be broadcast. When I asked why, his answer revealed a great deal about God TV: "Wendy wouldn't like it". God TV was not about what God wanted, or what the Church needed. It was the Rory and Wendy show, and the show of all those tele-evangelists who were wealthy enough to buy into it. The language was always hyper spiritual, the onstage hysteria real, but behind the scenes there were the usual power games and struggles associated with secular corporations.
And therein lies the problem. The Church is not a corporation. Nor is it an entertainment or an advertising agency. Godliness is not a way to get wealthy. Or famous. Or to have your own 'ministry'. The Church is to be the pillar and ground of the truth. Much of modern corporate Christianity has become pillarless and groundless. As a result it has also become brainless, banal and spiritually bankrupt. And it is certainly not harmless. I was visited this week by a friend who has just returned from six weeks real mission work among the poor in Africa. In some of these really poor countries, the world of corporate, commercialised Christianity, imported from the wealthy West, has taken root. There are mega pastors selling holy water for $1000, stealing money from the old, the sick and the poor, in order to pay for their mega mansions and luxury cars. The problem with God TV is not the moral failure of Rory's adultery. It is the moral failure of associating the Good News of Jesus to the poor with the prosperity gospel and health and wealth blasphemy of Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn and Joyce Meyer.
When I write like this the objection immediately comes. Don't be so harsh and hard. Why are you speaking against a brother and sister like this? How is that like Christ? Well – did not Jesus call the religious hypocrites of his day "white-washed tombs, twice dead"? Did not Paul tell the Galatian false teachers to go the whole way and emasculate themselves?! I have a genuine concern for Wendy – as I watched the cruelty of her live 'revival alert' which was much more like a Dr Phil confessional, I was so saddened for that betrayed woman. And angry with the people who continue to feed the illusion that she is the anointed one to save a billion souls. At best it is delusional, at worst it is a horrible blasphemy to have an American 'prophetess' screaming down the phone at her that the Lord told her directly that the endtime harvest was coming through Wendy. And it is oh so cruel. Far crueller than my words.
But some will say – "It has helped me...God spoke to me through it." I don't doubt that. Poison is always far more effective when coated in sugar.
Some will warn me "Don't criticise the work of the Holy Spirit". I totally agree. But is it not a false assumption to declare that everything that claims to be of the Spirit is of the Spirit? Is it not wrong to attribute the work of the Spirit to the delusions and manipulations of man? We are to test the spirits. And how do we test? If they glorify Christ, speak according to the Word of God and exhibit the fruit of the Spirit.
Rory Alec in his statement says that we should not look at him, but look at Christ. But TV says "look at me". This is not to say that TV cannot be used as a medium to proclaim the Gospel. There are Christian TV stations that do a good job. But it is a medium that it is very difficult to use. The Christian evangelist, preacher, TV personality must be someone whose aim is to point away from themselves and towards Jesus Christ – and not just when we have a 'moral failure'. We exist to serve Christ and His Church. They do not exist to serve us. Like John the Baptist we declare, "He must increase, I must decrease". Ironically even as I write this I am listening to a preacher on God TV tell us "no, no, no – he wants us to increase!"
The simple truth that we need to grasp is this: The six billion souls will be reached, not through the slick marketing, self-promoting, mega powerful corporations; nor through the hysterical delusions and manipulation of self-appointed 'apostolic-prophetic' ministries, but rather through hundreds of thousands of local churches humbly and lovingly proclaiming and living Christ in local communities, with the Word of God, by the Spirit of God, through the people of God. It's basic Christianity!
David Robertson is Moderator Designate of the Free Church of Scotland, and director of Solas CPC. Listen to his podcast on GodTV here.
Rich Novek's article which I believe helps clarify what we are NOT believing properly as the world church




Rich Novek
IN Your Body?

For you have been bought with a price: therefore Glorify God IN YOUR BODY. I Corinthians 6:20

We need to move beyond the status quo interpretation of this verse, which the modern day church has made all about honoring God WITH our physical body. And they have done this IN much the same way as the focus of the temple of the Holy Spirit (which you are) has become all about the outward physical form, rather than seeing it as the place where the God of all Grace NOW lives and moves and has His being IN and through us...for others! (Acts 17:28)

So what exactly does it mean to glorify God IN YOUR BODY? Does it mean a regular exercise program? Does it mean abstaining from alcohol, cigarettes or drugs? Does it mean proper bed rest and healthy eating habits? Is that what Paul means here when He talks about honoring God...IN YOUR BODY?

For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for ALL THINGS, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come. I Timothy 4:8

And the only REAL godliness that exists is allowing the only Godly One to live His Godly Life IN and through us according to His perfect Godly plan!

Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, UNLESS YOU EAT THE FLESH OF THE SON OF MAN AND DRINK HIS BLOOD, YOU HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal Life, and I will raise them up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains IN me, and I IN them. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” He said this while teaching IN the synagogue IN Capernaum.

On hearing it, many of His disciples said, “THIS IS A HARD SAYING, WHO CAN ACCEPT IT?" John 6:53-60

IN the same way that "eating of His body and drinking His blood" cannot be understood with the "self preserving" natural mind that is set on the flesh, and is always at enmity with the Mind of the Spirit, we have to know glorifying God IN OUR BODY can only be about One thing. That One thing is seeing ourselves as the vessel, temple, branch, and lamp of God, mere containers, earthen vessels... who IN our weakness and inability to do anything apart from Christ, NOW contain Him as the excellency of God IN His fullness.

But how is it possible to KNOW Him as your only REAL Life when you still claim ownership to a Life independent of Him? Because if that is the case, you wont have any other choice but to see this as a hard saying, IN the same way as the Ones who deserted Jesus In the above passage IN John.

If It's only possible for God to resurrect that which is dead, then why is it so many believers today continue to hold onto a life independent of God that they somehow still see as being their own?

Honor God IN YOUR BODY, not with your body, and the only way the believer is able to honor God IN his or her body is to see their body as the dwelling place of God alone! Anything less then that is the self preserving flesh pretending to be REAL Spirit life, which can only result IN the following...

Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the Blood of the Covenant that sanctified (saved) them, and who has insulted the Spirit of Grace? Hebrews 10:28-29
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No better Xray of how ministries work than our response to God TV. I haven't asked Rich Novek point blank what he feels about Rory and Wendy's split. But I'd guess like me he'd tend to go down into the crevices of WHY things like this happen . More in a bit,,,,in other words more prophetic and less of a human feel. Here is an equally valid pastor's heart on the same issue....and I think this is great too:" It is also true that GOD TV is not to everyone's liking. The channel has its own identity, it has carved out a broadcasting niche for itself that some people do enjoy, and in that niche the station will make mistakes because it is run by human beings, and a trait of us humans is that errors and blunders are a part of what we do. If GOD TV is one end of the spectrum then the BBC's Songs of Praise may be at the other. If we don't like the buoyant atmosphere of GOD TV's programming we can move along the line of radio and TV stations until we come to one that suits our nature. We may also feel inclined to pray for the people who are on a learning curve in their broadcasting ministry."Paul Poulton - Cross Rythms

Having had Rory and Wendy come to my house rather bizarrely just before they knew about the Channel...early 1994 I think....they found me quite odd...because it was clear to them I had been kind of sidelined and they thought this really really odd. So I tried to explain to them that God was raising up all three of the Christian Growth stages again of 1 John 2....and that the first two levels weren't sufficient. I told them I was working on the third level.We walked down to the Emsworth beach for an hour or so as I began to share. I also played them my track Joel 2, which was written simultaneously to Paul Cain's prophecy and is equally as disputed. Wendy felt it was like something her own father would have prophesied.
As good an idea as is God Channel and Christian TV in general there is something like David's new cart about it. Just as the new cart IS NOT the designated vehicle for the Ark of the Covenant and the glory of God see David in 1 Samuel, and it came a cropper at the threshing floor, which got a bit uneven......so, several times now, Sattellite TV has come a cropper. And pastors come croppers too.
The OFFICIALLY designated vehicle for God's glory are human Temples of believers of Galatians 2:20 joined together in brokenness as the church of the Living God...."Joined by that which every joint....WHEN WORKING PROPERLY...supplies." ie not Pyramid pastors. Not two people trying to run TV stations. Now , in pioneering situations God overlooks things. Jesus was allowed to raise 12 disciples singlehandedly....BUT the NORMAL VEHICLE NOW is God's selfbuilding church. The fivefold ministry are something like ignition burners who impart the blueprint....then like at a firework display, light the blue touch paper and let the display run itself. The 2 millennia old bogus pagan form of ministry with pyramids built around single individuals is largely the cause of the half built towers that Richard Dawkins spends so long writing about. So from a prophetic point of view...not a condemnatory point of view...it's always a question of looking at the bigger picture and thinking like David did....God, how do you really want to build so that nobody dies...or here falls off any wagons?

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