Saturday 28 January 2017

10 Reasons you should not open your third eye

Quick recap:   You come out of the womb self absorbed. In my scheme that would be Box Zero.
Parents,family  schooling and the State socialise you, this is Box 1. Pretty leftbrain. Pretty black and white. pretty much the knowledge of the Tree of Good and Evil. Fundamentalist.
Then you go on a necessary search for identity. You can't forever just be a mirror of your surroundings and a hollow self, so you go on a hunt to see how you fit into it all. This is more balance brained. This is Box 2

Hereafter it gets exceedingly subtle. For shorthand  we talk about following God or the devil into our choice of the third or fourth box. A realm of spiritual power and wisdom.
TheBible explains that the KEY tests of spirits are whether they acknowledge Jesus as God in the flesh.  is like Freemasonry or witchcraft initiation steps.Box 4

Box 3 or what I call the third stage of Christian growth is
a gift of God through seeking Him,
through Him opening your inner eyes to see, through your own believing on the Galatians 2,20 scripture

There are however similarities between the two realms and only for this reason would I consider putting up such a video.  You will see more and more such videos on the net, and then eventually this knowledge will start to be mainstream anyway.

It is my belief that the devil has used first classicism followed by materialism and secularism and atheism to weaken the hold of traditional Christian faith, but also to create a drought on planet eath spiritually. This is so when he starts to push his teachings in full force, hardly anybody will have the discernment to tell the difference between general spiritual the way spirit works.....and that which pertains to his own kingdom of "spirits" deceiving demons" and "Masters".

Having said all that he is a good frontman for his information.
Many Christians talk about peace and joy , but they sure don't look like they have it.

Thursday 19 January 2017

More Personally, and about Lydia Joy Shatney and others

very encouraging email from John Stevens

Hi Chris,

Over the years I think it would be true to say you've spent more time outside church than I have but I'm now more than a year away from regular Sunday morning attendance and general church involvement. one time to reflect.

Was sitting down strumming my guitar the other day and realised it was a bit out of tune. A bit lazily I tuned the strings to the bass E and it was improved enough to enjoy playing but not quite perfect. Sometime soon I'll probably get fed up tuning it to the E or the A and tune each string in reference to software on my phone/tablet.

Thought then of you and pianos and then of church. Vague memories of hearing you or someone saying that you actually don't tune each string to perfect pitch as that doesn't quite give the best sound?

What's the place of the best pastors in church. Agree with you that they really don't have to be the 'leader', often they're not! The best pastors are in the congregation! But thinking that you know a pastor when you meet one because they're likely to either be in tune or know how to tune you or enable you to tune you to them. And so the effect of having a few good pastors is a church that just 'feels' in tune. There's love and reality and little social fear. The same problems as the church down the road with all the right doctrines, good teeaching, evocative prophets, but somehow not in tune. But even churches that are lucky to have a good few pastors eventually need a re-set and need to be tuned directly to Jesus.

What I'm getting at here I think is that you have a vision for the third level working on a church wide, body of Christ dimension. When we were colliding with the early charismatic leaders they preached a vision of the body of Christ...certainly my pastor/teacher did - he preached from Call to Discipleship for months just after I was converted just prior to Exeter days. We went to listen to Juan C-O up in London at the Quaker Meeting House. (I discovered that my pastor had little regard for the Highway Code but made a lot of time for honking his horn and swerving the minibus in time with the praise singing in the minibus..but we survived and thrived).

Those days and the vision for the church as taught have stayed deep inside ever since.

But he and I therefore ran aground in Rom 6 and so on. I had to leave and get that knot untied at Roffey...not that they knew there was a knot or that it was untied!

Last thought. Why are you a piano tuner? Piano tuning doesn't play the music but without the tuning the most skilled players can only make a discordant noise. Piano tuning doesn't make the piano or the strings or the pedals.

It's a bit like the piano tuner is in the background...he is an enabler. He's the unsung hero.

It's a spiritual parable.

Keep tuning the pianos. Keep the blog going. You're serving many by being an E or an A in tune. Others tuning themselves to you. They can't be you or you them but they can enjoy their faith that bit more and any ministry/gift they may have that bit more.

Your vision isn't of individual strings making the right sound but of the infinite variety of sound that can be produced when a whole body of believers is in tune. An orchestral vision in fact.

I think Is 62 is a bit like this.

I have posted watchmen on your walls, Jerusalem;
they will never be silent day or night.
You who call on the Lord,
give yourselves no rest,
and give him no rest till he establishes Jerusalem
and makes her the praise of the earth.

Keep going Chris!


2 photos of Lydia having given birth to a son in 1998 and today

Just gonna leave this right here.....
Some-freaking-how I am managing to raise four boys all on my own and I honestly don't know how -even when people ask me every day I simply say; "I just do it"
When I say on my own I mean on my own, no help from family, no help from their dad and the child support I get is a laughable joke.
But somehow I'm not completely losing my shit and somehow my kids are hanging in there too.
It certainly is a messy, hard as hell, crazy, wild situation, but as crazy as this sounds I wouldn't change it for the world!
Today I am reminded to just BREATHE!!
I've got this thing, right?!!!
writes Lydia Joy Shatney

Julie Anne Morris

Who are Lydia Joy Shatney, Julie Anne Morris and  a man called Dan Bowen who has recently died?
They may be unknown people to you but in summer 2007 I was googling Ern Baxter details, and found the blog of an English Nurse brought up in Stanley Jebb's Dunstable church called Dan Bowen.

Through Dan Bowen I learned about Ern Baxter's subsequent ministry in UK fellowships and conferences
I learned that Larry Tomczak and CJ Mahaney had established Sovereign Garace Minstries. I loved Larry and CJ when they were touring Britain in the 80s.

But things had gone a bit sour and I learned that Julie Anne and Lydia Joy were both in SGM as youngsters. Many people chatted. Sheila Atchley who is a pastor's wife in the States and is a friend on Facebook was also one of these who commented on what Dan was sharing.

We shared so much in the comments section of Dan's blog. He told us about Rob Rufus minstry in Hong Kong and we read and listened to many of the mp3s on grace. If you want to dig around in some of what we were talking about, it is still all there in Dan's blog.

It was around 2008-9 that Christian men began meeting each other big time on Facebook.A sister in Kenya said I ought to go on Facebook, some years earlier, but at that point men weren't really doing Facebook in the same way as it has now developed.

So just prior to Facebook, Julie -Anne and Lydia Joy encouraged me to start my own blog in the following summer of 2008.  The 8 Bubble LOGO to highlight the day I began and which in Hebrew numerics actually means  the THIRD GATE or ENTRANCE or PORTAL was devised by Lydia Joy for her own blog to celebrate that date.

In Christ , lives touch for a while and pollinate and when it is genuine something of lasting significance continues to grow inside us.

For others it is not so meaningful perhaps....but for one who was unable to share anything anywhere for about 20 years from the time I was chucked out of the charismatic realm in 1988 until this opportunity opened on the was so beautiful and timely....and probably necessary lest I explode!!!!   I had to share somewhere.

Conspiracy Fact from Psalm 2 Onwards. Starting from Scratch.

Why are the nations in an uproar
And the peoples devising a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth take their stand
And the rulers take counsel together
Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us tear their fetters apart
And cast away their cords from us!”
4 He who sits in the heavens laughs,
The Lord scoffs at them.
5 Then He will speak to them in His anger
And terrify them in His fury, saying,
6 “But as for Me, I have installed My King
Upon Zion, My holy mountain.”
7 “I will surely tell of the decree of the Lord:
He said to Me, ‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
8 ‘Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance,
And the very ends of the earth as Your possession.
9 ‘You shall  break them with a rod of iron,
You shall shatter them like earthenware.’”
10 Now therefore, O kings, show discernment;
Take warning, O judges of the earth.
11 Worship the Lord with reverence
And rejoice with trembling.
12Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way,
For His wrath may soon be kindled.
How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!

Daniel 2.34 You continued looking until a stone was cut out without hands, and it struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and crushed them.

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Wednesday 18 January 2017

Beneath the thin Veneer

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Chris Welch BBC One Show is very absorbing but one of its roles is brainwashing.It is done cleverly in that quite often there will be a corrective role and therefore supply some element of truth but broadly it is a wolfhound or snapping crocodile at the side of the road to keep you herded with the masses.
Messages like
Don't even look into the subject of vaccines
You must use fluoride
You mustn't look into why farmers feed their animals 90 minerals to ensure they don't have to pay vet bills. Why not humans? Because the health service would crash if we were fit and well.
This week we have had..... straw men created around the natural clean eating arena.... as if many many of our conditions can't be cleared more or less straight away by completely overhauling our diets without recourse to big pharma pills. They have doctors immediately disabusing us if these things. (Their livelihood)
Last night I switched on to the end of a false news stories article to help combat the increasing lack of trust in mainstream news. They OFCOURSE just highlight extreme internet or National Enquirer stories. But anybody knows from their own lives the extreme highs and lows of their lives can hardly be related in leftbrain environments because the frequency of in the nick of time deliverances without any real comprehensible cause and effect sequence are so manifold the only place we could share what really goes on is in a testimony meeting and the BBC being Masonic aren't about to authorise anything like that but in the fringes of Songs of Praise. Hopefully as people emerge snail like from their own shells from the internet there will be so many speaking the truth Auntie Bbc Rothschild won't be able to muzzle us

Judy Povey It's been distressing finally realising how well brainwashed we are/I have been.
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Chris Welch when the awful truth starts ripping our skin away, we really feel sick for days as Daniel did when the angel first told him what was planned.
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Chris Welch Last week I delivered a piano and they noticed some things I put on my business card about how I am available for sharing about many of the spiritual discoveries I have made while in the piano trade.

The husband and wife were amazing. They had just spent 18months sailing round the world with their kids. (Digression but interesting. The Dad was asked to come into the school office after "ship schooling " the kids. It was several weeks after the term began.
Mr (such and such) we wanted to call you in about your child. he is finding it hard. The Dad gulped, not being a teacher.
Yes sir, I am afraid your son is now a bit too advanced, he is about a year ahead, we are trying to help him not get bored.. End of digression)

But i shared how i had noticed that at the moment either neither couple "gets" the true situation as in - happy with BBC and Fox interpretation of events....

or at most one spouse "gets it".

The man was the one in his family, and with Sean Withinshaw , Tim Elwell, Rohan Barton and others of my male friends, it is they so far that have cottoned on to things. But it is also going to be the case in my musical profession that I deal with creatives, who in broad scenarios are always decades ahead of the public at large, by virtue of how they are built.
But as i said to them....on Facebook it's many times the reverse gender roles. I think Shirley Unger Cunningham , and Annalize Mouton and so many other women here already see the bigger picture, and my guess is their spouses don't yet.

All i can say is, it is soooooo grueling when the large jigsaw pieces are suddenly I can be sick for days.

Unfortunately while we were establishing a church in Les Ulis Paris, David McCulloch senior was having a complete download around 1981......we all thought he was going paranoid because he was stuck in a new country as a missionary....and he'd been lacking in social interaction.

My wife kept telling me about 3 years ago that I was losing my mind.

So presumably God has to wait for good moments to leak this stuff out, so some normal semblance of order can be maintained in families.

Certainly the Woody Allen figure in Antz, had a hard time fitting into community when the awful truth started to hit him.
Hidden Guiding Machinery -

 Bilderberg Meetings

Architects of War- Asian Build up

False Arab Spring and Syrian Manipulation

The Queen Attempts to Warn Us

and Below
Sarah Abed and Nessa Beeley  report from Syria
Nessa Beeley
16 January at 09:17 ·
Sarah Abed writes to James Longman, BBC

"I am really loving all of these comments. So many truth advocates in one place. It really makes my heart smile to see this. What was probably intended by James to be a safe room where he can be comfortered by his fans quickly turned into a rude awakening for him and anyone else that has made a living telling lies in msm.

After almost 6 years and 400,000 lives lost in Syria it seems that people are finally accepting the truth. The truth that many Syrians such as myself have been trying to tell for many years on behalf of our family and friends that are enduring these unbelievable conditions brought in by foreign intervention. A well planned and executed invasion by the West and their allies. This was never a civil war, it was never a revolution, it was not part of the organic uprisings that took place known as the Arab Spring. I see that many people here know that, you know the truth and even if msm has spent billons, to make this seem like something it's not their plan is failing.

Independent journalists such as Eva Karene Bartlett, Vanessa Beeley shared with the world a glimpse into what really took place and what the people really want the West to know.

I was in Syria 6 months before the war started and there was absolutely no indication that this was going to take place. What we do know is that there were players getting ready to act out this very elaborate production, they stockpiled weapons in mosques and were ready for their que. Much like the White Helmets they were paid actors made to fool the world into accepting lies.

One fact that comforts myself and others is that no matter what happens.. eventually the truth does come out. In order to end this war we need everyone to speak out against the lies. The more people know the truth the harder it is for their governments to play this "savior role" while sponsporing terrorism. It's important for every single person that knows the truth to keep telling others. Syrians and humanity as a whole is counting on you.

Oh and James, you might want to audition for the next Fifty Shades of Gray movie.. I think fiction is more up your alley"

Monday 16 January 2017

More On Darmstadt - Sometimes God isn't looking for a big penis

Just hunting in my spirit for.words to add to what I wrote about Darmstadt.
Morris Cerullo gets big stuff. It is nothing for him to think in nation sizes or to face down spirits across 100,000 stadium and call out every single arthritis......or.every single blind eye.....
So.why does God not choose him to pioneer the new universe? To see Romans 8 in action. Why a little old German psychology graduate called Basilea Schlink and some nuns? Because Morris.doesn't get community.
And Romans 8 is a community of Romans 6 believing people having real world effects in their believing As a community.
Why no powerfilled males?
Because they don't get community. Community to them is an extension of their own ego. It's the network I built. It's the churches I built. haven't the first clue about community. You see everything in the shape of a big penis. Yours.
What is it about males? They can't get hold of.Community in the Spirit.
They either see community in the shape of their own penis. Or if they are the loving type, the people type, they see community as going down the they say in the north of England. A human club. A human group. Nothing more. And that's what you are faced with talking with males.
Males have no clue whatsoever of Community as a Romans 8 version of Romans 6 believing people......people who have new.consciousness.....they know Christ is in them as them. This is completely different from people as an extension of your own grandiose.penis........Or going down the social....
This is the new community who are transplanting a new Universe. God clearly thought it was too big a job's universe sized after all......better give it to a group of.nuns who love each other in Jesus Name and who understand new Creation community.....
Because clearly there are no men for the job!!!!!
This is a sequel to the first Darmstadt article in the previous post

A collection of posts from the most recent all containing references or focussing completely on Basilea Schlink and the Darmstadt Community

Thirteen things you didn't know about the Gherkin

Sunday 15 January 2017

Kanaan - Darmstadt, the Start of the New Universe

Don't you think It's weird that God should pioneer Romans 8 in community form.....(actually quite like He did in individual form with the evangelicals around Norman Grubb of WEC) ie NOT USING Pentecostals and Charismatics???
In fact He used a rather religious format. A NUNNERY!!!
And if that wasn't weird enough He used a Lutheran nunnery and Lutherans don't have nunneries. They are not Catholics!!!
So to RECAP....
IN order to push through a whole prototype of SAINTS setting the whole of creation free....
He chose the most ugly duckling nation possible....Nazi Germany
He chose Lutherans
He couldn't trust men....they have testosterone....and pecking orders....
So rather like the Resurrection....where the men are busy nursing their fears.....the bold women are out there pioneering and expecting to meet Jesus who said He would come back again.
So to pioneer Romans 8, God picked on those "secondrate " citizens , females!!!!, in a secondrate Nazi Germany to trigger the turning round of the whole of the Universe.
Does that sound like the Cinderella Kingdom?
These sisters believed for their own land.
Without apprenticeship they personally brick built all their buildings....perfectly.
They planted fruit and like Romans 8 would suggest...all the fruit and goldfish were massive.
They also PROVED that in this new Creation...if the relationships weren't right, the machinery broke down. When they repented and confessed the machinery just started up of its own accord.
They were a real Romans 8 community because Basilea Schlink laid the spiritual foundation of Romans 6 in each of the nuns.
They were told to believe against belief that they were now new creations.
Their faces changed so much they collected the before and after photos and wrote "Realities" or "Wirklichkeiten"
I think some of them were baptised in the Spirit and spoke in tongues. Certainly the community prayed regularly for miracles.


But while charismatic communities were still coming unstuck because of the powerfilled DIVA mentalities of members all falling out with each other.....
doesn't that just remind you of Jacob's wives.....first one taunting the other.....and God is on neither side particularly He just blessed both.....
but he can't stand pride....
So God bypasses the whole of the world charismatic movement with a waft of His Hand and says.... may be spiritfilled but even after 60-70 years not one of you are thirdlevellers yet...or even remotely interested....
so I will go to a little evangelical community who are believeing all the chapters of Romans and I will start building my new Universe least they are paying attention.
And in 1974 I took a look myself when I was 16.

Saturday 14 January 2017

The Meaning of Union IX - XII David Heisler

I want to mention my thought on the use of gender terminology in the Bible. First, gender designation is not relevant. Young “men” are also young "women". “Fathers” are also “mothers”. God, while normally referred to as Father, is also Mother. In that regard there could be no human or animal mothers, with all the characteristics normally ascribed to mothers, unless those characteristics came from God and were in fact part of the expression of His Person. Having said that, however, I will use the Biblical terminology of “Man” and “Father”. It should be understood that I also mean “Woman” and “Mother”.
: “… I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one…. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.” [I John 2.12-14]
We all leave the “Child” stage and move into “Young Man”. Here the emphasis is strength, knowledge of the written word, and power to overcome evil. Young Man is a necessary stage, but it is just that – a “stage”, not a place to remain. In this stage we all make the designed mistake and error of seeing oneself as a participant in a self-improvement program called Christianity. God designed this stage of understanding in preparation for Fatherhood.

The Young Man stage is designed to thoroughly allow each and every one of us to come to the end of our selves. It can be a frustrating stage where the Christian equates growth with gaining knowledge and becoming powerful. And this is necessary and important, but that will not be obvious at first. For a time you must think it is all “about you” – you are strong – you know the bible – you know how to fight satan – you – you – you. But this stage must end, and it will, at the end of your rope. You’ve done that once – come to the end of your rope when you invited Jesus into your heart. You stopped rationalizing, theorizing and avoiding the truth. You fell on your face before the King of Kings and embraced the truth of Who He Is and finally acknowledged His great love for you. You did exercise that mustard seed of faith and commenced your relationship with the King of the Universe.
Now, as a Young Man you will come to the end of your rope again. The Young Man will attempt to perfect his Christianity – not knowing it is already perfect. The Young Man will work very hard at Christianity and may spend many years doing just that. So, what is the “plan”? The Young Man approaches Christianity as a religion – a self-improvement religion. He busies himself memorizing scripture, which is a good thing really, fighting the devil and being proud of how strong he thinks he is. The Young Man will pray “God fill this place with your Spirit” – or – “God give me the strength, or wisdom or faith or whatever – God give me something so I can do [whatever]”.

The Young Man still sees God as external – separate from himself. He thinks he must wake God up to the problems of the world. God is somewhere else; perhaps sleeping, and must be entreated to “do such and such a thing”. “Strength” is seen as a thing to be acquired – that God will give you if you ask Him properly.
“[Y]e are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.” [I John 2.12-14] I don’t necessarily think that God sees the Young Man as such, only that the Young Man sees himself in this manner.
This is a necessary stage and God allows the Young Man to go on his merry way with his misconception that his strength comes from within himself and that he can develop more by, perhaps, reading and memorizing more scripture and prayer and commitment and morality and whatever else he thinks will make him a better Christian. The Young Man will, eventually fall flat on his face and say “it’s not working”. Actually, there is no guarantee that he will. But hopefully he will. The reason I say “hopefully” is that there are some that never do, but go on through life seeing God as an external being and their life-long purpose to improve their Christianity. But, thankfully for many, the Young Man will be frustrated with his inability to move forward, as he thinks he should, into Christian maturity. He is now ripe for the next step – Fatherhood.

When I was young all I wanted to do was play football. So I did all the things I thought I needed to do to be a better football player. I saw it as a progression from “not a good football player” to someday, maybe, if I worked hard enough, to a “great football player”.
In error, based on what I knew about life at that time, I approached Christianity the same way that I approached football. I wanted to go from being a beginner, a novice Christian, to being a great Christian. So I did everything I thought I should do, and believe me, there were many well-intentioned people, willing to pile on all the requirements.
I got a bible. I got another bible. I got a better bible. I got a concordance. I joined a church. I joined another church. I joined a better church. I read the bible. I listened to sermons. I took notes. I went to bible studies. I taught bible studies. I memorized scripture. I witnessed and actually won people to Christ.
The great misconception of Christianity is that it is about "me”. However, the great truth of Christianity is that “me" is done - dead. But, “me" is alive. Actually, “it is Christ that lives in me”. “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me…” [Gal. 2.20] “For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.” [Col. 3.3]

Wednesday 11 January 2017

The Meaning Of Union I - VIII - David Heisler (2017series)

This is a 2017 version of the subject covered here in 2013

David Heisler is on Facebook which is where these teaching topics are published

What is meant by “union”? “Union” expresses a “right now” reality for all who believe in Jesus. Now, is belief in the historical person, Jesus of Nazareth, required for “union” reality? That is a good question for another day. It should be clear though that the Jesus we know is truly not the Man, Jesus, who lived some 2000 years ago. We do believe in Him and we know somewhat, historically, about Him. But the One we know in our hearts and in our spirits is the eternal Jesus – the eternal Christ – the eternal Messiah. At this point you may be confused or even troubled that I make this distinction. Read on.

If you are reading this you have “union” or are “in union” with God. All those who believe are really and truly in union with their Creator. The much more important question is if we know this reality, this union. And, we may not know it - yet.
I am talking about moving into the “inner knowing” of union. This discussion must start with how you perceive yourself at this moment. This “moment” is the only one you have. I’m not sure if there really is another moment other than the one we experience presently. Jesus is certainly the Alpha and the Omega – the beginning and end, but we only know this one moment at a time. We must find Him and our union, oneness with our Creator, in this moment.

There are certain realities in life for the believer. So, when I say that all believers are in union with their Creator; that is a reality. And, reality is not changed or altered by your opinion of what is real. But the day to day living in this reality is affected by your perception of reality and, in turn, your perception of yourself.
There are three very distinct perceptions of who or what you know and believe yourself to be. The best scriptural reference I know, and, refer to often, regarding personal perception, is found in I John 2.12-13: “I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake. I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.”
John refers to three categories of perception, Children, Young Men and Fathers. These are not three categories of personhood, only of perception and understanding at the moment. There are not three categories of believers. In fact we are all Fathers – we just don’t all know it. But when we do - we know our “union”. You always are in union with God, but you might not be fully aware of it at this moment. But, there are eternal reasons and meaning for each category.

John says, “Children, Young Men and Fathers”. [1 John 2.12-13] The category you find yourself in is merely your perception of yourself. Of course we all have all sorts of perceptions and thoughts, but these are the basic three – Children, Young Men and Fathers - at least as far as John saw it.
Now, what does “category” or “perception” mean? Let’s explain. “Children” see themselves in a childlike relationship with God. Generally speaking that person is relatively new to the faith. That person might have had a dramatic conversion experience, as I did. God, who was far off, is now near and He is kind and loving and basically, “Daddy”. It’s a sweet time especially for those who really need a Daddy. However, the Child is basically a “taker” and not a “giver” and, in basic, early immature perception, not much help in the furtherance of the Kingdom. But that is not a criticism, only a factual statement of where we all began.
In the Child stage “forgiveness of sin” is big – for many - really big. I say that because there are many that come to faith in Jesus with a checkered past. Their life gets a complete makeover upon faith in Jesus. So, knowing the burden and the penalty of sin is lifted and that you have eternal life because of the vicarious death of the Savior, life is wonderful and changing, perhaps rapidly.

So, we said that “Child” is the start in how you perceive yourself in this new life of faith and knowing God. And, just as a human child, the reality is that you’re not going to stay a “Child” forever. Some try, but inevitably all will move on.
And, just as a human child, you are totally on the receiving end, dependent on others. And, as it should be, the Child is full of awe and wonder. The Child has many questions and no end of the more “experienced” willing to give advice and guidance. Everyone wants to make sure the Child gets started on the right foot.
Most, new to Christianity, approach it as one would approach anything new – get with the program - find out what you can - associate with others. Advice is freely given by those further down the road.
Up until salvation God is seen as far off. He appears to be a separate entity from me. We seem to exist in the same universe, but He is “up” in heaven and I am “down” here on earth. But, after salvation - we now know Him, personally, intuitively, and before we did not. But basically He still appears to be “outside” or “separate” from us. Christianity is now seen as a thing to be learned, program to do – Bible to memorize, quiet times to have, church to join and go to, bible studies to attend. It can all get very complicated very quickly. It did for me.

I became a believer in Jesus at 18 years of age. I was born and raised Jewish and then, a few months after my moment of faith in Jesus, got baptized and confirmed in the Roman Catholic Church at Sacred Heart University in Bridgeport, Connecticut. Next, I was baptized Southern Baptist at James Avenue Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas. Next, I learned about communal living at the Episcopal Church of the Redeemer in Houston, Texas. I attended Bill Gothard’s Institute in Basic Youth Conflicts. And finally, I got the "Holy Ghost” complete with my own prayer language. All this occurred before my 20th birthday. Not bad for a Jewish kid from New York.
I was a mess.
What happened? What happened to the simplicity of “Daddy” sins are forgiven... and I’m going to heaven? Well, what happened was my Child stage of Christianity was over and I commenced life as a Young Man. While my life history may be different than yours, we all have similar feelings, emotions and psychology regarding our progression from Children to Young Men and on to Fatherhood. However, before jumping into the “Young Man” discussion, it is crucial to understand what Christian “growth” means and to review some basics.

Let’s discuss “Christian” growth. First, consider a human embryo. Upon conception that human has the genetic potential for all he or she will ever be. While the human will grow from a microscopic size to a full grown size – the fertilized egg, genetically speaking, is a complete human being. That embryo will never become more of a human being or a better human being. In the very same sense the “child” Christian – while new in the faith – is a complete Christian. In fact, better still, a complete person. The Child will never become more of a Christian or a better person. The Child will never be closer to God or have more of Him. The Child is a 100% complete Christian at salvation.
Now, you would never ever say that because a human being is young or small, that somehow they are not a complete person. Physical growth does not affect the reality of who a human, or a person, is. The confusing point is that, as Christians, we equate Christian growth with getting closer to God by learning more about Him or living a more ethical or moral existence – doing what “Jesus would do” – becoming more “Christ-like”. This is primarily because in the “Child” and “Young Man” stages, God is still perceived as external or a separate Being – which is a misconception – as He is neither external nor separate.

In reality God chose to deem the entire creation lost - not some more than others – just all lost. All need forgiveness – all need a Savior. What He did at that point did not depend upon a human – with the exception of One – Jesus Christ. The crucifixion is the one and final sacrifice needed to bring the entire creation to redemption. “… though the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things … [Col. 1.20] And, the crucifixion is not just a historical event, but rather eternal.
So, when a person avails their self to the free gift of redemption, a very common prayer used by many, upon their first exercise of faith is, “Come into my heart, Lord Jesus”. Well, guess what? That is actually and precisely what happens. Why would anyone doubt that? His Spirit is now joined to your spirit. His Heart and your heart are one. An eternal, Holy Union of God to man is created upon that exercise of faith. It does not get “better” or “more”. It simply is. We should be crystal clear on that point. It really doesn’t get any better. Union is not a relationship that can be measured. It simply is. The only relevant question remaining, and what we are really talking about here is, “do I know it?” Do I know my union? And the reality is that a Child or Young Man really cannot know their union. The union is real however, but it simply is not for the Child or Young Man to fathom – not at the moment.

So basically, in a flash, at the moment of faith, you go from lost to found – sinner to saint. Jesus really, really comes into your heart and you are now born again as a new creation in Christ. There are no better or worse sinners. By the same token there are no better or worse saints. You either are or you are not. And, of course if you are reading this – “you are”. So, if there actually is such a thing as “Christian growth”, it is and can only be in the human understanding of who you already are, not in the reality of who you are.
So, Christian growth, if there is such a thing, is all about understanding, not about becoming. At the moment of salvation His Spirit formed a union with your spirit. Despite the eternal truth that you are in Spirit to spirit union with the King of Kings, you may not know that. The eyes of a Child or a Young Man can still perceive Him as being distant and a distinct Being.
We now enter the Young Man stage. Remember how John describes the Young Man: “… I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one…. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.” [I John 2.12-14]

Tuesday 10 January 2017

Brokenness II

If you are used to the traditional stuff on brokenness you will find this continuation of the study quite shocking. 

But what is it you are looking for?  To be a grand master on the writings of Church Fathers who only got so far, or do you want the truth of God inside your very being?

Do you want to conform to all the seminaries, and consequently now all the Jesuit and esoteric and Kaballist groups that have stolen every Word of God previously written from out of the sanctuary, and then cobbled together great Luciferian treatise (s) on the difference between :

The Knowledge of Good and Evil


The Tree of Life?

Or do you want that simple walk in Jesus Christ spontaneously living your life in an authentic and unique way that is God "causing you to walk in the steps that He prepared beforehand"?

Perhaps you should pause right there, because of John 7
17 If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God or whether I speak from Myself. 18 He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who is seeking the glory of the One who sent Him, He is true, and there is no unrighteousness in Him.

Put that the other way round.   If you are reading this for any personal agenda.  Material to preach from, to write books from, to earn tithes from.  Some attemot at peering over the hedge of God's Kingdom, just as the Jesuits operate, then you shall not "get this" teaching.

Jesus says I am the Door.  The thief enters round the back?

Where is round the back?  It is in the leftbrain.  The leftbrain tries to reason up to the life of God.
The doorway to God in you is in your spirit.  The leftbrain is a thief. it does not want personal involvement with Christ, because it knows instinctively that it's entire "Control Bibble" will be ripped open and shown to be the total scam that it is.

There is no selfpowered soul, or selfpowered mind.

We live from Life itself, which is either now a derived life source, via our Adamic inheritance, of "fake independence" which is really the Satan spirit operating and masquerading as us....

OR we come fully into the LIGHT
the SINGLE AGAPE EYE of God and see He is the sole source of everything....

actually, theologically speaking of Satan's life too.   Satan twists God's own empowering life round from being self for others, to a form that is self for self....but actually the power, the drive still comes from the sole Source of the Universe.   (Take this more slowly here by reading Yes I Am by Norman Grubb)


I take issue with those of Facebook and in modern studies who claim the Old Covenant is not accurate.
Shellfish can still easily kill you.
And bacteria can still hide in the folds of the skin of the penis to bring about longterm damage in a male or their spouse, unless cleanliness is taken seriously. Circumcision was not only a sign, it was also a prevention.

If you know how the Holy Spirit moves in meetings of Christian believers you can see all the same hallmarks on all the scriptures we use.  The same dealings with men and women. The same patterns in how the Holy Spirit introduces people to the ways and the character of God.

Yet many times on this blog I have pointed out how God has scratched His head to know how to present Spirit truth before a people was truly able to be caught up in the Spirit, as was made available after Jesus death , resurrection and pouring out the Holy Spirit as He had promised.

You have the Two Goats in the Spirit, there was only need for One Jesus....but this was the old Covenant

In Ezekiel 47 you have Ezekiel presenting the idea of the River of God's Spirit coming from the Throne of God in such a way as a "person brought up in separation" since Genesis 3 can understand it.

In actual Spirit fact the prophecy is nonsense, as is a lot of charismatic prophecy today.


this is why the gospel calls all men everywhere to repentance....

Not because God thinks it might be nice to have some friends and He is lonely....

It's because there is no such thing as secular life
there is no such thing as living independently as just doesn't exist
and if anybody tries it....proverbs chapter 1 tells you what happens

Basically your life crashes !!!!!!

So YES.....there is an Old Covenant version of brokenness
which featured a real encounter between God/the Angel   and Jacob wrestling until Dawn....

Or King David's experiences  AFTER being anointed with oil as King in his youth....and yes I do connect with this man !!!!!!

Brokenness, like today to a certain extent, is God using real life experiences to form a godly character....
OR.....perhaps, like a wood sculptor to strip off the superfluous to leave the authentic creation as God always intended.

Watchman Nee was writing in transitional days, and he used the phrase an enlarged soul.
He said this to describe the way our soul life is now not only God going is enlarged.

If we are going to use that picture we must imagine a "useless expansion" of quirky growth in the way that cancer cells utterly distort our bodies with tumerous outgrowths that end by killing us.

In this way, you would think of us taking up our Cross to see these "falsely enlarged bits of tumerous Adamic outgrowth die."


Brokenness in the New Covenant is something different.

Since before the Creation the Word always existed....long before Satan even rebelled, or was even created.  The Word who became manifest in human form as Jesus Christ was always going to be the Cornerstone of the Temple, the Living Temple of  God indwelt ones.
As we saw with Adam, it was always going to be a CHOICE to put on the Tree of Life,
to want to connect with God...

God has always wanted a Bride, a Counterpart like Himself, that chooses to give and receive love, to enter into Union with Himself.

Sin mightily "upped the ante" so that at one level we live in a precarious time space world where we don't know for sure that  when "Christ returns He shall find faith in the Earth". The jeapardy is probably there precisely to avoid Calvinists and Preterists folding their arms, buying pina coladas and sitting on deckchairs waiting for God's bus to arrive.

We walk in godly fear. The Son of Man was heard for His godly fear, His cries of supplication, which always seems weird in first and secondlevel Christian situations....because thinking in terms of separation.....Jesus down here who is nevertheless Christ, and God up there....

It seems weird that God the Man in praying to God the Father....

But that is actually one of the ways we have to change our thinking about brokenness.
Ps 40
waited [a]patiently for the Lord;

And He inclined to me and heard my cry.
He brought me up out of the pit of destruction, out of the [b]miry clay,
And He set my feet upon a rock making my footsteps firm.
He put a new song in my mouth, a song of praise to our God;
Many will see and fear
And will trust in the Lord.

Now we DO know Jesus as Saviour and Redeemer
But in Union like Jesus we now enter into something mindbendingly awesome, as is now being revealed in our natural sciences.....


Brokenness is now a STATE.   It is true we come in through the Blood of Jesus our Saviour, but He sweeps us up onto a Rock that is higher than I.

He sweeps us up to a totally new ontological reality. That of being a co LIVING STONE in His Temple, in His purposes.

Jesus crying out loud cries was this new reality we too have been put in.
Bringing things forth by the power of the Spirit.
How does it work????

Romans 8 shows us how it works.
26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the [j]saints according to the will of God.

During the time of the Cross "it appeared" that God had abandoned Jesus at the Cross.
Jesus cried out "My God why have you forsaken Me?"
Psalm 22 prophecies this experience.

In reality, that is in this true realm of Spirit.....GOD was instead INSIDE the forsakenness....RECONCILING THE WORLD TO HIMSELF.

THIS is intercession.

Jesus describes it  to King David this way in Psalm 40
Sacrifice and meal offering You have not desired;
My ears You have [e]opened;
Burnt offering and sin offering You have not required.
Then I said, “Behold, I come;
In the scroll of the book it is [f]written of me.
I delight to do Your will, O my God;
Your Law is within my heart.”
The author to the Hebrews seems to quote from an earlier text than the Masoretic text and quotes all this

Sacrifice and offering You have not desired,
But a body You have prepared for Me;
In whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have taken no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come
(In the scroll of the book it is written of Me)
To do Your will, O God.’”

After saying above, “Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have not desired, nor have You taken pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the Law), then He [d]said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first in order to establish the second.

St Paul writes in the same fashion in Romans 12. 1-2

Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, [a]acceptable to God, which is your [b]spiritual service of worship. 2 And do not be conformed to this [c]world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may [d]prove what the will of God is, that which is good and [e]acceptable and perfect.

Why therefore???
on account of all the other tremendous teachings f Romans 1 to 11 being so already....these are the "mercies" the "grace tools" that make everything in Romans 12: 1-2 work.

Back to Romans 8

For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, [i]in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. 24 For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.

So yes Jesus was making loud groaning noises, as a Son....
To enter into Union with God is to enter immediately into the operations He is performing right now...
revealed by the Spirit.....sometimes initially just groans too deep for words, very similar to a woman in labour.

Hod has desired BODIES to bring forth His Word
His purposes and plans.

This is the subtle difference between the "orphan idea" of worship
the orphan idea of brokenness

and the LIVING THING that Jesus was engaged in when He lived His life here, and that He now catches up His whole Body in by the Spirit to complete His work of raising a mature man.

Like the key phrase in Ephesians 4 which says....when each part is working properly....
the "brokenness" of Romans 12 and a yielded life has more to do with our knowledge of the mercies of God...if we don't know what God has done we can mope and groan and grouse and grovel as much as we like....this isn't brokenness...this is religion...this is orphanhood.

The REAL THING is where people have been enlightened according to these sorts of phrases in Ephesians 1

15 For this reason I too, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which exists among you and [u]your love for all the [v]saints, 16 do not cease giving thanks for you, while making mention of you in my prayers;17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the [w]knowledge of Him. 18 I pray that the eyes of your heart [x]may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the [y]saints, 19 and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might 20 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22 And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

We can only RISK giving our bodies to God to manifest through when we have experienced some sessions of Him coming through us...
maybe in times of need
maybe in the baptism in the Spirit
maybe in our church life together...

then also based on what we know inwardly and what has been revealed to our inner eyes...

then we are going to feel like taking more of a risk...because we see inwardly it isn't a risk......

But it is these sort of "Freefallers" that God is looking for Romans 12.1-2 who will PROVE what the will of God is....Namely to bring forth His Kingdom His Word made manifest through physical and me...the church...

so that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places.

Back to the flower:
The flower is perhaps a better representation of our brokenness...

it is totally intact now
it may or may not be weak, but there is nothing in it that shouldn't be there
just as it is it is manifesting the glory of God
it is not being religious and pinning a christian badge to it
it is not trying to "do anything " Christian
It is living exactly as it was meant and purposed

But we are in another reality...we are in the Temple of the Lord.
We are the Body of the Living Christ on earth.
Now as Paul says in Corinthians
I can't address you as says he is of Peter, one of Apollos and one of Paul

Also (Chapter 12) what you are doing is just sticking together in cliques
if someone is an eye they are saying to the leg, because you are not an eye I have no need of you.

This is the state of the immature church. In reality all churches, because there are no churches on earth yet that have Father level people as groups of elders flowing together in this "brokenness"...or "Christ cornerstone Life " that I have described. There are ones and twos who move individually as did Ed Miller, Corrie Ten Boom, Pastor Wurmbrand...but not inside local churches in geographical areas and recognised as such by local communities.

We only have zero, first and secondlevellers who are caught up in their "LEG" groups or "Arm groups " or "Eye groups".

FINALLYto summarise and bash the nail further in.

Because Genesis 3 was always a lie.
Because there really only ever was one source of life in the Universe.
Because UNITY is a fact, as real in our bodies own homeostasis, as it is actually in the Body Of Christ
Because there is only one faith one Lord one baptism...
Because we see with a single eye God going on in His Universe to bring about the completion of all His plans through His Son...

I will flow with every other person walking in this "brokenness"
or Just Christ as me more no additions no subtractions to whatever Jesus Christ is doing in us and through us now.

Now we had an introduction to this in Spirit led meetings.
As we have received Jesus we were to walk in Him....and the first ways we did this was practicing "gathering in His Name" in meetings...
and we have to guard this Unity of the Spirit UNTIL we come into the unity of the faith.

But you can't come into total unity while each individual has squinty eyes
or not a single eye (in internal terms)
David said
OK Lord...I'll tell you what....UNITE MY HEART TO FEAR THE LORD. PSALM 86.11

We have whole churches of squinty eyed people whose inner eyes are focussed all over the place....there is no way we can even get one united church having the shambolic level of Light we have been operating in so far.

In Revelation 12 it says about the true church....a woman with a face shining like the sun, with the moon under her feet.

At the moment thirdlevel living is unknown
every single church member across the face of the whole earth still thinks "separation existence is a valid way to live and operate"....and that living this MOON or "reflected" way of life, where we never actually fuse with God the Father properly....and take on His SUN Life...His Original direct Source Life flow....

continuing in this fashion makes "Jesus is coming soon " a laughing stock.
The devil hears our words but sees our MOON Masques like some Anonymous Venetian Ball....

What He is scared of is being chased off the Earth by a woman with the Face as the Sun.