Thursday 29 May 2014

Things only started going wrong when.....

Things only started to go wrong with me, and the "secondlevel" churches up a mountain side in North Wales,1987. (Secondlevel churches are churches which believe in God and the Holy Spirit out there somewhere, and that we can get anointing by waiting on God, setting aside an appropriate amount of hours, and going to church enough, short, they are the equivalent to the Pool at Bethesda approach. Like Lourdes, they believe in "places", and "protocols", and "headship and submission" and strangely single apostle pyramids, but they haven't yet paid the price of Galatians 2:20 in their own lives) Psalm 120 decribes the needle we all feel when those who surround us are pushing us in directions we are not happy with. So up this mountain, I did the characteristic psalm 120 thing and yelled at God and blamed Him. Only I did it more religiously than that!! God replied..." What are the others to do with about you? Do you want to follow Me?"
So weighing things up...I said yes I did.
From then on I followed the Holy Spirit doggedly. And the more I did, the more it cut across protocols. Like , for instance, Emsworth apparently had some law about not going to pray for somebody's healing if it was out side their control "and covering".
In being specific here, they are ofcourse nothing out of the ordinary. All this type of thing is listed in the gospels as Jesus followed the Spirit. He also listed His own lists of observations as well which caused a lot of amusement. Lainee Waterfield just had the same thing this morning in Southampton.
If we still walk in Genesis 3 THESE are the FLESH/FIGLEAF/RELIGIOUS symptoms that MUST bleed through. I bet if I followed Canon Andrew White around he'd have the same rubbish. And if he followed me around like my wife does...he'd still find this rubbish still clinging onto me. Basically its squiffy seeing, where we are not moving from CHRIST AS ME. Or as Jesus put it " not ONLY DOING what we see Dad doing." The problem with secondlevel churches is this stuff is now made into protocols. All sorts of laws, hidden and open that are just what Jesus calls human tradition. The Leaven of the Pharisees. They CUT right across the anointing. And they cut right across people living Jesus as them. In fact in Samuel's case and Jesus case the Father got them cutting directly across. Samuel turned up late deliberately for the agreement he had made with Saul. Jesus in John 7 said to his brothers...NOPE...I am NOT going up to the Feast....then DID.
He also, when He heard about Lazarus dying...HE DELIBERATELY STAYED LONGER where He was. WOW.
So are you starting to get it?
One of the functions of thirdlevellers is to OBEY GOD SO CLOSELY we start to expose secondlevellers to themselves. They then have a choice.
To call US NAMES....or to call themselves names!!!! LOL
So apparently one of the names I'm being called at the moment around Havant is "depressed". I'll give them depressed!!!. Once the third level breaks out properly in all the churches according tp the law of Hebrews 13.13 living....we'll find out whose depressed.!!!!!
Psalm 126 says...when the Lord restored the fortunes of Zion we were like those who dream, our mouths are filled with laughter and our tongues with shouts of joy."
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Monday 26 May 2014


Est 2:7 And he brought up Hadassah, that is, Esther, his uncle's daughter: for she had neither father nor mother, (thus fitting the Melchisedec pattern … see Hebrews 7:3…which reveals the disposition, character and calling to lay down one’s life for another) and the maid was fair and beautiful; whom Mordecai, when her father and mother were dead, took for his own daughter.

(Esther, in the biblical sense, was adopted (more in J.A.T. No.414). As we identify with Esther and our ‘Melchisedec destiny’, it requires that we do not allow the constant demands and expectations of close family to deter us from our vision of seeing the Kingdom of God come forth in every man. If they are not supportive, it is like they were ‘dead’. Forsaking father and mother (etc.) does not mean turning off one’s compassion from family, it simply means that their influence is no longer in ‘first place’!

God will give the necessary wisdom and there will be no compromise! If you are apprehended by God and He says ‘go’ then you cannot help but go. 

Loyalty to family
or a ministry 

or a fellowship 
is superseded by love for Father-God and therefore love for His plan for His kingdom … obedience at the ‘individual knowing level’. (Esther 2:14) … 

.....who knoweth whether thou (“Esther”) art come to the kingdom for such a time as this? Who knows if YOU are? Actually you do! 

What a super testimony from our ‘Esther pattern’: apprehended for the throne and thus progressively experiencing being JOINT HEIRS with Christ-Jesus. 

Ray and Sheila Knight

Sunday 25 May 2014

"B" Movie with credits longer than the film (47s)

From an idea by Revival Tabernacle. Compiled by Chris Welch on his birthday!!

"This is ofcourse a spoof on a genre and specific time period. It comes from a single poster made by Revival tabernacle which displays a similar film genre. You young'uns wouldn't remember local fleapit cinemas at their lowest ebb in the 60s. The film heyday was over, gradually by the mid 70s practically the only thing being screened was really seedy 70s porn, until Spielberg more or less singlehandedly reinvented cinema for the whole family. So yes, the loudspeakers were all shot, the film was grainy, and just for a laugh I wanted to make the credits longer than the film"

Saturday 24 May 2014

Rich Novek Chris Welch and Joan Reilly on Colossians :3-4

The Only Reflection!

“Do not call to mind the former things,
Or ponder things of the past.
“Behold, I will do something NEW,
NOW it will spring forth;
Will you not be aware of it?
I will even make a ROADWAY IN the wilderness,
Rivers IN the desert. Isaiah 43:18-19

The roadway Isaiah points to here is the narrow path which leads to Life that Jesus Himself said so few find, not the wide roadway that leads to destruction that so many are walking today. "Perishing" as Paul so aptly puts it (I Corinthians 1:18), which is really the perfect word, because the death they continue to call Life and the darkness they call Light (Matthew 6:23) is the very thing that causes them to run after a separate life they call...their Christian life!

For you have died (past tense) and your life is (NOW) hidden with Christ IN God. WHEN CHRIST WHO IS OUR LIFE, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him IN Glory. Colossians 3:3-4

What Paul is saying; as the container (vessel, temple, branch, lamp) of God, when you are gazing IN the mirror and you no longer see two, or when you finally understand that seeing more than God is the only possible definition of the "divided house that cannot stand" and the "double minded man who is unstable IN ALL OF HIS WAYS", it's only then you will begin to see (perceive) Jesus Christ as the only REAL reflection (identity) there can be!

Joan Reilly

It's kinda funny. I am learning for the first time that when you go through things with Him in your center, you have to share right then and there.. This stuff with Patrick isn't something I can just quietly go through alone so to speak, but it seems I have to blab my prayers to the world. Seems like God wants me to go through this in public so in sharing my fear, pain, weakness He is glorified. So all I can say is yes, I want to be a part of everything you and Rich say even if I have nothing to add. You minister Life and Life is where I want to be at all times.
This week Joan learns Patrick her son's kidneys have shut down at 39.

In sharing this  "nothing to add", Joan is actually giving quite a key to how all three, Rich Linda and Joan all operate, as does Elaine Waterfield.

We're going public with a way of seeing...come hell or highwater.
 How does Jesus "get revealed" when we are in a universe of appearances, living with a people who only see separation, that is themselves as : self powered "livers", and God off somewhere else, if he exists at all.

Part of the embarrassing (to the flesh) revealing...or let's use stripping off of the false dual seeing, is the stating quite deliberately that we do not believe this is so.
The Christian way has always begun this way, whether it's the public confession of that death in baptism, or the more recent "going to the front" in a Billy Graham crusade.
We believe in our heart according to the Word of God, we confess that word with our lips, and we are "saved"...or enter into the mechanics of salvation working by the Holy Spirit in our lives.

Romans 10:6 But the righteousness based on faith [imputed by God and bringing right relationship with Him] says, Do not say in your heart, Who will ascend into Heaven? that is, to bring Christ down;

7 Or who will descend into the abyss? that is, to bring Christ up from the dead [as if we could be saved by our own efforts].

8 But what does it say? The Word (God’s message in Christ) is near you, on your lips and in your heart; that is, the Word (the message, the basis and object) of faith which we preach,

9 Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

10 For with the heart a person believes (adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Christ) and so is justified (declared righteous, acceptable to God), and with the mouth he confesses (declares openly and speaks out freely his faith) and confirms [his] salvation.

11 The Scripture says, No man who believes in Him [who adheres to, relies on, and trusts in Him] will [ever] be put to shame or be disappointed.

12 [No one] for there is no distinction between Jew and Greek. The same Lord is Lord over all [of us] and He generously bestows His riches upon all who call upon Him [in faith].

13 For everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord [invoking Him as Lord] will be saved.

WHEN CHRIST WHO IS OUR LIFE, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him IN Glory.  Colossians 3:3-4
Chris Welch
try this one for size.
Today is the Day of Salvation.
God's Name is I AM.
He raised us up with Him to sit with Him in heavenly places...NOW.There is no other time.
Ecclesiastes 3 :11 Youngs Literal The whole He hath made beautiful in its season; also, that knowledge He hath put in their heart without which man findeth not out the work that God hath done from the beginning even unto the end.
I don't know if you are catching this.
These SECRETS NOW are all already encoded in your heart.
You don't have to wait.
But you have to enter deep into your heart.....way past the emotional surface. Way past your own subterranean agendas.
To find God. Who is there already. "IN YOUR MIDST"
Don't be as the gentiles who heap up prayers like catholics with hail marys, or witches with spells and incantations, or Anglicans with their weekly liturgies, or charismatics with their statutory 5 "free worship" song don't be like heaping...instead go into your inner room and close the door...close the door to anglicans, catholics, witches, secular rulebook types saying don't touch this and do things this no no...we're Romans 12 -ing it here...we're being transformed in the the inner recesses of what drives our mind.
Waiting on the Lord in Hebrew means in one version,interweaving, becoming interleaved with.
When it says my life is hidden with Christ in God...."hidden with" in Greek means as near as an angel's toenail the same thing.
New Agers meditate...but Paul says of this type of life in 1 Corinthians 12 drifting along by any which spirit "as you were wont to do"....(diverse spirits)".No one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit."
Here's your check list.
We can't make Jesus Lord. But the Holy Spirit can so move within us as to make our being line up with the already existing total Lordship of Christ.
Go into your inner room and meet with your Father in secret.
WHEN CHRIST WHO IS OUR LIFE, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him IN Glory. Means TODAY. Means as we explore in our heart and find this Father of souls...our soul is REVEALED a BIT MORE...BUT IN HIM.
This is all PRAYER IS.
THIS is all meditating upon HIM is.
THIS IS ALL a meeting of gathered saints IS.
WE leave a meeting having BEEN that bit more REVEALED in Him. As experience.
When we make love with our wives we don't remain unaltered.
THIS in the same way is TRUE WORSHIP. We connect with God....this eternity...THIS our hearts.

I love the Young Literal translation of the Ecclesiastes verse. It sounds the most correct to my insides.
All the others say either He does everything just right and on time, but people can never completely understand what he is doing.NCV which isn't too negative
or uncharacteristically crap for the Message "but he's left us in the dark, so we can never know what God is up to, whether he's coming or going." which betrays Eugene Peterson's childhood spent I guess in one too many garbage catholic or Anglican sermons which lie continually about God's ways being too high to understand and we just muddle along down here until we die, and in a blaze of glory we go " Aha...Now I understand."

NOPE the Youngs Literal is fantastic wording."that knowledge He hath put in their heart without which man findeth not out the work that God hath done ."

In other words UNTIL we repent....meta noia...out from our nous, our conscious mind. Until we break with the darkened circularity of believing in things just as they appear to our senses...until we go down deep into our heart areas....we will never find the Truth of who we are, of who God is...both spirit....of UNION....of the secrets of living by the word of other words Christ is never revealed in us....our religion remains like a lifelong Catholic and Anglican service, never coming to a knowledge of the Truth, and having that Truth set us free.


Friday 23 May 2014

The 7th note

How dangerous is the charismatic movement?
It's like the 7th note of the scale played with the octave...(the last note before you get back to" do a deer, a female deer") It's so nearly there it sounds awful played against a true octave
You have to go through it to grow
Judas, St Peter, Thomas, were all charismatics when they did what they are famous for
It claims to be "the final thing" which is the most dangerous thing about the whole move...they are not the final thing...the final thing is moving from REST, of only doing what you see the Father doing. This , the fact that it is a "young man stage" movement in every aspect of its theology, from leadership dependence, to a continual seeking of God when it isn't God who needs to be found!!!!! The seeking is all about US being Him.
The two houses of God today, the evangelical house and the charismatic house are , like King Saul, two of the most dangerous places to be, because they still have "positions" but they don't follow the Cloud, which moved on long ago. Just about all current leadership, which visually, in context, currently looks OK, are actually like Buckingham Palace Guards in their posts, but the Queen isn't there she is in another country.
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If you are struggling in a charismatic church and just in increasingly worse confusion about it (see the previous status) then make an internal decision to "follow the octave" and more and more you will see all the stuff that charismatics do that God just isn't doing. You may get chucked out, like Song of Solomon 5 says, but at least you'll be beyond waiting around Bethesda Pool endlessly waiting for an Angel to stir the waters for you....Christ in you will be in charge of your own destiny!!!!
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If you want to see a charismatic in action, think of Peter slicing off the ear of a guard, which Jesus had to stick back on. This is USA and UK, who in the name of God, butcher their way through the world to maintain their heroin trade and new oil pipelines and call it fighting terror.
Who is going to stick some ears back on?

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Wednesday 21 May 2014

On Young'uns and Rocks

Peter-David Aston
I don't know lengths of time for others on here, but many of us chat away as equals. There are even a handful of young'uns...and I think to myself....I cannot begin to imagine what they have been through to get the understanding they have.
Your average thirdleveller at the moment is 50-80. I crashed into the basic revelations by 30, but I was sooooo disillusioned with the system at 12, I had that at least going for me. At 12, I had everything. Two teacher parents who gave us holidays all over the place as a family every two minutes (teacher holidays). We lived in a nice area in a nice house, and they brought me up to do very well at the highly academic Dr Challenors Grammar School. I'd just got 11 A's.
But my insides screamed....THIS IS NOT IT!! THIS IS NOT REAL LIFE.
Well 12 years Methodism clearly wasn't the answer, so I became an atheist. Ofcourse I had no idea at that point that Methodists were renegades. They had all rebelled against their founder John Wesley and nolonger believed in being regenerate. They sold their entire revelation foundation for a gospel of works and helping your fellow man. But Buddhists do that. And now, through Comic Relief so do atheists. Methodists deserve to be trodden underfoot as Jesus said. Lose your saltiness and become winter roadcover!!!
Back to young'uns...
I once met a thirdleveller fresh from the Gulags. He was only 22 or something and he warned us the KGB would probably get him and say he committed suicide. This happened in America. His name: Sergei Kourdakov.
MaryMagdalen seemed to become a thirdleveller in no time at all. She, unlike the socalled "apostle/father figures(1 John 2) actually listened to what Jesus said and turned up at the tomb on Easter Day!!!!
Third levellers KNOW THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY KNOW that apart from God they are nothing. They know they were never self-powered....that this entire delusion was a spirit masquerading as them called "sin in the flesh".
Now try and listen to this...especially some of you really cynical Facebook types.
Try and get this.
Recognising "sin in the flesh" is not A PARTICULAR WRONGDOING.
Secondly it is not saying "THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT". and flatout not taking responsibility.
It is saying something horrific.
It's saying that while I knew something to be evil...yes evil...when my best intention was to say no....somehow I still wholeheartedly did it anyway...WHY...because my self - powered delusion is now exposed, and I see that that whole condition doesn't exist...for it is really to be glovepuppet for "another hand or power" inside me, which clicks into place as soon as I make myself "god of my own destiny".
I cannot do that. Humans are not made to do that.
We either LIVE BY CHRIST...THE ONLY PURE SOURCE OF LIFE in the UNIVERSE....or we live by the power of a fallen angel, who himself is only living a twisted form of God's own life...since the devil also cannot live "of himself"...being a created being also.
The disciples were kind of firstlevellers to begin with. They were Jews. They understood faith towards God. That there was a God. In our western world, just coming to that conclusion takes a certain amount of time now.
But these 12 guys said Yes to having Jesus invade their lives 3 years continuously.
The equivalent in general living terms is decades and decades.

Yesterday I put a basic principle of how things work up in the form of a spoof B movie where the credits are longer than the film.
Here's another "ALL of LIFE" principle in one sentence.

Matthew21:"Jesus said Jesus asked them, Have you never read in the Scriptures: The very Stone which the builders rejected and threw away has become the Cornerstone; this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes?

43 I tell you, for this reason the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce the fruits of it.

44 [u]And whoever falls on this Stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom It falls will be crushed to powder [and It will [v]winnow him, [w]scattering him like dust]."

I put in the whole context....and this was after the parable of the vineyard workers killing the son of the whole estate owner...
so I meant this sentence:
whoever falls on this Stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom It falls will be crushed to powder [and It will [v]winnow him, [w]scattering him like dust]."

This is about as hard a sentence as the John 6 one people all walked away over.

But it is actually our LIFE STORY.
We are encouraged to love God with all our hearts and love each other...and this, as well as being the petrol for the engine of our spiritual also the ANAESTHETIC for some of the radical surgery that needs to go on in our life if
we are ever going to stand for more than a second in front of God and feel comfortable.

God hasn't made it easy for us. It has been made a lot harder by our own choosing. We chose Darkness and we continue to love Darkness rather than Light.
But here's the good news about REDEMPTION.
God replaces our inner centre WITH HIS PURE SELF. This is being BORN AGAIN.
Then, a bit like riding a new bike, we have to learn HOW THIS NEW INNER CENTRE WORKS.

It works by faith.
It works by believing everything God speaks.
But it is also INDESTRUCTIBLE containing the very LIFE OF GOD HIMSELF.
Here's the TRICK though. We have to learn to operate our WHOLE LIVES, IN FAITH, FROM OUR INNER CENTRE.

IT is ONE THING to HAVE an inner centre....1John 2 the Child stage
It is another to become FIXED in our whole identity of our new INNER CENTRE, that is the "young man stage".
But to WALK FROM, AND OPERATE CONTINUALLY FROM our inner centre, including many "tricks of the new trade" ADOPTED SONS...where the word adopted is the Jewish meaning for
TRAINED SONS NOW ELIGIBLE for their Father's business concerns.....

Hah....that's something else.

But that which seems so dastardly and awful and hideous when you first hear Matthew 21:44 above doesn't explain things like...only the independent self delusion doesn't survive!!!!!
It is a circumcision.
A circumcision of our heart.
We STILL get to keep the rest of our heart.
This is all going on in our spirits.
Other people may or may not pick up our new behaviours.
Jesus brothers never noticed Him for I don't want to raise your hopes too much!!!
BUT in the Spirit it is absolutely real.

And our redemption story WILL look like the stories in the Bible.
Before we ourselves are circumcised we love to look on St Peter, or Moses hitting the Rock twice...or other disciples of Jesus and think..."Wallies". Or perhaps there are other Christians we know. "I will never be like that".

God doesn't get a kick out of us looking as stupid as possible. Most things He speaks to our hearts and hopefully we listen.
Only Satan and our flesh have a problem with that.
The Father views it matter of factly. He KNOWS us since before Creation began.
IT is us that think we need figleaves, just in case He sees.
He is about removing our figleaves...NOT to laugh at us...but to cover us WITH REAL REDEMPTION. To build into us HIS VERY SON. To DO WITH little old us what angels have NO IDEA OF.

In STAMPING US with HIS GLORY He didn't want what happened to the Fallen angels...their rising up in Pride and the foolish delusion of their own independence...

SO THIS TIME...He has decided to create a people out of clay, a people of lowly estate, to UTTERLY STAMP THROUGH in our weakness, WITH HIS INTERNAL CHARACTER....which will TAKE HIS GLORY that He wants to crown us with.

HE iS AIMING for people LIKE HIM, who feel happy to be around HIM...for eternity.
Some of the elders in the book of Revelation haven't actually done much yet. They are just so over the moon at being in the constant Presence of the Lord...and FEELING OK THERE. They haven't done anything for thousands of years now, except say "Holy Holy Holy"...and then like some HUGE spiritual/holy orgasm or something it completely wipes them out and they fall to the floor again. I think their eventual aim is to actually do something else in heaven...just that every time they see CHRIST popping out afresh in a human, they fall on the floor again.

REDEMPTION does involve things like looking stupid.
Making big Peter sized mistakes.
AND everyone knowing about it.
AND psalm 66.12 "people riding over our heads"
AND Song of Songs 5 Watchman stripping us naked in the streets....

BUT ALSO it involves taking very ordinary people and packing them out with God explosive to detonate nations for the glory of God....
It involves learning the Jesus and Paul trick of the trade of looking hopelessly defeated while all the time the unlimited POWER of the LIVING GOD is streaming out of you to create huge new portions of the KINGDOM.
IT involves you learning about how the Hebrews 13.13 walk works....GOING Arthur Blessitt did...almost as a scout for 38 years trudging out the new territory of the CROSS....


Tuesday 20 May 2014

No excuse. No escape. By Joan Reilly

There is no excuse! There is no escape!

When I finally heard the real message of the Cross, losing to gain, dying to live in my weakness and inability to do anything apart from Him, I was set free indeed. That was four years ago right here on Facebook when I found Rich Novek on my list of friends. I had 19 people on that list and the only one I wasn't familiar with was Rich. Being new to Facebook, I thought it was a dangerous place out here in this great big world wide web, and nearly deleted him as a possible axe murderer. Wasn't everybody? My mother told me never talk to strangers and Rich was definitely a stranger. That delete button was a serious consideration until I began seeing articles he was writing about losing my life to gain Only Christ as my "real" and "entire" Life. Over the many years of trying and failing to live the Christian life I had pretty much given up in utter exhaustion. I had enough church experience to know that I was a complete and total failure in the eyes of an angry God. As hard as I tried to get "closer to God" by trying to spend quality time, being in the word and tithing and watching the world crumble around my feet, the only thing I could look to was the day He would "rapture" me out of this dreadful hopeless place. That's when Rich's writing began showing me my true identity. I began to see my utter failure and weakness as the very place my Heavenly Father would show up in His fulness. Once God began to raise His Hope, Faith and Life In me, it became my life's quest to see the Words God was writing through Rich available to others. That's when I asked if I could be a part of his "Rich IN Christ" ministry.

It is clear that God has placed on Rich's heart a message Who's time has come. The Church/Body of Christ must "hear" what the Spirit of God is saying and has been saying for the ages, which is the mystery hidden for generations, Christ In you, the hope of glory. I don't think it's too far fetched to recognize this message has fallen on the heart of this one (and perhaps a very few others) saint as one crying in the wilderness. Behold the Kingdom of God is at hand. Old things (sin, separation, condemnation) have passed away and all things "are" become new (Christ's Living In and Through His people) by the Faith of the Son of God. For this Truth, Way and Life, there is no room for any law to exist as something we still must adhere to. Yes, he wants one hundred percent of our hearts. He wants

EVERYTHING we have and everything we think belongs to us.

The tithe? Replaced with "Freely we have been given, freely we give." The rapture? Perhaps. But for now, we contain the Son. "I came that they may have Life (My Life) and Life Abundant".

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 2 Corinthians 5:18

Sunday 18 May 2014

Elaine's 2 1/2 years in Migori

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The TShirt Elaine gave me for my birthday

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Friday 16 May 2014

The False fulcrum on which our churches balance

RICH NOVEK   So What Flows?

So many of today's "so called" spiritual leaders walk as a house divided against themselves because they refuse to let Christ alone be their ALL sufficiency IN every situation they face!

This is why the leaders who are thought to be mature can have their REAL maturity tested at any time just by letting God touch what is really at the center of their life, that being what flows out from their belly (center).

For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are ENEMIES OF THE CROSS of Christ, whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite (belly), and whose glory (center) is IN their shame, who set their minds on earthly things. Philippians 3:18-19

The only litmus test for REAL Christian maturity is found IN the personal "losing to gain" message of the Cross, anything else is just earthly minded performance based religion, no matter what powerless form it may take!


A sister writes:"The law was fulfilled in Jesus, it was not done away with. There is a huge difference and one which is not being properly taught today."

No No. The Word and the Spirit always take the Church higher and higher, and Jesus opened the door with all His Father's care teaching, plus the dynamic spiritual principle of GIVE and it shall be given you.
All previous forms of priesthood were nailed to the Cross. There is absolutely no tithe now. WE ARE THE PRIESTHOOD. We GIVE FIRST and FOREMOST to the household of faith and none more than those LIVING and MINISTERING BY FAITH. Psalm 110 shows if we want to walk in POWER we have to give voluntarily. The threefold fragile crucible of the relationship of full and part time ministry, the hearers/Body, and the Holy Spirit who direct all sons of God, are the flimsy weak vessel which hold the very POWER of GOD ALMIGHTY. It is the "good idea of man and accountants" to construct systems and New Carts like King David, so we don't need God.
All the old Testament picture forms of Levites, of walking 6 steps then sacrificing, of the 10th,.....are now dead in the water because everybody now knows the Lord from the least to the greatest, and because of the dynamic which is truly supernatural of give and it shall be given unto you. Every naysayer at this point mentioning that nobody is like that must remember that in the 50s nobody was baptised in the Spirit either , only an obscure bunch called Pentecostals. In other words if we preach the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31 we will GET the New Covenant of Jesus....if we carry on preaching Judaism that's what we get in our churches and no power, no revival, not many born again,dreadfully immature saints, and lots and lots of endless moneyproblems, building problems, pastors committing adultery because they are bored and effectively stealing God's own money from the saints. All God's money has a direct purpose. If you pastor, then you transfer the life of Jesus as quick as you can like St Paul, then hear what the Holy Spirit says next. All this endless "leaven of the Pharisees" coming from endlessly recycled manna and Bread from the 60s , 70s and 80s...instead of following the I AM GOD, who is speaking NOW...has to stop.

I read Jack Fortenberry's book Corinthian elders and was impacted...but today as I read Joan Reilly's words I felt the most searing anger about the robbing of saints, and true ministries such as Elaine and George. I have never felt such disgust from God's Spirit for tithing....that it locks up God's own money that He demands is used for orphans widows, sick, prisoner's familes,people who genuinely minister living as the "real" household of faith, and doing precisely what the Holy Spirit tells them. Countless multitudes are not HEARING the gospel...there is no money to send workers to them....nor are being impressed by the gospel, because God's people are unable to shower outsiders with unconditional love gifts and supply...because false ministers who preach backward, lame, leavened gospels are stealing it from those God has designated it for.

People like Elaine have given everything. She is as rare as hen's teeth. She has to beg, borrow and steal (not really steal lol) for the work that God has laid on her heart. She lives with the people God has placed in and on her heart. She gives up a life of ease and comfort to live in a manner most people would run for their lives from. She does all this out of the heart of the Father. She calls her Father Dad. She knows Him as her Dad. I hope to know Him that way too. I want to see her Dad provide for her needs and the needs of the ones He loves through her in such a way she will not be able to contain it. I want our Dad to prove His Word in and through her and people like Rich and Linda Novek who have literally laid down their lives for their friends in sharing the Real Gospel.
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Joan Reilly :Chris Welch is another I want to see unable to contain God's blessing. You speak an unpopular Truth and pay a heavy price. It's not an easy walk you have been given to walk, but it's Life to those who find it. For those who think you are angry or un nice, may God finally give them "ears" to hear what the Spirit of Christ In you is saying.
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Joan Reilly :The Household of Faith in the fellowship of His suffering. May God prosper ministries that are willing to suffer for His sake. May the Faith of the Son of God be pleasing to the Father according to  His 
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:Excellent excerpt from Corinthian Elders by Jack Fortenberry showing how life could be

Thursday 15 May 2014

The Ex-gay psyche by Jim Marjoram

Anybody who has had the bathroom floor experience with God....(whether a single one or one of many...and the phrase you received Christ as Lord...inner walk in Him...inner desperation)...cannot, regardless of sexual orientation...well I wanted to say orientation, but like gay, i think it's a n Illuminati phrase attached to a minority group, that they plan to first raise up, then later smash, as they did in Hitler's Germany....remember Berlin decadence, then concentration camps.....they took their first potshot by inventing AIDS and trying it out in SanFrancisco.....

nope this blog article stands out for much bigger and very perceptive reasons

To me it epitomises the whole of first and secondlevel Christianity.
You see, as in the natural, so in the Spirit.
Your inner agenda is what the 1st and 2nd Commandment are about....and to be quite honest....NOTHING BUT THE RELEASE of JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF in your inner being, is ever going to fulfil those two commandments of LOVE DRIVE.

Jim speaks here of subverting homosexual drives with overlays of religious activity.
Well it never worked subverting my sexual drives.
I was a published charismatic songwriter. And the songs that never got out to the wider world certainly were sung in all sorts of groups, Exeter University at times, and the churches I was involved with.
I led worship.
Then in Emsworth we as a bunch were taught how to take things to the nth degree leading in worship.

Romans 7 TIME.


Gay, lover of women, lover of purple headed dolphins from Mars....none of it is any help unless Christ can break through the whole deluded self image of being a "Genesis 3" separate being, a self-empowered god.
When as Romans 7 shows us clearly...not off the page...but as St Paul experienced it and graphically relays is the literal "revelation of sin in the flesh".
I can only articulate it like this....
It's a marionette suddenly waking up to the fact that all this time it has felt independent...but for the first time learns the devastating truth...IT ONLY WORKS BY STRINGS. Yup, that's right , "Human beings" only "work" by spirit operator.

I digress....Here's JIM......


I'm going to go out on a limb here, and make some assumptions about people I don't personally know. Not something I would normally do, but bear with me.

As most of you may know by now, I spent many years in ex-gay reparative therapy. In fact most of my life involved some sort of attempt at becoming "straight".

My most concerted effort was with Living Waters, a part of Desert Streams ministries run by Andrew Comisky.

Without spending ages going into the details of how it all worked, there was a disturbing psychological aspect that I began to see in everyone who claimed to be healed/set free/changed etc. I call it religious obsession. I'm sure a psychologist would have more interesting terms for it!

What seems to happen is a purposeful setting up pf a system of dualism in their minds in an attempt to subvert the "temptations of the flesh" (ie homosexuality). This involves embracing the view that we are worthless scum (generalisation, but basically true) and focusing more and more on Jesus and the aspects of his blood and crucifixion. The pull to keep deferring to the religious activities of confession, humility (or perhaps self abasement), self examination etc, become obsessive as the core issue of being gay refuses to go away.

The result of this is an avoidance of the real issue by smothering it with religious activity - activity of the mind as well as ritual. Constant efforts at self-brainwashing through reading the bible, supportive literature, accountability to other equally obsessed people until that's all they can think about.

The end result is people who have deep sexual incongruity, low self-esteem that is forever being propped up by religious performance, judgementalism, and an inability to communicate with anyone outside of their paradigm.

Andy Comisky is a very clear example of this, especially since he has converted to Roman Catholicism. Reading his more recent blogs, its easy to see how he has become totally lost in this obsession in an attempt to override and divert his mind from the core issues. This is really common amongst all these guys, and when you take a step back from it you realise how creepy and disturbing it really is. The longer they go on, the more detached from reality they become.

Time and time again we see guys involved in ex-gay ministry "fall". But they don't have affairs or encounters with women, as one would expect if they had been cured and were tempted like straight guys. They go back to their core sexual identity... hmmm.

There is an incredible unreality to it all, a lack of integrity and congruity. There's a retreat into a fantasy world. Its a denial of all we are in God, a slap in Jesus' face and an exercise in creating a God of our own design.

It would just be sad if it wasn't for the deceptive power these people hold over weak and vulnerable guys, desperate to understand who they are.

So yeah, I've made something of a judgement on Andy and others like him. But I've been there and know how it works. I've seen it and experienced it. What a waste of life.

Wednesday 14 May 2014

Do not be conformed to this world

Denominational,evangelical and charismatic Christians all do an inner translation of this phrase: Do not be conformed to this world.

After their mental processing it drops out the other end like sausages from a mincer like this: Do not be conformed to the Tree of the knowledge of Evil, but accept the Tree of the Knowledge of Good.
Which ofcourse this verse doesn't mean at all.
They do something similar with " Henceforth we view no man after the flesh"...this is twisted to mean....henceforth, even while viewing a person in the middle of doing something off the Tree of the Knowledge of Evil, we will now imagine him or her perfectly capable of doing something off the Good end of the Tree.
The socalled spiritual examples in the world today, the Pope, the Dalai Lama and the Queen, are all people who call the world back to the Tree of Good and away from the Evil end of the Tree. But they never tell people to change Trees. That in the end is what gives them away.

Monday 12 May 2014

More Shrewd

Luciferians as Jesus said " are more shrewd than the sons of the Kingdom" The Skull and Bones society refers to Golgotha and it isn't pleasant. They believe totally in mind control. This is documented in films such as the Manchurian Candidate. People who you know have double lives. Jerry Lee lewis is one of the best mind control programmers of all time. While Richard Dawkins is busy telling the world his secular gospel and being financed by men to do so, in actual fact both the miltary and other coverts are deliberately and knowingly demonising people by first shattering their personalities, then seeking to invite demons to take over parts of their personality. It matters little whether the controller is CIA and calls them Djinn (the North African term) or whether they wheel in top Grand Dames of witchcraft, or whether others refer to them by the modern name of interdimensional beings . This same procedure is happening to many many entertainers and singers like Beyonce, who refers to the entity that now takes her over on stage.
The study of the mind was never the amoral(neither good nor bad) science we were told...always a part of what was going on in the precursors to Freud in the Austraian 1800s police state, was mind control. It was Freud's nephew who through the first real rollout of mindcontrol over nations, sold USA the entrance into the first world war which made his masters millions....who sold women that it was now acceptable to smoke in public (1928) and made more millions. Then sold the use of fluoride into water and toothpaste, a. because the nuclear industry had oodles of it to lose and b. because Hitler had already made use of it extensively as a pacifier in concentration camps.
TV and news, largely owned by a few through many many fronts, are now the primary vehicle of mind control. Today, the reason you don't believe in Jesus and the Bible isn't, as you would expect for 4 billion random reasons...but because of about 20 choice (and seemingly random reasons) that you were taught to think and you parrot forth from schooling , media and education, and most are downright lies, and some are what Jesus said would happen anyway. See what He said would happen to the Kingdom field in His parable of the good farmer and the wicked enemy.
Every thirty years or so the Elite finance huge programmes to discredit the Bible. I first got wind of this through Bonhoeffer's diaries in his biography when he was in the States. All the components of each rollout are there.
Rockefeller paid for a Cathedral to instal "his modernist rubbisher of the supernatural" Harry Fosdick to preach in. He then got it publicised through his own Freemason stooge and agent the editor of Time magazine Henry Luce.
This is always publicly presented as if it had authority. Like it was some great new discovery and done deliberately to destroy all fundamentalist belief in Holy Spirit inspiration. Similar programmes such as the hijacking of the Dead Sea Scrolls (which had some phenomenal confirmations of the truths surrounding Bible truths), the Jesus seminar in the 80s which carried off english Christian leaders George Tarleton and Maurice Smith.
Christians believe the media but they don't know they are owned and run by out and out Luciferians presenting their stuff as "secular authority". This is the nature of all three items mentioned in the protocols of Zion as "good work". The commissioning or massive hyping of Nietzsche, Marx and Darwin. Marx never even believed in Communism...not for himself...just to enslave all others. (Read Marx and Satan by Wurmbrand, who himself was a victim of communist prison).

Sunday 11 May 2014

Living Beyond Your means By John Edwards

Many reading this will see the negative side of living beyond your means, not having a budget, overspending, living according to what’s in your pocket etc. But that is not what I mean today. God in another sense wants us to live beyond our means…
See, we have power to do many things, power to create wealth, power to keep ourselves fit mentally physically and spiritually etc. BUT…..Often we find ourselves with our backs against the wall, unable to find a way out, Like Peter in Acts 12 we find ourselves locked within the inner sanctum of our jailer, the enemy of our souls. Peter was powerless to stop Herod from killing him the next morning, so he lived according to the reality of the Kingdom of God and didn’t get moved by what he saw and touched or experienced. What happened? Well, an angel came and set him free, that’s what happened, it was beyond Peter’s means. By worship and rest Peter entered the reality of the Kingdom of God.
I have experienced miraculous provision, definitely beyond my means, to serve God to reach the lost. This has happened to me hundreds of times, I have experienced peace during times of grief, that too is beyond my means. I’ve experienced healing when I was sick etc etc.
I remember one time when in bible college, my friends and I had no money whatsoever to pay bills, buy food, get books etc, we all (10 of us) met together and declared to God that what was within our means was not sufficient to see us through. We prayed for ages for God’s provision for us all and declared the Word over our situation. The very next day I was in the college when the head teacher came to me and gave me an envelope, I threw it in my bag thinking it was just a form for an exam or something like that. Later that afternoon I remembered the envelope and I opened it, there was a gift cheque in a blue plastic folder, the cheque was for £726.38 pence or some strange figure like that, it was 25 years ago so it was a LOT of money then…I picked up the cheque, ran to my friends to tell them and to share it with them for we were all broke, to my surprise every one of the ten of us that prayed the night before had received a cheque for the same amount, written on the inside page of each gift cheque was a scripture about God’s provision. There was an initial on the cheque, to this day we don’t know who provided it.
God was teaching me that to live beyond our means we have to pray without ceasing, worship always and not give up till we receive what we pray for. Folks some of you are not turning to prayer when you should, you are turning to despair, to antidepressants, to poor me to drink, drugs etc.
Turn to God my friends, live beyond your means and enter into the reality of living in the Kingdom of God.
Love you and praying for you all.

So...errr Jesus...howddya do that thing with the fig tree?

All of us would ask Jesus the same as the disciples....How do you get to do that stuff? how do you get faith? He answered in a two or three package story...kind of 1 John 2...1st stage to third stage...but his version was about slaves/servants. NOW this is interesting because NOTHING is said about the Holy Spirit which is what us charismatics would say. Nope....FIRST SCENE. Out working in the elements in the field. Very unspectacular. Lots of raw service. At the end of the day you are tired. Is that taken into consideration? NOPE. You then serve the Master until He (personally) is satisfied. At table. With food. The charismatic realm is in the HOUSE. The three years the disciples undertook with Jesus were both realms. Or perhaps some of their "field" experience was before even meeting Jesus having to find food or fish for the family...or whatever each disciple was used to doing. In Acts 2 people came to the Lord and were filled with the Spirit in one day, similar to many of us since the 70s. So what's the difference? Between Acts 2 and today? The disciples had been through "the WAY". They were now apostles able to show others how it works.
Luke17:5 One day the apostles said to the Lord, “We need more faith; tell us how to get it.”
6 “If your faith were only the size of a mustard seed,” Jesus answered, “it would be large enough to uproot that mulberry tree over there and send it hurtling into the sea! Your command would bring immediate results! 7-9 When a servant comes in from plowing or taking care of sheep, he doesn’t just sit down and eat, but first prepares his master’s meal and serves him his supper before he eats his own. And he is not even thanked, for he is merely doing what he is supposed to do. 10 Just so, if you merely obey me, you should not consider yourselves worthy of praise. For you have simply done your duty!” Living Bible

So here's the bombshell. Many of us were filled with the Spirit but we never had people who had been through the WAY long enough to adequately show us how it worked. Many "charismatics" just haven't spent long enough in the "field". Both the field then the house are where we learn Lordship. Christ is Lord. What He says goes. When He is satisfied..... this is not the same as works...because if you look at the disciples it was all in the context of relationship not church organisational structure. You are my friends if you do what I say...(however it seems)...said Jesus
If we don't do "the field" whatever form that takes, we get confused in the glory of the HOUSE. We forget that it is nothing to do with feelings. (Although they are there). Nothing to do with us. We are not the ones eating. We are serving.
There is a heavenly knife that slices away the central concern with ME, with MY life,with How it is for ME....We can't do it. We are not asked to do it. But we are asked to follow Jesus in the WAY. And out in the field, and then dead tired, in the HOUSE is where this knife is secretly and silently applied....and soon, others are aware too that that massive " I " sash that stuck out proudly from our chest and actually was on our very breath in everything we did....has been cut to smithereens. The activation of Jesus faith in us is extremely natural....there is a lot of the second mile snuck in there. Sometimes all our religious stuff has nothing to do with the Way...that is Jesus Himself. We get frustrated because we are getting nowhere....and Jesus gets frustrated because we are not doing the simple things He has communicated to our hearts.

Thursday 8 May 2014

The Symbiotic Buy-In that has given away power

It's very important to understand how pyramids and symbiotic codependent relationships work. They are a killer combination. Literally.
If we could see power and yielded power it would be a lot more helpful, but we can't. If we could, the pyramids would look like something contained, I dunno, a goldfish bowl. It's because they are not visible that elites at the tops of pyramids are not seen as such. I mean, as we walk around a shopping centre we assume everyone is pretty much as we are. Let's take an extreme example. I tune pianos for many exclusive Plymouth Brethren who still have pianos!!! They look ordinary. they are part of the modern world. Because they support themselves as do other family-based cultures, their businesses and earnings are very good. But as you speak to them you realise they draw everything from certain (what others would term) cult leaders, elders,overseers,apostles. Everything they do is within this framework. I as a Christian can speak under an extreme anointing the most incredible Bible truths, but mostly, these brethren people will hear nothing but words, nothing that is for them, because it doesn't come down through the correct pyramid. This is annoyingly still so among looser Christian groups like New Frontiers, Salt and Light, Vineyard, and perhaps now Bill Johnson. But it is true to some extent of all of us. It is just we are all unaware that a handful of men and their dynasties own most of the power pyramids which affect our daily lives. We ARE the Israelites in Egypt but we don't see the Pharoah any more. The Book of Daniel describes the last empire as iron mixed with clay, and the clay is extremely warm friendly and human. "Have a nice day" says the Elite bankers bankteller.
Surreal combination of a pyramid and goldfishbowl
Daniel Yordy describes Genesis 3 in a very insightful way. He says it is a mutual exchange which we, Man, whole heartedly continue to buy into. Plain symbiosis. Plain Codependency within a family or the relationship a couple have is dangerous enough. But giving over our power in an endless heirarchical pyramid is soooo dangerous, history from Babel onwards right down to the Monopolies and Mergers Commission, with 18th century mutual societies and co-op banking in between has been ever the same story repeated.
I don't know if it's possible to create a culture that disciplines itself to at least hear "outside" the pyramid at least once or twice in their life. But surely that is the reason for this video. It is all the stuff people haven't told you about how we got to where we are. These are excerpts that contain the main material so you don't have to wade through 2 years worth of material on the internet!!!!


Wednesday 7 May 2014

As you received Christ as Lord.soooooo.....

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As you received Christ as Lord so walk in Him.How did you receive Christ as Lord?
You gave up. You got desperate. Your innards cried out...Help!
So how do you think your Christian life will go on then?
All a missionary Lainee Waterfield will tell someone who gets put in lots more desperate situations of being rendered helpless unless God move.
This is the work of God that you believe in Me/believe on Me says Jesus.
We believe ON Jesus when everything else in the life raft has inconveniently slipped off the raft into the water. Only Jesus left.
So how does prosperity, or blessing work? We see, read or hear the Word direct or preached...we take it inwardly saying YES...then very often the opposite happens. Then comes the "fun". Do we continue, looking like madmen, confessing and hanging in there with nothing but Word...or do we harden our hearts?
Faith gives God permission to construct a story...His Story out of our lives.
In heaven Jesus said YES to the Father.
Here's how it looked on earth. This is His prosperity and favour gospel in action.
There was no room for Him to be born. As King there were none but shepherds to welcome Him. Any well to do magi that did turn up weren't even from Israel.
His own King arranged to murder Him. His parents fled in the nick of time to Egypt.
Eventually He grew up in a plain old town called Nazareth nowhere near a palace.
His Father did speak Words over him, and He did get baptised in the Spirit...but then so do we today!! He tries preaching in the official religious places . Most if not all will not allow it for long. His own townspeople tried to push Him off a cliff. Loads of ordinary people followed Him until John 6 when He wanted to preach on some of His own "inner tricks" to living. Just about all went off, leaving His dedicated 12.
But at His death all 12 bar one, John, DID DESERT HIM. Apart from about 3, as He died, He had nothing left. But then ofcourse He rose.
But what I am saying the natural world of appearances He didn't have a lot to go on. People remember the miracles and think in charismatic Benny Hinn terms...but Jesus life just wasn't like that. Bits were. But Benny Hinn isn't how the christian life works either. Psalms 60-65 give you the sort of arc of David's life in the wilderness. OUTWARDLY to begin with the "prosperity/favour message" looks and appears quite different to what is actually going on in the Spirit.
Only those who see in the Spirit...AND NOT ALL OF THEM EITHER...will ever understand what is happening to you. All others see blackness. Get worried about you. Or worse. In Emsworth things got so bad the only thing I could think of doing is fasting for some 23 days or so. God broke through. I later learned to articulate the breakthrough by reading Norman Grubb. But nobody in Emsworth could see the breakthrough. Then God met me on a hill in a car above Llanfairfechan. But in Emsworth things got worse as I "appeared" to go off the wall. In the Spirit I was just following the Holy Spirit...and then I got chucked out. In the land of "appearances" all others assumed it was all the same sin problems. Nope. Not at all.
One leaders wife called Sally saw it in a dream. So as the other leaders were counselled together against me (Song of Solomon 5 type stuff) she saw that all that was happening was I had stepped out of the charismatic swimming pool and was beginning to walk around, which is an accurate picture of the difference between secondlevel and thirdlevel Christianity. David Swan also describes all the differences in his book "Holy of Holies."
All the things Jesus WALKED on earth in the invisible REALM...we shall see manifest. But His personal story is a bigger arc. He shall be seen to be KING OF KINGS and LORD OF LORDS. He will be manifest as the ALL IN ALL....But there is one HUGE development nobody has accounted for...either Jew, Anglican, Muslim or Catholic.
What way?
The Isaiah 53 WAY
Indeed, who would ever believe it?
Who would possibly accept what we’ve been told?[a]
Who has witnessed the awesome power and plan of the Eternal in action?[b]
2 Out of emptiness he came, like a tender shoot from rock-hard ground.
He didn’t look like anything or anyone of consequence—
he had no physical beauty to attract our attention.
3 So he was despised and forsaken by men,
this man of suffering, grief’s patient friend.
As if he was a person to avoid, we looked the other way;
he was despised, forsaken, and we took no notice of him. (VOICE)

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Sunday 4 May 2014

Elaine shares live with Chris about living in rural Kenya for 2 years bringing the gospel

Elaine is currently back in the UK. She stayed with us this weekend and I filmed her as she shared on my little Huawei Acer 200 mobile about the last 2 years as a missionary in rural Kenya in a very poor area.

For more about Elaine see more in the index below.

Friday 2 May 2014

Bosham Inn is now refurbished

Bosham Inn is one of the places where I work.
This is a sneak preview using mobile phone pics. This is not a commercial video, I have put this up to give readers an idea of life over here, local landmarks, and if you care for a visit to the area please feel free to visit Bosham Inn.

Music by Auratones. Thijs Van Leer (Focus) and his daughter
meet up with Auratones in The Adventure Continues track House of the King excerpt.

Mitchell and Butler plc do not necessarily share the views of this blog.'ll put a spring in your step