In One Sentence.......errrrm

My friend Paul asked me if I could say in one sentence what the difference was with what I am calling thirdlevel Christianity?
by Chris Welch Facebook Note on Wednesday, 09 March 2011 at 18:50.

Yes and No. I came up with 2 words...which was better than a sentence. But then took a whole page to explain them. Rich Novek has just done a post on Normal Christianity as per Watchman Nee

http://www.facebook.com/notes/rich-novek/the-normal-christian-life-part-i/10150426405615167

You see, in the Bible and in the Spirit there is only one type of Christian Life. It is lived by Christ in us, and He sees to it that it comes to pass. All we have to do is learn about what has already long ago been accomplished on our behalf and believe it. It's just that on earth right now are churches at all sorts of stages of believing fragments of this gospel, and attaching other things that just simply are not anything to do with it at all. Do we study all the abberrations or do we just return to the template?

Then there are the growth levels of 1 John 2. And this is how I refer to church types as well. The end destination. None of us begin at the end destination, but it's kind of easier if you know where your church is heading to, like the direction sign on your bus. I am in Havant area. I can catch a bus to Guildford,London or say York. If I want a bus to York I have to go to London and change there. And we can always change churches en route too. But how confusing it would be if I picked a bus that said York in the North, but actually it was only going to Guildford. And this is how it is with churches. They all have grandiose signboards, but the believing in the churches is quite different. Charismatic churches which I call secondlevel have this annoying habit of making out they will get you to maturity, yet 50 years of tithing later, you are not in ministry, you don't know how to minister, and you are a tongue talking pew-sitter, and no one even asks why. Evangelical churches , I call them 1stlevel churches have great Word content, and because of this you actually get a certain proportion that actually believe the stuff, and reach an incredible maturity, it's just that rudely shoving the working of the Holy Spirit out of their meetings, everything takes decades and decades, if it ever happens at all.

read more here: http://080808onnowto.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-must-we-doggedly-stick-with-this_05.html

Here is my reply to Paul

1st/2ndLevel v 3rd level

I can do better than a sentence Paul. One word. Separation.

Or two words

Separation for the first two, union for the third level.

For ages loads of us were racking our brains trying to work out why Richard Wurmbrand could say "could I have a cuppa tea?", and we'd feel blessed, and some of our UK ministries could preach at great length and it left us flat.What's the difference?

Wurmbrand is an extreme case....look what he'd been through in Communist jails? But really it all boiled down to him believing his new identity no matter what was thrown at him. He was so fixed in that new identity , he had real authority in Christ. Any verse he shared it was as though he'd just written it.

We come to Christ believing wholeheartedly in the "separated gospel" of the Devil. We believe that we have separate godlike existences to God. It is also why we feel the alienation all existentialists write about. The truth we can't accept early on in our Christian lives, because separation is such a gorgeous thing to us....is that the "bad feelings" we feel, the depressions, the bleakness, are all the junk the devil wanders round with continuously. Since the Fall he has made us "children of wrath" like him , by virtue of this baloney "separation " existence. When after a long stint of Romans 7 activity in our life, we suddenly realise......hey hold on....all this isn't me.....I'm just a vessel ,a container.....it's "Sin in me". In our desperation our innards cry.....who can set me free from this law of sin and death?

Oh ....you did already....Thanks be to God through Christ Jesus etc etc


It's a blessed relief when we realise we actually are OK. Provided we're not hooked on living in separation ever again. And each time we try....zoom....some bad fruit of the fall slips out again.

Without fail an atheist is totally pseuded out by the devil on the condition of man. Because an atheist only sees separation....cos he sees no God....he naively ascribes every wrongdoing, every sin to man alone and

in many an atheist's words

Nietzsche, Stalin, Mao.......Man is crap

No, man is glorious. It's his "separation theology" he learned in Genesis 3 that is crap, and by virtue of marriage to a false usurping spirit, begets children , or sins, that are hideous. But at no point is the container itself hideous. It was declared "very good" in the Garden

1st and secondlevel churches preach law. Trying harder. Doing more Bible stuff. 2ndlevel churches like ours, when they are not preaching, but are being open to the Spirit, are actually already a good deal further on......until they start preaching again. The moment the conscious "following the Spirit" stops, perhaps when the music does everyone returns to their "gospel of separation".

3rd level churches ( and I've never been in one) don't seem to care so much about "getting into the presence of God"....because they live there. They live from that conscious union of their new identity in Christ. But I guess when they do worship it's like David taking the Ark back to Jerusalem, because everyone "has a testimony" by this point. It's one thing to know you're sins are covered.....it's quite another to know that your whole innard's bias towards sin has had such a blasting, you are now just occupied with being Christ in your form, and learning how it works. Obviously, like Corrie Ten Boom, Watchman Nee,Witness Lee, Dietrich Bonhoeffer , Richard Wurmbrand,Ed Miller,Norman Grubb you want everyone you meet to know the same victory. I mean why would you bother with anything else?

The whole irony is that when the real gospel is preached in the Spirit, it sounds like another gospel. That's because the one we've heard in our churches is a dead letter version of the New Testament. It has no Spirit and Life in it. It's like Paul describing the Jewish synagogues......"every time the Law is read a veil covers their mind".

Spirit preachers have such spiritual warfare just to read out passages of the Bible in most churches. People's capacity to hear the real Word is so small. It is increased by breakthrough in worship, so if there is a thirdleveller around you can almost see them jockeying for position to make use of the Spirit opening while the going is good. In an early conference a guy Daniel Yordy and I know called Eldred Linden dived into preach at such a point, but he had the discernment to refuse the translation offered into Spanish. Even though his Spanish was worse, he knew that if he let a 2ndleveller translate for him, they'd literally translate everything he said back down to 2ndlevel format....the format of separation. Jorge Pradas muttered once about Eldred that he preached a different gospel. Jorge was learning very fast, but at that time he was still completely into separation still. Actually Eldred preached word for word what the Bible actually says. We re-translate everything back down to "separation" format. About modifying our behaviour, struggling with this, old man that. Virtually no time is left for simply believing what the Bible actually says about us



Just as this was what was radical about Andrew Wommak when he taught on healing, I believe Andrew now teaches grace properly in the same way.....preaching those Bible verses we get so rarely in Havant. Or up until now anyway.

Hopefully that's given some idea of the 2 words Separation and Union. So the words were shorter, but the explanation longer!!!

Chris

Comment by Daniel Yordy on FB

Interesting concept - explain the third level (feast) in one sentence. That's the kind of challenge I like. Yet it's an exercise that we can try more than one set of words to accomplish.

Here is one attempt, I found this sentence in somethin...g I started writing recently, but did not finish.

"From 1978 until this day, the revelation of Jesus Christ, me, Daniel Yordy, personally being included in the manifestation of the sons of God, the Lord Jesus Christ revealed fully in me without limitation and beyond all measure, right here upon this earth in this life and in this age, has not left off its mighty grip upon my heart."

The third level is the fullness of Christ revealed without measure in us right now upon this earth. There is a simple dividing line. Most Christians believe that it can't be, that the fullness of Christ must wait until "heaven." That unbelief blocks their hearts and dulls their minds. Once a person believes for all the fullness of Christ, including victory over death, for us right here, right now, then the heavens are opened, and that person can begin to see all that God speaks.

That dividing line of believing is the primary difference in the anointing that comes upon a word such as Chris described with Eldred Lindon.

Boiled down to a simple equation. Do you believe that God fulfills all that He speaks in us right here right now? Or not? There is only one simple difference between the manifested sons of God moving in all authority upon this earth, and us. They believe what God says and we do not.See more
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Richard Wurmbrand
by Stewart Henderson

i only met him once
his long body
curved and delicate
like a well sucked wishbone

and behind his eyes
the memories of countless nights

manacled to the nightmares of Satan
his ears besieged by devilish anthems

declaring that his Christ was dead

And now every movement
magnifying the taut weariness

of a prisoner of war
a walking twig
a victim of the fight
between heaven and hell

his body like the Messiah's

so gladly given to torture

for the sake of strange mystical things

like resurrection and kneeling with angels

to sing the joyous symphonies of paradise

I only met him once

and I walked away and wept

from http://www.releaseinternational.org/ reg.charity 280577 PO Box 54,Orpington BR5 9RT

01689 823491

'My dear brothers and sisters in the West,
I, in my solitary cell, in the grip of tuberculosis which
invaded my whole body, sit with the angels as in a theatre and watch everything that is happening, that has happened, and is yet to happen.
God abides in me. If He abides in me, He brings with Him all His responsibilities. They become mine... If God lives in me and you, it depends on us whether beauty will conquer, or whether mankind will deteriorate more
and more.
If God the Father and Jesus Christ abide in a Christian, it becomes his task to change the perverted, the immoral, the obsessed, the ambitious, the robbers; to transform a neurotic world into a world full of serenity.
...Jesus said that the second commandment, to love your neighbour, is like the first, to love God. If you love us, the oppressed Christians in the Red camp, you love God, because God is within us, in cell eleven, and twelve, and thirteen, and in the cell with the rats and in the cell reserved for tortures.
I cannot tell you what to do for us... Our Bibles have been confiscated. Our families eat garbage. I don't know how you can reach them. But you are the abode of the almighty and omniscient God. He must know.

Wurmbrand

by Chris Welch

The fifty or so carrion Christians

hunched round Baptist arcs and curves

one expectant evening Sunday meeting

tucked compulsorily 100 Conformist metres or so

from the main London Oxford thoroughfare,

a stone's throw from what would be THE Crown,

The Four weddings and a Funeral pub.

Carrion Christians,

gathered then

for rich Communist pickings of

suffering, endurance,

as Red atheist twisted ideology grasps

for life like an outstretched arm

from its own self-burial of heartless dogma,

grasping yes at the last vestiges of sainted resurrection

to be sucked from innocent lives,

Christians,writers,artists,daring outspoken reformers....

He stood there, this Wurmbrand,

already tall, now towering in the Baptist pulpit.

Silent. But then fixing us with his eyes.......

******
We knew evangelically

evangelistically

that you asked Jesus in. You sang songs.You heard sermons.

About a future time, after death.

A firm resounding symphonic hope exploding in

organ firework splendour of hymns sung so heartily..

muffling deeper questions of what now? what here?

what in my family, what in my town?.........

Have you ever seen lightning strike?

Have you watched

time cease to be?
Have you seen life fork violently left from

a determined expected course?

********

Richard Wurmbrand straightened,

then beamed with a light I have seen only a handful of times.

A light that divides all that you ever believed or knew or thought you knew.

A light that shipwrecks self-determinism. For in this light was

what you would call now a "burning wormhole" straight through

to what had almost been glorious theory, but now was actual and visible -

the THRONE of a LIVING GOD.

A KINGDOM more than hoped for,

but here, now,

a safe 100 metre distance from the high street where Tesco now stands.

God has said I am no more to talk about Communist prisons, he smiled...

I am here to tell you about Romans 8 !

Carrion,

startled now, with softer frame,

ingest perhaps the first real food of their lives,

their first real chance of an eagle life of their own,

gazing through a fiery wormhole,

a Wurmbrand.

Richard Wurmbrandt - Centenary of his birth

Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body.—Hebrews 13:3
The founder of the Voice of the Martyrs, Pastor Richard Wurmbrand, loved people. He and his wife, Sabina, had a great passion to lead others to Christ. As this month marks the 100th anniversary of his birth (he passed to glory in 2001), I thought I would relate some unpublished moments of his life.
We have written about his courage as he stood alone among more than 1,000 leaders to denounce the control of Romanian communism. The communists had closed Sunday schools and oppressed the church. Pastor Wurmbrand resisted the communists’ control of the church and went underground. He held services for youth attending his church in front of the lion’s den at the Bucharest Zoo to prepare them for battle with the world. Pastor Wurmbrand led his little Lutheran congregation, composed of many Jewish converts, to the Bucharest train station to toss Russian Gospels into the windows of passing trains filled with invading Russian soldiers. The soldiers kept the Gospels. For many such acts of aggressive love, he and his wife both went to prison.
When Richard and Sabina began the work of VOM in October 1967 in America, some might think they would have been changed by living in an open, wealthy nation where everything could come easy for famous, gifted people. But their love, their burden — whether for helping those persecuted abroad or right next door — remained the same. I know. My wife, Ofelia, and I lived in a duplex with them for seven years.
Pastor Wurmbrand woke up early in the morning with long lists of names of people. One by one, he would pray for them. He and Sabina fasted one day a week.
One night through the wall of our duplex, we heard a great crash. Richard, now in his 70s, had fallen on the bathroom floor and fractured his skull. The next morning I was in his hospital room. He began to pull on his clothes to leave. The frantic nurses came in to tell him he could not get up. He said, “How can I sit in bed with only a little pain in my head when I am supposed to speak in Berlin where the people suffer much more than I do?” At the time, Berlin, Germany, was a walled-off city surrounded by the East German communist military. He flew to Germany.
After coming to America, Pastor Wurmbrand never owned a house or a car. Being older, he took driving lessons but was kindly told by the instructor that it would be better to save his money. On one of their trips flying overseas, he and Sabina would approach an airline counter with about 12 suitcases of clothes they had purchased at a used clothing store, clothes to be carried into communist Eastern Europe for persecuted Christians. The stunned airline agents crumbled under their heartfelt appeal and let them take the clothes.
When Richard and Sabina passed from earth, the house they lived in was sold and the funds used for international ministry. They had moved to an eternal house.
After Pastor Wurmbrand’s funeral, his son, Michael Wurmbrand, took us to a special dinner. I sat next to a young woman who told me her story. She had worked for a florist and delivered flowers to Richard and Sabina’s home in Southern California. Sabina graciously invited her inside. Richard told her an old story of the Emperor of Japan who visited a garden to see only one flower, a very special flower. Then Pastor Wurmbrand looked at her and said, “And you are God’s special flower. This is why you came today. God loves you. You are special to Him.” She came to Christ. Her life was changed forever.
Whether he was speaking to his torturer in a Romanian prison or to a flower delivery girl in America, Pastor Wurmbrand knew that our highest calling is to be witnesses of the love and grace of God. Happy birthday up there, Pastor.
—Tom White, Executive DirectorThe Voice of the Martyrs—USA
reproduced from http://rw100.persecution.com/ (via Nancy Gilmore)

The End Times and Christ in us Part 1

This is a two parter - I think. (And for your homework!) in Part One I would like you to read an End Times article by David Hathaway from his most recent Prophetic Vision magazine.It maybe the Americans can skip this bit, because if any nation of Christians is "End-timed out" it's the USA. The Brits however don't even know the Bible talks about such things. All our traditional churches have cleverly erased these parts from their schematics. This again , is not true in Norway, and perhaps of all the European nations they have defined themselves by being anti EU, because for them it is the return of the Roman Empire. Now I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but those who are unfamiliar with such things...read on from here:

'Conspiracy theory' is not new. The whole world has been in a power strug­gle since the devil first tempted Eve to disobey God. 'Evil imaginations continu­ally' (Genesis 6:5), the rise and fall of kingdoms and empires, are the stuff of Bible and world history.
Bible prophecy will be fulfilled. Our prayers and our witness cannot change prophecy, but can change the part indi­vidual nations and persons may play.
Revelation 13 speaks of the 'dragon' who gives his power to three 'beasts', to con­trol every tribe and people and tongue and nation, everyone whose name is not recorded in God's Book of Life. That is why we, as believers, have such a vital task - to preach the Gospel of God's Kingdom! Three spheres of human life are involved in Satan's plan - politics, reli­gion and finance - the final control not being in the hands of the politicians or religious leaders, but the world financiers - 'no one will be able to buy or sell with­out the mark, the name or the number of the beast' - Revelation 13:17.The Freemasons and later the Illuminati, have long been considered key players in this end-game. The Rev Charles Finney, a great 19th century American evangelist, was a mason before his con­version. What he knew of the higher lev­els of that organisation fuelled his zeal to proclaim the simple Gospel of the lord­ship of Jesus Christ throughout the world. Dr Torrey and the Rev DL Moody, also leading evangelists, joined him in denouncing freemasonry. What was wrong? Albert Pike, freemason and leader of the Illuminati in the USA, wrote in 1889: 'LUCIFER, God of light and God of good is struggling for humanity against ADONAI, the God of darkness and evil ...

The world will come to US for its sover­eigns and pontiffs. WE shall constitute the equilibrium of the world and be RULERS OVER THE MASTERS OF THE WORLD.' [But in reality Lucifer is the devil himself, whilst Adonai is the God of the Bible and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and it is Christ who is to rule the world. This is why for the mason, black is white and white is black - the chequered black and white decor is a very symbolic motif in masonic lodges. - Editor]
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Only a few years after their formation, the Illuminati were the power behind the1789-94 French Revolution and the 'reign of terror', that threatened to topple the whole of Europe. (Britain was only saved from revolution by the preaching of the Wesley Brothers and others, turning the nation back to God.) Fifty years later, in 1847, the Illuminati formed the Communist League and commissioned Marx to write the 1848 Communist Manifesto. NB. Richard Wurmbrandt's book Marx and Satan - see my book list - goes into more detail about how Marx began as a Christian. He then completely dedicated himself to the devil and describes various experiences. All this happened before he wrote Das Kapital. Marxism, from these very roots, was never spiritually neutral. It was the Illuminati who financed Lenin's October Revolution in 1917 that threatened to sweep theEvery time there is a world crisis, some­one publicly speaks of 'new world order' and 'one world government'. Prime Minister Gordon Brown did just this when he delivered a televised speech to British Industry (CBI) on 20 May this year. He indi­cated with approval in his voice, that the world financial crisis and climate change together have precipitated the world fur­ther in this direction, faster than he had dared hope. His official website published a transcript: 'We are now going to have to deal with bigger problems than the global economy... A low-carbon econo­my is in the interests of the whole world. But we will have to develop a level of international cooperation to deal with these problems, that is unprecedented and has now to be achieved far more quickly than I could have thought possi­ble a few months ago.'

Money is key. Two centuries ago, the founder of the great Rothschild banking empire said: 'Give me control over a nation's economy, and I care not who writes its laws.' Throughout the 19th cen­tury, the International Bankers gained control of central banks in most European nations - any 'nationalisation' is cosmetic. In America the International (European) Bankers used the massive debts of the American civil war to take control: Congress was forced to pass the National Banking Act in 1863 of which Abraham Lincoln warned, "The Money Power preys upon the nation in times of peace and adversity... / see a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption will fol­low ... until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the republic is destroyed."

The American Federal Reserve system, founded in 1913, is not a government controlled bank, but yet another central bank in private hands. Charles Lindberg Snr fought the Federal Reserve Act say­ing, "When the President signs this bill the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... the worst leg­islative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill."
Where has all this led, where is it lead­ing? The enormous debt being created in the US is so devaluing the US dollar (which is the world's reserve currency), that China, probably the world's richest nation, and holding vast amounts of US dollars, has joined with other nations, including Russia, to propose a new dol­lar, a new euro and a third asian curren­cy. - Or even finally, the establishment of a new single world reserve currency to replace the US dollar - probably by cre­ating a new world bank out of the International Monetary Fund. This could easily lead to the situation where no one would be allowed to change the 'old money' for the new, or indeed, buy or sell without a chip in hand or forehead, potentially leading to the mark of the beast, Rev 13:16-18.
Existing empires, which are becoming stronger, would all be controlled by the Illuminati. The Club of Rome, founded in 1968, has already divided the world into ten political/economic regions (Daniel 2:41-43, Rev 17:12?!) known as 'king­doms'. These are: North America, Europe, Japan, Australia, Russia, South America, North Africa and the Middle East including Israel, Central and Southern Africa, India and Malaysia, and China. But history has proved, the Illuminati will use war, as also debt mountains, to accomplish their ultimate purpose - which is world domination, which will only be prevented by the Return of Christ!
For 200 years the Illuminati have been steadily gaining control of nations, put­ting Satan/Lucifer's programme into effect; through the infiltration and cre­ation of influential bodies; by financing wars and uprisings, then rebuilding these same war-stricken lands (Europe, Ireland, the Middle East); also through the artifi­cial control of essential commodities (do you remember the unforeseen price hike in basic foods - rice and flour - at the beginning of 2008? - and energy price hikes); through the control of finance (eg the withdrawal of normal, short-term credit and the domino collapse of busi­nesses); - all part of the crisis route to one world government.
Will it take a further financial collapse or World War III, a Middle East conflict, to finally compel a trembling world to accept world government - under the Antichrist?
World destabilisation brings FEAR and anxiety into the hearts and minds of ordi­nary people; a genuine longing for world peace makes many willing to let go of their own convictions and to regard the values of others as equal. One
weapon in the hands of the devil and of those who represent him will be worldwide worship of the beast -Revelation 13:8. Many agree with the words of the Dalai Lama: 'The core of all religions is the same.' But the Bible warns that if you do not receive the truth about your salvation, you will instead receive
a strong delusion and, like the
Dalai Lama, believe a lie! - 2
Thess 2:10-11.
But just as there will be a 'mark of the beast' for those who adhere to this world's system, there is a mark of faith con­ferred by Christ, the deposit of the Holy Spirit in you, guar­anteeing your inheritance in Christ - Eph 1:13-14. If you believe, you cannot, you will not let Him go! He is your only hope, now under this world's corrupt system, and for eternity. We should not be afraid! We can safely put our trust in Him, because God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life! - John 3:16. That word 'perish' has an altogether more relevant meaning not just for eternity, but for the very days in which we are living now!

Jesus is coming anytime now! The real ministry of believers is not to form 'social, self congratulatory clubs', but to prepare themselves and the world for Him. Believers on earth are the body of Christ - we are inheritors of His power and authority. We are empowered by His Spirit who raised Him from the dead! We are not only able, but commanded, to do what Jesus did on earth, to fulfil the 'follow-up' ministry to His earthly ministry. Our job is the preparation for His return and for His world government!
Everything which is happening in the spiritual time-scale today, now, is in preparation for the Second Coming of
Jesus. If we believe Christ is coming, we will prepare ourselves. But not by a passive 'spirituality', but by actively obeying His command to preach the Gospel, saving souls from hell fire!