"Get Involved or be subjugated" Facebook Thread with Jeff Moore

Jeff Moore
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It is obvious that the news distraction's the Obama organization is running are to hide the more sinister plans it has. Get involved or get subjugated. Your choice. Do your really think Zika virus was ever a threat? Who killed Ted Bundy? Do you think men in womens restroom is a threat? Who is killing the cancer doctors? Get your facts straight the media is bought and controlled by the Obama admin and the NWO. Your lives and wealth have already been cut in half because of the planned first economic failure. The second is coming what are you going to do but be sheep to the Government Mafia you created. God help us now!
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Sylvia Dunn Mobley
Sylvia Dunn Mobley SELAH. YES, FATHER. heart emoticon
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Saji Joseph
Saji Joseph I'm not fully sure I believe that getting involved necessarily keeps us from being subjugated.
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Jeff Moore
Jeff Moore Saji Joseph - The Republic needs help. We all can pray nad do what God shows us to do. Surely sitting down will lead to ruin.
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Fran E. Vestal
Fran E. Vestal Read Bonhoeffer saja
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Fran E. Vestal
Fran E. Vestal So Jeff can you vote are you still Canadian I do love what you wrote is very thorough
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Saji Joseph
Saji Joseph I have read Bonhoeffer. He was involved and subjugated. I didn't say we shouldn't get involved or pray, but that doesn't keep us from being subjugated.
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Fran E. Vestal
Fran E. Vestal He took a stand and lost his life
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Saji Joseph
Saji Joseph I deeply respect him and and believe his taking a stand was a good thing.I think maybe my post came across as someone who is waiting for everything to go to Ruin and then we must endure that bad place. I believe we should take a stand against evil. I really just have a hard time with the idea that scripture teaches us to rally around political issues. I don't see the early apostles standing in front of Rome asking it to change its political ways.. And how if they don't it's all going to pot. They just preached Christ.
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Fran E. Vestal
Fran E. Vestal Saji Joseph I'm wondering if the scripture say that so much or how we're taught. In my opinion religion teaches us to be passive sheep the only people doing anything saying anything are n the pulpit I don't think that's biblical. Remember after the cross was house-to-house no platform. Background came against them was to scatter them and carry the gospel and not to be just in Jerusalem. So there was a purpose in the chaos. I do not see u.s. as that
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John McDonald
John McDonald BUT sheep are not stupid.
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Saji Joseph
Saji Joseph I guess I have a different reading on what should be pressing on the believer's mind. I am not a part of any religious structure, and have been a part of "house church no platform" since my salvation in Christ. I do not believe Christ calls us to be passive sheep about the kingdom, but He was an example to His disciple when He allowed Himself to be subjugated to the hands of men. He did not allow it until the proper time by telling them that they cannot follow Him yet but will eventually. To me that was a teaching and example of dark conspiracy happening between religious leaders and government to take down Jesus. He was very aware of what was happening and then let it happen like a passive, silent sheep. He tells us this will happen all over the world but to not worry. I am very aware that the lies are there, I'm just not sure how much we are called to be about all this stuff.
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Jeff Moore
Jeff Moore I am Canadian. Saji Joseph - Look deeper. It is not an intellectual thing. It is reality my friend. Just shouting out for all who can hear. smile emoticon
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Saji Joseph
Saji Joseph I don't mean to squabble over things we may actually agree on. Maybe I am a bit hesitant to believe that the acknowledgement that there are sinister plans brings us any closer to seeing what those plans actually are and will keep us from being chained into those plans. I will follow Christ in the midst of adversity and hopefully in the midst of severe adversity.
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Jimmie Donald Lewis
Jimmie Donald Lewis Come on Jeff get real, focus on the Bible, trust in it, not the Government. Psalm 22:28.
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Toni Miles
Toni Miles First, I believe Jeff is getting "real" when he clearly said in his post, "it is reality my friend." Second, he focused on the Bible when he said, "we can pray and do what God shows us to do" (instructed by His word in the Bible) . Third, it is clear that he is trusting in God and not the government when in the last sentence of his original post he said, "God, help us now!" . . "The earth is the Lord's, the fullness thereof, the world and ALL those who dwell therein, " Psalm 24:1.
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Fran E. Vestal
Fran E. Vestal How long have we had prayer Ministries it's praying for our country 24/7? It's time for people to be involved it's time for people to speak become a town crier where you live
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Jeff Moore
Jeff Moore Yes Jimmie my friend I trust God. But for reasons that God has told me I must speak out. I must give people the chance to change the direction. The civil war was not because of lack of prayer but lack of action of faith. God is not an American. He is who He is. The Lord almighty. You think perhaps He will spare the USA? What and apologize to Africa? I agree we must keep our head in the clouds but common sense still tells me I will reap what I sow. That includes ignorance. I hate deception of any kind. Love you my friend Jimmie.
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Jimmie Donald Lewis
Jimmie Donald Lewis Their is a sin of ignorance in our Bible. But I know He does not want us to be ignorant any more. I to love you brother. O, there is no dough about reaping what we sow, that's been proven many time, and a lot of it in Ministry.
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Jimmie Donald Lewis
Jimmie Donald Lewis If you come to joyful sound in June, we will see you there.
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Jeff Moore
Jeff Moore I am planning to see you!!!! grin emoticon
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Jimmie Donald Lewis
Jimmie Donald Lewis Great, we'll see you there Brother.
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Chris Welch One of the mysteries of the gospel is as we preach against the bogus realm of the independent self we actually cross
ALL THE TRIP WIRES.

You can see the alarms being set off in increasing measure in the gospels by all that Jesus did and taught.
He led people in the Way of freedom which meant He was pulling them out of the Pyramid
He actively challenged all the high place speculations He came across.....all the circularities of thinking. A telltale sign was the way the religious slunk away.....because whatever they said would have incriminated them
And lastly His POWER was increasing, more resurrections from the dead. The Greater the supernatural the bigger the problem for Darkness, which relies on people feeling powerless. It simply cannot have people wandering around quoting Isaiah 61
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me because He has anointed me.....to set people free etc!!!!!

So I kind of agree with both sides. We are not called to set up a new and improved form of PYRAMID.....
But we are called to speak as the Spirit gives utterance against every form of Satanically controlled existence that refuses to yield to any Lordship of Christ.
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BREXIT OR EUINSIT? CLEAR EXPLANATIONS FROM OUTSIDE ROTHSCHILD'S BBC

As a Kingdom person I almost couldn't care HOW a country is managed. If Kings are like King David, then that's some worship base for a nation.If people want to be communist, then as long as it isn't atheistic Freemasonic communism like in Russia China and Cuba....well even that can work in God. Or how about Presidents? Well if they aren't Skull and Bones, they should be OK. Skull and Bones is the secret Satanic pact to create conditions for Armageddon...or Golgotha 2....or "the Place of the Skull"
God's actual order is the church....but as nobody can possibly imagine a church with thirdlevellers in....(think loads of Mother Teresas, Dietrich Bonhoeffer's ,Watchman Nees) I'll shut up about it, because everyone in the West has been brainwashed by
(Masonic) "separation of Church and State" purely because of the messed up massacre that is the Catholic Church.
Similarly the saints I have connected with
the Franke's in Germany
the Nugues in France,
real cool Finnish guys I met in Kenya,
wonderful Spanish Christians....
Please understand...the basic concept of a Rothschild free Europe appeals to me....
But as things stand here is the truth as the Brexit people see Europe
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What you should know:
The United Kingdom is the 5th most powerful economy,and trading nation in the World.
The UK occupies one of only 5 permanent seats on the UN Security Council.
The UK has the greatest military power within the EU.
The UK has a trade deficit with EU countries of £89 billion, £36 billion of which is with Germany alone. These countries need our business. They're not going to jeopardise that!
UK farmers will continue to receive their subsidies after Brexit, as they did before we joined the "Common Market".
Much is made of the 500 million potential customers in the EU, but within our Commonwealth of Nations established in 1949 consisting of 53 countries, the total population is 2.2 billion! And they mostly speak the international language
English! And we'll still trade with the EU.
There is no "status quo" if the UK stays in the EU. With a
constant flow of directives at the rate of almost 3000 every
year, our country will increasingly be absorbed into political,
monetary and legal EU control, to our considerable detriment.
The EU does not provide national safety - NATO does! The EU, at least in part is responsible for the civil war in the Ukraine and with its open border policy with millions of migrants heading across Europe, the EU is responsible for considerable insecurity and instability.
The EU annual accounts have NEVER been reconciled.
Much is made of the last 20 years accounts unsuccessfully audited, but the EEC/EU, etc., has been in existence for over 50 years­ Originally, the accounts were on a series of spreadsheets and
about 20 years ago the EU belatedly introduced double-entry accounting. When their chief accountant reported her findings
to the EU Commissioner Neil Kinnock, he sacked her!
Despite the EU accounts "irregularities" the UK pays £millions to the EU every day, money that would be much better spent here at home building new hospitals, etc., supporting British citizens and reducing our national debt, currently of £1.6 trillion.
The Institute for Economic Affairs has stated in Feb 2016, that AEU membership currently costs every UK household approx.
£2,900 each year.
Under UN rules, the UK has the right to control the seas around our coast out to 200 miles. Under the EU Common Fisheries Policy, this is not possible. UK waters account 0- 80% of the total EU catch, but UK fishermen may only catch 13%.
The UK Government would ban live animal exports for slaughter, but under EU legislation this is not possible.
ln June, Turkish citizens (almost 80 million) will, under EU law, have the right to enter EU countries, including the UK.
The 3 million jobs lost claim originated from a report commissioned by Britain in Europe, which stated that "up to 3.2
million jobs were associated with exports to EU Countries." The
same paragraph also stated that "there is a case that withdrawal from the EU might actually offer net economic benefits". The
report was subsequently rewritten to read that '3.5 million jobs would be put at risk'. Not true!
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership(TTIP) is a series of trade negotiations carried out mostly in private between the EU and US. It is designed to reduce the regulatory trade barriers for big business in such areas as food and banking, but also even the sovereign powers of nation states. It is apparent that the EU will push through this deal with the US.
The EU Commissioner
for Trade intends to conclude
negotiations before President Obama leaves office.
Dave's 'renegotiated settlements" aren't worth a jot. They're not legally binding and won't be enforced, even if they were significant, which they're not!
Once free we can: (a few examples!)
Ban live animal exports for slaughter
Be governed by those whom we elect
Control our own borders
Cut unnecessary red tape
Negotiate our own trade deals around the World!
Protect our coal and steel industries and
Protect our environment properly and stop flooding
manufacturing companies from overseas dumping
Rebuild our NHS
Regain and control our sovereign fishing grounds
Save millions every day, for what WE need
Scrap Corpus Juris in favour of our Habeas Corpus
Scrap the European Arrest Warrant
Scrap the European Human Rights Act & replace with
our own UK Bill of Rights, encapsulating Magna Carta
Scrap TTIP
Scrap, or set VAT levels to what we need
Scrap useless directives and set our own laws
Support our farming and fishing
Support and reward our inventors and innovators

Future Change You cannot choose,but the type of Change you can.

The American Issue: Republican versus Democrat is not the issue.
Nor is the UK  Tory v. Labour one. Nor the Referendum about in or out of Europe. Far greater changes are afoot.
 Really, the issue is do we want the "flesh version" of those changes or do we want the Spirit and lasting version? But choosing left or right is out the window.
Before describing that in detail I want to compare this moment in history with the period 1200-1500AD. The "Monarchy State/Church" owned and controlled everything across Europe. Luther's statement that we are justified by faith had some staggering real world effects. Salvation was personal.By faith. NOT through hoops which had priestly middlemen. It was only a "nod" to personal responsibility, but in its wake we started to move towards a complete political restructuring. Democracy was formed. Not overnight. And it wasn't a complete answer. Churches only got so far in their shift too. OK notionally we were now a "kingdom of priests", and we didn't pray through middlemen any more , but the middlemen still exist. Vicars/Priests/Pastors to this day manage churches as managers. Democracy is too largely a front. Real world controllers have slipped one layer further back and whereas the frontrunners may come and go, the controllers remain from generation to generation.
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion even describe the process as keeping the rank and file people ever suspended between two ultimately irreconcileable ends of the poitical debate....both equally needed, but the bulk of the people cannot see how they are ever suspended between the two magnetic poles. While one level sees choice, those running the show just see it as a vehicle for control.
Already New Age thought is making its claims for a total restructure in the way the whole earth is run. So,I repeat, the REAL CHOICE before us, since having no change is not an option, is whether we want a secular/ mixed religious solution which a lot of us don't believe addresses who we are as individuals in sufficient depth, or do we literally see the prophesied emergence of a Kingdom way of Living where ALL, literally ALL is  being brought first into Christ, then handed over complete to the Father.
It's not anarchy, but it looks like anarchy, for every member has a relationship with God, and is walking in step with Him. Actually exactly in step...because they now realize there is no other Life in the Universe to walk in.
St Paul, who saw all this 2000 years ago, saw it as "with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ,"NASV "in regard to the dispensation of the fulness of the times, to bring into one the whole in the Christ, both the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth -- in him;YLT (Ephesians 1:10)
With each generation we have gone deeper into discovering who "we are" as people, and our politics has matched the level we were. But God's Word itself is uncompromising. The world and the church don't believe the Word, because they simply don't believe that Christ is that real. God however says, not only IS the life of Christ THAT real...but YOU friend are going to be living it. You see Christ IN YOU IS...IS...the hope of glory. The breaking out wholesale of the revelation of the NEW COVENANT was spelled out in Jeremiah millennia ago. NO MORE WILL ANY MAN TEACH HIS BROTHER....for they shall ALL know Me from the least to the greatest.
This is awesome
in how we worship
This is awesome in how we live life
This is awesome in how we run things
This is just TOTALLY AWESOME

But it predicates God Himself writing the real New Covenant right across our insides in indelible pen!!!
We're talking about in experience by GRACE through His Word by the Power of the Spirit....but ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

At the moment in churches this promise of God just ISN'T TRUE ENOUGH...because it HAS NEVER REALLY BEEN BELIEVED. But this generation is changing that. This generation is getting desperate enough to BELIEVE EXACTLY THAT.

Why Proverbs 3:5 is REALLY a good idea.(Subtitle-How Prophet/Artist/Dreamers think)

Trust in the Lord with all your heart

Don't

Don't

Don't

Rely on your own insight. Proverbs 3:5



Just about the first song I ever received was this verse shortly after being baptised in the Spirit.

In fact I never really thought of myself as a musician until after this....even though I'd been learning classical guitar since I was 10. Proverbs 3 is a track on CD 1 of Early Harvest.

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Today's post is about how Prophet/Artist/Dreamer types think. The apostle John was one of these by temperament as well as by anointing.



This could be a real key for some of you. Either to help you understand yourself. Or to finally help you understand your crazy husband/wife/brother/aunt/work colleague/hamster....well perhaps not hamster.



More than any other character type they think of everything in terms of "DIRECTION ARROWS". Before you finish speaking....often within about 5 words...

they have read YOU

read the direction in which the substance of what you are trying to say is going

and consequently want to continue listening to you

or have already switched off.



This is one way in which they appear rude within the context of the veneer of polite society.

Another type of person who behaves in a similar kind of way are business people. What matters is the bottom line. Profit or loss. The entire infrastructure that may or may not be built around this bottomline is pretty well worthless....however pretty it looks to all those who are working in and around the business.You see this attitude among the entrepreneurs in the series Dragon's Den.



This form of thinking contrasts completely with the more static "snapshot assessment" of a situation favoured by nearly everyone else.



This set of facts are now so, substantiated by this and this and this , which tells me exactly how a situation is now......no more ...no less. I don't wish to know how it will be in 10 years if things continue at the same rate. That is not currently the question in hand.



But for a prophet/dreamer/poet it very much is the question.



The more factual person will regard the former as a bit hysterical....strangely too emotive.

But the prophet is reading the direction arrow. He/she is asking...yes ...but where is this all leading? And if you are only receiving prophetic/creative input you will all be suffering nervous breakdowns from the stress of not knowing what to do with it.

Imagine a roomful of Phoebe's from the show "Friends". Creative it may be....but what awful songs!!!!



A few posts back I described how churches must have their direction arrows fixed in a 3rd level type direction. It does not matter that people may all be at different stages in their Christian walk....at least the leadership have set the tone....and the tone or direction is

to see Christ fully formed in each and every person , such that they can go out and reproduce others to the Father level......and so on.



By far the majority of churches.....what Jesus calls in Revelation "People who call themselves Jews but are not..."

these are not actually churches, since they do not contain people who have had a born again experience yet. They are kind of religious precursors to the church.



Then there are evangelical churches, which although always containing some mature Christians,never set their direction arrow beyond running as a 1st level church. A kind of New Covenant throwback to the Outer Courts in the Old Testament.



The direction arrow of the Pentecostal/charismatic churches never goes beyond a kind of dipping your toe in the River of God ,somewhere in the Holy Place.



But David says "Blessed are the men whose strength is in thee

In whose heart are the highways....the direction arrows to Zion...the Place where God really dwells and rules." Then in the New Testament " Seek first the Kingdom of God....and His righteousness....being clothed in His own righteousness..and walking in it!!!" These are and always were the only true direction arrows. Every church maintains that this was their goal all along. Well...can I say...the world has not noticed , if that really was your aim. So what are you going to do about it?

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Now this post is about how prophets/artistic/creative types view the madness in which the world is run.

Proverbs 3:5 does not say Trust in the Lord with all your heart....period. That would be a Phoebe type existence.

Nor does it say Rely on your own insight. That, in Friends, would be a Ross-type existence.

It says there must be an interplay. You use your own factual input....but you don't build your existence on it. You trust in the Lord. With all your heart. ie You don't hold back.

(By the way...this is why "Living Together"...KMOO marriage...does not work...because you are holding back something)



Here are some mad fruits of a life lived "relying on your own insight". At least from a prophet's perspective.



Recession

If you feedback interminable data/hard facts about a recession via all media outlets all the time, you crash market confidence, creating even greater dips in the market.I call this the UK Dawkins Left-brain hamster wheel principle.

I use Dawkins because he proudly asserts the Left-brain, Materialist approach to life. Although, like fellow-evangelistic atheists Brian Eno and Philip Pullman, none of them live according to their own philosophies. They are all far too creative for that. Brian Eno,being for example, a part of the miracle that is U2.He was their sound engineer on Joshua Tree and Unforgettable Fire.



Let's look at the UK Dawkins Left-brain hamster wheel in Genesis chapter 1.

Here is some hard-wired left-brain factual data, which we will feedback incessantly. Notice all the facts are completely true.


The Earth was formless and void.

Notice that none of this has any permanent relevance for the Word of Faith.

It's an interesting fact....but then

God said Let there be LIGHT!

And ofcourse this kind of thing gives UK Left-brain hamster wheels a bad name. It's just not playing by the rules!!!!



Banking

Far from relying on the left-brain....now it's even worse....it's not even someone's brain. It's a binary-coded electrical device called a computer. No wonder some Jew came up with the fact that if you attach the number 6 to each letter of the alphabet...the numerical value of computer adds up to 666.

So, you have all these so-called business bankers waiting to give you a decision on a loan during this difficult financial period...and their decision is already made. Their decision was made some time ago....when they signed up wholeheartedly to committing over their entire decision making process to limited left-brain input and a few mathematical algorithms.

What is your gut feeling about this loan then?

I have no gut left I'm afraid. It's now all wires and buttons. And it's outside my body on this monitor flashing in front of me.

Was there any point in you coming into work today?

Yes.they answer, I smile nicely, while I tell you "the computer - he say NO".

By the way the Reith Lectures this year are covering similar ground. http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/reith



Politics

How do prophet/poet types regard the madness that is politics here and in the USA? Well, it turns out, in a very similar way to women, who are far too sensible to take stances based on testosterone.



To creatives well aversed with producing lasting things of value, the whole creative process is obvious. It is the interplay between raw inspiration and out of the box creativity, married to function, yes,married to a left-brain step by step implementation of an idea.



Now in a traditional household the husband was the "houseband" ,the provider, the one keeping the whole thing together in terms of providing the raw materials of existence,and the wife was the "weber" the weaver....the one who dealt with the intricacies of getting the whole thing to work, such that everyone was cared for.



Obviously things are now more complex ...but I am not making any particular point here.



What I am saying is, just as the brain needs both sides working together to function....and does not dream of setting up adversarially one against the other...



And just as the husband/wife function together, and don't spend their life standing on opposing tables in the kitchen in gladiatorial combat....



What the double glazed marble throwers!!!! are the USA and Great Britain doing spending every four or five years changing first one way then the other....as if a left-centric party was the bees knees of life....then four years later the right-centric party is the bees knees of life.



The Government of Supply,Business and Fiscal Productivity is true Government.

The Government of Care and welfare is true Government.

But they are both that at the same time!!! Ask any woman. It's only a group of idiot males that it takes 300 years or so to filter this information through to. I refuse to identify with idiots like that. If that makes me a female, then I guess a sexchange is needed. I'm not too sure Christine would like that though.



Do you see how rather than associate with male idiots I became a piano tuner. Males are the ones who rush to Harvard, Harrow,Eton,and Oxford, become part of the Skull and Bones,rush to positions of Testosterone......

Then when they are there....think....

Ahhh!!! I'm in charge. Ummmm, nothing prepared me for this....what do I do now???

Oh ofcourse.....I'll invade a country!!!

So, I repeat- what the double-glazed marble throwers are both USA and UK playing at when it comes to politics?



Since when is democracy.....for 4 years the wife is solely in charge of a house, then the next four years the husband is in charge....the answer is. NEVER. A house is always run by two spouses.



I'm sorry if that is too complicated for men to grasp. Would you like me to go a bit slower?

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Are you beginning to understand the devastating impact of people who "rely on their own insight", rather than trusting in God with all your heart. We are not talking about people going a little off course. We are talkng the daily brush with death that people have to endure,caused by stupid testosterone left-brain hamster wheel living.



Praise God this at last gets dealt with in 3rd level living.

But you can see why non-Christian artists/poets/prophets who live perceiving everyone's direction arrows peeking out of everyone's middles, you can see why they are driven to drink ,drugs ,hopeless despair and suicide. Left-brain folk are only just now beginning to get the data.

KMOO Rollout Has Been Success!

FOLLOWING THE SUCCESS OF THE INITIAL KMOO ROLLOUTS INTERNATIONALLY, BUT PARTICULARLY HERE IN EUROPE AND THE UNITED STATES, FURTHER KMOO PROGRAMMES ARE BEING DRAFTED FOR THE FIELDS OF INSURANCE ,BANKING,MORTGAGE LENDING , ARMY RECRUITMENT,EDUCATION ,RELIGION AND POLITICAL REFORM.

This week leaders from both the United Nations and the European Community were celebrating the success of the initial rollouts of the KMOO programme in marriage, childcare, finance and religion. Although KMOO is virtually unknown in its abbreviated form in the wider world, leaders have been designing and shaping programmes for decades according to a worldwide KMOO philosophy.

KMOO is simply an abbreviation of Keep My Options Open.It is a philosophy that has been found to be entirely in keeping with the modern understanding of our evolution as human beings. It takes its basis from the survival of the fittest and is completely at odds with the older traditionalist and non-secular view of religion.

One of the most well-known applications of KMOO has been in the field of human relationships. Usually referred to as "living together", KMOO marriage has been found to be the most pragmatic answer to instructing large numbers of people in preparation for marriage and building family units.

In former times, the largely religious view was felt to be far too demanding , both in its frameworks which required more complex understandings of largely discarded philosophies such as fidelity, and love which considers the partner's wishes above his or her own. With population numbers and population densities increasing, the long and complicated explanations of such matters are now considered by most, as unwieldy and at worst as impractical in a world where the average attention span of most humans is 12 minutes 30 seconds.Possibly less straight after watching XFactor.

The greatest successes have been the changeover in education where KMOO has been applied. By encouraging sexual experimentation with numbers of partners by focussing more on the mechanics of contraception, the previous poor use of time management whereby elders and supervisers would try and prevent the young from too serious involvement with each other too soon in life, has now been discarded in favour of leaving them to get on with it, thus leaving the older generation more hours to go about their own concerns.

KMOO has its detractors however. Craig Little of Pro Family Management, a traditionalist social education hub in the UK, has brought up the issue of the UK having the largest teen pregnancy figures in Europe. KMOO enforcers , in reply have called for thicker, more durable condoms.

Craig Little recently also brought up the question of longterm psychological problems caused by partners breaking their relationships whenever small to medium problems emerged while co-habiting in KMOO marriages. The international KMOO thinktank have collected data on these matters, and while their psychologists have observed an increase in the levels of depression, often hidden under layers of displacement behaviour, with professional help most return to relative normality in 20- 30 years. This , they believe is a small price to pay rather than the high financial cost of providing some kind of secular alternative education to get over the complicated concepts formerly taught at no cost by churchmen in earlier centuries in their sermons.

KMOO behaviour, it is insisted has led to very "colourful and varied" existences as mixed parents and mixed siblings learn to appreciate and blend with their new extended families. This has also led, they point out, to the proliferation of Theme Parks and Macdonalds outlets, where the doting single parent can take his or her children on the one day per week they may see their offspring. Children largely learn to adapt to their new conditions and are well able to bury their hurts for the 20 or 30 years necessary to function as relatively normal, but medicated individuals in the modern workplace.

Kaye Volkhardt of the Traditional Marriage Bureau challenges the KMOO vision of relationships when she says"Partners who live together know only a kind of "present commitment". They have never known the joy of abandonment of any other agenda to a lifelong mutual commitment to another being. They miss out on knowing that their partner has made a firm bottomline decision to be with them and them alone."

KMOO specialists dismiss this as an ostrich view of life, which denies that the world has moved on into a fuller understanding of "survival of the fittest", and "getting on at the expense of the other".

KMOO Childcare

Perhaps the greatest success in KMOO development has been the implementation of laws in the field of Childcare. In later years this has indeed concerned greater provision of child care, but since the 1960's KMOO childcare has usually used the more abstract word "abortion". This involves the careful implementation of a parent's choice to benignly end a child's life. KMOO experts have found it far less emotive and effective to use medical vocabulary like foetus and termination.

This gives great freedom to the parent and greatly adds to a KMOO enjoyment of life.

Craig Little has long opposed abortion and asks healthcare providers if anyone has considered the rights of the unborn child? He doubts whether the use of medical words has any effect for the unborn child, whose rights are diminished in the same way whether emotive terms such as killed or impersonal words such as foetus or termination are used. Either way, its life is stopped.

Again KMOO proponents see only a success story, since neither the parent nor the state have any ongoing costs to find, the parent can continue to be in full time work, supplying more tax payments to further develop KMOO political advances. It is a win-win situation that would be extremely expensive and troubling to reverse, and would in turn in no way conform to the tenets of "survival of the fittest" and Darwin.

In the last few years the KMOO philosophy of religion has been so succesfully implemented in schools, that its fundamental tenets are now being applied to high finance and politics. And nothing has been found to work better in both when moving from bull to bear markets, from highrolling investment to market crashes.

It enables both high bankers, industrial heads and politicians to keep their powerbase when ordinarily in the weaker models of centuries past, they would have lost their power, and most probably their lives.This is one of the great strengths in KMOO development; learning how to create a smokescreen of such brilliant intensity that everyone is afraid to identify such fundamental questions as responsibility which so threatened stability in historical settings. By removing this base and worthless principle and instituting the far more Darwinian "power for power's sake" , groups of individuals are better able to leverage exit strategies that are ultimately more appealing than simply "losing one's head" for the sake of any cause. So high bankers, industrial heads and political groups keep in power longer,while their power vehicle may change completely. This , it has been found by KMOO educators, has been a much more encouraging carrot for school leavers and university graduates who seek to learn from KMOO successes and follow on in their train.

What was it about rolling the KMOO philosophy of religious education into schools that acted as such a stimulus to these other areas? Leon Schmitten of EU council Affairs explains, " The old model of unity based on any solid foundation such as "truth" , say, was found to be unworkable in such a large field of opposing opinions. By creating a climate where everybody's tenets of faith are continually presented in unmanageable quantities , everybody's minds are so overworked that it better suits our framework of "Keeping All the Options Open" continually, so no one is embarrassed by ever having to nail his decision to one particular mast. This keeps every party happy that their side is being discussed openly and freely, without having to undergo the frictions that deciding for one route or one course was ultimately the correct way." Leon said this policy had been found to work in such a stupendous way in teaching RE in schools.

Charles Gridlock of CTS (Christianity Today in Schools) disagrees. "Presenting Christianity as in any way equal to other religions is false for these reasons, whether a person wishes to ultimately follow its tenets.

Firstly no other religion has laid itself bare when it comes to prophesying the end from the beginning. From declaring x hundred details about what the Messiah would be like, down to how things will wind up on Earth. No other religion has been that stupid, or accurate, depending on your belief.

Secondly no other religion has been stupid enough to declare "another agent" other than man himself for his salvation. All other religions construct their own hoops through which a man may leap. And many versions of Christianity have stooped back down to this model rather than accept their own core original beliefs".

KMOO maintain that while these things may be so, their method has galvanised a lot more disparate groupings together into one manoeverable mass, than has ever been acheived by getting people to believe a certain way.

Charles counters with another problem as he sees it. "The Bible maintains that its method, which it self-titles as folly, is to be disseminated through what it calls "the folly of preaching". By removing access to this, disallowing it in another words, Christianity has declined in schools to the level of one of many historical teachings that fly in the face of the popularly-assumed superior Darwinian model of understanding."

"And the problem is..?" ask KMOO representatives Richard Dawkins,Brian Eno and Philip Pullman.

"The problem is no schoolboy or girl in this day and age is once encountering Christianity properly during the whole of their school life."replies Gridlock"They only hear vague and disputable ideas about Christianity third hand."

"Exactly" , say KMOO. "This removes choice, and this is what we ultimately stand for. Our ideas which stand for the "survival of the fittest" have indeed been shown to be the only ones fit for survival."

On the back of 40-50 years of stupendous success, KMOO are now proposing rolling out new forms of KMOO contracts in areas such as banking, mortgage-lending and army recruitment.

The Head of KMOO policy in the UK , Mr.Lionel Greyshade, explains.

"The old forms of commitment such as marriage have been shown to be too unworkable, so we will be initially rolling out "Present Day" commitment forms in fields like house buying. The lender will pick a house and simply say "I'd like to live in it until such time as it doesn't suit me any longer and then move on instantly to another dwelling. "The loan institution will take back the lion's share of the property that the borrower has spent several years paying for, in the manner of a divorce or partnership breakdown, and the house buyer will then move off virtually penniless to another property."

"Isn't that virtually the same as property rental?" we asked.

"Similar, but its got a better KMOO title...Present Day commitment mortgages. Sounds current and more up to date."

Army Generals, faced with recruitment problems are now considering KMOO as their only hope. Present Day Army contracts are being developed this year which fully tally with KMOO objectives.

"I promise to join the army and serve it as long as it suits me.Should I feel at a later date that it is asking too much from me, namely my life, I will move on to another job or unemployment."

KMOO were finally asked whether they thought that in the long term their tenets of faith were largely unworkable? What matters in life, is what matters now, was the reply.

author's rights reserved:Chris Welch May 2009

(In true Iggy style, can I just state that this has been a spoof. I do not hold to this belief system nor recommend it. )

A Syn and Melchizedek summary.Part VIII

I have now made this From the Mystery of Sin to the Mystery of Syn Part VIII

The two recent series dovetail into one another and I wanted to hammer home a few of my findings over the years.

The word Pathology means the branch of medical science that studies the causes and nature and effects of diseases .

Living a more or less continuous stretch of my life in Christian community, brought me face up to the window with my own spiritual pathology and that of a community's. I wanted to find an answer. I had to find an answer. I believed from the Word that there was an answer. But I was aware that we hadn't found it. Not in our daily living.

One of the best early keys came from a leadership couple called Stan and Averil Warren. They seemed streets ahead in this living business which is why they were chosen to lead the Bible House.

Stan taught from Amos "Seek Me and Live". In other words any failure, or any attempt at moving on into our vision of what we wanted from life was going to come out of our Seeking God.
And I would have to say that most of us found a lot from God in this way. Firsthand. On our insides. And not by rote-learning off other people teaching techniques.In fact when I got the breakthrough I was looking for,this was eventually how it came. I only subsequently learned through Norman Grubb and his Zerubbabel group about "what had happened" and was able to verbalise it in the 1989 tape "Third level Christianity".

Averil used to say something interesting. Whenever we made errors in the house, or bondages in our life were being exposed....she wasn't primarily interested with just getting those issues right.
She would say simply "We need to pray God into that area of your life. You just need more of God."

Subsequently I have found out more about the detail of why these two details are absolutely correct. So rather than learning completely new stuff and starting some new weird sect or something, I'd describe it in the words of Ed Miller as just "turning the light switch on" in a room I already knew.

Sheila Atchley had an alternative image for my one about "the suspended orb of God's Word". She used the picture of a curtain rod. You've got the flowing and beautiful line of a curtain, but only because it is tensioned correctly overhead with a curtain rod.

In February I was restringing a Bechstein piano in Kegworth and only had one week to do all the strings, all the hammers ,all the dampers and then regulate the thing so that the new parts worked properly....oh and tune the thing to stability a gazillion times!!! And I facebooked people saying how tough it was "re-stringing when the tuning pins had not arrived". Because Bechsteins
have these little fixing holes in things called "agraffes", I was able to cut some of the strings to length at least, and have them sitting there loosely in position.But they do tend to flop around and obstruct each other.

So what's the punchline? Yup. The strings need to be tensioned by the presence of tuning pins at the other end. Maybe they are not up to full tension yet. For that you have to have restrung the whole piano! The whole piano shares the downstrain evenly so that one portion is not overtensioned. A fully tuned midsize Bechstein has a collective tension of 25 tons! (that by the way is another prophetic Church image)

But even putting strings on, there has to be this tension in order that strings do not foul each other.

How does that relate to us? Well, for grace teaching to really work on our insides and produce the Jesus life, we do need covenant. We do need law! But not this time as a tool for condemnation to show us our need for a Saviour. This time it is the leveraging tool that Christ uses to believe "Who we are" against.
Imagine a hippy called "Death" who a couple of us met in Amersham,round his house,witnessing to him.I was 15 or 16. The guy didn't believe in paying his way. Didn't believe in working. He had taken over a couple's house and was squatting in it. He only believed in medicating his feelings with hash. He didn't believe in marriage, only living with who he chose when he chose. If his partner had kids, then as long as it suited him he would sort of be some kind of parental figure.
Until the child crossed his will, and would be bundled out of his way.

What was going on here? He was one of the most extreme versions I have ever met of a guy who was stripping his life of every covenantal boundary. Milder versions are now everywhere you look.
People think freedom is not being shown up for being what you are. A lazy,good for nothing,non- producing,selfish ,twisted, non-relational island who demands the whole of external humanity meets him on his terms and only his terms...or stuff them all!
Death had tried to rid himself of all external measuring devices which would read back to him what an idiot he was.

We need covenantal measuring devices. They are good for our lives. This is one of the functions of the local Body of Christ. To be light to us. About ourselves.
But unless local believers know who they are in Christ, you get the opposite extreme occurring whereby far from being a House after the Order of Melchizedek who are helping you with the very real covenantal issues of life/family job etc. they are making up laws of "tithing mint and cummin". They are tethering your life to all sorts of false covenants that work to destroy your life and keep you from the very real covenantal responsibilities God has given you.

Which brings us to 2 important questions which at first seem unrelated.

Why is Body life not the same as socialism?
And is Pariotism a good or bad thing?

Here is the answer to both.
If each individual is living his or her life as Christ as me in my form...Body life is Syn Life...is collective divine life....you're living out a mystery together. And Patriotism is the healthy expression of corporate life on a national scale.

But conversely..
if each individual does not know he or she has died with Christ and his or her life is now hidden with Christ in God the Father.....
then put that bunch together and you get socialism. You might as well be atheists. You will be expressing the life of your father the devil just as ably as any Russia or China under communism.
And your collective Patriotism will be a "super" representation of your false ego image of being a god in your own right, either expressed in a Russian or Chinese form of demonstrating your atom bombs through your streets on a yearly basis, or in the more benign but even more deceived version of America, appointing itself as Big Brother nation to defend other causes,(but only when oil runs out, or its own interests are threatened) namely Iraq, but not Zimbabwe or North Korea for instance. This deceit was ofcourse highlighted 20 years ago in the album "Joshua Tree " by U2.

So to the Free Believer's network I would say the answer to bad church is not no church, it is rather church run in the order of Melchizedek.