More Bloody Revolutions?

I want to share something on a bigger scale using a bit of history, One of the big things about Union thinking and single eye thinking that Jesus talked about is related to the words of David...even though I make my 4 poster in Sheol there are you
and the prophets somewhere...(listen if St Paul didn't have Google then I can say that too)
You are surrounded by Darkness....or in the Midst of Darkness
Darkness is as LIGHT
we are over SHADOWED by the Most High
in the SHADOW of His wings

Matthew 5 makes it absolutely clear that the BLESSING of the Lord is to be found right in very precise spot where we hate according to the natural man....errrr...but only when He shows up.  We require Him to show up to survive.

A lot of the mad way Christians live....and this is also true of all humans too...is God showing up unexpectedly and undergirding us in completely alien situations.
We are like burning bushes that never burn up.
We are like roots out of parched ground
"Where did you lot come from?"  Ask any of us on the net here regularly making absurd spiritual type statements. They would be absurd but they are coming out of God really showing up in incredible ways.

But God showed up for Ishmael and his mum too!!!!   That's a great bit of prefiguring there by the way...read it for yourselves.
(In the wake of the Charlie Hebdo attack....it may well transpire the attackers were "turned" and mindcontrolled" and the whole thing wasn't really Muslim at base, but like so many others, secret service based with Muslim as cover. If that is so my heart goes out to Muslims who now find themselves in the midst of French racial hatred.)

The context of this post of seeing the WHOLE is to do with prayer.
For centuries Christians have been praying THY KINGDOM COME and while Christians have been "meaning that" outwardly, because they may have not been very mature....
God HAS BEEN FAITHFULLY answering...but in the same manner as He answered the prayer for the Messiah

Like a ROOT out of parched ground.

If you can see in the Spirit you can see that particularly in the last 500 years we have started a completely new traversal of the heavenly Tabernacle. Any unbelievers unfamiliar with this stuff check it out for yourselves.....
The Tabernacle, (and Moses one was just a Cornflakes packet model of the real Heavenly One)see Hebrews)...had three sections.
Luther began things again when he stated simply
Salvation is by faith in the death and resurrection of Christ. Not by paying your way in Indulgences to the Pope.
Spiritually this is the BRAZEN altar ...if you stray any further out of the door you are nolonger in God's Tabernacle...you cease to be a part of the Heavenly Covenant with man....this is what Luther was saying.

Now follow all the "furniture" of the Tabernacle inwards and I guarantee you can understand that each MOVE of GOD from the Anabaptists (Laver and baptisms) onwards corresponds with all the rest of the furniture until we "come home" to the Holy of Holies, God incarnating Himself in man.

BUT SAINTS AND SOON SAINTS.....what did it "look like"?
100 Years War
Revolutions
Birth of America
Freemasonry
Millions dead
World Wars
Police States
Cold War
Threat of Nuclear War......wars and rumours of wars

Saints praying "Thy Kingdom Come"  won't be thinking God has ever answered.
But in the reverse sort of Kingdom weave whereby the underneath part of the tapestry is what we see, on top the true Spirit weave is actually what is birthed in corporate man in terms of light,  understanding,and manner of living.....
Revelation as in the Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ to John makes it perfectly clear that Christ is reigning and ruling and opening seals that ARE BUILDING A HOUSE in the EARTH...it just doesn't always look like it...

Any more than the birth of the child looks any more like the child that 2 hours later, cleaned up and in blankets is presented to any visitors to see the mum and child.

YOU AND I, like DAD's allowed into childbirth....are just privileged to see the messy birth process of the KINGDOM actually arriving LIVE as it happens.
Amidst screams.
Traumas
Negatives
Disturbances
and so on

But history shows us some amazing things.
This is the well known one I was going to pinpoint.
European Revolutions and Britain

In the Spirit it was the TIME in the heavenlies for the precursor to the birth of the new PRIESTHOOD in all the nations of the world.
In Moses time this looked like the Levites all washing ceremonially and being anointed to enter the covered areas of the Tabernacle. Why covered? Because beyond this point ONLY priests could enter, and only the Spirit was going to be the Light source  . Around the 1750s onwards we are at the very earliest preparations for the Baptism in the Spirit to be outpoured again as experience across the earth in the early 20th Century Pentecostal explosion. But in the late 1700s this was still not yet.

But it WAS the birth of the Brethren understanding that we were ALL ministers and priests. So in the Spirit this was the rolling out of the new understanding of who are now the LEVITES?
Without that understanding God is not going to be able to baptise everyone in the Spirit come the twentieth century.

So how did it "look " in the natural?
Well in Europe and America it "looked" like a Freemasonry bloodbath as the peoples severed themselves from the "old priesthood " notion of the catholic heirarchies (especially France) but also from the old order patrimonies of KINGS ruling nations.    THIS WAS GOD's TIME and you either did it in a bloody way or as in England...you did it more in God.

After praying literally for a 100 years non stop, the Moravians went into all the world preaching the gospel....but the100 year  DAM of SPIRITUAL POWER affected nobody more than the UK and America. John Wesley was "Kingdom blasted" by contact with these Moravians and nothing more so than by the incident of the ship in a storm. He knew that they knew that they knew that they knew...
and in that moment he knew that he didn't........

METHODISM was only a RHEMA stage in God. RHEMA is a direct spoken Word of God similar to the manna they received in the Wilderness which went "off " in about 3 days. Methodism may be slightly renewed by now but in the 1960s they had so "gone  off" it is a wonder I could ever become a Christian at all, and as it was I never became a Christian in the Methodist church.

But in 1750s-90s Methodism and Wesley and Whitfield's preaching WAS God's rhema word to be able to affect Britain  so that we never had the bloody revolution that was planned by the occult elite.
Methodism was never meant to be a sum total denomination in its own right. Neither was the Brethren Movement later.

TODAY...the WORD is GOD IN YOU AS YOU.

You can either do it in a Luciferian way in New Age, and experience the full force of his hideousness or you can experience revival in God  and experience the change in history in a less bloody way....BUT EXPERIENCE the birth of the KINGDOM in real time you will.  For the LORD of Heaven and Earth has decreed it and is birthing it, and NO MAN can stop the prayer of 2000 years.....

THY KINGDOM COME.

The Moravians - a history

Red Moon Rising available here

The Moravian Church, or Unitas Fratrum, of which Zinzendorf was a bishop, had been founded hundreds of years before his great Herrnhut experiment. Prior to Zinzendorf, the Moravian Church had never, as far as we know, dreamed of praying round the clock; this was an idea flowing within monasticism. But the Moravian Church had a long and very remarkable history that inspired and shaped Zinzendorf and the renewal movement he catalysed.
The Moravian roots
The Moravian Church served the cause of Christ in two distinct eras: the Ancient Unity and the Renewed Moravian Church.' The roots of Christianity in Bohemia and Moravia (modern-day Czech Republic) could be found in the mission work of two Greek Ortho­dox bishops, Cyril and Methodius. They, like the Celtic believers, had much in common with other branches of Christendom, but didn't always feel comfortable with the policies of the current rulers in Rome. The inadvertent founder of the Unitas Fratrum was Jan Huss, the President of the University of Prague, who, years before Luther, railed against the sale of indulgences and the belief that you could buy forgiveness of sin. What's more, Huss insisted on preaching in the language of the people and not in Latin. As aresult he soon had the ear of the masses and the heart of the people. He was eventually tricked into attending a church court, imprisoned and killed.- Material about the Ancient Unity is based on an article found at http://www.everydaycounselor.com/archives/sh/shistory.htm
His death was a catalyst for revolt and helped spawn three different sets of supporters. One of these, the Moderates, believed in the 'heart religion' that had been practised by the primitive Christians of the New Testament. In March 1457 they formed the Brethren of the Law of Christ, a group that sought to influence the church of the day rather than split from it.
They were often persecuted, emphasizing that faith must find expression as a 'faith that works'. Like Huss, they passionately believed that the gospel should be made accessible to ordinary people and so they had the extraordinary distinction of being the first to translate the Bible into a native tongue, the Kralitz Bible. They went on to publish a further 50 books despite the attempts of the authorities to find and burn copies of their Bible.
The seventeenth century saw their number decimated by persecution and many fled Bohemia to Moravia, Silesia and modern-day Poland.
John Amos Comenius
This ancient Moravian bishop later became known as the Father of Modern Education and was hailed by Life magazine as one of the 100 most influential people of the last millennium. He created a new educational philosophy called Pansophism, or universal knowledge, designed to bring about worldwide understanding and peace. Comenius advised teachers to use children's senses rather than memorization in instruction. To make learning inter­esting for children, he wrote The Gate of Tongues Unlocked (1631), a book for teaching Latin in the student's own language. He also wrote Orbis Sensualium Pictus (1658; The Visible World in Pictures, 1659) consisting of illustrations that labelled objects in both their Latin and vernacular names. It was one of the first illustrated books written especially for children.
Comenius was asked to assist in Swedish educational reforms, but his first passion was the church and this is where he devoted much of his time and genius. Faced with bitter persecution, heresolved to plant a 'hidden seed', and on his death bed, convinced that he was a failure, urged the Brethren to 'take care ... that the foundations of our unity may not be so entirely ruined as to make it impossible for our posterity to find them'.
The 'hidden seed' was to spring back into life in 1722 when a Moravian carpenter called Christian David encountered Nicholas Ludwig Von Zinzendorf, and asked if he could find them a place where they could practise the heart religion of the early church without persecution. Zinzendorf promised to give it some thought, and returned to his estate in June to find that Christian David had presumed he would say yes and had arrived already. They began building a new community on Zinzendorf's Berthels­dorf estate, which would become known as Herrnhut, a phrase that meant 'the watch of the Lord'.- Material in this section draws from John R. Weinlick, CountZinzendorf (The Moravian Church in America, 1984).
Count Zinzendorf
Zinzendorf was to prove an able leader for the religious refugees who began to arrive on his land. Raised in a devout family, Count Zinzendorf seemed set aside for spiritual leadership from an early age. Church reformer and education pioneer Spener prayed with him at the age of four with respect to his spiritual destiny! At the age of 16 he graduated from Halle University, but not before informing the principal that in his time at the college he had started no fewer than seven different prayer groups and asking him to keep an eye on them.'
One of these prayer groups was named the Order of the Grain of Mustard Seed and contained a number of future leaders, including John Potter, who was to become an Archbishop of Canterbury. Together with his friends in the Mustard Seed prayer group Zinzendorf made a solemn pledge that would shape the destiny of the rest of his life. He vowed:

· to be kind to all men;
· to be true to Christ;
· to send the gospel to the world.
Each member of the order wore a ring inscribed with the words 'No man liveth unto himself'.
The count's youthful vows were to be a constant theme in the life of the Renewed Moravian Church. But first he had to try and bring some structure to the diverse group that was sprouting up on his land. The count was a voracious reader and was delighted to discover one of the foundational documents of the Moravians, a 'Covenant' document penned by the great Comenius himself. To this he added some local law and some of his own thought, and in May 1727 presented it to the warring factions on his estate.
The earliest historian of the eighteenth-century Moravians, Spangenberg, suggested that there were seven aspects of the 'Brotherly Agreement' that reflected the influence of Zinzendorf.
· The need for personal conversion.
· A commitment to simplicity and integrity as marks of a true church.
· A refusal to be hostile to other believers – even when you believed they were not understanding the Scripture as you might.
· The belief that the sin of some believers was their fault, not that of the church. Zinzendorf believed in discipline but not in coer­cion.
· A wariness of labels and names that might divide rather than unite.
· An active quest for spiritual growth. There was to be no reliance on the blessings of the past. The people of God were to be intentional.
· A readiness to lay aside one's personal desires and be ready to make sacrifices for the sake of others.

These seven aspects captured the heartbeat of a movement that sought to be active, simple, good, peace-making and sacrificial. Turn to 'Vision and Values' (p. 305) to see how we have sought to reflect the thinking of the Moravians and our own distinctive culture in the early twenty-first century.
Zinzendorf arranged for his new community to gather in small groups or 'bands'. In time, this developed into a more formal 'choir system' based on age, sex and marital status. These groups met daily for prayer or worship. Often they would gather simply to sing. Zinzendorf was a prolific hymn-writer so they never lacked new material!
Following a Holy Spirit visitation at an August 1727 commu­nion service, the warring factions in the group finally made public peace. A 24-hour prayer meeting was initiated two weeks later, which would last for 100 years. Twenty-four of the single men and 24 of the single women began an hourly intercession. Their prayers were informed by a weekly meeting where letters and messages from other Moravian Christians were read. This gave the praying believers specific people and places to pray for. In 1732, five years after their pentecostal experience, the group began to go out around Europe and the world to take Christ to the ends of the earth.
An emerging generation
Many of the people in this emerging generation of Moravians would later travel the world as missionaries. The Moravian community at Herrnhut spurred a movement that sponsored 3,000 missionaries in its first 200 years of existence. Many believe that it was one of the wellsprings of the modern mission movement.
The commitment to mission took them to the far corners of the earth. Two missionaries, it is said, sold themselves into slavery to reach the Caribbean community of St Thomas, and others trav­elled to Greenland. Greenland was to prove a watershed. Mora­vian historian James Hutton described what happened:

In the past they had discoursed [with non-Christians] about the Fall of Man and the Plan of Salvation; hence forward they gave the people the Passion Story in detail; and the Eskimos themselves soon noticed the difference. At the story of Adam and Eve they had merely wondered; at the story of the Crown of Thorns they wept; and, some­times, at the baptismal service, their tears dripped into the font.
When informed of the success of the Greenland Mission, Count Zinzendorf said, 'Henceforth, we shall preach nothing but the love of the slaughtered Lamb.' From that time forward Moravian evangelists were schooled in telling the Passion Story — the story of Christ's death on the cross for humankind — as succinctly and as simply as possible."
The Moravians would eventually go to Surinam, Ceylon, South Africa, Cairo, Jerusalem and Baghdad. But they also touched the life of another man whose ministry would take their values and ideas to the far-flung corners of the world.

John Wesley
The impact on Wesley arose partly from their conduct in a terrify­ing storm. Wesley noted them as he returned from a dishearten­ing trip.
At seven I went to the Germans. I had long before observed the great seriousness of their behaviour. Of their humility they had given a continual proof, by performing those servile offices for the other passengers which none of the English would undertake; for which they desired, and would receive no pay, saying it was good for their proud hearts, and their loving Saviour had done more for them. And every day had given them occasion of showing a meekness, which no injury could move. If they were pushed, struck, or thrown down, they rose again and went away; but no complaint was found in their mouth. There was now an opportunity of trying whether they were delivered from the spirit of fear, as well as from that of pride, anger, and revenge. In the midst of the psalm wherewith their service began, the sea broke

James Hutton, The History of Moravian Mission (out of print).Try http://www.alibris.com/

over, split the main-sail in pieces, covered the ship, and poured in between the decks, as if the great deep had already swallowed us up. A terrible screaming began among the English. The Germans calmly sang on. I asked one of them afterwards, 'Were you not afraid?' He answered, 'I thank God, no.' I asked, 'But were not your women and children afraid?' He replied, mildly, 'No; our women and children are not afraid to die. '5
He subsequently visited their Fetter Lane church in London. It was here at an extended prayer meeting that he first felt the 'strange warming' of real relationship with Christ. One of Wesley's first acts was then to sail for Holland, where he was met by Zinzendorf and escorted back to the Berthelsdorf estate. Methodism, founded of course by Wesley, has helped shape the Christian witness on every continent, not least through its subsequent influence on Holiness, Pentecostal and Salvation Army groups.
The Moravian Church never grew particularly large, even though it was widespread, because of its commitment to Christian unity. Many, perhaps the majority, of its converts were given away to other denominations. However, the influence of the Moravian tradition has been massive, as the brief history above makes clear. The Moravian Texts are today the world's best-selling daily devotional, used by 1.5 million people each day in 50 languages and dialects.
Chris continues:

At some point we have to make a decision. Are we prepared to be a small work that contains Divine seed. Are we prepared, like Mary the mother of Jesus, or like Jacob the father of a brood of just twelve, or back even further to Abraham, whose calling was just to father one child of promise; are we prepared to be a background person, yet whose Divine seed will far, far outstrip us in achievements and influence? Or must we remain in the limelight for all to see.

Jorge Pradas, the father behind Los Rios de Vida in every province of Argentina, often laughed about this. You can hear him talk about this in a message on Unity in the Body. How nobody, but nobody ever seememd to remember his name. One of the English guys here had such bad Spanish pronunciation that he called him "Hawkeye" which freaked my mum out, when I joined them at 20 years of age.

Or Ed Miller. Ed who? Yet he is behind virtually all the early USA praise albums. Behind many of the early ministries sharing about the power of praise, like Judson Cornwall, like the Bible Temple in Oregon. Having a great deal to do with people such as Ruth Heflin in Israel. And so the list goes on. Do you want to be somebody whose life secretly affects nations. Or do you want to be Brother Zap of "Power for the Hour ministries", who has great anointing but precious little else? History speaks to us of some very influential servants of God with absolutely no worldly recognition. Your Sharma's and David Starkey's, wellknown TV historians have absolutely no idea of the linkages both spiritual and natural which came into being precisely because of these people. Even strange repercussions that are better known about like the birth of the chocolate industry in Britain. The Quakers Fry and Cadbury's etc.

Thin Places and 24/7 Prayer

My friend John Stevens, a biology teacher did a one week fast openly and all blogged up here:

http://thinplaces-ao.blogspot.com/

But at the bottom of his blog he expalins the double meaning behind thin places.

During the summer I read a number of books doing the rounds such as Blue Like Jazz (which I enjoyed immensely) and The Irresistable Revolution (which I admired). T.I.R. attempts to recapture the radical monastery life of centuries ago and re-package its call and relevance for us in the 21st Century. It tells us the Celts located their monasteries in places were the presence of God seemed unusually real. And that communities grew around these sites. What a refreshing modus operandi that could be for current town planners to consider!The Celtish Christians called these 'thin places' where the normal divide between earth and heaven seemed to grow thin.

So just about the time that us charismatics/pentecostals/Norman Grubb readers satisfy ourselves that God is to be experienced everywhere...and is the same everywhere...just then we read in Acts that people are healed by the shadows of apostles as they walk past...by handkerchiefs anointed with oil....then certain places as I describe below on John Stevens blog


Oh and.....regarding thin places...they really exist. A client who is not overly spiritual says that he knows when he is near a closed order monastry on the way to Henfield Sussex, because the whole area feels different.Dunno about that. it's not my patch. but even I experienced this a bit at last year's RiverCamp see 2009 http://www.river-camp.co.uk/ It is on some land that has been used continuously for prayer....including as a Christian healing centre for decades...and it's that much easier to hold Christian events here!!!!

Then as if that is not enough, Theresa in Havant Church goes into Sacre Coeur at Place du Montmartre, Paris and is overwhelmed by the sense of prayer in that place. Nuns have been offering up prayers continually here since well over a hundred years ago.

Grace people in general don't talk much about discipline. This word covers a lot of things. But here it refers to a repeated activity. Self-control is a Holy Spirit fruit...and you need a bit of that when undertaking anything in a continued and persistent fashion. The idea of crafted prayer...or a prayer like the prayer of Jabez...is a prayer that is formulated hopefully in the Presence of God, then prayed consistantly until a change occurs. Actually The Lord's Prayer is such a prayer. These type of prayers , because they originate in God, actually themselves, unfold like a snail shell, and are packed with meditation power....unfolding and unfolding.

All this to say that the Moravians who had a 100 year prayer meeting were the inspiration for a movement originating here in Chichester called Prayer 24/7.

Over this weekend Havant church are setting aside a room for 24/7 round the clock prayer from tonight until Tuesday. As I was struggling with a seized up lock on a piano...I was hit by another example. A lock that is repeatedly used locks easily and smoothly. If people regularly walk across a strip of grass, a pathline emerges. So I guess in the Spirit, that is the secret behind an Open heaven being over certain places...or being experienced in any of our houses....wherever Kingdom activities are being conducted...wherever heaven is being accessed.

Pray for us....that we do access heaven...and may it have effects for you.