How does removing the splinter work?

My one addition is this
What Jesus Christ actually said was
Remove the Log in your own inner seeing
then you can see to take out some splinters in others.
The LOG is Genesis 3. With that still in place inside us the only thing we are allowed to do is pray and show love.
And that to me is the main difference between my position and South Africans. Union changes Christianity forever.

How does the splinter system operate?
Well Mark Skidmore put this well. He said you just go about your daily life of living in Christ and you "show up" splinters without even meaning to....then it's what the other person does with that new knowledge. If they accept the truth they walk with you in fellowship....if not they alienate themselves. The other person calls this "judging them". But Jesus made it clear....as He walked our walk ahead of time....we judge nobody....people are already judged.
Why? By the One Life in the Universe. Our "offkilter" behaviour is judged by the ONE LIFE not by humans as such.

The outgoings of Life

It takes a great blow to our egos to really know that we are only the clay pots and not the glory of the contents. Christ is the content, it is He that fills the temple. Yet we have been falsely taught that we are the one who should fulfill the law and try to fill our temples with good works. The essence of all idolatry is trying to be what only God is. This too is the essence of legalism. Trying to be good leaves our hearts empty and still crying out for more. For it is Christ who can fulfill the law in us, and it is He that wants the glory. We are His dwelling place, not our own dwelling place. Sylvia Pearce

Chris Welch: If you go to a Bill Johnson meeting, or went to a John Wimber meeting...you will sometimes be praying "More Lord More Lord." But it depends on the "inner model" you are working from whether anything happens.

Of His fulness have we received.
We are containers.

The problem with the "more " type prayers is that the people have a different "model" on their insides. Their model is inherited from Genesis 3, that we are separate beings, self powered beings who are now in some way empty, but still self-powered, and to "us" we need to add layers of Spirit.

When the disciples who were gobsmacked at what Jesus did and asked Him how they could have the faith to do these things, notice He didn't say...."Why...simply call out for more faith"...He answered with a very oblique parable about servants first slogging in the fields, then with no rest, serving the Master in the house until He was satisfied.

 I have limited light on this, but there is something in the "service"...and it's a designated service...it's not "our idea of service" which fills most missionary activity. It's a service designed to bring us to a realisation. Our own limitations, and God's All Sufficiency.

 Later we become "see-throughers". We see right through to God's Life being the "only thing" that is really going on in the universe. Everything else is scheming,fakery,manipulation,emptiness, and coverups. God's Life IS THE ONE LIFE.

 Peter could say with all confidence that we have in this Life all-sufficiency for everything." Peter1:3"seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence." It's because of the way this Life unfolds itself within us as we are obedient to it. It's not that we get more...we become established in it. We become embedded in it.

 I often use the example of learning balance as we ride a bike. We develop a feel for "flow", for the "feel" of His Life. Hebrews 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

What is solid food? It's not talk "about Christ" ...it's talk of what actually IS CHRIST. It's saying...this is God's Life in Christ living through us. Jesus said "This is the work of God...believing in Him who He has sent."
What is the dynamic here?
Why is it so powerful?
Because if we believe this man is God come in the flesh, then we can start believing that this same Jesus is coming in our flesh. It's all the same believing, and the same One Work of God. Out of this come all the streams of the individual things people chase after, and call to God for "More" of.

Proverbs says 4:23 says literally (YLT)Above every charge keep thy heart, For out of it are the outgoings of life.

Have we been duped or are we just talking reality?

Facebook on Wednesday, 30 November 2011 at 13:55

Have we been duped, because we are certainly treated as such....or are we just talking reality?
Imagine me stepping off the plane at Heathrow only to find something had gone wrong and the plane had landed in 1890. "Hello Chris." "Hi." "Where've you just come from?" "Heathrow airport." "What's that? Sounds like somewhere they package and store air?" " No, I mean I've just flown in." "What, like a bird?....." And so on.
Now imagine why we have a problem explaining why there really is only One Life in the Universe to a people brought up in "split view". We were brought up in split view.
Split view ascribes viciousness,bitterness,foul hateful speech and all the rest, equal "airtime" with "being good, kind, inventive,faithful" and lumps them altogether as "human".
But what we are saying is "No. Bitterness. Hateful speech.....etc is not human....you have to be in a completely different spirit mode to even operate these. " Jesus when He was met with "Good Teacher", wriggled out of that one immediately. "You're not slapping that "human separate self myth" on me! There is only One that's good and that is God the Father.
Now , it takes a while to train our senses in these things to be able to distinguish good from evil. To someone in "split view", that sentence means little, because it's pretty obvious what is good and what is bad, so why on earth train your senses for ages? What's that about.
What it's about is to be a "see througher" to spot Trees of Good, from Trees of Life.
Tree of Good is manufactured. I think PCdom is today's illustration par excellence which Christian and non-Christian can understand.
What is soooo good about what Andre is sharing is that Christ's Life is normal to us. In a way we're only calling it Christ's life, because the planet has been invaded. In Genesis 2 and the first bit of Genesis 3 Adam didn't need to go around saying I am living from God's life.
What else was there.
Indeed in real terms in today's universe: What else is there.
From the Caribbeans we learned the phrase : "It's really flowing man!."
(Hard concept for English people with their schedule books).
As a rule of thumb though Africans and South Americans have an innate feel for flow.As the son of two British physics teachers I had to have the Holy Spirit plunge me 3000ft under into the River of God and hold me there kicking and screaming for some time, before I even grasped that such a concept existed.
So what we are speaking is NORMAL LIFE. Non-manipulated life.
By returning to "single -eyed vision", we are declaring that that real life, has everything in it to bring forth Christ in us.
But the difference between split view life and single-eyed life is spelt out in Proverbs 3.
The phrase I am thinking of is this "If we acknowledge HIM in ALL our WAYS".
And this "acknowledging Him" is the single INTERNAL GAZE that is developed over time. Well...in the phrase "train our senses in these things to be able to distinguish good from evil. "
You see the senses are going on up above this. That's why "split view " people cannot understand us, because everything they do goes on at the level of the senses.
The ONLY people that "start" to get us are Buddhists. But as I have written elsewhere they have no inner knowledge of having "died" completely 2000 years ago, and now at our innercore we have been raised already with Christ co seated with Him in heavenly places. Buddhists cannot go there. So in a way they are running quite similar operating systems up above this level of spirit change, as us.... and what we are saying is unique, because we are talking of a total death to death that has happened for us, and we are working out from there.

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  Cathy Rheeder, Louis Darlene Breed, Ben Currin and 3 others like this.
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    Chima Tasie Freeman oh good one.
    

    30 November 2011 at 14:15 ·
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    Chris Welch ‎:)
    

    30 November 2011 at 14:16 · · 1
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    Elaine Kelly Bravo.. sadly I go back and forth.. single split .. I so want to just get there and remain.
    

    1 December 2011 at 06:40 ·
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    Sali Storymaker Wales
    

    i am not sure i would knock the Buddhists if you have no personal recollections of previous life existences - Egyptians have a few major points also to consider. There are other aspects to consider, and as you rightly point out, they may not completely understand your thoughtpoints, and they may feel you also do not understand theirs... does this make them wrong? I only say this as I feel the Buddhists and Egyptians have a lot for us to take note of, and the Pagans too, and not to just dismiss everything because it does quite fit the agenda. just my thoughts.... no offence meant to any religions ... just feel n open mind still needs to be an OPEN mind, (and heart) xxx