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Wednesday, 7 August 2013

Yes I Am 34 - Not Two Powers - Only One

Yes I Am by Norman Grubb
Chapter 34
NOT TWO POWERS - ONLY ONE

In what ways does the Spirit flow out of us as rivers? Have we any clear pointers? Yes, there are two. We shall see that He flows out of us as Spirit through spirit ( Chapters 34-43) and Spirit through body (Chapters 44-51), and we shall see how He does this.

Let us look into the most basic first: the way He flows out through our spirit. That way, of course, is the way of faith, for the Spirit way is the faith way. We shall be foolish if we think we already know plenty about that way. We have hardly begun! We shall soon find, as I have, that there is plenty more to learn and apply through the whole of life.

The faith way is the one and only way by which the Spirit has flowed into us, and it is the one and only way by which He flows out. As I near the end of my days on earth, I have no more fascinating and fruitful occupation than living the life of faith in action. I join not only with those men of Hebrews 11 in their exploits of faith, but also with great men of faith of my earlier years, such as George Muller and Hudson Taylor, from whom I have eagerly picked up invaluable lessons of faith. But crowning all, for me, have been my years of intimacy with that man of faith and intercession, Rees Howells.

It was not now the faith of my own relationship to God in new birth or union that was interesting me. It was faith applied, and applied effectively, to every incident of my daily life; and beyond that, to the lives and needs of all to whom I was and am sent, or who come to me. This required of me, first, a new expansion to my seeing of things. I had learned that before I can believe, I must see what I am to believe. First, see - then believe - single sight, then simple faith. But I had double sight, and that was my confusion. I saw two powers, good and evil - with plenty of evil. How could I bring the evil within reach of effectively believing God is dealing with it?

So my first step of enlarged understanding was to discover the single eye - to step from seeing God personal to God universal. It cost me a year to get this finally and completely settled. Thank God, He put me through that painful period. It has altered all my many years - this seeing and knowing how to believe with no weak spots in any situation - and made me able to help others to do the same. As I say, the change didn’t depend on the believing, but on the knowing what I could believe. There had to be an expansion of my inner understanding before there could be an expansion of believing.

I first had to have a shock - and this was God’s way of shocking me: In the course of my reading, I ran across William James’ Varieties of Religious Experience. As I read, it seemed to me that he was saying that Paul’s conversion was just an inner self-adjustment, not an outward meeting with God on the road to Damascus. I may have misread him, but God meant me to read it like that, for my benefit: a negative to fit me for a total positive! Its effect on me - crazy though it may seem to you of more settled faith - was suddenly to make me wonder whether, after all, there is a human self-sufficiency with no need of God - and perhaps even no God! In other words, I did not have an all-encompassing faith which answered all possible doubts and questionings. But I needed a God with no possibility of a hole in Him.

That sent me on a desperate search. I must have a "total God" or nothing. Indeed, I went so far as to say to God, if there was a God, that I’d had a twenty-year love affair with Him... He was all in all to me… so if He really was phony and nonexistent, I would choose to be phony also, and in my love would cling to Him and be a phony along with Him. Love weathered the storm when the "faith boat" was being rocked. I went through a year’s search with much agony of spirit - believing, yet not believing. I need not go into details, except to say that, helped somewhat by the great mystics in their pursuit of and finding union with God, I too finally had a great inner "recognition" that He is all. That is why I am so strong on that now His being "all" has meant for me, ever since, that whatsoever there is in the universe, of whatever kind - whether good or evil, negative or positive, including Satan and all his works - God is the source of all, for He is the True All, the Alpha and the Omega. (I am not saying at this moment how that can include evil as well as good, but will explain that shortly.) But it became burned in me like a brand that I am one with Him in whom the universe is one. It is like a permanent inner light in me, for He is light... and we are light. Some talk of a "cosmic consciousness," and this became that to me, and I am branded.





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Saturday, 28 January 2012

Real life versus Spiritual life ??????

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by Chris Welch on Wednesday, 25 January 2012 at 12:07
Remember the "too heavenly minded to be of any spiritual use" phrase?
Then we learned Christ Life is Life.
There is ONLY ONE life in the universe.

So what's going on out there in real terms?
Why is the "appearance" that spiritual life and real life are different?Daniel Yordy, Rich Novek, Fred Pruitt,Ole Henrik Skjelstad,Brian Coatney,myself and many many others you know run teaching blogs. I find it incredible that over a 1000 have not so far got rid of me on Facebook. Because the truth is,so called real life, the bill paying life, the financial remuneration side of life, with boards and trusts, and pyramids of power have in REAL terms rejected every single one of us , some for as many as 30 years or more. Yet we would declare that we are preaching the real thing. LIFE.   We might not have every bit of it in articulable form. We believe we have received the whole thing in the Person of Jesus. But as year follows year He keeps peeling off onion layers, and we "see" a completely new bit we never even imagined before, let alone "saw close-up".  In general, Jesus keeps wrecking our theology. But one thing is absoluteley clear: as trustworthy as we feel our revelation is, absolutely no system out there thinks likewise about us. So, without the added comfort of being nicely tithed to, we've had to believe for decades that this LIFE will carry us through financially. And this seems to be how the Melchizedek Order works.

So this tells us immediately "real life", a life sewn up in different forms of pyramids of supply, is somehow different from the LIFE that is central to the Universe.Jesus had no trustee board, or mission organisation that existed apart from Him after He died. Tellingly, any infrastructure that might have existed, went back to their fishing nets straight after his death.  Jesus effectively scuppered their return to "real life", by appearing in resurrection form. It kind of messed up their "real life " from thereon in. Except that "real life" is not the same as LIFE.Life, the Life that sustains the whole universe with His Word of Power, walks right into death and out the otherside, appearing coolly,normally and unflustered, then mistaken in the total non-hype of it all, for a gardner.

Which , the more you think about it, is even more cool still. LIFE, the real stuff....is Soooooo  normal....it's cool.I suppose, Hollywood or Clint Eastwood would have had Jesus coming silently out of the grave, with a cowboy hat and a brim covering his eyes slightly, leaning nonchalantly against the very very heavy rock, now pushed aside, with a Peter Stuvesant cigarette flicked lightly with one finger. Perhaps Jesus missed a trick there.

Or not.

Let's look at Jesus financial system.
He just brought the Word, and believed the Father to supply the necessary to keep every one fed and clothed. -And I guess, all the disciples' wives and kids fed and clothed too.
Many females in high places were donating pretty heavily. But there was no system. There was no pyramid that Jesus had bought into.

He preached about flowers. And He preached about birds of the air. Does this seem stupid?
A clue came when the Israelites demand a King, to be like other nations. God the Father, who could have gone ballistic, because above all, this request was a slap in the face to His own sovereign ability to be everything for the people of God, interestingly,He doesnt mention one bit of this....but just out of other love mentions all the things that having Kings bring.Basically you yield up huge amounts of your energy earning power to support someone that, at the end of the day, does NOTHING FOR YOU, that you as a group moving in the Melchizedek order couldn't do much cheaper for your selves.

THERE IS NO SCARCITY. Listen if God can provide manna supernaturally to supply 2 to 3 million people in a desert, what's the problem in an earth of rich supply, minerally,agriculurally, fishily or any other "ily" as long as nations are prepared to LIVE from the ONE LIFE and supply each other.The LIE of "real life" then is that THERE IS LACK, and ofcourse by believing that lie, we have now created it in real terms, because between us all we have funded Monsanto, we have funded the genome project.
I thought the genome project was about our health. Listen sunshines, since when did our health matter acutely to pyramid powers?  No, the huge sums of money made suddenly and magically available to the genome project so that it was completed in a fraction of the expected time, was about nothing more than greed and control. You see, by controlling the world's food and reproduction, you can create more scarcity, and bring in the ultimate control and the ultimate pyramid of all time. The one Daniel and St John saw....and the one that knocked them to the ground because of it's immense Luciferian power. When they saw the vision, they fell faint. Luckily...they saw the next bit too, which was the awesomely greater power of Jesus Christ lived out of human flesh bodies, in an even greater victory, which knocked them off their feet again....

But are you starting to get the picture?
Real life, control and pyramids   was never real life. The power of Rome over all Israel, and therefore over Jesus was totally real. It had an effect on the Sovereign power of the Universe in human form. But in the end. In the end. Real life was not real life, but just a projected illusion. The projected illusion of Lucifer, manifest in Roman form over the whole of the Mediterranean area.In the end, all of us writers have had to decide what is true LIFE, or this projection called "real life", that for 40-50 years were charismatic churches who rejected each of us in turn. We had to find our own supply, the Living Lord Jesus. And this has been good practice for a pyramid system that started turning very vicious around 2008. It is a lie ofcourse.It's a lie, because ever since I have been converted in 1972, God has spoken through the church that this day would come. That there was never any way that the USA in particular and the UK too, could continue with such debt. And the prophetic voices were continually drowned out by "real life" saying the opposite, until suddenly, the false sustainers of this system, decided to pull the rug in 2008. The time had come.Feminism, whatever it was about in God terms....I for one think that the Church lived like dodos for centuries, not understanding that Jean Darnall, Aimee Semple  McPhersonl,Maria Woodworth Etter,Kathryn Kuhlman,Ruth Heflin, in the Spirit were here to stay...
but in human banker Luciferian terms, feminism was never about women, it was about leveraging the last drops of money out of grossly inflated house collateral, to raise the  necessary dollars for the "black ops" star wars machinery and military and scientific equipment to be able to subjugate every last country to a new world order control system.

1800s Austrian state control, followed by Communism and fascism, were just the localised practise runs. This is the "real life" everyone has funded because they never prayed "Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil" every week anymore since the Masonry designed Enlightenment project began 200 years ago.Wars and rumours of wars: wars killed millions in a sacrifice to Satan, as well as hugely funding totaliterian plans. Atom bombs describe really well the devastation in Revelation and there was a rush to bank away in the Arctic already every kind of seed, for such an eventuality.
Jonah's own prophecy shows God's heart is always for people to get right. His prophecy never got fulfilled, which freaked him out. Prophecies are warnings, but if unheeded, will really work themselves out. For there are not  three realms. The Devil. God. And some benign Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil of "educated folk in between".This Knowledge Tree is our light....which is darkness. The darkness is so great, wily and wondrous, it looks just like light to us. But it's a "huge front organisation" for Darkness. In fact it is the biggest. And Revelation describes all the things it will bring if we do not turn to God's own heart. He will DELIVER US from evil, but only if we choose NOT TO GO THE WAY OF TESTING.

We have a little idea of what that was, with Communism and Fascism. Communism to date, under Stalin and Mao, has caused the world's statiscally greatest famines ever....all in the same century. The same Father of lies is planning much greater statistics.Let's choose REAL LIFE, but this time, the REAL REAL LIFE. The one of no scarcity, like the birds overhead, and the flowers beautifully clothed. The supernaturally Word sustained life, of a relationship with God our Father.
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    • Joan Reilly
      Thank God for Real Life, Chris. We see this "real life" unfolding all around us and don't have any control over it. The past many years it was my belief that I had to do something to save our country, our family, our lives. ...participat...See more

      Wednesday at 15:55 · · 5

    • Rich Novek
      Thank you Chris! Hallelujah! Praise His Name! What a testimony of His Grace and POWER! Anyone hearing this woman, did you just hear what she said? She NOW realizes she can't save anyone, she has gone from being "doing" focused to "bein...See more

      Wednesday at 16:08 · · 3

    • Karla Rae Harper Amen. And I've known Joan when she 'knew' this and when she didn't 'know' this....Believe me....you all would like her much more NOW!! LOL!!!
      Yesterday at 01:04 · · 4

    • Rich Novek Joan is a gem, and God used you to make her shine! Woo Hoo!
      Yesterday at 01:09 ·

    • Rich Novek We have a "Real Life" relationship with a "Real Life" God! And the Light IN us, who is also the Light is blazing and shadowless!
      Yesterday at 01:22 · · 2

    • Joan Reilly The above peeps are greatly greatly appreciated and loved. They have blessed my life in countless ways and they know it.
      Yesterday at 02:59 · · 4

    • Nancy Gilmore This is NOT a direct quote from Norman Grubb, but he said something to this effect; "God 'means' evil to be evil, and He is working THAT together for good, where there is faith." I too see this as "seeing through" to God only.
      Yesterday at 03:44 · · 4

    • Rich Novek Cool Nancy! Another Norman pearl!
      Yesterday at 04:27 · · 2

Monday, 28 June 2010

Jesus and Pilate - Who's in Charge by Brian Coatney


The following article is compiled and edited from The Global Internet Sunday School Class located at Spiritbroadcasting.net.
Top picture mormonmatters.org. Other pictures Zefirelli Jesus of Nazareth film on Youtube.
In our study of John’s Gospel, we're up to Pilate, and he is in a stressful place, but isn't that what life is, the stress of choices? Everyone who encounters Jesus decides something about him, so here is Pilate's first opportunity, and it turns out not to be a happy one for him, though it could have been.



I asked for impressions of Pilate from previous times of reading the gospel story about him, and my friend Phyllis said, “He fell into the trap of people-pleasing to keep his job.”



Pilate wants to know the accusation, and we see from the accusers’ response that they pick up the skepticism in Pilate's question. Pilate obviously thinks not highly of them, so they are quite sarcastic with him too. Pilate wants no part of this, and isn't that the sticky thing about a lot of situations, i.e. that we get confronted with something we want no part of, and the stress is how to dodge it. Pilate would like the whole thing to go off to a Jewish court and leave him alone as things were, but things will not be as they were, for with Jesus, they never are.



The Accusers Hunker Down for Death



The accusers want Pilate to just swallow their bias, and we see that the sticking point is capital punishment: the accusers want Jesus dead, and they cannot do that according to occupation law of the Romans. Wanting Jesus dead, that is fierce. Why do they want him dead? My friend Karen said, “because of who He said He was,” and Phyllis said, “He didn't pet their egos.” Whoo, good points!



Jesus just drives them crazy, to a murderous rage. The word law keeps floating to mind here. Karen said, “They are trying to live under the law,” and Phyllis observed, “It takes humility and honesty to admit that not only are we wrong on a certain point, but we ourselves are wrong.”





What is a Wrong Self?



So what does it mean that we ourselves are wrong? This reminds me of Dan Stone's old talks on Romans, how that the first part of Romans is about sins, and the middle part (Chap 5-7) about sin, so maybe the point is about sins and sin, and the difference. Karen said, “Sins are the fruit of sin.”



Also, in Romans chapter 7, Paul says, "no longer I but sin dwelling in me." So that was a revelation to him that the human isn't the problem, but sin in the human, and in that sense we ourselves have been wrong, but not for the reason we first thought. We start by thinking, "I am a wrong self." When we see what Paul says in Romans chapter 7, we see that it's an operator problem—an indweller problem; but when we are still deceived about that, we think "good self" or "bad self”; and this is how the accusers saw Jesus, and thus the rage, for Jesus claims to be deity, but also human vessel who is operated by his indwelling Father, so that drove the accusers crazy.



Pilate Starts to Really Sweat!



So we have in John 18 a culmination of three years of buildup about who Jesus is, and it has all come to a head in the Father's time here, for Jesus was untouchable until his time. Pilate has picked up that this controversy centers on whether Jesus is king of the Jews, so he asks Jesus about this, but Pilate doesn't seem bothered about whether Jesus is king of the Jews, for he evidently feels secure about Roman control whether the Jews have a king or not. In fact, an open king might be easier to deal with than a guerilla king.



Pilate, though, puts the question directly to Jesus.
After all, life is not about what others think ultimately, but what we think, so Jesus wants to know if Pilate is a real person. How much does he really want to know the truth. Before we know who we are, we are imitators and try to fit in here or there and find out who is boss and what the chain of authority is—the pecking order as the cliché puts it. Jesus threatens every human pecking order and gets at our guts, our insides.



Pilate is very sarcastic, saying, "Am I a Jew?" Yet the deepest questions of life are not about being a Jew. Pilate doesn't catch that this whole conversation is about what it means to be a human, what happens to us when we die, how we live now, what suffering is, and how we connect with God?—all the baseline questions we're meant to ask about life. Pilate isn't asking these questions; it's easier for him to just pawn Jesus off as a cultural difference, as a novelty, a conquered nation’s trivial arguments over law.



Jesus Loves Pilate



Jesus loves him and gives him an opportunity. So what does one do with a king from another world? Pilate starts to smell the coffee here, for he says, "So you are a king?" Now he sees that Jesus is real; he may not think Jesus is correct, but he knows Jesus is real. Real is what is scary to Pilate. and if Jesus is a king, then how does the kingship of Jesus match up with the Romans? Does Jesus really have any authority?



We ordinarily judge by external power, and it appears that Pilate has the power. It often appears that others have the power, and not we. There’s an odd twist here, for Jesus says, "You say that I am a king." Why would he say that to Pilate? It’s an awakening moment of consciousness, for if Pilate really thought that Jesus was a silly joke, a puppet, or a political clown, or a madman—then why would Pilate be so unsettled? Something is hitting center with Pilate, and he doesn't like this moment of awakening to a difficult choice.



I think it's good too, to see this not just as Pilate, though Pilate is a real person who makes a real choice; but we also can see this as a universal script, common to man—what it means to first realize that someone is challenging us that our whole world has been uninformed and that we have lived entirely on false premises.



Will Somebody Tell Me What this is All About?



Here we meet, too, the mystery of freedom, for I never have known why I seek and others don't. Everyone has sickness, pain, death, broken families, etc; and some come to God, and others trudge on and don't ask eternal questions. Why one seeks, and one does not is a mystery to me—the mystery of freedom.



Pilate has the opportunity to see himself as simply a member of the human family, the lost human family, and to be just a regular person who needs a drink of water as it were—not some special person who is above other people. Can Pilate come down to just being a vessel? When I finally broke, in 1993, I was ready to just be a vessel, not some special this or that, just fundamentally a person. So we need the truth about what that means.



Jesus now is bold to say that he, Jesus, came into the world (implying from another world) to specifically tell us the truth—about what it means to be a person. So Jesus tells Pilate that he, Jesus, is the chosen one to speak this truth. Pilate must have wanted to fall over at this one: what do you do when an ordinary human being stands before you and says that he is a king and came into the world to proclaim the truth about what it means to be a person? Not only that, Jesus says that everyone who seeks truth listens to him.



Yet he is a nobody, this Jesus—an obscure uneducated Nazarene, born of a virgin if one can take that. This is not what Pilate wanted after his morning coffee, to have to deal with angry Jews wanting someone dead, and then that person being a king who tells us the truth, and was sent from heaven to do that.




Truth and Dodge Ball



Pilate asks a flip question, "What is truth?" but he really wants to dodge the whole thing,

and he is scared to explore what Jesus is really about, so he tries another strategy. Surely the accusers wouldn't choose to have Barabbas on the streets again, but lo they would! Pilate is desperately trying to extricate himself, wanting to get this resolved without killing Jesus, but will he be able to negotiate that? This is a good look at how the flesh desperately tries to work itself out of a jam.



Flesh on both sides wants something: the Jewish leaders on the one hand, Pilate on the other—flesh against flesh, and no way out on this one. It's a good example of how flesh cannot solve flesh, and underneath it's not flesh in the skin and bones sense, but devilish wills at war, a house divided—Satan against Satan, and there Jesus stands above all of that, from another world, the world of truth, not different from the nations today.



Pilate tries scourging and humiliation. I hadn't thought of this, but the crown of thorns and the purple robe are a mock by the Romans, as if to say, "So what if he were your king; what difference would it make to us? Rome is in control." That's a ploy to put things back on the Jews, to mock them really that it doesn't matter if they have a king or not, except to themselves, and it's not a capital concern of the empire. It is a Roman message, "I have defeated your king."



When One Tries to Negotiate with Satan



Pilate hoped these measures would deflate the Jewish leaders. However, it incited them more. The ploy backfired, and the sharks smelled the blood. This is a good lesson too on what happens when trying to pacify a terrorist. It never works. Talking down a terrorist can't work; only a new creation can work, a replacement of natures, a new Spirit inside: and we are all terrorists until that, capable of anything. I terrorized my three siblings growing up, terrorized classmates in school, did power plays on any that would take it. The script here is universal in scope and applies to all ages everywhere.



There’s no way to talk down or temper the nature of Satan in a person; only a new birth will do. No wonder Jesus didn't negotiate for himself; he knew what it would take to save us.



We know the cry: "Crucify him!" Pilate says for them to do it, knowing it’s illegal; is he serious? What would he have done if they had? I imagine he would have executed the perpetrators—relieved that killing Jesus was not his doing and yet glad that the foment was over.



But the Lord isn't thru with His witness to Pilate, for the Jews say Jesus should die because he "made himself the son of God." There it is again—the whole crux. Pilate knows there’s something to this, or else he would have laughed it off. But he can't; he's spooked. He feels great fear.



There’s Only One Power in the Universe



It is good to feel this kind of fear, not as permanent, but to seek, and seek Pilate does, though briefly. What a question he asks Jesus: "Where are you from?" I can hear the echoes of that all the way to the bottom: Pilate senses another world, one he's accountable to way bigger than Rome. This is about the One who made us, to whom we all give account, the high and holy King of all. And there he stands in human form.



Note that Jesus does not answer, only silence, and that can be quite a reproof. The silence at times of my old mentor Norman Grubb was deafening when I asked the wrong question. Issues are often in the tone of the question: it's not like Pilate asked where Jesus was from because he wanted to embrace such a place, but because he was afraid of Jesus and didn't want to know about some new and open door to truth. Pilate held onto himself and was offended at this silence from Jesus.



"How can you not answer me?" he thinks. That's our offense when we've been flesh people: "How can you do such and such to me?" Pilate’s acting out of self-for-self and a supposed independent I, which is really Satan underneath. Jesus’ answer is two pronged: first, Pilate's power is given to him. Whooo! What a load that statement is: evil perpetrators have no power of their own.



This used to offend me to hear, that there is one power. I wanted to gnash against evil. Jesus tells Pilate that Pilate has only the power given him, which is to say it doesn't come from Rome but from above. What a statement for Pilate to hear.



Jesus also says that the Jewish leaders have the greater sin. Obviously from the text, we can tell that this pierced Pilate badly, like a javelin to the gut; he is reeling, as he should be. This is God's great good toward Pilate: God gives him a wonderful opportunity, and that's the strange thing about opportunities—they look like afflictions and trials, but they are opportunities. Temptations are also opportunities. Everything is opportunity. Yikes, we don't want to hear that at first.



What the Devil Means for Evil, God Means for Good



Even when we think a thing is the devil trying to get us to do something wrong, the greater picture is the opportunity for faith, to see God in control. However, Pilate chooses only to see the threat to himself, rather than choose by faith the opportunity to see a whole new world.



Here’s the familiar script: Christ or Caesar, pick one—man or God, and we know what choosing man has at its root, Satan. And think of the risk for Pilate if he lets Jesus go free—all kinds of complications when the Jews complain to Caesar, all kinds of explaining for Pilate to do, maybe lose his job, get accused of not being willing to kill an obscure Jew in order to keep the peace, especially a Jew who says he is a king. All this is a day's political work in the world, but how desperately terrible are the consequences of that thinking.



Yet, this is the plan that from God's end saves those who believe.



Pilate tries one more time: "Here is your king." "Shall I crucify your king?" The accusers utter the unthinkable to a Jew. Really, it is the unthinkable, but they hate Jesus badly enough to blaspheme by saying, “We have no king but Caesar.”



Who are the Real Founding Fathers of Freedom?



We’re going to visit our family in Boone, NC soon via Sylvia Pearce’s, and then visit

Monticello in Virginia, Thomas Jefferson's home, close also to the university he helped found, UVA. Jefferson was a humanist, but he had quite a home place—great architecture and history to visit; but Jefferson is not the real father of liberty. Sadly, it's possible to love American freedoms and totally miss Christ, thus making liberty not real liberty.



The real Declaration of Independence will always be Romans 1-8. That's the real constitution and declaration. Paul is the real founding father; the apostles are the real founding fathers. That's why their names are on the twelve gates of pearl in the city of God, the New Jerusalem, the heavenly city.



So, who’s in charge? You tell me.