1And concerning the spiritual things, brethren, I do not wish you to be ignorant;
2ye have known that ye were nations, unto the dumb idols -- as ye were led -- being carried away;
3wherefore,
I give you to understand that no one, in the Spirit of God speaking,
saith Jesus [is] anathema, and no one is able to say Jesus [is] Lord,
except in the Holy Spirit.
4And there are diversities of gifts, and the same Spirit;
5and there are diversities of ministrations, and the same Lord;
6and there are diversities of workings, and it is the same God -- who is working the all in all.
7And to each hath been given the manifestation of the Spirit for profit;
Verse 1.Notice "spirituals", or "spiritities"...or whatever group word we would say now to capture this, and generally Bibles say spiritual gifts....are considered normal enough that an apostle doesnt want anyone to be ignorant.
We want to "run" our Christian life, basically as the knowledge of how we can receive forgiveness and cleansing in the Blood of Jesus, and go charging around telling everybody, and the Holy Spirit ruins it by wanting to be there amongst us as we gather, and wants Jesus to be the Lord of everything we say, every revelation we have, every idea we have for advancing the gospel, every thought about who we are, every plan for the future because He sees the end from the beginning....
Yes....in short...He wants to wreck how every church over the whole globe operates. Because sure as anything, they dont operate from spiritual gifts, and if they do, it's people having visions of tangerine jellies floating mid air like UFOs round Tescos. You may laugh. I am very very tired of the pentecostal /charismatic realm that haven't even decided yet whether Jesus is Lord of their lives.
Verse 2.
The last 10 weeks or so have been spent understanding more about this verse.
ye were nations, unto the dumb idols -- as ye were led -- being carried away;
You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols.NIV
2You know that when you were heathen, you were led off after idols that could not speak [habitually] as impulse directed and whenever the occasion might arise.AMP
Now we dont have "dumb idols", representations of gods and goddesses, routinely scattered as in India. We do have Greek gods. We do have subtle logos and corporation references to these things.
We do not have big penis substitutes sticking up all over the place in the form of Baal gods.
But the default of our supposedly "independent state", as gods in our own right, lead us to
using the F word, as our Baal empowering substitute.
This even appears now among Christians as OMFG.
We also swear by the name of the Lord. So the more we are godless, the more we swear by Him. Go figure.
Ofcourse "our independent stance", this delusion we picked up as a virus in Genesis 3, isnt independent at all, and is as this verse says, being led astray to worship in some form or another, Baal, or to curse the Living God who is totally good, and who instead, is worthy of our praise and thanks.
Verse 3.So what Paul is saying is, just as it was natural, it was default, for us to drift along being led by evil spirits into their worship, even when we were hardly conscious of where we were being led to,
so it's the same kind of facility for us if we have really been reborn by the Spirit of the Lord, and properly received His Spirit, so, particularly as we gather together in His Name, it is natural for us to be led by this same Spirit. Only you wouldn't know if you went in most churches.Most churches do not preach being born again properly. Nor being baptised in this wonderful Holy Spirit.
We cannot address these demon spirits, or curse or "anathema" our Lord in the Holy Spirit. Only by the Holy Spirit can we say Jesus is Lord.
Only the Holy Spirit can take us through the Lord's Prayer as developed in this post.
I said that I'd been learning more about verse two, but the things I have written above are not what I have been learning. My Old Amersham Baptist Church. Some input from Lance Lambert in Exeter. Some aspects of teaching through Sam Fife and the Move. Even a very strong prophetic Word all of a sudden through Jorge Pradas about Patagonia.But mostly people like Barry Smith, Grant Jeffrey at the Morris Cerullo conferences. I refer to those with their eyes open to the rise of the New World Order.
But what I have seen is this: in the Lord's prayer when it says Lead us NOT into the time of testing/temptation, but deliver us from evil.... is directly connected to the amount we can say like Jesus in the upper room,
"the devil has no landing places in me." Jesus said that after 33 years of testing as the Mark 2 model of Adam. A new species called the Son of Man.
I return to the Holy Spirit being able to say through us Jesus is Lord.
It is the Holy Spirit who wanders through our inner rooms as in Ezekiel 8:10 to discover every last scrawling, every last idol picture, or strange animal desire, on our walls. This is the function of the middle section of the Lord's prayer.
It IS ONLY the Spirit of the Lord that can say Jesus is Lord in us, over everything. If there is still a "hook" in us, Jesus is not Lord. And come the day of evil, as Judas found, his lust for money was hooked into, and he was forced to yield his own Rabbi and friend, up for questioning, torture and death.
Demons are just the same. We only have the facade of things being more modern. Chinese authorities still torture Christians. So do many secular authorities
nations, unto the dumb idols -- as ye were led -- being carried away
Darkness works in nation blocks. Paul was called to bring the nations to the obedience of faith. Darkness creates structures in the shape of pyramids with which to manipulate, control, and lead via dumb idols to the worship of the devil. The ultimate form will be Lucifer enthroned, probably at Jerusalem, sitting as head of all the world's governments.
From Genesis 3, through the phony trial of Jesus we see the same kind of manipulations of people's weaknesses and lust to be gods in their own right.
Whether we watch the film The Firm, the John Grisham tale with Tom Cruise.
Whether we look into Freemasonry.
Whether we look into witchcraft, which may begin as white witchcraft, or perhaps merely Cabbalism.
Whether we look into Scientology at the UK base I was invited to at East Grinstead as a prospective job
Whether we even look at a very every day scenario of a market trader hooking people in to his offers.
Everything is about hooking. Then when you are in too deep, you feel you cannot leave.
The hooks are sexual secrets, tastes,scandals. Or even worse, causing you to witness terrible crime that implicates the watcher, so he or she feels trapped. All the US Presidents were in Skull and Bones in Yale, where their sexual fantasies were all exposed, and they feel obliged to be willing participators in the conspiracies.
In the case of a market trader, one I watched, reeled you in and in, gaining the trust of the public with better and better deals, raising his game ever higher, until in one final run, he gets everyone to commit about a hundred pounds each to what could have only cost him £20 or less of bankrupt goods.
For centuries now, we have thrown aside church, God, and His ways, and more recently all forms of prayer. And mankind has been duped into "trusting" his leftbrain, parameter reading approach to life....in short , living almost totally from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Now like Samson, totally blinded by this Enlightenment Delilah, people in the West are totally unaware that they have funded
All the wars on every side, to create yet more profit for the same banking men. They have paid for the holocausts to Satan...the killing of innocents...as a giant world scrifice to him. They are unaware that democracy is meaningless, since it is all run by the same cabals, who set up groups like Skull and Bones.
All this has taken place, outside view, but perfectly legalised, because no nation anywhere takes seriously the twoline prayer of Jesus
lead me not into testing
but deliver me from evil
and by default are carried away, by the Independence spirit, the "live as our own gods" lie, the Genesis 3 delusion that there is such a state....
and too late they have constructed an enormous Tower of Babel, except this time there is no escape. Because this time they willingly let Reagan and Thatcher sign up to a Star Wars treaty, whereby whole enormous sections of budget are given to Black Ops. The whole Cold War scenario was set up with this as the End Game. Nobody who rules any country has the first clue of what is up in space. He signed away his right to know to covert military forces.
But if the dollar bill has on one side an incomplete pyramid,with an unjoined capstone, which is about to be completed in the New World Order, you also need to know that there is another capstone.
This is the capstone Zechariah 4:7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain; and he shall bring forth the top stone with shoutings of Grace, grace, unto it.
The key to the passage is the two grace cry.
For centuries the church has had the one grace cry, of forgiveness in the Blood of Jesus. but nobody could live the Christian life. The second grace comes from a generation so frustrated with the rubbish Christianity out there and in our own lives, we rediscovered a Holy Spirit Christianity, but then, as the generation of Jacob we continued up the mount, determined to find the missing piece, that only comes out of the experience of Romans chapters six and seven.
We can now say with authority that Christianity works. It is Jesus own life in us that makes it work. But we needed the Holy Spirit searching all our dark chambers to find the areas of our life that weren't saying "Jesus is Lord."
Now, we have a challenge. If Jesus is insisting on the topstone, the capstone being put into place: which as the prophecy I was given in the glory conference 3 years ago was that
He was moving heaven's furniture into the right positions. Including His own right to rule in the Order of Melchizedek. Then there will be no more room for Satan in the heavenlies, and he will have to "come down to earth, and operate here for he knows his time is short".
In the Body of Christ we have no choice about the way we are to operate. It is "each part supplying." We have enjoyed our fragmented Christ, which is actually an idol, because He is not fragmented.
12 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by[c] one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many.
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Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong
to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 16
And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to
the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 17
If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If
the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23
and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special
honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special
modesty, 24 while our
presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body
together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
Facebook Note :Founded Upon What by Chris Welch
Get your bifocals out and/magnifying glass and read this from Ephesians 2
but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.
Then read this from Vic Tor in Entering the heart of God....group
Vic Tor :God has a building plan. Lord Jesus is the corner stone. The apostles and prophets are foundation. The church above that. The present day church is not according to the original blueprint. Eph 2; 20;
This is my answer
Do you know the church is NOT founded and held in place by apostles and prophets. It is founded on the supernatural Word brought through those servants which is the LivingChrist Himself. it is maintained in the Order in which Jesus lives and rules : the Melchizedek Order. If it was founded upon apostles and prophets I would have to ask them and phone them up to see whether I could eat baked beans for my tea tonight.
In this note I continue:
Unlike the gentiles in their pyramids we are as Jack Fortenberry points out, not to "Lord it over one another as is the habit of the gentiles".
The verse Vic points out is right next to some clarifying verses to make it clear that verse 20 is not on its own in meaning.
1. We are fellow citizens. Right here, the entire edifice of the the Catholic and Anglican, and all subsequent frameworks crumble into dust. Fellow citizens. See Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola. And "Corinthian Elders" by Jack Fortenberry.
2.built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets. This clearly DOES NOT mean built on the apostles and the prophets. But built on the foundation they were used to bring in.
What's that?
Well the verse kindly says.
Jesus. The chief cornerstone.
So how does the Church grow?
The verse kindly says.
In Him, the whole building rises (simultaneously_ meaning) to become a holy temple...active sense...in the Lord...who ofcourse is a Living Lord.
And then if verse 21 could e construed as a bit waffly, Paul does what I do, and writes it out again in different words, so by taking the common threads of verse 21 and 22, there can be no doubt as to what he is saying.
verse 22 :And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.
Well, it's not quite the same. Verse 21 is about the "corporate". Verse 22 is about you as an individual...being built together...compacted with others...but In Him.
You can be compacted with others in the Name of Methodism. Or Anglicanism. But if it is not in Him. It just isnt the church. Because the church is supernatural, and moves entirely based upon and through the power of its relation with the Living Son of God.
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Chris WelchWhen one body system is down,like an alcohol overloaded liver, all the delicate fluid and system balances which are naturally maintained within the body, are endangered. Division keeps the Body of Christ in a desperate condition. Teaching centres are starved of love ministries.Prophetic centres are starved of teaching. Most of the church is starved of true worship where the genuine Holy joyful awesome Presence of the Lord brings true freedom. Evangelists are squeezed out. True pastors are chained in boxes by performance pyramid pastors. Yet the truth is, Christ in His multi membered Body builds His whole Body simultaneously, like a real body. One of the most genuine boons of Facebook is there are no Pyramid apostles or pastors able to do anything to mess it up.
Chris Welch
Whereas your church grouping probably only runs on 4 out of the 12 streams of revelation.So, in what way are you telling me you gather round the TRUTH.You've got Francois DuToit and Andre Rabe doing a fantastic job on the book of Mark, that is man functioning as man should, as first designed by God. But get them into the prophetic, they are hopelessly lost. You've got Evangelist Benjamin Bennet pulling people into the Kingdom, but try cornering him on Genesis 3 and in what way people really are screwed up, and how most Christians remain screwed up, he won't have a clue. He's never been anywhere near anyone that would know. That's what I'm saying. Everyone's adherence to what they call truth is the very Darkness keeping everyone apart .
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Chris Welch We build Christ the way we want him to be.Which is according to our personality traits and giftings. Christ is unfortunately the Risen Christ of revelation outside of boxes like spiritual, and material, being equally at home in ALL,simultaneously. What we are building unless in,by,of the Spirit is mere icons,idol worship. Jesus is the ALL in ALL or He is not Christ. He doesn't give us any choice in the matter.
So as I've been having my hernia op, which like my pyloric stenosis op is a physical picture of what is happening in the Body of Christ.
Namely moving from a Body that doesnt digest Word,to a Body that digests right through to physical manifestation.
The verse that says, in my mouth it tastes sweet as honey, but in my stomach is bitter.
Well the church has loved the sweet bit, and kept sicking it up with a bad case of bulimia, not realising you didnt need to be on some kind of "honey high" from repeatedly ingesting Word...
because as it says in John 7....if this drink is drunk properly, or if this meat is digested properly it has LIFE within itself....because it is Christ's OWN ETERNAL LIFE, welling up...err..er... as it says to eternity.
So during this period I've been looking at what the "sons of Issachar have had to say", who, as a more inwardly receiving kind of chap, would normally give short shrift to. And in that way I have said to them, because you are an eye, and perhaps I'm a stomach, I have no need of you.
But I've looked also at how, by NOT praying the Lord's prayer properly in the Spirit, by default, we are entertaining the same demons that continue quite happily murdering innocents and building the New World Order.
Then finally, we've seen , if this is the time of the capstone, then we had better take seriously how God builds His Body. No more excuses. So here's a final thought.
Ephesians 2:21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.
Notice how this virtually identical idea was reworked twice for further clarity in two verses, notice how despite this NOT ONE DENOMINATIONAL CHURCH, NOR ANY EVANGELICAL INDEPENDENTS, NOR ANY CHARISMATIC CHURCHES ANYWHERE ON THE GLOBE PAY A BLIND BIT OF NOTICE. They are all Pyramid operations ascribing an office to a ministry that cannot fundamentally handle such an office, since it is more a father caring role. The Kingdom is not a pyramid operation. It is a Kingdom of fellow citizens. What more must we say to Anglicans with cotton wool in their ears?
