Showing posts with label Distinct sound. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Distinct sound. Show all posts
Thursday, 23 January 2014
Sounds and Shulammites
39 years ago some of us heard a sound, some heard it live, some heard it on tape(yup remember those?). That sound was of thousands of male church leaders, or shepherds, getting a glimpse of just how vast and how all encompassing was the victory that Jesus won, both on the cross, and ofcourse as He stepped out of the tomb, then subsequently ascended into glory. Yes, there were thousands of male voices making a loud sound...but that happens every week in sports stadiums the world over. But no. This was a crossover sound. A roar from behind the veil. The roar of the Lamb /Lion of Judah transmitted through overwhelmed hearts...like a trumpet announcement that we had all better get ready, because the Word of God is still on track....and though appearances over the recent decades, the great wars,the communist takeovers, appeared to say otherwise, nope....the Word of God was still on course, and the Kingdom Plan was unfolding perfectly as described. In the West we have been blessed in one sense, but psychologically these have been some of the darkest years on planet earth.
But that sound, if you had heard it you would understand what I mean, has carried a whole generation of us as the world's media has divebombed into the foulest language and thought forms, and we have reminded ourselves and kept ourselves for these very times. Times not just of Spirit outpuring that we knew then, but times when the secret of how you live fulltime in the River of God has started to be voiced. the secret of Galations 2:20. The secret of a worship Jesus described in John 4, when it would neither be this mountain nor that one, but that all would worship in Spirit and in truth. Or as an OT prophet wrote..."the pots and pans"....the Le Creuset set, would cry Holy to the Lord. The gathering of a such a people will birth a Roar like the Earth has never heard.
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Tunji Ayoade HEY! CHRIS, BLESS JESUS' HEART FOR YOU! For you have written what is at the core of the Son for His Sons and the nations of the Gentiles that are garthered around the lights of Zion! God bless Chris. My dear brother, Chris, I love you, Chris.
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What is a Dance before two armies? The Shulammite in Song of Songs.
Watchman Nee flagged this up in his book.
It's where I deliberately target an Armenian with the Sovereignty of God, while making it clear I'm not a Calvinist. And it's where I deliberately target a Calvinist with "Go out and make disciples", because you know the Calvinist demonic spirit has long paralysed them from going out and doing anything....ooooh it might not be the Lord's will.
All artists tend to do the Dance before two Armies without labelling at as such, and really anybody who follows the Spirit will be teasing Republicans and Democrats out from their "idees fixes". The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is like the Wicked Witch in Narnia, turning everybody to ice and stone. You become fixed in your little leftbrain image of truth, and you throw out Jesus the Living One who dances between all the candlesticks.
Friday, 20 September 2013
A Distinct Sound 1 :Homosexuality and Women in the church
Facebook Note 5th September 2013AC Welch
6 But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit you unless I speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or of prophecy or of teaching? 7 Yet even lifeless things, either flute or harp, in producing a sound, if they do not produce a distinction in the tones, how will it be known what is played on the flute or on the harp? 8 For if the [c]bugle produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle? 9 So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. 10 There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of [d]languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning. 11 If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be to the one who speaks a [e]barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a [f]barbarian [g]to me. 12 So also you, since you are zealous of [h]spiritual gifts, seek to abound for the edification of the church.
Looking at the title you think, aha, Chris is going make a distinct point from the Law that homosexuality is wrong and Women should know their place.
Looking at the scripture is even more puzzling, because you'd think, ah, this is about the use of tongues in the church.
Well it's more about what the first three words say : A distinct sound.
Let's backtrack. This writer was brought up in a very leftbrain way by two physics teachers and we all attended a leftbrain Methodist church. The methodism of the 60s was running very close if not in parallel with Anglican Bishops. There probably wasn't a resurrection, and who knows, possibly not a God. So after 12 years of this I reached puberty and did a completely rational thing with all this input. I became an atheist.
Methodism had, to say the least, a very indistinct sound.
The devil fought tooth and nail through me NOT to attend places where born again people gathered, but by virtue of my schoolfriend's persistance, I did finally agree to attend a Billy Graham film shown at a monthly evangelistic youth meeting. This was the first DISTINCT Spirit sound I'd heard in my life. And funnily enough I responded immediately, because I'd found atheism so utterly depressing.
The next distinct SPIRIT SOUND was not human. 6 weeks later a whole load of young people were being prayed for to receive the baptism in the Spirit. I'd started to be filled....but then I received this strong inner indication that I should shout Hallelujah as loud as I could. It was a quiet suburban estate house near London. Although not quite Stepford Wives , it really felt like it. I knew that if I obeyed that inner prompt my whole life future would "wipe" and I would by that act be writing a new one. I can still feel the fear pressing on me, the strong pressure to conform, to uphold my upbringing by sane parents that had taught Kofi Annan. (Stepford Wives and Kofi Annan is ofcourse retrospect...but it conveys inwardly what was going on.)
The FIRE of the HOLY SPIRIT literally blew my little 13 year old life apart, in that room, on that day. Like an early Toronto Experience, people supported me as I staggered back down the stairs of my friends' house. Everybody commented on glory being on my face. The following term I took this fire into school with me and we had a small revival.
Here are some distinct Spirit sounds after this.
Now I use the expression Third Level, but I might just as easily say Holiest Place, or Third Feast /Feast of Tabernacles.
It is the Shekinah Glory Fire that sits above the Mercy Seat
It is the Message of Christ, the Living Christ in you
It is the fire that burned in the disciples as Jesus shared on the road into Emmaus
It is THE Christianity that has cut out the MIDDLE MAN of Genesis 3, the delusion of an independent self, a go between, a middle way between you and a distant God
It is God come home to roost...or as the scriptures say...come to His habitation....or the earth properly as His footstool, where He can abide and put His feet up.
I'm giving all my prophetic secrets away, which means unlike John Paul Jackson, Graham Cooke and Rick Joyner I now cannot sell my DVD secrets for money, because you've had them free. But one of my secrets is I am listening for this distinct trumpet call sound from behind the veil in everything that Christendom produces. As you know, up until this time period you could go to years and years of Christian meetings and never hear it.
So, just as you are giving up all hope of me reaching my points, that is the foundation of this post. Onto which I now bring the subjects of homosexuality and women.
Let's do women first.
These have both been issues in our Anglican Church.
I say, forget concerning yourselves with women almost.
it is [n]improper for a woman to speak in church.
Let's rewrite that...it is improper for anybody but the MAN Jesus Christ to speak through any God dwelt container be it male or female. Only Jesus Christ. Only Shekinah Fire. Only the third level message. Only galations 2:20. Only the MALE DIVINE SPERM OR SEED OF GOD is going to impregnate God's only Holy Bride such that when her time is due this Genesis 12 WOMAN shall bring forth after her own Divine Kind....SONS OF GOD.
No waffling man or woman, still searching vainly in his or her leftbrain is going to bring forth that FIRM CLEAR BUGLE SOUND that calls forth Spirit in the earth.
Do you understand that is my beef with women who speak. They better have the MAN JESUS CHRIST speaking out of them, because any male can make an indistinct farting bugle sound that doesn't bring forth man nor beast, why compound the problem still further with elements of the spirit of Jezebel? It's hard enough to get the male flesh Ahabs moving off their couches to begin with, why compound the issue with flowery waffling women? UNLESS...UNLESS....those women are bursting through the veil FROM the HOLIEST PLACE very very PREGNANT with MALE SEED WORD. Jean Darnall and Ruth Heflin both went through hell as pioneers after Amy Semple Macpherson, and other notables who have led revival. But "a gift makes way for itself".
Homosexuality. 2 brief points.
Anybody who has heard the torture of the heart of someone that genuinely loves God but was born with a love for the same sex, and their subsequent brushes with heartless LAW preaching, with no real impartation of the Person of Jesus Christ....hears the sound of a "bruised reed you shall not break". Ouch and Mega Ouch.
Point two is the opposite.
I have never yet heard a homosexual or lesbian to my knowledge have a DISTINCT SPIRIT SOUND when preaching. The sound of Jesus Christ from beyond the veil. Tinged with Shekinah glory. Maybe I just havent met the right person yet.
Any idiot heterosexual or homosexual can lead an Anglican meeting liturgy....it's worship by numbers, worship by process in a canned meat factory. It is a fact that many high up bishops openly have second lives as druids, and less openly as witches. A converted witch told us decades ago. The Compromise is so great in State churches anywhere that anyone having a Distinct sound will be immediately put out and seen off. A DISTINCT SOUND comes from the grace work of Jesus in a soul. It is not humanly produced. A man's message comes out of his own story of God saving him or her by grace alone. People want a ministry because they desire a certain credibility, but the TRUTH AS A DISTINCT SOUND gets you removed or squeezed out as quick as Jesus was from the Temple and synagogues. Salvation isn't apart from us like some theological philosophy, it's us having caught the fire from the heavenly altar.
6 But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit you unless I speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or of prophecy or of teaching? 7 Yet even lifeless things, either flute or harp, in producing a sound, if they do not produce a distinction in the tones, how will it be known what is played on the flute or on the harp? 8 For if the [c]bugle produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle? 9 So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. 10 There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of [d]languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning. 11 If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be to the one who speaks a [e]barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a [f]barbarian [g]to me. 12 So also you, since you are zealous of [h]spiritual gifts, seek to abound for the edification of the church.
Looking at the title you think, aha, Chris is going make a distinct point from the Law that homosexuality is wrong and Women should know their place.
Looking at the scripture is even more puzzling, because you'd think, ah, this is about the use of tongues in the church.
Well it's more about what the first three words say : A distinct sound.
Let's backtrack. This writer was brought up in a very leftbrain way by two physics teachers and we all attended a leftbrain Methodist church. The methodism of the 60s was running very close if not in parallel with Anglican Bishops. There probably wasn't a resurrection, and who knows, possibly not a God. So after 12 years of this I reached puberty and did a completely rational thing with all this input. I became an atheist.
Methodism had, to say the least, a very indistinct sound.
The devil fought tooth and nail through me NOT to attend places where born again people gathered, but by virtue of my schoolfriend's persistance, I did finally agree to attend a Billy Graham film shown at a monthly evangelistic youth meeting. This was the first DISTINCT Spirit sound I'd heard in my life. And funnily enough I responded immediately, because I'd found atheism so utterly depressing.
The next distinct SPIRIT SOUND was not human. 6 weeks later a whole load of young people were being prayed for to receive the baptism in the Spirit. I'd started to be filled....but then I received this strong inner indication that I should shout Hallelujah as loud as I could. It was a quiet suburban estate house near London. Although not quite Stepford Wives , it really felt like it. I knew that if I obeyed that inner prompt my whole life future would "wipe" and I would by that act be writing a new one. I can still feel the fear pressing on me, the strong pressure to conform, to uphold my upbringing by sane parents that had taught Kofi Annan. (Stepford Wives and Kofi Annan is ofcourse retrospect...but it conveys inwardly what was going on.)
The FIRE of the HOLY SPIRIT literally blew my little 13 year old life apart, in that room, on that day. Like an early Toronto Experience, people supported me as I staggered back down the stairs of my friends' house. Everybody commented on glory being on my face. The following term I took this fire into school with me and we had a small revival.
Here are some distinct Spirit sounds after this.
- The night Pastor Wurmbrand came to preach at the Baptist Church but said the Lord forbade him to talk on Communist cells anymore. He talked non stop on Romans 8.
- the tape recording of Ern Baxter at the Shepherd's Conference in Kansas 1975 Thy Kingdom Come brought back to Germany by my German friend Martin. LH column of my blog on audio mp3
- the many times I heard Ern Baxter after that ....the Lakes : on Saul and David, Capel : on Covenant Love between David and Jonathan. The Dales Bible week on leaving Egypt,going through the wilderness,going into the Land
- R. Edward Miller....Google him the man behind the 1950s Argentine revival
- Two messages in person given by Mother Basilea Schlink: Seek the Face of the God of Jacob as at Peniel,Go the Way of the Lamb it is a way of Great Power
- Many key messages by Sam Fife,Eldred Linden,John Clarke (Third Feast messages)
- The Book Yes I Am by Norman Grubb serialised last month on my blog
- The music of Keith Green
Now I use the expression Third Level, but I might just as easily say Holiest Place, or Third Feast /Feast of Tabernacles.
It is the Shekinah Glory Fire that sits above the Mercy Seat
It is the Message of Christ, the Living Christ in you
It is the fire that burned in the disciples as Jesus shared on the road into Emmaus
It is THE Christianity that has cut out the MIDDLE MAN of Genesis 3, the delusion of an independent self, a go between, a middle way between you and a distant God
It is God come home to roost...or as the scriptures say...come to His habitation....or the earth properly as His footstool, where He can abide and put His feet up.
I'm giving all my prophetic secrets away, which means unlike John Paul Jackson, Graham Cooke and Rick Joyner I now cannot sell my DVD secrets for money, because you've had them free. But one of my secrets is I am listening for this distinct trumpet call sound from behind the veil in everything that Christendom produces. As you know, up until this time period you could go to years and years of Christian meetings and never hear it.
So, just as you are giving up all hope of me reaching my points, that is the foundation of this post. Onto which I now bring the subjects of homosexuality and women.
Let's do women first.
These have both been issues in our Anglican Church.
I say, forget concerning yourselves with women almost.
it is [n]improper for a woman to speak in church.
Let's rewrite that...it is improper for anybody but the MAN Jesus Christ to speak through any God dwelt container be it male or female. Only Jesus Christ. Only Shekinah Fire. Only the third level message. Only galations 2:20. Only the MALE DIVINE SPERM OR SEED OF GOD is going to impregnate God's only Holy Bride such that when her time is due this Genesis 12 WOMAN shall bring forth after her own Divine Kind....SONS OF GOD.
No waffling man or woman, still searching vainly in his or her leftbrain is going to bring forth that FIRM CLEAR BUGLE SOUND that calls forth Spirit in the earth.
Do you understand that is my beef with women who speak. They better have the MAN JESUS CHRIST speaking out of them, because any male can make an indistinct farting bugle sound that doesn't bring forth man nor beast, why compound the problem still further with elements of the spirit of Jezebel? It's hard enough to get the male flesh Ahabs moving off their couches to begin with, why compound the issue with flowery waffling women? UNLESS...UNLESS....those women are bursting through the veil FROM the HOLIEST PLACE very very PREGNANT with MALE SEED WORD. Jean Darnall and Ruth Heflin both went through hell as pioneers after Amy Semple Macpherson, and other notables who have led revival. But "a gift makes way for itself".
Homosexuality. 2 brief points.
Anybody who has heard the torture of the heart of someone that genuinely loves God but was born with a love for the same sex, and their subsequent brushes with heartless LAW preaching, with no real impartation of the Person of Jesus Christ....hears the sound of a "bruised reed you shall not break". Ouch and Mega Ouch.
Point two is the opposite.
I have never yet heard a homosexual or lesbian to my knowledge have a DISTINCT SPIRIT SOUND when preaching. The sound of Jesus Christ from beyond the veil. Tinged with Shekinah glory. Maybe I just havent met the right person yet.
Any idiot heterosexual or homosexual can lead an Anglican meeting liturgy....it's worship by numbers, worship by process in a canned meat factory. It is a fact that many high up bishops openly have second lives as druids, and less openly as witches. A converted witch told us decades ago. The Compromise is so great in State churches anywhere that anyone having a Distinct sound will be immediately put out and seen off. A DISTINCT SOUND comes from the grace work of Jesus in a soul. It is not humanly produced. A man's message comes out of his own story of God saving him or her by grace alone. People want a ministry because they desire a certain credibility, but the TRUTH AS A DISTINCT SOUND gets you removed or squeezed out as quick as Jesus was from the Temple and synagogues. Salvation isn't apart from us like some theological philosophy, it's us having caught the fire from the heavenly altar.
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