It's Really the Same Developing Godministration

 

Right . So you are a people who God is prospering and this causes great alarm to the rest of Egypt , and Pharoah treats them as slaves .

And you are crying to the Lord for how long ? Does anybody know when the slavery set in?

I'm sorry to step on secular brains and evangelicals who are convinced the Enemy comes in like floods and there's nothing much can happen here because Isaiah 59 says so . No , it's God who comes in like floodtides , look at that verse again .

Also God is Peres Uzzah. The God of Breakthrough .

If He wasn't , and say He was just the God who meanders gently , how would you ever know God exists ? 'Every day pretty much continues just the same since the foundation of the earth ' is the lie of our prison warders outside our cell blocks wanting to instil uselessness and hopelessness .

No the truth is one day a Flood Came and a boat drifted away .

One day peoples were divided through speech and Babel didn't happen .

One day Moses took all 2 million or so Jews out of Egypt based pretty much on nothing more than sheep experience . Only they marched t

hrough a Red Sea and lived in a wilderness with supernatural supply of manna and quail .

The point I'm rushing to is that preceding wall of prayer and calling upon God may have been slow but the breakthrough was blisteringly quick , and blisteringly God . That's the point of God being a breakthrough God , to show who He is . God .

Different . Not just slow and evangelical or secular meandery.

So when people were at the point of following God what kind of infrastructure did they have ?

Well thousands of years ahead of time they were doing several components of Ephesians 1.10.

Chris you haven't a clue what the Ephesians 1.10 administration is ?

That's true , and untrue .

There are great parallels between the formation of the Covenant rollouts and this is a pointer to today .

Before I forget let's get to the prompt of this post .

The Suddenly of God , within the space of weeks , had the revelation of Law at Mount Sinai and these components .

The people were in tribes and surrounded the pillar of Cloud and Pillar of fire. There were administrative tribal elders . There were Levites . There was a prophet called Moses , but there were other prophets in the camp .

The New Covenant rollout has 12 1John 2 third stage of growth people . Everybody is coming in on the gospel that Jesus taught or commanded in fact ,

Repent , be Baptised in water and Be filled with the Spirit .

As Peter writes in 1 Peter 2.9

But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Everybody is now in this supernaturally functioning priesthood , so it's not like there's a bunch of priest Levites somewhere .

Both Covenant rollouts have great struggles with unity in their foundation . Jacobs sons and the whole musical by Lloyd Webber based around that .

And the massive failure by the disciples where this completely cross spectrum of personalities are levelled in their pride and self righteousness for all denying Jesus to His death .

Then they had to be rebuilt out of that by a resurrected Lord .

Since Paul wrote Romans , we can identify these massive failures now in a Romans 7 kind of way , because like Nebuchadnezzar's 7 years as a beast , or many of our failures , this helps us to understand how Genesis 3 really operates. That's why we needed a Saviour and that's why in the plan of God , He allowed the devil to spin the Genesis 3 lie , so that we would have firsthand experience of being rescued personally by Jesus Christ Himself .

God isn't just the legacy church Rescuer .

He's not just the evangelical or charismatic rescuer out of addictions , marriage breakdowns , poverty , generations of cultic blood oaths .....

He's the Breaker of the whole Genesis 3 lying delusion that Satan still dwells in himself .

The independent self , self run front of house soul delusion .

Today this very day the Lamb takes away the sin of the world . He comes to indwell us as us in our form . We will never be Jesus of Nazareth . He comes to John Smithhurst, an electrician of Burbeck County West , to begin prophesying his life in a more conscious way ....because in one of another way God is always prophesying our life ....

We can be top table vessels of the King or we can be buckets that empty latrines in the yard .....

But He comes to us so that we become active prophecies of His life in the earth .

Whatever He has you doing , He turns to gold.

So there's several things legacy church , evangelical church and Charismatic churches have missed .

It's a three stage programme in 1 John 2 which mirrors the 3 patriarchs .

It's not just acts of worship together ....it's not really religion . It's life because Jesus is in us as us in a Galatians 2.20 Colossians 3.3 kind of way .

There's no such thing as one carnal leader over any church . There are people God reveals before Himself in Zion ps 84, and that's just until the next bunch . All ministry is to bring people forth into knowing Jesus in them as them and to equip them for ministering this gospel of peace with God and people .

And it's the similarity of rollout in every case as very different sorts of people learn to function together .

Paul calls this the breaking through of the 1 Corinthians 12: 14 to 26 Body of Christ dysfunction , which comes straight out of our 6000 years of being indwelt by Satan masquerading as us in his Good and Evil programmes .

The fact that the first Covenant infrastructure was built around Jacob's sons having a testimony together then the 12 apostles having a testimony together described in 1 John 1, means the same right now .

Charismatic churches are pretty much as clueless as current Jews. They haven't understood what's been going on with the whole Genesis 3 spell over mankind .

We can only fully get that in Jesus . Paul prays that the inner eyes of the saints might be enlightened .

Jesus again says this in Revelation 3 in the churches passages. Come buy eye salve to anoint our eyes . On earth Jesus said " Have a single eye so that your body may be filled with light '.

It's not Jesus AND ME .In the AND ME dwelt the unselessness of Peter's proud assertions to Jesus .

I will never deny you Jesus .

The American AND ME gospel doesn't work .

Even if it can rub Aladdins Lamp and get some genie , it's fundamentally sick .

It's a human presentation mode .

It's pyramid Pharoah structured .

It's ultimately a huge trap set up by MAGA, MAGISTER ( occult double meaning words ) of people of the order of the Black Sun .

That was why David Bowie did his last CD .

The way we are almost impervious is when all the personality types have gone through the Cross in their soul and can relate enough in the co fellowship of the Father .

Republicanism is fake because they need Marks and Lukes

Democrats are fake because they need Matthews and Johns .

We hold the Presence of God cross spectrum as a Crown of 12 stars as all of us go into the ground and relearn life off the Genesis 3 platform of God AND ME .

Let the moon be under our feet and not just a meaningless phrase for us in Revelation 12.1

These are piano tuner things in the name of Jesus .

These are octaves of out of kilter strings that need relating with the Father direct . This is Ephesians 1.10 and Roof with holes Tabernacles administration.

No different from those first few weeks out of Egypt.

No different from the First ever Church , City on a Hill in Jerusalem , Light on a Hill as Jesus prophesied .

No different from the effects of Chalfont St Giles prayer meetings bring felt in Philadelphia and Pennsylvania .

UK got pretty close with the democratic two house administration but the clever upline monarchy who hid in the wings and had even cleverer uplines still , were always operating . How about South Parks send up of Team America ? So America got as far as the Team idea . The forums etc etc but Protocols of the Elders of Zion mentions how they control through the " apparence " of free , on the ground forums and quangos . The comedy Yes Minister and Yes Prime minister is based around his handler . It is the power of the handler out of eyeshot not actor Paul Eddington's character . Until the Lord's Prayer is prayed through no body is clean . The devil will have landing places . Jesus announced in the Upper Room , " Now is the Son of Man glorified ,the devil has nothing in Me " Every current infrastructure is sick and the Satanic Ritual Abuse Survivors are telling us exactly why . They were in many of the secret solstice and ritual gatherings . They know about Trump, Obama , Biden , the Clinton's . Jessie Czebotar's affidavit about Hilary is so evil you'd better not eat or just have eaten before you read it . The good news is that even with semi enlightened people : humanists , Muslims , Sikhs , Jews , Christians , New Agers , there's such a mystical thing as homeostasis . A consensus that is nearer the truth once we are all gathered somehow . It just gets a lot purer than Team America or Team Deep State conducting wars round the world in the name of innocent sounding organisations like Chatham House Royal Institute of International Affairs and USA Council on Foreign Relations . Currently we have no real idea of the secret meetings that push every Luciferian agenda forward . Billy Joels song " We didn't start the fire " about how the 60s uprising wasn't the origination and that each person mentioned is , it later turns out just a planted agent . Marilyn Monroe is played by a female genius , hence why the marriage to Arthur Miller could even happen . Her surface story of beginning her own studio is in Wikipedia . We don't really know her MKUltra story and what she really was up to on behalf of her handlers. Our generation were brought up thinking Jim Reeves and Jerry Lee Lewis were record sellers and performers . JR Sweet said Jim Reeves didn't exist . It was his uncle playing the part of Jim Reeves . Jerry Lee Lewis was one of the world's most skilled and evil mind controllers in CIA . We have been living a lie . We need to be pursuing those central areas of the Lords Prayer so we can have some proper homeostasis when we gather together .

Mystical just means concerning your main being which is spirit .

There's two options and the second option is divided itself .

A third ' complication ' is introduced by Jesus and Paul . Moving by our God conscience direct .

The Parable of the Good Samaritan . Jesus .

When we do what our conscience tells us to . Paul .

But the basic options of spirit being are

Hook up with the Trinity through the Cross

Remain in the aegis of Genesis 3 delusion and don't get born again. This is Satan living good and evil through us .

The second option splits in this manner .

We can live Genesis 3 in the relying on our 5 senses addressed firmly in Proverbs 3.5

OR

We can involve ourselves in good or bad spirituality . Faiths such as Sikhism , Buddhism , New Age , New Thought. They are largely moral which is why God has allowed them as waiting rooms .

There are all forms of Satanism and black witchcraft .

Jews, Christians right up to the Young man stage in 1 John 2 are yes , connected in different ways with God .....but the MOON ISN'T UNDER OUR FEET UNTIL WE SPECIFY WHAT WE ARE DOING .

In born again terms , Jesus didn't enter us as a sidekick, He entered us as a Christ fusion making us One New Creation . There's no pea sized Jesus rolling around in our born again insides.

That's the warfare .

That's the price the two Restoration Streams in the UK never paid . The Church on Hayling Island called Bridge Church hasn't paid it . Elim and AOG Pentecostal churches don't pay it .

The warfare in any generation begins in two ways .

Until a generation grabs the whole solution ,then each generation advances according to a piece of further Light . This is the " light of the young men and young women ". It's always greater than the older people because it has to last more decades .

Our Jesus generation received very strong Light on the Body of Christ . This is what American rector Graham Pulkingham was taking round Britain with the Fisherfolk . By the time the corrupt Jesuit British education had stripped their input down , all that was left were schoolchildren singing " If I were a butterfly ".....which out of the new Redeemed Blood bought family context of being born again and baptised in the Spirit ,is frankly meaningless .

Psalm 45.16 says we shall be called by the name of the young men ......

Joel 2 says " In the last days I will pour out My Spirit says the Lord , and your sons and daughters will prophesy ........

The Second way is a psalm 24 , psalm 110 generation that grab hold of the Genesis 3 Lie by the balls , and recognise the second message of Deliverance which you can find on my blog written by Sylvia Pearce .

There's a 2 Goat message nobody preaches about in the Galatians 2.20, Colossians 3.3 context .

It's so so so so subtle to know the difference with secular Tree of Good and Jesus Tree of Life , that it requires

Spirit and Word

It requires Holy Spirit homeostasis and discernment through a whole Body......a full spectrum loads of personality types Body , called the Crown of 12 stars .....

It requires different forms of Romans 7......the Living Word piercing to the division of ( self run soul ) and genuine spontaneous God spirit , the gathered ecclesia and 14 different ministry types ,

prayer , meditation ofcourse , the things that come up in daily work , family and friendships , and as we operate in the second mile ....ministry and helps .....

God has allowed this Moon thing in Revelation 12.1to be so subtle , that we are coerced into completely relearning life from the ground up like children , and also finding each other in Body .....and no longer just as trees walking .

New Age and New Thought won't be countered by debate . But by fruit .

Satan as us cheats by bending every rule in the book . Breakers of covenant ....or in the last decades never making Covenant in the first place , so as to never be laying your faith on the line as breakers of covenant . No mortgage deal is ever transacted like current relationships.

" I'll put my male member in your female retaining slot as long as it pleases me and then I will discard you as a warm fuzzy life experience ".

Bill Johnson on Sid Roth's show

The outgoings of Life

It takes a great blow to our egos to really know that we are only the clay pots and not the glory of the contents. Christ is the content, it is He that fills the temple. Yet we have been falsely taught that we are the one who should fulfill the law and try to fill our temples with good works. The essence of all idolatry is trying to be what only God is. This too is the essence of legalism. Trying to be good leaves our hearts empty and still crying out for more. For it is Christ who can fulfill the law in us, and it is He that wants the glory. We are His dwelling place, not our own dwelling place. Sylvia Pearce

Chris Welch: If you go to a Bill Johnson meeting, or went to a John Wimber meeting...you will sometimes be praying "More Lord More Lord." But it depends on the "inner model" you are working from whether anything happens.

Of His fulness have we received.
We are containers.

The problem with the "more " type prayers is that the people have a different "model" on their insides. Their model is inherited from Genesis 3, that we are separate beings, self powered beings who are now in some way empty, but still self-powered, and to "us" we need to add layers of Spirit.

When the disciples who were gobsmacked at what Jesus did and asked Him how they could have the faith to do these things, notice He didn't say...."Why...simply call out for more faith"...He answered with a very oblique parable about servants first slogging in the fields, then with no rest, serving the Master in the house until He was satisfied.

 I have limited light on this, but there is something in the "service"...and it's a designated service...it's not "our idea of service" which fills most missionary activity. It's a service designed to bring us to a realisation. Our own limitations, and God's All Sufficiency.

 Later we become "see-throughers". We see right through to God's Life being the "only thing" that is really going on in the universe. Everything else is scheming,fakery,manipulation,emptiness, and coverups. God's Life IS THE ONE LIFE.

 Peter could say with all confidence that we have in this Life all-sufficiency for everything." Peter1:3"seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence." It's because of the way this Life unfolds itself within us as we are obedient to it. It's not that we get more...we become established in it. We become embedded in it.

 I often use the example of learning balance as we ride a bike. We develop a feel for "flow", for the "feel" of His Life. Hebrews 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

What is solid food? It's not talk "about Christ" ...it's talk of what actually IS CHRIST. It's saying...this is God's Life in Christ living through us. Jesus said "This is the work of God...believing in Him who He has sent."
What is the dynamic here?
Why is it so powerful?
Because if we believe this man is God come in the flesh, then we can start believing that this same Jesus is coming in our flesh. It's all the same believing, and the same One Work of God. Out of this come all the streams of the individual things people chase after, and call to God for "More" of.

Proverbs says 4:23 says literally (YLT)Above every charge keep thy heart, For out of it are the outgoings of life.

Carol Lucas Winkler,Bill Johnson, and Ryan Rhoades,but also much more

Carol Lucas Winkler :Testimonies of healing

Carol, not entirely recently

 have been healed, by the Lord, many times in my life. I am endeavoring to walk in Divine health, at this moment in my life. I was diagnosed with an incurable disease as a young woman. I was told I had to have my colon removed, and a bag placed on my side. I asked for a second opinion, and a second test. The same results came back. I remember how fear tried to take over. I couldn't see myself living like that. I had been with my brother, and sister, in the past, and we had laid our hands on my dad's arm that had huge blood clots in it. The doctors had tried everything to get rid of them to no avail. We were young in the Lord, and had no problem believing that those things had to leave if we commanded them to leave, in Jesus name. When we did this, they left immediately. When fear was gripping my heart and mind, over the thought of having my colon removed, the memories of my dad's healing helped me.

I decided not to have the surgery, but to trust God for my healing. I left the hospital and for the next couple weeks I had severe pain. When the pain would act up i would speak to my colon and tell it to line up with the word of God, that said I was healed. I spoke to the pain and commanded it to leave my body in Jesus name. I knew that faith was the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence unseen. So I wouldn't let what I felt move me. Was it easy? No, but it was worth it. After two weeks every symptom of that disease was gone.

From that time on, I knew God could and would heal anything. I also knew he had given us authority over sickness and disease in his name. Years later, the doctors told me my son would be dead by morning. As soon as I heard these words, this just flung out of my mouth, "He shall not die, but he shall live, and declare the works of the Lord." I know, now, that happened because I had been feeding on the word of God. The bible says whatever is the fullest in your mind will, (in the greek) fling out of your mouth, and will decide your future...what will happen in your life. If I had been feeding mainly on movies, God only knows what I might have said.
Years later, the doctors told me my son would be dead by morning
But those words came out in faith. It wasn't because I was super spiritual...it was because i spent alot of time in the bible, feeding on the good news. Healing, deliverances, protection, provision, etc. My son did live, and he grew up to be a preacher and to declare the works of the Lord.. Thank God!

I had an older sister, who was diagnosed with Optic Neuritis. She couldn't even see to change her baby's diaper. But we knew, by then, that it was God's will for us to be whole, and healthy. We laid our hands on her eyes and commanded Optic Neuritis to leave. It did. The specialist knew she had been healed, but he wanted her to keep appointments for awhile to be sure. She just told him she was healed, forever of that disease, and wouldn't be needing his services any longer.

My husband had been running around ...480 blood sugar level Diabetes. Now, he had never really took authority over any sickness before, but this time he decided he didn't want to live with Diabetes. It was simple...he spoke to Diabetes, by name, and commanded it to leave in Jesus name. His blood sugar level dropped within a day or two. His sugar level was starting to drop too low, because he was still on medicine. We made a doctor's appointment before he went off the medicine, (some medicines have to be removed gradually..). The doctor and nurse could not believe he was healed, so they had him take his level twice a day, without medicine, for a month. It has been over two months now...and his level is still that of a person without Diabetes. Why? He doesn't have it anymore, praise God! The doctor just keeps saying he doesn't understand. We do. Why are some healed, and some people aren't healed? I don't have all the answers, but i do know if we spend time in the bible, our faith rises and we are able to believe.

If you go to a church that doesn't teach healing, you won't see people healed in that church. "As he was teaching, the power of God was present to heal." This scripture was talking about Jesus. But it also pertains to any church. If the pastor preaches on healing, the power of God will be present to heal.
Sometimes, after a person is healed, that same thing will try to come back. It is no big deal...you just tell it you are not falling for it again, and to be gone in Jesus name. If we only realized we have the same Spirit of God in us, that was in Jesus. We have been given authority over all the power of the enemy...if we don't know this, the devil can run over us.

If you go to a church that doesn't teach healing, you won't see people healed in that church.

If you don't believe sickness is from the devil, think about all the times Jesus rebuked spirits of disease and infirmity. He said the woman who was bowed over has been bound by satan all those years. Sometimes sickness is just a result of living in this world. Whatever is behind it, we have authority over it. Some churches won't teach on healing because they are afraid if they try it, it may not work for everyone. I think it is better to practice our faith, than to sit on it. If we make a few mistakes along the way, or if someone's faith doesn't receive, do we throw out the promises of healing? No, we keep at it , just like Jesus did. Remember, in the one city, he couldn't do many mighty works? Notice, it didn't say he wouldn't, it says he couldn't. Why? The bible says it was because of their unbelief. So if Jesus went through this, just arm yourself to the fact that it may happen...someone just may not believe. But there will be many who will come from far and near to be healed, just like in the days of Jesus. A huge part of his ministry was healing.

A lot of churches are neglecting their people's needs. I could go on and on and on, with healing testimonies. I have seen so many, and one of them is my daughter. She had a disease that was destroying all of her internal organs. From a young girl, until last year, she had undergone 17 surgeries and just got worse...kind of like the woman with the issue of blood. That woman had spent all she had on doctors, but just got worse. My daughter is a walking miracle. She is healed. Thank God! One other thing she had been suffering with, was a bulging disk in her neck. It had been very painful. When my daughter decided to receive her healing, she included the disk. She was healed immediately, except for the disk. The pain tried to hold on....but she would just speak to the pain, in Jesus name, and tell it to leave, because it had no right to be in a healed body. This was last year...she is totally healed! I believe God wants everyone well. He is not a respecter of persons. It has nothing to do with how good we are...it is free. All we have to do is receive it. If you need to be healed, get into the bible and spend time on all the healing scriptures, and the stories of all those who were healed. Most of the time Jesus said, "As your faith is, so be it unto you." Every person has been given the measure of faith, but this world has so many things to get caught up with. To keep our faith working, we have to keep our minds renewed with God's word. I hope this may have helped someone who needs to be healed. Don't be afraid.;.only believe.
I think it is better to practice our faith, than to sit on it.
about an hour ago
Carol Lucas Winkler
Walking in divine health, is when we don't keep having to get healed, over and over...it is a place where we remain healed. When a symptom comes knocking at our door, we just take our authority and command it to leave, before it can take a foothold in our bodies. Divine health...I like that! Thank you Lord!

(KJV)Matthew 9:22
But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.



(KJV)Luke 13:16
And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?



(KJV)Luke 5:17
And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them.


(KJV)Luke 9:1-2
Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. [2] And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

(KJV)Mark 6:5-6
And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them . [6] And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.


(KJV)Matthew 13:58
And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.


Chris, this is just a little advice out of love. Try the spirits whether they be of God. Always see what the Holy Spirit did in the New Testament. If something seems too wierd or bizarre or if it doesn't edify the church...beware. There are evil spirits that mimic God's Spirit. I love the move of the Holy Spirit...I have seen many healings and joy. I have also seen very bizarre things that were evil spirits. You will know...if you know God's word. Anything that goes off far to the right or left...be careful. I believe God is using you and you have a desire for the move of God. Whenever the bible is put away for the move of the Spirit only...you have a problem. Healing follows the preaching of the word. Praying for God's will and wisdom for your church...and praying you will see many many healings! God bless you Chris...i know he will! One more thing...get your truth from God alone. It is good having teachers, but it is absolutely necessary for you to receive your own revelations from God alone. I found this out, years ago, when i was following a minister's teaching. After I started really seeking to know God and truth, the Lord opened my eyes to things that were totally opposite to what that minister was teaching. He has good plans for you..
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Chris writes: this really began yesterday on Facebook here:
Paul Noble
is a bit fed up that so many friends and people around are battling with the destructive disease of cancer. I HATE cancer - God when are we going to see some miracles in this area! Psalm 103 says he heals of us of ALL our diseases - that includes cancer.
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Chris Welch John G Lake's background were that 5, yes 5, members of his own family died right around him, and the same was about to happen with his wife....and he said to this fatalist Methodist vicar.....NO! I won't let it......and that was the birth of his ministry. Kafka wrote...Truth is seen in the grimace on the face of a retreating lie.Light swallows up darkness...but first there is darkness.
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Andre Rabe provided 2 different YouTube links as examples of two different angles, one by Bill Johnson, and one by Ryan Rhoades. This material is below with a transcript of some of Bill's words.
This is extremely relevant because I am in such a church. That is to say  Havant wouldn't even receive some of Paul and Fran Noble's teaching on healing derived largely from Andrew Wommack, 6 or 7 years ago, and Paul felt frozen out in that endearing way that Havant do things. I also have experienced the same thing, so I am starting to see clearly how they do it. But, with Havant, things are not necessarily terminal, they just like going at their own sweet pace and eventually they tag along. They were exactly the same with praise and worship, refusing to tread the path that Emsworth were pioneering at the time 30 years ago. It may just be that Havant church just has the character of some of the tribes of Israel, they like to see Judah go ahead, and several years later, if it appears safe, they eventually go the same way. This was actually what the tribes returning to Israel from captivity were like. Not everybody came in the first wave. For me, I find this way of operating scary, because I am too aware of Kadesh Barnea moments, when God closes the door to one generation and we wait another 40 years to do what we could have done after only 11 days journey! (The time it really takes to cross the desert from Egypt to Israel...as written in the Bible). I don't like halfhearted, nicey,nicey, when we feel like it obedience. It can be the sweet smiley face of strong-willed rebellion.
But nevertheless, I'm not altogether with Andre,Francois Du Toit,Nancy Gilmore and many others in discounting impartation although, without exception it freaks me out how woolly  some of these "impartation situations" are. What I think we're heading for is a people who know they are anointed, but that anointing comes from the Son who is living in them as them. Sadly the "imparting" generation of Morris Cerullo, Bill Johnson, Che Ahn are so so so so woolly in their theology, and I can understand it driving Ryan Rhoades and Andre Rabe nuts.
But blog readers should be aware of this.
1/Rheinhard Bonnke was doing some London visiting on his way home with no other thought when he came across George Jeffreys Revivalist plaque on his London home. Rheinhard had no idea the guy was still alive and certainly did not expect the frail sick ailing man to pray one last prayer. Well it was a bit more than that. It involved every last strength of this man's body, imparting the Holy Spirit in revival power to the young Rheinhard. Yes Jesus could have done it direct. Yes, the anointing that Jesus has rested already in Rheinhard's spirit...but this is what happened and Rheinhard returned to Germany. He was hardly back and he learned of the death of George Jeffrey, almost like God had told him to hang on for this Melchizedek rendez vous.
2/The next example is Barbara Rogerson who at the time I knew her was virtually anti healing and all for"Christ as me in my form"...well you can read what happened to her in this blogpost.
3/Finally you should know, what you are reading here, namely my blog, only really materialised in this form just weeks after Rheinhard Bonnke prayed for me in London, as he anointed all 2000 of us in the hall. The material here would freak his generation out....but nevertheless, he , you could say, has had a hand (literally speaking) in what you're reading.
So...no....I don't agree about all the negative that is said about impartation. But if you get loads of people who still walk in the independent self delusion, trotting around "imparting"....guess what spirit they will be imparting? So...yup...I can really understand people getting freaked out by what is going on.
This blog is a new generation of material. It is Spirit and Life. It is Word and Spirit. It is Spirit underlined by Word. But it is Word that needs underlining by Spirit. That means if there is real stuff going on here, signs will follow after the content of this blog...even if at first it is only personal growth, and greater clarity of vision. If not, this project is a waste of both our times.

Bill Johnson: Healings happen all the time. It’s normal.
700 Club: You say it’s happening all the time. If somebody’s watching just now what would you say to them? How can they have what you have?
BJ: You’ve got to passionately pursue God in the secret place. You have to have PRIVATE VICTORIES....so you can have PUBLIC VICTORIES. You have to have private times of triumph so that it gets displayed publicly. David fought the lion and the bear when no one was watching and God was able to trust him to kill Goliath when everyone was watching.So you’ve got to have those private times, in public you take a risk. But also it’s a big deal to associate yourself with people who are getting breakthrough....because there is something transferable in that environment. If you want to learn how to kill giants, hang around with a giant killer. Because the other giants that were killed in the Bible were all men that worked with David. Going on trips with Randy Clark to Brazil where miracles happen in their thousand, starts doing things to your mindset. You know your mind is being renewed when the impossible looks logical. Some people get upset when folk go to lots of healing conferences and tell them we’re not supposed to follow miracles. Well I tell folk, follow miracles until they follow you. Until they effect how you do life.
700:  How do you become anchored in that?
BJ : When you live with no options. You don’t have plan B. You see I live in debt...I am obligated to bring fruit of the impossible to God. He has put the Spirit of the living Christ who raised Jesus from the dead in me...and He expects us to conquer something. When you have no other option than to pleas Him, then miracles are normal.


From the contact page of www.revivalorriots.org

This is the website for Ryan and Laura Rhoades. We left everything to follow God and moved to California to bring a message of uncompromising perseverance, boldness, and citywide transformation with us everywhere that we go. We drove across the country from New York to California in a 1992 Oldsmobile 88 Royale…and wow was it an adventure!

We decided to start a website to chronicle the journey that God is taking us on as we travel the world to spread His Good News!

We chose “Revival or Riots” as the name of our “ministry” based on Acts 17:6 — “…these who have turned the world upside down have come here as well!” There were two things that happened when Jesus and His early followers preached His Word with the accompanying Power of God—revival, or riots. Sometimes both!


We feel that there is something drastically missing in the church today–and much of that comes from a lack of understanding who we really are in Christ and the Power that is resident and alive within us just waiting to be released through acts of faith in Jesus and the Power of His great Name!

So we welcome you to our website and encourage you to browse around, comment, e-mail us, etc. as we bring you thoughts from the road, the journey we are on, and the lessons we are learning, bringing healing, transformation, life, love, and consistent demonstrations of the power of Jesus Christ to all those who are willing to receive. We are not in this to make a name for ourselves. We do these things because there is One Name that is worthy and He is willing that all would be made well, whole, and come to a saving knowledge that there is a lot more to the “normal Christian life” than what you probably believe.

Enjoy the ride!


Announcing
Healing On the Streets Seminar  
at Curves Gosport 
(Paul and Fran Noble's business) 
June 25th
CURVES GOSPORT DIRECTIONS
10 Stokesway, Stoke Road
Gosport, Hampshire, PO12 1PE  ENGLAND
Telephone: 02392 520025
Located in the Stoke Road shopping area, opposite Waitrose. We are on the main bus route.
Parking is available (free for up to 3 hours) in Shaftesbury Road
The Two Generations
What this post has turned up is the reality of the two generations that are currently at large in the church. Both spiritual.
You remember that I have previously highlighted Psalm 45:16
In place of your fathers will be your sons;
You shall make them princes in all the earth.
I've had more light also on an a capella  song I was given when I recorded my double CD Early Harvest in 1990.
I will share what I have seen, then  share the short track.
The Bible says Before the Day of the Lord Comes he will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children. Malachi 4:6, and in Luke 1 :17
And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous--to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."(John the Baptist's call)
It also says in Ephesians Chapter 3
For this reason I kneel before the Father, ¹⁵ from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name. ¹⁶ I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, ¹⁷ so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith.

 There is a dynamic tension in tuning the 12 strings of a piano, or more precisely, exactly detuning each of the 12 strings so they play in every key. Apart from Octaves, everything else on a piano is tuned so that it is just "out". Too much out, and people will wince, too much "in", and when you come to play in certain keys people will also wince.
There is a tension in the work of God, in the doctrines of God, in people's personalities, that is there in the Holy Spirit, but as every really good gathering of the saints shows, God Himself fills in the gaps and smoothes over the seeming incompatibilities.He joins our dots.

Until this last century , men had pretty much everything their own way. Women and children were subjugated to them. And this seemed to work fine as long as women and children did exactly that.
However, God's plan was never supporting this.
God's heart is more along the lines of this phrase:
....Christ. ¹⁶ From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.Ephesians 4:16

God never planned for women not to function fully
God never planned for children not to function fully
God never planned for every single member of the Body of Christ regardless of maturity not to function fully

Part of the sickness we inherited at the fall was fatherlessness. This means both absenteeism. But also where Fathers do not function as "enabling figures to others."
 Part of the "Fathers Blessing" which a lot of people erroneously named  the Toronto Blessing was to quicken the reality of Ephesians 3 :14  the name/character and function of father is the Blueprint of how heaven runs. We are connected to God the Father. Every family derives its form from this blueprint.
A ripped, torn up blueprint, shatters the internal image, the internal identity of the family individually and as a unit.Paul Anderson Walsh said about this subject..."That's all there is...connection." There are conditions like Aspergers which make this very difficult, but as Daniel Yordy's recent videos show, God even overrides this.
What goes wrong first is connection.
What went wrong in Genesis 3 was a spirit to spirit connection was broken.
Had to walk out of a job this week, not in an acrimonious way, just a simple mutual acknowledgement that though I've moved pianos for 30 years with just me doing the lifting, the particular ladies unbelief that I could do it ,would be dangerous for the job, so a connection had been broken, and I had to withdraw.Outwardly you see nothing at first, but inwardly you know pretty precisely when the connection breaks down.

 Churches do not need more power and anointing. They need to "see" the full extent of the supply of the Father through all the channels in their midst.

Christ is in each member as each member. The Kingdom of God is here now. Even in our mouth.

It is not a natural thing for someone trained in the flesh to do less,wind down, and encourage others to take their place.
But if we live the Life of God which has always had a Cross in it since before the foundation of the world, then sons will be turned to fathers and fathers to sons.
Notice Psalm 45:16 comes immediately before 17 :
I will cause Your name to be remembered in all generations;
Therefore the peoples will give You thanks forever and ever.There is great ongoing dividend if we follow the Spirit pattern. Here are some more:
The Luke verse adds
to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
The Ephesians passage goes straight onto
out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, ¹⁷ so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith.
Now Havant and most charismatic churches are always asking the Lord for more power and more anointing, when all along these passages describe where the flow already is. Churches do not need more power and anointing. They need to "see" the full extent of the supply of the Father through all the channels in their midst.
Christ is in each member as each member. The Kingdom of God is here now. Even in our mouth.
Like an electrical circuit board with all sorts of gaps, and shortcircuiting pieces, the power is there in the church now, but each part does not do its work. Or if it does what it thinks is its work, it's some kind of "works" activity which refuses to acknowledge the finished work of God and seeks to add:
If I can just pray for 2 hours, if I can just fast more, if i can just worship more, if I can just read more Bible pages.......    What is the work of God? That we believe on the Son of God whom the Father has sent. Where is this Son who the Father has sent now? At the righthand of God, but also indwelling us by the Spirit. This is the work of God , believing it.
So there is this dynamic tension between sons and fathers, even in the church, which the Holy Spirit alone holds together to form a vibrant community.


HYMN TO YOUTH/THE WORD - ©Words and Music A. Christopher Welch 1990
Lift up your sword you're a young man / It's your time to join the fight / You ain't got that much wisdom / But you're holding a bright light. / Do not fear all the old ones / As they cower and they rage / They once held the sword you're holding / But it's now you in centre-stage. /
Drama of history / Unrolling, unfolding Word / Somewhere in the middle / Of what is said and what is heard. / At the vortex of the conflict / Between the deaf, between the dumb / Between the aged and the stripling / Is the Word not old nor young.
Administered by No Name Ltd. 1991

The Body of Christ has Apps!

Update 20th September:I've added a bit to this post.It's blue! This picture is nicked from Apple, so in return I've left a hyperlink to their iphone app page!

The Body of Christ has Apps.

I was talking to a sister in the Body of Christ today. Her marriage is rocky. There are various issues that in this case the husband, and it is the husband, has to work through. Every couple has to work through differences , but if the Bible said it was wrong to dress up as a giraffe with purple spots, and that is what your husband did....repeatedly...causing trouble for the whole family...then further action would be called for. You understand the issues are a good deal more serious than dressing up as a giraffe!

What came out though is there is a lack of infrastructure in the sister's locality. (This was not the UK by the way). In Derby in England the couple who took our wedding, have been used to set up "Celebrate Recovery". This works through gritty situations of hurt and addictions, and is one answer in the Body of Christ today. It is so successful it is also being rolled out into UK prisons for those who want it.

In the UK we also have Ellel Ministries that specialise in demonic deliverance issues. Also, right now Mark Stibbe has it on his heart to set up a centre in the middle of nowhere, out of the public eye, to be a safe place for pastors and leaders to get freed up before they get exposed and take a lot of hurt people with them.

This week on Dan's site we have been discussing the pros and cons of "Covenant Eyes". And like the above situations, there is not a hard and fast answer. Just to say God can use these "Apps" in the Body of Christ as vehicles of freedom. But readers of my blog will know that there is a side of me, like Julie and Lydia, that freak out at some of these things. We are convinced that a lot of the problems are caused because in bringing people to the Lord nearly no one "explains the grace of God in truth", so from the word go people are building their Christian life like the Tower of Pisa.....SQUIFFY!

However that being so, I still want to talk about Apps. And here, less about ministry systems and more about the genuine God birthed stuff in the Body of Christ. In the Power of Teams

I describe the power of God magnified through a group of believers who have set themselves a God-goal. A goal birthed in God, and needing God to carry it out, but en route following in obedience the practical steps that He directs. Bob Gordon in the above example believed for a fabulous kitted out bus to share the gospel in with teams committed to that purpose - believing the Holy Spirit for God appointments all the way.

Now, after decades of the Holy Spirit being poured out, there are "thin places" on the Earth. Groups of believers who "have stuff" in the spirit. If you go to Bill Johnson's church Bethel you are very likely to get healed. If you went to stay with Kenneth Hagin with a fever or some ailment, while you were in his house you would not have that ailment. This was the atmosphere in which he lived. You might get it back when you left, but that was up to you. The ailments did not like Kenneth Hagin's house.

In the 80s after being rigorously trained in pressing through in praise and worship and waiting on God through the ministries of both Edward Miller and Jorge Pradas, Emsworth was a "thin place" of God's Presence in the manifestation of both praise and worship. You go in some places and praise is like a lead weight, but in Emsworth it became easy. And probably for that reason, we became a little too blase about it.

In Romsey near Southampton UK a lady had ME(chronic fatigue syndrome). She was called Marion Daniels. After a fight she was healed. But thereafter she had a facility in bringing deliverance to other ME victims. She also has much experience in dramatic healings breaking through families after a senior member has renounced freemasonry and the freemason curses. Instantly, maybe a grandchild will be healed of deafness. And they may be in a completely different part of Britain.

Corrie Ten Boom's biography has been filmed in "No Hiding Place". Through the breaking experience of her hatred of the female commandant, God birthed a supernatural love seed, that meant thereafter she had an anointing to bring love into situations, and to lead other Christians into Christ's love.

Now here's the point! For years the Body has had these pockets of anointing, but people have been content to have their little bit of the Kingdom. Well now no more. These Thin Place anointings are for sharing! Everywhere in the Body. People running to and fro throughout the Church equipping the saints. Faceless people. No more Fred Smith Ministries Incorporated. Just plain ordinary old Chris Welch, Julie Morris,Dan Bowen...going around imparting "the stuff" they've got in God. Their Apps! For the Body of Christ.

As a prophetic sign of all this back in 1991, when I set up a company to handle my CD I registered No Name Ltd.

No Name meaning not some big ministry name. And also taken from Philippians when it says of Jesus, He was made of no name, no reputation.

Roll out the Apps!

So to sum up, I want to encourage believers who feel they are in holes! That which you may struggle with, may already be valid "faith currency" in some other portion of the Body of Christ. It was for this reason I guess we used to toddle off to hear Benny Hinn and Morris Cerullo. (Not to put off any who still do!) If someone has got something in the Spirit that is not available in your vicinity, why not learn from them, I say? This need not necessarily mean you are "Conference chasers". In the end only the Holy Spirit will make it clear what you've got to travel for and what you have to wait on God for in your home environment and workplace.You will find both examples in the Bible. Elisha had to travel past a whole load of naysayers to be at the place where Elijah was going to leave him and transfer the anointing in double measure. The disciples however were instructed to remain in one location in Jerusalem until the Holy Spirit was poured out among them in Acts 2.

I think the Free Believers network (places like Facebook) can be quite Fascistic in this respect. Who gives them the right to determine who is to be listened to and at what distance? Freedom is operating as a Kingdom without walls.

Some Americans from revivals early in the century, (and therefore by the 1970's quite grounded in God,) came to little old Grimsdells Lane in Amersham,UK. The two phrases they used to use were "supernaturally natural". And "Pass the platter round, take what is for you and leave the rest!" By that they meant , in any gathering of old and young Christians, there were going to be some things the Holy Spirit was saying to one lot, that He wasn't saying to others. Just take what's yours and move the platter on!

For some of us it's quite a big thing to bring our children through to experience God for themselves. For others in the Body of Christ this is already the norm.

In Emsworth the Casa Biblica was made up of really cool (apart from me ofcourse) Argentinian Spanish French and English young men and women. It was very natural for the next generation to want to emulate their hunger for God.

In Rustington is a street evangelism group who ran the children's work (my son Ben's age group) in 2008 RIVERcamp. They had clear Holy Spirit anointing and gifting for the task. Ben was impressed.

This weekend some of our church were in Fareham for teaching on youth led by people from Bethel, California entitled No More Crumbs. Some of our young people were encouraged to prophesy over the parents. It was fantastic, we heard.

The thrust was that children ARE NOT secondclass citizens in the Kingdom of God. And the teachers had clear gifting in presenting this subject.

So what is not yet normal for you maybe just a plane ticket away. Or as in this last case, paying for their ticket to get them over here. But who has heard of these servants of God with these giftings? Nobody. Does it matter? No , not really. The Body is stacked full of such giftings now, waiting to be released from nation to nation, locality to locality. There are things inside you that nobody else but you can share into the Body. There are things that you have now, from the word go, that would be a blessing in the Holy Spirit this week to someone else in the Body.

Pam,the pilot and the peaked cap.

(Pilot picture and cartoon have no resemblance to the real personnages.)

Fini and Isi De Gersigny might like this one. So, anyway, Nicholas and Pam have been staying with us. They are leaving tomorrow for the arctic regions.

Pam shared of an airport incident. I think it was Anchorage. She deliberately put on a Lakeland teeshirt hoping to attract the attention of someone who had been there last year.
She sure did.
A pilot came across and announced that he had been there, and that originally he had been in Bethel Church (Bill Johnson's church). He was now part of a church plant in Atlanta.

While he was in Bethel he had seen a vision of a big golden angel who had announced that he was an angel of provision for the Church. He had received an anointing to pray over people for provision, and that people's needs be met, in the service of the King.

Ofcourse Pam asked that he pray for them. Pam also prayed for the pilot. The slight problem was that as he was still in uniform, people were still coming up to him to ask questions. Gradually as both of them were decidedly worse for wear, as they were praying over each other in the concourse, the pilot decided to turn the peak of his hat round, so he would look less official.

By this time , both of them were very wobbly and feeling decidedly drunk. Hopefully, the pilot was coming off his duty!

Usually both Nicholas and Pam both keel over at such times, and stagger about the floor, but this time it was mainly Pam!

I thought this was all hilarious and reminded me of Ursula. Thought you all might like it too.

The Holy Ghost Growing Machine - The Body of Christ

"We can only point to Christ; the Spirit opens people's eyes. I can't make someone grow, but I can speak Truth into their life; the Holy Spirit grows them." Another great quotable sentence from rjw.

The Holy Spirit grows us.
He does it every waking moment, whether we are consciously aware or not.
“Day to day (our surroundings) are pouring forth speech” Psalm 19:2.

He does it through our family and friends. He does it through The Word, written, preached in church , or on God TV. I say the latter because in Iran , say, it is not possible to do much else...save receive direct impartation through God Himself. So far so good...I could be a Methodist or Anglican Minister eh !!!!

Then in 1973, Graham Pulkingham, when he visited our little rural Baptist Chuch with the Fisherfolk, dropped a bombshell. Now today it will seem so yawningly obvious...you won't even read further. But before revealing his words ...listen..this man spoke with the conscious revelation that he had died and his life was hidden with Christ in God. He wouldn't have it that he was baptised in the Spirit on one particular day. He would constantly say, "I was baptised in the Spirit over 3 months on the crypt floor crying, in the Church of the Redeemer Houston."

Whatever happened to him on the insides during those weeks...came out in the words that he spoke. They flashed out of him like a 100Megawatt light flash. They seared the insides of the poor Baptist people who were present. Like phosphor they clung to the clothes of everyone, so that whatever they made of this sentence, whichever way they fell on it, they had been marked for the rest of their lives. He said " WE ARE The Body Of Christ On Earth!!!"

Boy..were there eruptions! Some had never heard anything so proposterous in their whole lives. Some wanted to leave the church. Some made sure that Pulkingham was never invited back.

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One or 2 years later, a fellowship in Emsworth that met on an adhoc Sunday evening basis to explore the gifts of the Spirit and praise and worship, received a travelling Catalunyan/Argentinian by the name of Jorge Pradas (George, pronounced by Paul Ellis in his inimitable Spanish as Hawkeye. I thought I'd come into a right sect here!! It was the days of the mass suicide of the sect in the South American jungle. My mum was so scared!)

Jorge said more or less the same thing...with the same amount of phosphor from out of the Throne of God. He said," Are you a fellowship...or are you The Church (of the Living God) meeting in Emsworth." And so, under apostolic anointing Emsworth Church was born.

You see , the one thing is undefined, like a "new Cart" that I've been talking about. The other is the conscious decision to walk in the scary uncharted waters of the Order of Melchizedek, or what Bill Johnson, or Mark Stibbe calls The River.

When I am so brutally rude about Terry Virgo, or Rob Rufus, or the apostles headed up by Bill Johnson Peter Wagner or Che Ahn...it is not I repeat, NOT from a spirit like Hank Hanegraaf ..to demean, destroy and dishonour. It is in the spirit of the prophet who was cheery in the morning with David, saying ," Yes, yes David go ahead and build a house for God at Jerusalem." Then that evening he phones up and says..".er David, you know what I said this morning...about you building the house of the Lord...er...You are not going to. You've known too much bloodshed. Your son is going to do it. But tell you what...you can collect all the materials."

Now the Word I have is not as strong as saying to the previous move..."None of you are going to be involved." The Word about the New Cart, comes out of what actually happened at Florida.

Florida, as specifically stated by Bob Jones, and confirmed by Rob Rufus, was not "another Revival". Also it was not going to stop. It is another leap forward of perhaps an ultimately greater order than the leap forward of 1907. IT IS ANOTHER THING entirely.

It contains these factors. Facelessness. Pre-training over years in the hidden places with the Holy Spirit. Nearly all the new anointed teaching and behaviors, and patterns of the Holy Spirit were coming from men in their early 30s. Todd Bentley, Ryan Watts,Roy Field, Todd's team.

It was another order of anointing. It was another order of church. Like the River itself it is contagious. Highly significant for us in the UK was the Word that Florida was primarily NOT for America , but for places like the UK. Every hungry church in Britain has been affected. The way we do church in Havant has changed. Every major conference and camp over the summer in UK has had a different order of anointing in worship, signs wonders and preaching, and conversions. Soul Survivor was amazing, New Wine was amazing, Colin Urquart's one was amazing. River Camp, I say, for all 20 from our church, was absolutely stunning...with Mark Stibbe and Ken Gott.

But the Word I have, which comes out of the misgivings Christine and I had with loads of info about Todd's situation through people , as nice as they are, and as humble as they are, like Peter and Doris Wagner.....is

"Tread warily. You are dealing with a different order of ministry. You are dealing with a different Church Age. Just because you were Christ's apostolic gift to deal with what Ern Baxter in "Thy Kingdom Come" 1975refers to as...The Ziklag job... or the Hebron job....does not presuppose you have the accreditaion transferred to allow you to waltz in and assume you have apostolic authority for the next phase. Now listen to my words...it doesn't mean you don't either. Derek Prince managed to serve the Order of Melchizedek over a series of decades through many changes of level and anointing. (To my knowledge) Michael HarperUK Fountain Trust Pioneer did not. Another speaker in Kansas City in 1975 called John Poole did not. Everyone has to get their visas checked for this next phase.

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The chain picture above shows that the strength of a chain depends on the strength of the weakest link.

When we talk of the Body of Christ. When we use that phrase what is going on inside us? Have we sucked the Blood out of it? DO we use it in the same way as meaning I am in a club, firm, association of people, like IBM, or the State, or the RAC or AA? When I used the stark phrase (Ihave died with Christ, it is not I, but) Jesus Christ in Chris form who lives in me? Did you get angry? Did you just laugh and say "that's weird" or what did you think? I tell you this. The strength of the Body of Christ on earth is directly related to the ability that you as an individual are believing "Christ in me the hope of glory." Anything else is a bunch of people running around still in the lie of Genesis 3:5, as gods in their own right, and when scaled up over the whole Body of Christ, makes us into just another secular institution. As each of us makes the switchover internally , (changeover of our internal seeing) the secondlevel church which sees itself as quite detached from the glory of God(Like on a new cart), actually moves forward into the (new) Levitical order who carry the Ark on their own personal shoulders. It's not just shoved into the hands of the worship band. Or the star preacher. Or our ability or not to pray in the Presence of God for 5 hours.....Why. Because that's where we live .Full time. Knowing there is no separate life. There is no independant life. Never was. It was always Satan wanting to live his independence through me. Since the Cross...Jesus has bought me back as His possession.

The concept of Ezekiel 47 the River is described from a fallen Man's viewpoint. Going deeper into the River until finally diving right in.

The Tabernacle is devised for us fallen men, going from the East (Sin) to being containers of Christ (West).

But the Truth is, from heaven's perspective ....how many of Satan's cancer sin cells dragging you into hell, do you want in your body? Oh I think I'll settle for a count of 25 actually....Nope I don't think so.......You want to get every last drop of independant delusion self life out...now...before it wrecks your marriage,job,health everything. And the Body of Christ is the Holy Ghost growing machine to achieve this.