March letter to Havant Church

How Fatburning is related to spiritual leanness

Dear Havant Church
I am fat.

I don't need you to tell me. My body kind of knows it.
Thirty years of tuning and driving between tunings, customers biscuits and

snacking on service station garbage.
I'm not going to get condemned about it. I'm just going to learn the tricks that will help me lose weight.

Apart from the obvious. Put less in and get more active.

I know Cambridge Diet works...but if you ever go to a Cambridge Diet event and study the counsellors

you'll notice that they are yo yo dieters. See, our bodies have this weird emergency state, that tell us

to store as much as possible in case that person decides to diet that drastically again!!!

So, slow sure weightloss is best....AND it has to be enjoyable and it can be.

You justhave to know some tricks. Well it's early days and I'm still learning, but I've shed half a stone

by eating!!! But radically changing what I'm eating....and errrr...when. For example I was skipping

breakfasts...but now I'm not....and I'm losing weight. It's to do with kickstarting your metabolism.
And there are ten to twenty tips like this that are really sneaky, and really work!!

Tonight I was thinking, you know, our spiritual life really is the same.
I want to share some tricks.

I was born again at 13, and when I was baptised in the Spirit I led my grammar School year,

and some above us in revival. It was part of the Jesus move of 71/72, and it was completely

spontaneous. Now, just as in the same way obesity has kind of crept up on us westerners,

the same sort of fat sluggishness has crept up on people of that move. Nobody meant it to happen.

Nobody radically did anything for it to happen. But as we look back we can see signs that it has

to some extent happened. And just as we don't get condemned about our obesity....we just

start learning some better tricks....so it's the same spiritually. Except that this will be a first.

No spiritual generation as far as I can tell has ever woken up again in all of history. But

they have all without question done the same as Israel in the wilderness. DIED OUT.

Leaving it to another generation.

Let's look at some of the main things we had 40 years ago.

Remember, this was an England that had had the Bishops declare that God was dead in the 60s.
And here was God presenting Himself through Billy Graham as alive, that we could be born again,

and by the 70s, that we could be baptised in the Holy Spirit. Revolution didn't cover it!!!

We were gobsmacked. And none more than me. having been raised by two physics teachers

who had taught Kofi Annan in Ghana, and having garnered 11 A's in my twelfth year....to then

realise that this whole system of learning was majorly flawed, because it left no room for the supernatural,

meant that we retraced our steps completely, trying to work out which bits of our reality could be trusted.

No joke. We were round each other's houses like in Acts. We loved each other with great affection. More

than that, we were actually IN LOVE with each other. We didn't want to be apart.  We studied together.

We prayed together. We had new songs which we shared. We prophesied. We shared in the new

supernatural way of running meetings. Small key of David meetings.

When Christine and I joined Havant this is what it was like:

some of the first things we went to because Ben was small, was the children's playgroup.

Was it the two Ruths running it? Is that right? The lady that went to Eastbourne? Anyhow

we just couldn't break into the cliquey nature of it all. Now I know this is no different from any group of mothers,

especially on an Island like Hayling Island. But one thing was for certain, it had nothing to do with the Christianity

I was born again in.

Jesus is the glue.

The Living Jesus.
We all process Him in different ways....and different churches process Him in different ways.

But however we process Jesus it takes a basic spiritual form underneath everything.

It is "hearing His voice" and "doing what He tells us" by faith that it is Him telling us.

And how do we know? because He speaks to our heart.

Trust in the Lord with all your heart and do not rely on your insight.

When Jesus is speaking to our hearts, then when we get together it's fun, because

we are all unpacking fresh manna together in the meetings. And we are reminded

that that's why we love each other so much. because it's Jesus Himself who came

in when we were born again. And it is the same Jesus in me as in everybody else

regardless of age....and that's the incredible thing.

I was prophesying at 13 and 14 into my new church. By 18 I was pastoring.

I knew about as much as Terry Virgo probably knew at the same era, except that

he had lots of Baptist knowledge from his pastoring days.
You see in those days it was simple. You were born again, and you were baptised in the Spirit.

Period. That was more or less it. That's all we knew. The fact that that covers only about the first 24 hours

of Israel's flight from Egypt had somehow escaped us.

That 1 John 2 clearly says there are three stages of growth....well forget it. We just didn't know.

So right there are two tricks:

Trick 1 is make sure you are loving the Lord with all your heart, soul mind and strength, so

that you have a daily walk....you are receiving fresh manna and working with it by faith...oh and sharing it.

Trick 2 is make sure you are geared up for more than what Jesus referred to as a "half built Tower"

which people laugh at....which is to preach the equivalent of spiritual babyhood and spiritual teenage,

but never preach what Fatherlevel Christianity is about. So ofcourse, we in the charismatic movement

have given the world's media carte blanche permission to just laugh at Havant church and all other churches

like it.....why....because we never ever grow up and take over the area, as St Paul would say.

We don't meet because it's the done thing to do. We don't go round each other's houses because

Alan has organised an area meeting. We naturally do all those things even if it's not a Sunday,

because we really love each other and because we are bursting with so much to share.

So what are some of the other "fat-indicators"?
Well , funnily enough....it's the spiritual stuff itself.

Let's look at Jacob.

His spiritual teenage was learning the faith tricks of speckled sheep and striped sheep and how

you could supernaturally work the system so he always ended up wih more. Laban got increasingly

hot under the collar!!  But Jacob was getting fat. he was going through the motions and getting bored.

So he left. He should really have faced up to Laban...but that was still part of his cowardly spiritual

level...so he didn't and fled secretly by night.

Now Peter Stott,Mariette, Paul Butcher,John and Wendy, the worship group, Molly and Lydia

have been at this game for forty years. They know which strings to pull. They know if you put in

so much in personal prayer, and prayer as a church, plus preparation of the worship group, plus

prayer before the meetings out the back and in.....they know they are more or less assured of getting

speckled and striped sheep

of the Presence of the Lord coming down

of meetings being to some extent real

real things happening to folk.

But it's a trick really.

It's knowhow.

It's not relationship.

I have teased the whole church on my blog about their prayer habit: as an OCD condition.

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. like forever washing your hands.
Havant even have prayer meetings about prayer meetings about prayer meetings.

It's kinda like tithing mint and cumin and making sure all your bases are covered incase

this angry Genesis 3 God is going to say " Well they've only prayed 9 hours this week

and not made the compulsory weekly total of 9 hours 40 minutes, so I am afraid I cannot

come down this week.

But the first thing is heart relationship. There are not two Jesuses. There is only one.

So if Peter is claiming to have a relationship with Jesus, but it doesn't meld with the Jesus in Kevin and Lois,

or Rohan Barton, or Paul Noble, or Elaine Waterfield, then he's in cuckooland.

There Is Only One Jesus.

If we don't discern the Body Paul says....for this reason some are sick and have died.
We don't need so many hoops if we are actually obeying the Living Christ.

He has told us that the Body is ONLY JOINED by that which each joint supplies
BUT ONLY when that joint is working properly. In other words it has to be Christ

supplying through that joint for the rest of the Body to grow. Only Christ builds

Christ.

Words about Christ, but that don't originate in Christ don't do it.

It's like the game Simon says. It has to be Simon saying it.
Christ lives, reigns and operates in what Hebrews call the Melchizedek order.

This is an order that He established as soon as He came out of Jordan River.
He has made us Kings and Priests of this new order. That's the training

we receive in meetings. To learn to operate in this order.

When someone speaks and it isn't of that Order, it's something else, but it isn't Christ.

If Paul Butcher says today I am talking about stereo speakers, and he gives as his

example some music played in mono, he can talk all he likes, but it isn't stereo so we

all remain clueless.

One time he did the spiritual equivalent. He relayed the entire talk of Mark Stibbe on

Fatherhood I think. But when Mark said it he spoke under an anointing. Paul

killed the whole subject. He probably prevented anyone from ever wanting to learn about it.

But when Paul speaks of something the Lord has shown him personally it comes across a lot better.

These are some of the tricks behind learning to be a spiritually lean church and not just a fat blob

like me. If for no other reason you resolve to be lean spiritually...just think. I do not want to be

like that fat blob Welch.
Chris

Left Brain and Right brain and spirit

Facebook note by Chris Welch on Saturday, 20 November 2010 at 04:13

It is a gross simplification to reduce the left hemisphere to dealing with "step by step"thought. This is only a tiny fraction of what goes on in the left. Some linear thinking goes on in the right too.



What we do know is the "gobby articulate bit" occupies TOO high a position in how everything in the western world is run. It certainly is a mighty tool, but God never intended us to function as a giant corporate Stephen Fry.Nor to perpetuate this myth through its education system.



Kierkegaard did not have the tools to explain adequately why theology just based on the intellect was woefully inadequate. It is NOT a lot better now.



Though our right brains do tons of "inarticulate" but absolutely necessary tasks like

spatial skills,

imagination,

feelings,

skills of hyperawareness, like being aware your toddler needs you right NOW and she's in a completely different room (Dawkins hasn't studied that yet)

it is not the same as spirit.



Spirit as Daniel Yordy has recently taught us comprises everything we are,Two of the best Spirit leftbrains on the block are still little known. They are Andre Rabe and Francois du Toit.



They are like spiritual computers relaying Spirit realities in the Word. They are like Eldred Linden who used to visit Emsworth Church.



Prophet/ creatives tend to be a lot fuzzier, more tangential in their speech. .(If not mature,its like listening to dreams from someone that just had too much cheese last night!!!)But if mature...they are more Spirit rightbrain than" step by step" teachers.

But you notice still the same Spirit.



Here's their advantage....see there had to be one!!! These supposedly fluffy(fluffy because they do not speak in "step by step language") guys have razor sharp rightbrain abilities which in the Spirit of God translates to picking up what Ezekiel 10:8 refers to as "scrawlings".These are the ACTUAL HIDDEN programmes on which we run.



If these written words to you are in Microsoft Word 2000 which is on my PC, the programme operating system underneath,which until it goes wrong, shouldn't even concern you, is actually Windows Vista.



So the Spirit right brain folk pick up instantly what an individual's operating system is, or we go into a church and pick up the corporate operating system.

Virtually all of Rich Novek's writings and a good deal of Daniel Yordy's writings are to do with this inner seeing. This inner operating system on which we run. The message of the Kingdom is not "lo here, lo there". It is not some time to come.

The message of the Kingdom was always "The kingdom has come among you!!!!"



By faith lots of characters in the Old Testament turned the key "early".

Rahab, a Prostitute, should never have got anywhere near. Not only was she "near"....she is in the very line of Christ.

Ruth, a Canaanite, cursed until the 10th generation, was the same. Not only brought near, but King David's grandmother. WOW!

It doesn't say the glory of God will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea. It says THE KNOWLEDGE of the glory of God shall cover the earth........His glory is here now. Every genuine Spirit church meeting all that happens is that our perception changes to REALISE IT, and we FEEL the Presence of the Lord. The Presence is always there.



Now is the generation of those who WALK in this manifest Presence. The keys that we had for meetings are the same sort of faith keys we have now. Calling things that we don't "perceive", as though they are by faith, based on something more real than actual atoms....the very thing that even sustains those atoms....

THE WORD OF GOD.



I am now going to get into a specific local issue which came up in some public meetings, so these are not hidden issues that nobody knows about. This was revealed in a strong way at the last Key of David meeting in Portsdown Church premises in Havant. Key of David meetings are public meetings for any attendees from outside the area as well as for locals.

The November meeting spotlit the role of men in the Church as a whole. It was a call to "Awake O sleeper and rise from the dead and Christ shall give you light."" For in His light we see light." Ps36. This interestingly enough IS THE LAST CALL before the battle array verses of Ephesians 6.....when the Church goes into its self-for-others intercessory call to engage with the forces of this present evil age and do battle in the spirit.

The meaning of wrestle is VIBRATE.....we vibrate against principalities and powers.



Now this is equally true of the church general as it is of Havant Church itself. Three weeks ago when we were away, a local prophetic friend visited and gave a Word about the famous local ship of the Battle of Trafalgar, based in dry dock, called HMS Victory. The Word stated that it was basically a WAR SHIP in dry dock....and spoke of Havant in the same way. Havant have a particular calling to wait on God and find the secret Way. This is something similar to the 2nd World War. All the earth's armies were rushing around, but there was a group of backroom boffins working in the USA right away from the field of war, discovering how to split the atom. And devastatingly it was this knowledge that finally closed the war altogether in Japan at Hiroshima. I am not advocating what happened. I am stating fact.

Havant have a similar call.....



Now all well and good. Certain aspects of this are peculiar to Havant and hidden within the beings of those individuals seeking God. Certain aspects are not hidden. They are not known in the church at large. But they are not hidden. They have all been written down for us in "Yes I am" by Norman Grubb, and now by many other writers in books and now in blogs and on Facebook. It is just NOT TRUE to say they are hidden. To say they are is elitest...too precious.....and frankly arrogant and rude. A bit like when teenagers do not heed the advice of their parents but have to reinvent the wheel and make their own, sometimes lifelong mistakes.



Take Norman Grubb with 6 or 7 lifelong succeeded main intercessions as a poured out servant of God. He started understanding Christ as him around the 20s through Jessie Penn Lewis of Welsh Revival pioneering days.Norman's earlier books about CT Studd and WEC, and Rees Howells are well known classics. The reason his later works are not known, says nothing about the works, but everything about the obtuseness of the church at large to enter the third and final stage of growth: The 3rd Level. The Father stage of 1 John 2:12 ff. Of "knowing" Galations 2:20 inwardly.

I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith OF the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.



Like any church, Havant have this great glory upon them that is God's unmerited favour, blessing and calling. Also, like any church they have arrogance and self will. Particularly in the light of their "secret" way calling they feel they have to shut themselves into it and learn the hard way by completely reinventing the wheel.



I was sharing with the leaders this week how the UK had a little known Kadesh-Barnea moment around 1979 -80. This relates to the abortive entrance to the Promised land that Israel had as they went through the Wilderness. They were shut out for 40 years until the first generation had died. All except Joshua and Caleb.



Around 1980, UK ministry said "NO" to God and we have spent around 30 years going around "Charismatic praise mountain" in the wilderness.

Third level mature Spirit ministries from the earlier Apostolic moves and Norman Grubb himself were repeatedly making approaches to the leadership in our country. Some like John Noble, a main leader at that time, attended third level conferences and decided the whole thing was not for Britain.



Much of what is happening now in Havant is no different at all from the 1st Glory Conference in 1984 that was held after direct revelation to Ian McCulloch, after being specifically called to fast and pray in a caravan. As usual, none of us realised the full worth of the revelation he was getting until 30 years later.



So.......back to three weeks ago and the subject of "scrawlings" and operating systems.

My prophetic friend wasn't in the church two minutes when he addressed a member called Martin, and said to him...

"What's wrong with this church? It's so feminine?"

There is a glory in femininity, and then there is a male emasculation. He was picking up the latter.

Independent to this, the Key of David meeting was on this very subject.



You see if men don't know Galations 2:20 in the Spirit....you can preach a left-brain detached version untiil you are blue in the face....but the Bible says this...

We are joined (ONLY) by that which every joint supplies.

And ALL ministry is for equipping the saints FOR ministry.



Well you don't "supply" that which you haven't been DIVINELY given

You don't minister to anyone just supplying left-brain information about what a 1200 page book says, even if it is the Bible. We can go off to the library and read that much for ourselves.

It is IN HIS LIGHT we see LIGHT.

It is only in HIS LIGHT we change or destroy our Ezekiel 10:8 scrawlings and change our operating systems.

It is ONLY JESUS HIMSELF that builds JESUS.

The Body of Christ is what it says on the TIN. It takes Christ to build Christ.



Havant meetings are quite good until we stop worshipping. Apart from the main leader, all the other speakers do not yet know how to impart that which they have been supplied with. Or they supplement their actual supply, with lots of material that wastes time and does nothing in the Spirit.



We have a particular lady in our congregation who falls asleep when there is no anointing. She should be put in a glass case up the front as a Preach-o-meter. We have another man that spontaneously bursts out laughing when God is up to something somewhere in the meeting.Perhaps he should be in a case the other side. Like those weather readers with the man and the woman.

Until people know how to impart, we should have a tag team of 3 or 4 preachers ready to speak for 10 -15 minutes or less, as defined by the Spirit, until people are mature and can tell the difference

between dry waterless wastes

and Rivers of Living Water.



Only that which is by the Spirit nourishes and builds the Body.



I questioned the leadership on how come, if Jesus only took 3 years to take people from fishing to full grown father status apostles, and all that before baptism in the Spirit...



how come Havant Church has been in existence for 30, ten times as long. and have experienced the Baptism in the Spirit and all the tools of growth, and there is not a single apostle yet?



Two absolute clangers were dropped at this point.

1. The disciples were personally trained by Our Lord. This was said in an incredibly Catholic voice for a free independent church.

2.Who is to say that it is the position and goal of a church to produce an apostle?



Rather than say anything, because I am too offended by both these statements....

perhaps someone with more grace than I have right now could gently add a few notes after this in the comments section. Address it to "anonymous leader" to save any remaining egg falling slowly down a face.



The thing I cannot work out at all is the symbiotic relationship between these comments of leaders raised up under Peter Stott and Peter himself. If Peter, who judging by his ministry is so advanced and used in many nations, how come the people he has chosen are so passive in their leadership and so lacking in knowledge about growth? One or other cannot be true. Either Peter isn't quite where I imagined, or he is...but something isn't tying up?



Anyhow, emasculated men, are church men who may know Galations 2:20 in their head, but it hasn't changed their scrawlings yet. So they "fake " brokenness. One guy who visits our church actually has a walking stick which kind of produces a "fake" Peniel effect. Read about how Jacob genuinely was touched at his strongest point, his thigh.



The grace gospel...what Paul called preaching grace in truth....was real. Is real. It makes its own results. We don't have to fake it. It is Christ within us as us who GROWS us, who builds us,who strengthens us....

Who HAS ALREADY KILLED US and taken us down into hell with Him

that He could LEGALLY raise us up with Himself in newness of Life.

If we know that in our operating system....excuse me....why the emasculated men, exactly?

No Ordinary Weapon,No Earthly Battle

These are two of the latest messages from Isi De Gersigny. Dan and now Ursula have been recommending Fini and Isi's ministry over many months.

I spent yesterday driving around to these two messages. There are a few audio problems in both, but worth persevering with.
Fresh light concerning the meaning of Epheians 6 Armour....also there is a stunning silence when Isi touches a few raw nerves...both in the people present and me personally. She pinpoints a couple of "enemies" of spiritual warfare...2 types of attitudes that cripple our effectiveness.

Thanks Dan. Thanks Ursula.

Felt God really highlight the fact that part of the present acceleration is the ability now to be able to eat and eat Divine food...books , Cds but also downloadable podcasts and videos. God is behind this voracious appetite He is stirring in His Body.
We need this stuff to grow. And grow faster than any other generation.

Morris Cerullo for decades has gathered all the most on the edge spiritual teachers in the Body of Christ to address his 4 or 5 day teaching sessions. If this system has been a Divinne method in the past, so is our current enabling via the internet. This combined with local Bodies growing themselves in love makes for swift growth.