Learning Our Romans 8 Agency in the Earth

 

God's original command to Adam still stands . Go , multiply , fill the earth and Subdue it .

A bit like the Baal Priests setting up every obstacle they could to Elijah , God still performed His Word through Elijah .

It was a bit of a Shazam thing which needed regulating , because there was still " an authority gap " which the Jezebel spirit snuck between to terrorise him.

Simply put , while Kings kids are learning their agency , God still stands by His Name when people rub Aladdins Lamp to get the genie .

Until Kings kids get towards total agency .

God has magnified His Word above His Name .

God allowed the fire incident to show something .

God allowed Israelites to choose kings to demonstrate things about that type of order .

God has magnified His Word above His Name , means things like He has allowed his sons to do teenage , or the young man state while they grow into their real estate in Him .

The earth is given to the sons of men. But the operation is within the Word , the Person , the Union , of the Trinity in them . John 14.21, and John 17.21

We have to move from the American Elijah fire gospel to perceiving a cloud the size of a man's hand gospel , that becomes national rains .

We see what is in heaven and we bring it in to the earth.

We do not see heirarchy in God's actual work .

Angels taught us heirarchy and armies .

America actually call their chief ruler Commander in Chief exposing their rule as military from the top down .

If the church refuse to learn the Romans 8 way of setting the earth free , and they are the pillar and ground of truth , how will the rest of the earth learn rulership ?

Galatians 2.20 and Colossians 3.3 are THE METHOD of true agency to fulfil the mandate to Adam.

( Even now , even now , if you come in the name of a living being into Maritime Law Court , the court cannot be held legally , because our souls are planted on the earth we stand on . We are not dead souls at sea , being tried over water as fiction selves ).

The Lords prayer talks about hallowing Gods Name . Well , God has magnified His Word above His Name and He is growing His Sons according to His Word in the Son , and magnifying it even above His fulfilment in the One Son, to bring MANY SONS TO GLORY .

Jesus said " Now is the Son of Man glorified , the devil has no landing places in Me ".

This is the work of the interior part of the Lord's Prayer , which results in bringing forth the Body of Christ in the earth .

Do not be deceived by the brevity of the 1 John 2 growth stages.

Do not be deceived by the brevity of the three internal prayers of the Lord's Prayer .

Do not be deceived by the brevity of Revelation 12. 1

Do not be deceived by the brevity of the Psalm 84 passage in how God's servants are revealed .

They are mystic passages, which simply means pertaining to our Sonship and the mystery of sin that was our reality and the mystery of Christ in us the hope of glory .

Before , our glory was in heaven only . Through the mystery of God's Word magnified even above His Name, Christ in us as us gets to do things that never were conceived in our mind nor entered into the heart of man .

These are the actualities that we are speaking into being as we speak these mysteries in tongues .

God could not entrust these things to our mind , we would have never spoken them out !!!!!

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Ed Miller and Jorge Pradas and Ian McCulloch redefined ecclesia in our era .

There's no getting away from what Jesus said .

God is Spirit and must be worshipped in Spirit and truth .

Remember, the American AOG missionary to Argentina , Ed , got pig sick of going nowhere in his ministry . He ofcourse had no way of knowing Argentina had just been taken over spiritually by the blackest of evil , Nazi SS who were operating their blood sacrifice LOOSH over the whole of Argentina .

But this forced opposite action . Ed stamped his feet and said " God I am not doing another thing until I see some breakthrough ".

There is a YouTube message of stuff I never heard from his mouth , of his Revival background . He knew what revival was .

There's a complete description , which amounts to Loosh ,that he was pressing through in the Spirit .

But one thing he learned en route is proper church .

We hate the word mystic being physical people .

But the point of entering the path of God is to learn the truth of spirit to a people accustomed to 6000 years of lockdown in our material senses .

A radio station isn't fuzzy and nebulous if we have the right wavelength and the right machine to perceive it , and that's a radio .

Jesus didn't walk through walls because He was fuzzy and wispy . He walked through walls because His resurrected body was more substantial than atoms with lots of space between them . He showed His hands and cooked a barbecue on the shoreline later .

The gates and walls of praise and Thanksgiving are what leads us into the realm we describe as mystical . But baptism in the Spirit and gathering in Jesus Name sets up a portal whereby we begin touching heaven and learning and worshipping God who is greater than creation , more substantial than creation ....and the truer church gets ....not really mystical at all .....blooming tangible . Ask Jonathan Brennemann .

There was the Argentina revival through Tommy Hicks , and about one revival per decade in different places through Ed Miller's intercession and the Word He brought into churches .

He was behind getting the converted hippies with Chuck Smith to learn orchestral instruments which produced all those 50 or so praise albums in the 70s.

Ed taught Ian McCulloch and Jorge Pradas how to do church . Seriously , it was like a Book of Ezra learning experience but in the Holy Spirit . Through Claudio Friedzon and many others we have spent the last decades relearning church .

Through a diverse fork in things , to do with Jessie Penn Lewis trying to get Norman Grubb Baptised in the Spirit , but failing , we got instead .....go figure .....Norman's complete treatise and articulation on the more Book of Nehemiah side of things .....how real world living works with Word of faith , and Christ in us as us , Galatians 2 20.

Our meme is , a sword in one hand and a trowel in the other .

Bible Houses were our stab at the two sides simultaneously .

Like the disciples learning off Jesus how Melchizedek gatherings worked . " I only do what I see the Father doing " psalm 123 stuff .

And living full time with Jesus who was modelling life off the Genesis 3 delusion , after 30 years practice as a human .

So we have had the Ed Miller strand of things , through the praise albums , places like Bible Temple in Oregon etc

And we have had the 24/7 living side of things through the 60 years missionary titan of WEC , founded with CT Studd , including Inter Varsity Press and the University Christian Unions originally called Inter Varsity Unions of Norman Grubb.

All in the one century !!!

This is to take us to thirdlevel church like Acts Jerusalem Church in every location .

Elders revealed before God in Zion ....in every town , instead of rolling out pyramid church franchises like the whole of our generation producing stultified ineffective Ishmaels in every place because nobody learned the Romans, Ephesians sequences properly inwardly in the Spirit .

Unless we fall into the ground we dwell and minister alone .....

Unless we abide in the Word we never really get the awful and glorious truth properly which are both mysteries .....and we never get truly free

Unless we learn everything from the ground up like little children again .....without figleaves .....and off Genesis 3 altogether, we never position ourself spiritually to see Kingdom .....think of it like a holy version of platform 9 3/4 in Harry Potter .

Jesus arrived bang on time .....but only those whose inner eyes were ready saw Him . He was really there . In one day Peter saw Him . He wasn't just an ex carpenter . He was the Mesheach , disguised as a carpenter ....except His disguise was real .

The Kingdom is believing all round us like the radio frequencies .....have we got the gear yet to perceive it ??

That's what real ecclesia is .....not silly ecclesiastica with an additional stic plonked on it to make it some quasi Levitical frilly order of priests again ....

Ecclesia and the specific instructions for it are quite literally Platform 9 3/4 , a portal of heaven , where the quite literal Body of Christ forms .

Hence Jorge Pradas' insistence on Revelation 12 church .....a Woman Overshadowing the New Manchild !!!!

Ed Miller had to learn all this stuff because AOG was so much about power presentations that they weren't understanding anything of the third stage of growth which takes us beyond foolish virgins with one flask of oil .

Bible Houses - introduction : What are they ?

 

Bible House mark 1 sold in1981

Bible House mark 2 with current church buildings

( Both houses are in Emsworth , HampshireUK)

Watchman Nee felt to start what we in our churches called Bible Houses . If you are not already aware , Watchman Nee pretty well maps out everything apostolic for the first time  since Bible days . He's missing great power.   His black and white dog story is starting to get towards Norman Grubb , but still far too Taoist a storyline , even though he really lived the foundation of the modern Melchizedek Order rediscovery . His " normal " books are seminal . Release of the Spirit starts to redefine things that don't come across so clearly in Norman Grubb. Sit Walk Stand is the first modern three stage of growth book . Song of Songs comes from teachings of Madam Guyon, Jessie Penn Lewis and Margaret Barber . 

What Shall this Man do starts to break down what Norman would continue in Yes I Am . Ed Miller , Basilea Schlink and Jack Schisler all ministered the first love for Jesus message . Having penetrated the heavens and learned the praise and worship protocols , not just on an individual basis like the Merlin Carruthers books , but as the blueprint for real ekklesia in the order of Melchizedek , Ed's vision for Bible Houses was training people in revival Presence . Sometimes his Bible Houses were the epicentre of the local revivals . Like the vision for IHOP , Ed was all about the seeking God message , waiting upon God . Since the Hebrew for waiting is " active entwining " , or like psalm 84, exchanging strength . Blessed are the men whose strength is in Thee . Bible Houses were the churches first real steps in modern times for the work of the Holy Spirit to " overshadow " people to bring forth the Manchild . This Revelation 12 description is really the Spirit perception of what Jesus was doing . It's what the holy place is . If it was a partical accelerator , it's the splatting engine .....it's the revving room that re engineers what we are in the natural ..... The Bible calls us " you worm Jacob ......you shall be a threshing sledge ". We don't come out of Bible Houses manslaughtering all local villages ....we come out , as 1 John 1 says , with a testimony of Jesus . We have touched tasted , handled this personal Word of Christ that has been spoken to us in many different forms . We have believed upon it until some measure is active in our Word we share . R Edward Miller was AOG , so we trained in praying for healing , facing difficult situations , all the while that our Jacob ....the us that nobody wants to face , starts emerging . And now after Norman Grubb, we should be even more specific than we were in the light of Ed Miller and Jorge Pradas.( Montse Pradas , Nuria Pradas )  

Until our generation there has never been a generation so lasar focussed on what Genesis 3 is and how it operates . Without that Spirit definition we will never get our meetings into the rest of the City. Book of Ezra has to be rolled out into Book of Nehemiah . The carnal world works with only a trowel . We work with a sword and a trowel . Learning to do this takes longer than the world system who are all compartmentalised , all perched on the grand pyramid and all building Lucifer's kingdom . Our sword is unearthing and severing the Satan - I from the operation . Non born again church is the world . It's what occult people call the " good side of the system ", usually with sacrifices being conducted underneath , or after hours or in close passageways near the church building . Born again and charismatic churches don't fully get Romans 6 and 7, and Genesis 3. We are training in Holy Spirit protocols and the gifts of the Spirit ....but if we don't occupy our houses , and that's a Manchild term or a Galatians 2.20 term or a wise virgin with loads of oil term ..... Then we have seen repeatedly what happens with charismatics in history . They get sucked off towards esoterics . Solomon got drawn off to Egypt and magic , and freemasons to this day aspire to his rituals for " gaining help from powers " , read ....being used as an avatar by Satan to move his purposes forward while he tosses a few trinkets your way ......which often includes the rape of innocent lives . 

Until our generation there has never been a generation so lasar focussed on what Genesis 3 is and how it operates .

 All of us have to take our mind to the Cross . The Bible warns us that the message begins in our mouth as sweet like honey , but in the end it is exceedingly bitter .....like a woman in travail . This is when congregations turn back . This is when people become bitter . This is why Jesus says " Abide in My Word because if you do then you are truly My disciples ......." These furnaces burn something ....and when there's nothing left to burn .....things start turning around . If people have some experience of this in Bible Houses or maybe in the future , like Jesus and the disciples , actually as ministry teams .....they will be better practiced at sticking out the real painful bits .

 Two things have to happen .

One . The Bible never says one leader has to take on a whole church's problems . There's no such thing as a modern concept of a pastor in the Bible . It's gross hubris that a man or woman thinks they have the necessary Word to bring through a room full of people in God . God Himself only had 12 . All of us need a whole plethora of ministries, gifts and direct encounter , as well as our whole life training . ( Just to recap 1 Corinthians 12 is gifts , ministries , operations / direct encounters. Paul writes 3 lists of around 14 different ministries ). 

So the first thing is we need many third level elders so we don't have this stupid 70% USA burnout of failed Marvel comic superheroes .

Point two is we pray the Father so He dynamites out workers . So there's a Jerusalem Gate process to get ministry to the third level in 1 John 2 or in power and authority terms to Gate 11, the double portion of Gate 6. Gate 11 is the double portion gate of Ephraim and Gate 6 is the Fountain Gate of baptism in the Spirit . We know Gate 11 exists because we see that mantle on the great ones we write about . John G Lake , Smith Wigglesworth , George Jeffries , Reinhard Bonnke. If not in power gifts , in the train of influence we see Ern Baxter , George H Warnock , Watchman Nee , Hudson Taylor , George Mueller . There's a grain offering . There's an oil offering . There's an acacia box mover and shaker and there's Khavod might and power . Jesus spent 30 years on the acacia box ....or muddy field with the treasure in and 42 months in the baptism of the Spirit and Khavod Presence when He ministered . In some shape or form God directs Bible Houses . Or Bob Gordon's idea of evangelism training on the hoof , see my recent blog post in comments . Bible Houses , like Jesus creating a core , form the core of the future ekklesia in one locality . Monasteries were very ' first level ' . They weren't up to getting people out again . Bible Houses were second level and still too reliant upon meetings . What Jesus was training was thirdlevel and only because He as a man , leaving His glory aside , had trained for 30 years acknowledging God in all His ways and never succumbed to the Genesis 3 fantasy of a self empowered middle man.

1st and 2nd level situations Can be Extremely limiting

Three related Facebook Posts of mine this week:
I got nervous this week when I saw a poster on Facebook for a "deliverance Class"

Who gets nervous about secondlevellers operating in thirdlevel ministries?
I am not talking about the gifts. I am talking about ministries which have greater than church impact.
Particularly deliverance.
Some of us refer to the Dark Night of the Soul or the living experience of Romans 6 and 7 to be somewhat our Log extraction moment.
Jesus said don’t attempt splinters if you are still hampered by a wacking great log in your eye.
There is no greater log than still carting round Genesis 3 separation consciousness.
I don’t care if you have a supernatural propensity for deliverance..... my area initially was prophecy worship and worship songs.....
But would I feel happy being in that area as a definite ministry without walking right through Romans.....
No.
And because of the very tale Jesus told of a house being cleaned and tidied, but then the demons return because it’s all clean and nice bringing 7 times as many back.
How are you going to move effectively in deliverance if you are still in the root problem that brought the whole foul condition to earth..... Genesis 3?

Can we have some thirdlevel deliverance ministries and prophets please, oh and apostles.
If only to prove to Preterists they still exist.

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I divided myself off here from Francois duToit and Andre Rabe and Anne Marie for two sets of reasons. Anne Marie because she doesn't do iron sharpens iron and just like Lydia Du Toit puts up extremely positive stuff sharing the love of Christ.
In that sense you can get in anywhere with that message. ( I would recommend anybody to hitch up with all of them)
Nobody is going to be offended by somebody preaching 1 Corinthians 13.
I felt like.St Paul writes.....while Francois is ripping up the earth with Andre sharing the amazing message of the Mirror Laver you can only applaud that and think it's wonderful that Jesus Name is being lifted up.

But boy, for me, already squashed in a box for 20 years and finally let out on the internet, it was just way too confusing hanging around them all, while God is trying to take the message further to something that St Paul and the other apostles are saying. I think Francois and Andre get the basic idea that there has been a switch, but they don't seem to preach yet on the effects of the switch.

Most of Watchman Nee gets this far but that isn't because Nee didn't know more, as we can hear from any of the tapes by Witness Lee, his associate.
The sad thing is the books were all from the early notes and messages before they had been road tested and road travelled in persecuted church, and later of course prison.

So in book form the deeper Bible messages as to how Christianity works are only to be found in people like Basilea Schlink and Ed Miller and messages of Sam Fife etc.
Here's the truth guys.... the community in Darmstadt were BEYOND ANYTHING BASILEA PUT IN BOOKS. She put the effects in books like Realities.... But the mystical processes not so much. Yet when I lived with them they were sharing more of the “how's” of the deeper walk.And this wasn't theory with them.....they lived that way......But still in quite a Lutheran way, which wasn't that accessible to modern Germans and English people.

Ed Miller and Jorge Nuria Pradas were way beyond anything they put in books. Unlike Francois and Andre Rabe who you go primarily to hear , these guys could preach, and they preached stuff that people are still catching up with today, but primarily you hung around them for the way they ran meetings in such a way that God could show up.

It was allowing God direct access to His Church and the Church building up the Church as in Ephesians 4.
You were participating in the very way God dismantles His people in the manner of the Lords Prayer ready for rebuilding them.for the final section of declaration.

All the work of.God is ultimately to take people right through the material in the psalms of.Ascent 120-134 but to.rebuild them from scratch and join them together as priests 133 ready for the final climax and showdown of declaration blessing over the whole earth 134.

Charismatic meetings do early prototypes.of this but they haven't been through the processes of Romans 6and 7 in the covered portions of the Tabernacle.....the Heavenly one.
Laying the foundations of Romans 3 to 5 on a Mediterranean cruise......While necessary......It doesn't actually get you to that place of authority that Christ is taking His Church to.

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When you meet a thirdleveller you are projecting your hell onto them.
Nearly everything about them is offensive.
Read your gospels will you?
Watch. Every single small phrase. The ones you glide past.
Look at how the disciples treated Jesus when they returned from shopping in John 4. They really are the ugly sisters. Jesus is Cinderella. By speaking to one “ disallowed woman, a Samaritan” virtually her whole village had come to God. And the disciples are complaining about not helping with the Sainsbury’s shopping bags!!!!

Or others in history
“Children are taught the story where Alfred is on the run from the Vikings, taking refuge in the home of a peasant woman. She asks him to watch her cakes – small loaves of bread – baking by the fire, but distracted by his problems, he lets the cakes burn and is roundly scolded by the woman. Historic-Uk

This is all any English Child is taught about the incredible Christian king. But that’s how Catholic Jesuits rewrite our histories. Good job we have early records of the Bible, think what Jesuits would do with it.
Jesus healing birds at two or levitating bears or something. Yet what the New Testament actually says, no Catholic wants to know and obey!!!!!

I'm Rubbish

I'd like to say I know what I know on good merits.
NOPE....like every good Bible character I know what I know because I was so frigging useless and still am.
I was desperate as an atheist and God just met me where I was at 13. Seen the Graduate? Dustin Hoffman one? I did, So I saw the whole thing coming in slow motion...but I was emotionally entangled. In the end God sent a prophet Nathan style to our door to get us all straight.
So having been like David Bilbrough...some sort of person affected enormously by the Jesus Move followed by the London House church move....I was fished out of the whole English scene into what was a safe recuperating kind of "City of Refuge " for me in Emsworth. But of all things it was Argentinian!!!!!
Which meant learning the stuff that Ed Silvoso and Claudio Friedzon was bringing to the UK in the 90s and 2000 ,about 20 years too early.
Which then catapulted me into gross failure in Romans 6 and 7 style. In the end, broken, i only knew to fast. And it was over 20 days. The BBC call you dead after 3 days !!!!
What God did was NOT because of some 20 day fasting method....He heard my desperation. I could have probably got to the same thing by simply reading Norman Grubb's Yes I am. But this is how God brought me into what Norman had learnt back some time in 1926 or so and the rest of the Church (though he was actually head of Worldwide Evangelisation Crusade) never listened.
See sometimes it's good to sit down and actually listen to people however weird it sounds, instead of being like Benny Hinn and racing round the universe trying to do it all yourself.(Morris Cerullo included). If you have run a global missions organisation, studied at Cambridge so can write, and you are still there after 50 years....I would think that is a good reason to try and learn off Norman and save yourself a half century.
So I didn't have Norman's book because I was in Emsworth and we believed God to do an Ed Miller suicide dive into all this stuff direct. God kindly did that, then i read the book.
But what it means is this.
Unlike IHOP I know Norman's stuff
Unlike Norman's own crowd, I know the vision of the Church...not as vision....but as lived for over a decade. I know what Acts is about. I have lived it.
While I know about London House churches vision of "being supernaturally natural" I KNOW how to get there.
Unlike Ed Miller, because of Norman Grubb I can articulate better what these socalled "lost" things or "deeper " things are.
Paul Trulin was well on the way before he died, and was able to share about Christ in us to Morris Cerullos Schools of Ministry. Because of Norman, Fred Pruitt, Page Prewitt, Nancy Gilmore, we can be so much more accurate on how daily living works. Particularly Deedee Winter, the Buntings,Sylvia Pearce.....have, as Paul Anderson Walsh pointed out...been some of the women "first to the tomb " in these issues that will literally change our world.
But because of Emsworth and some of Sam Fife's other streams (The Move) I can tell you what Norman's stuff looks like in every day church life. In Emsworth Spain and Argentina we had Bible Houses or Casa Biblicas. They wouldn't call it this but really they were centres of Galatians 2.20 consciousness living, which every church should be naturally. At this stage we have to form greenhouses to force growth, like Jesus did with the 12 disciples.
The two things lacking in seminaries is
they don't teach consciousness living
and they don't teach everyday life.
These two things are what the apostles refer to church as being in essence:
the pillar and ground of truth.
They are what they preach or you don't get recognised and sent out.
Acts 2 is really the story of 12 complete failures crashing into the thirdlevel then being the foundational reproductive core for the whole of the rest of the Church.
Zechariah 4 "raise the top stone with cries of grace ,"grace to it"
There's the grace of blood covering of sin
then there's the grace of crashing into Jesus living His life as me.
Gospel ministry at the moment is a single grace package which may or may not contain being filled with the Spirit.
The one the apostles preached and that we must NOW preach is a two grace package...day one grace of entry into the Family of God and being filled with the Spirit
the second grace of how Jesus exposes all our false inner seeing and so we walk nolonger as "independent selves", the original curse of Genesis 3 death.
and we can only impart what is true for us.

GOD's.EXE FILE 3.0 (beta) A Study of Emsworth Church 1978-84

Study these faces. Where are the bitterness lines? Ian was chucked out of the Brethren for.preaching baptism in the Spirit. Lost everything as a missionary in Argentina. Jorge escaped certain death under Franco in the civil war, then lived under Peron and some of the worst inflation in the planet anywhere in Argentina. Ed Miller was an American missionary getting absolutely nowhere in Catholic/Jesuit/Nazi Argentina. All broke through in God and were pioneers in the heavenly Tabernacle in our generation, and more than anyone currently writing on the net.....the Spirit know-how of how you take whole congregations through in the Living Presence of God. Not without personal frictions.....but that would have been totally thirdlevel and God knows how when and where He is bringing His Kingdom in. Can you imagine meetings with just one of these gentlemen.....Sometimes we had all 3!!!!!! Acts 2 formed.itself.around 12 such broken gentlemen......we have yet to see any geographical location anywhere with baptised in the Spirit leaders any further into God than Romans 3 to 5. If they are further like Bill Bowers of Los Angeles then they are rejected by all the Romans 3 to 5 ers. If you want to see this dynamic of rejection or awkwardness going on in your Bible with Jesus then read John 4. The disciples GRILLED Jesus because they were meeting centric and to them Jesus had been lazy by not going shopping with them. We take it all for granted because we read John 4 with insider knowledge now.....but this is exactly what first and secondlevellers are like.....They simply can't get hold of the fact that Jesus knew who He was, and was functioning in real time in the Father......and at this point in their lives there were evangelistic meetings with the Spirit moving and then the rest of Life when you had to go shopping. Jesus was a spontaneous meeting point for everybody to meet God at all times......and this was all happening in a Spirit flow at the well with the Samaritan. It didn't even figure in the disciples.brains that in about two hours Jesus had been led to cross about three human boundaries......woman....Samaritan.....immoral. had used word of knowledge.....had then got her so fired up the entire village came out.... Perhaps everyone had since cleared off and the disciples.came.back with shopping and somehow Jesus has to explain all the things that just happened.....but He is now standing alone by the well. Er Jesus they said exactly how long does it take to drink a bit of water!!!!!
Chris Welch Facebook comment on yesterday's blogpost
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The Kingdom is not LO HERE or LO There....
unfortunately.
If I pointed you to Emsworth Church now it is called New Life Christian Church down Thorney Rd on the way down Thorney Island near Emsworth and Portsmouth UK.
Jorge's churches are likewise based throughout the Provinces of Argentina but based at Quilmes Buenos Aires. And Ed Miller's churches are scattered, but some are in Argentina and America.
THAT ISN'T THE POINT.
But for me in my Melchizedek Order experience
the Spirit had me dialling up a booking for I knew not where as I walked into the campus of Exeter University at the end of my first year during the summer term(1978). I took a leap of faith and announced that I would not be returning. This was in the days when the State paid your university bills. So, yes, I left without having any idea what was going to become of my life.  I had no idea that I was a Romans 3 to 5-er because to me and our generation just a bit older, like Terry Virgo, who took some of my songs round with him, we all thought
HAVE ANOINTING - WILL MINISTER.NOT THAT SIMPLE

Nobody knew there was a thirdlevel, there were just "special ministries", "big names", "people like Graham Pulkingham and Juan Carlos Ortiz that got their current books prominent in all Christian bookshops."
But from one little article in the charismatic Catholic magazine New Wine which spelt out the main features of how thirdlevel worked my spirit had already worked out much more than I could verbally articulate.   Like also, having just been baptised in the Spirit 6 years earlier, when I just gorged on all the letters of the New Testament, I knew inside me that the gospel  Eric Chambers of Old Town Baptist Church Amersham, and Tim La Haye - Late Great Planet Earth....was NOT the same gospel that Paul was preaching. But I couldn't put my finger on that either.

God has to train every son of God in being able to follow the Spirit.
Those who follow the Spirit , these are the sons of God.
The Melchizedek Order is peopled by a priesthood who have learned Psalm 123 living.
"I only do what I see the Father doing"....and "the Father is still working, so must I ,said Jesus."

1. TRUE CHURCH IS ON DIALUP ONLY   (in the Spirit)
2. The Spirit has to baptise you INTO the Church. He has to introduce you and introduce others to you because without Him all you will see is very ordinary flesh and blood people....but hereafter we see no man after the flesh
3. NOT BY MIGHT NOR BY POWER BUT BY MY SPIRIT.  It is good to think of the Kingdom a bit like Amersham International which began as the Radiochemical Centre. They made radio active tracing compounds for Xray use in hospitals. Ron Knight, who discipled me into Christ, made these things in his job in leadlined cubicles with leadlined rubber tubing in which he poked his arms.
   In the Spirit, the independent self has no part in, no inheritance with the saints in Light. Fleshlife which we now see is the false consciousness that came in at the Fall in Genesis 3, has no part in the Melchizedek Order, no part in the Church. Before we have Galatians 2.20 consciousness the Spirit trains us in prayer to GO INSIDE.....to SHUT THE OUTER DOOR of leftbrain traffic....and to MEET WITH OUR FATHER IN THE SECRET PLACE.
   We put on our leadlined equipment which is the Ephesians 6 GARB, or GARMENTS, and we function in the Kingdom
   
   initially 1 Corinthians 12-14, in little bitesize chunks....then later as we are schooled in the WAY of God....in greater ministry lumps.
   But it seems, however mature....John 15 says the Father is always pruning and chopping off bits in order to bring forth greater fruit.
   
   Not By Might, Nor By Power, But By My Spirit , which I have often puzzled over, has been shown to also refer to the heavenly Tabernacle.
   
   Might is clear. This is human strength. This is the church of the outer courts. Systems etc. It also refers to the whole of the Old Testament. The outer way of working.
   
   Power has been more subtle.
   But Elijah moved in power, but the kickback from Darkness through Jezebel's demonic power scared him witless.
   The Pentecostal realm was all about demonstrations of power, but like Barnum Showmen, there is something very shonky tradesman about that whole way of operating.
   Certainly Elijah had all the fear blasted out of him by the first two Divine Sequences...Whirlwind and Fire.... but then Elijah, now free of these fears, could hear God's still small voice.
   This is the realm of pure Spirit that David Swann has written about in Entering into the Holy of Holies.
   
   It marks out the three men above, who, operating at the time of the big named ministries....chose to ONLY BUILD what God was telling them to build. At one point the mighty general in God called Bryn Jones wrote a very nasty threatening letter to Ian McCulloch which showed more about where Byn was, than where I an was.
   
   Ian , Jorge and Ed contented themselves to build relatively small works , but out of which a whole generation of people like me would emerge who were aware of the protocols of the Melchizedek Order.
   
   I have always been grateful for Geraldine's obedience when the Holy Spirit told her to give over her whole 3 storey (Swiss style) house up New Brighton Rd Emsworth, ( no 42) at the precise time of the formation of Emsworth Church and the first Bible House (Casa Biblica). Only in heaven will we see the "return" on that investment. Certainly her family, who rightly were due all the proceeds, never got anything from what would have been rightly theirs.
   I have since tuned for one of her children.

Stay close to ME and let My love flow over you!


Stay quietly close, let it sink into your soul;


There you may be, waiting quietly near to ME,


Drinking from the Cup that I am giving you.


Moment by moment let this quiet waiting be


Quiet and undisturbed, resting near My heart.


Leave all to Me, how well I know your deepest longings,


No other heart can understand like Mine.





Just like a book your life lies open to Me


How well I know what's written on each page;


Heart's desires and longings, fears and strong imaginings;


Nothing goes unseen - The Light of love sees all!


How dear you are, My dear one, you will come to know


When you see my Son dying on that Cross for you;


Only His Blood can touch and cleanse away all sin


for He has lived in a body - just like yours;





And He knows the rugged pathway,


He knows the hard frustrations,


There's no place of sorrows


He doesn't know them too.





So my dear one, stay here close


And know the Love I have for you,


Comfort sweet and sure! Your own place in My heart"

(God's own gift to all who want to share in this treasure - for you too!" )

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Remember the old series of Dr Who when he was this unassuming character who after sorting everything out quietly left in his Tardis before any could make a fuss of him. There's something amazingly Dr Who and Jesus about Geraldine, who after giving her whole house, at the end of her life settled alone in a small Emsworth bungalow, knowing that New Life Christian Church was chuntering away, but not that sure about where it was heading, but yet as her near term memory loss was increasing, she was glued to the Father's love and hope and confidence in Him and what she could not see.
Except, I believe the answer to her prayer as she handed over the key to the Swiss style house DOESN'T just ENTAIL some pig-mamy old style temporary revival in England, which we don't see with our eyes. BUT THE WHOLE ENORMITY of THIRDLEVEL CHURCH  BEING BORN AND LEADING TO THE ISAIAH 60 PROPHECY ITSELF.

A GREAT LIGHT OF GALATIANS 2.20...THE ROCK THAT DESTROYS THE WHOLE OF THE IMAGE IN DANIEL'S VISION.....
BASICALLY DESTROYING LIVING IN THE IMAGE OR THE FIGLEAF....BUT A RETURN TO SPONTANEOUS TOTAL REALITY IN CHRIST.

IF YOU ABIDE IN ME THEN YOU ARE TRULY MY DISCIPLES AND YOU SHALL; KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.

(ELSEWHERE.....AND FREE INDEED)

The return on Geraldine's gift is like Jesus Cross itself.....without measure.

God's . EXE file 2.0

Because so few people have seen a real church it may be helpful to describe what the Kingdom exe file of my blogpost looks like while it is still installing.
The MIDDLE of the Lord's Prayer is absolutely key to the functioning of the self-installing Kingdom in the Church.
Yes....you can think of the Lord's prayer in a usual one off way where you plough through it all together in a reading.
But the key issue missed in churches that have blocked the Holy Spirit, by denouncing proper experiential repentance, water baptism and complete infilling of the Holy Spirit...
it means you don't understand the last bit.
So whether you take the Lord's prayer as a blueprint for a single meeting.....or whether you take it as a longer process of the Spirit, the outcome of both is the same....
Like a massive detox, the final DECLARATION BIT Bursts out of your innards IN POWER.
But if you are Catholics, Methodists,Anglicans, Baptists even, and so on.....you haven't actually done the first bit of meeting God properly, so you never experience the dynamic DETOX processes of the Holy Spirit, so ofcourse you never see in your services the massive Holy Spirit release that this causes. You won't have seen this in others, and you certainly won't have experienced it in yourself.
The THREE levels of your being are sifted through at microscopic level by the Holy Spirit Himself.....
Your physical needs.....WHO IS YOUR SUPPLY? God or Mammon. Boy this is visceral. It literally decides for you if you are going to be sucked into the New World Order, denying Christ or not.
Emotionally....you just cannot carry around those hurts and bitternesses ....you HAVE for your own sake to forgive others as they forgive you. This means more when you are in a real church that actually lives together, as the Holy Spirit designs His real church
Spiritually, and often way out of sight, you have to let the Holy Spirit go deep into every aspect of your agendas and operating system.....
Boy how many secondeveller preachers do I hear who preach on various things, and I can just hear in my spirit....they are still as attached to the devil in that area as any non Christian, they are self deceived.
NOW do you understand the full import of
In His LIght do we see Light and
Walk in the Light with one another even as He is in the Light, having fellowship with one another.....and if we do...His BLOOD....cleanses (active verb) us from all sin....
ie not just clearing us from guilt and shame.....CLEARING US PERIOD !!!!! If you abide in My Word then you are truly my disciples and you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you????????
YUP
FREE. FREE INDEED.
Now any of you that have been around this revelation of the working of the Body of Christ since God accelerated the Church vision in the 70s....WILL KNOW what it is like living with Job's friends.
First and secondlevellers get "bees in their bonnets" or the "gift of suspicion" and they plague your life don't they.
Living in the Light is not like the Spanish Inquisition. leave that to Catholics and Jesuits.
Living in the Light means there has to be the supernatural Light and Presence of the Living Lord Jesus and the moving of the Holy Spirit.
When Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery
Go and sin no more....it wasn't a Spanish Inquisition "Go and sin no more or I will tear you limb from limb and hang draw and quarter you and feed you to the vultures."
There was Spirit power in His Words....more like a prophetic empowering blessing over her life.....Go...you shall sin no more.
And it is in that kind of spirit we move as gathered saints in this self building DOT EXE file that is God's Kingdom.


The picture above iis of the three fathers of the Move that was the Emsworth Church as it was called in the UK near Portsmouth. Ian McCulloch was resident at Emsworth and was the father of the work, the main pastor. R.Edward Miller and Jorge Pradas were each father of several works in Argentina and elsewhere. All three had apostolic gifting so we were, to say the least, well fed with Christ.

You can Hear Ed Miller  here

Revelation of God's Holiness - R Edward Miller

Some biography about Ed Miller's son.
Robert is the eldest son of Dr. R. Edward and Eleanor Francis Miller, who were on their way to Argentina as missionaries, when Robert was born in San Juan, Puerto Rico on March 22, 1945. While only a few months of age, he contracted rheumatic fever, which left his heart with a mitro-valve prolapse. As a small child he attended a crusade where he was prayed for by Evangelist/Prophet William Branham, and by God’s grace, he was made whole.

At the early age of five, Robert saw the outpouring of the Holy Spirit under his father’s ministry in a small church in Mendoza, Argentina. At age seven, he was present for the 1952 angelic visitation, with times of deep intercession at the Bible School in City Bell, Argentina. There, the angel foretold of a nationwide revival that was to soon come. In 1954 those promises were fulfilled through Evangelist Tommy Hicks. The story of this revival is written by his father, Dr. R. Edward Miller, in his book, “Secrets of the Argentine Revival.”

During his childhood, Robert would often go with his father to the healing crusades. There, he would sit on the platform and watch his father praying for the sick, diseased and dying. He witnessed untold numbers of miracles night after night. The paralyzed would leap up and walk, the blind would see, deaf ears would be opened and demon possessed people would be set free.

Saved by the grace of God at an early age and filled with the Holy Spirit at the age of 14, Robert began to minister as a translator for foreign missionaries in Argentina. In 1961 he went to Bethany Bible College (6820 Auto Club Rd., Minneapolis, MN), graduating in 1964.

He began to pastor his first church in Walport, Oregon, and was there for one year. He was then led by the Holy Spirit back to Argentina, where he taught in a Bible School in Mar del Plata for his father and also worked there with the children in the orphanage.

Shortly thereafter, he founded and was Pastor of a church there called “Peniel” (Face of God – Gen. 32:30). During those years, a precious move of God broke out among the Bible School students. Heavenly worship, deep repentance, cleansing, spiritual warfare and intercession were a daily occurrence. The Bible School and Church experienced a tremendous, unforgettable move of God’s Spirit, where the Lord awesomely manifested His Glory and Presence during untold hours of worship. Month after month, the services continued each day, and would last until four o’clock in the morning. People would go straight to work without sleep for weeks at a time (supernaturally sustained by God). It would take volumes to write of all the wonderful experiences, healings, miracles and deliverances that took place during those years. There was such conviction and repentance, with many being converted and filled with the Holy Spirit. Nearly everyone experienced God in an open, transparent, face to face relationship in the light of His manifested Glory and Presence. Many of the students attending “Peniel” during those years are serving the Lord Jesus and in the ministry today.

The Lord instructed Robert to return to the United States in 1974. He was ordained at The King’s Temple by Pastor Charlotte Baker and continued ministering throughout the USA in many churches until 1976.

Robert, again led by the Lord, returned to Argentina -- this time to the capital city of Buenos Aires, taking over a struggling church. By the grace of God, this work blossomed. Again, the Lord visited the people in extraordinary ways during those unforgettable years. How wonderful it was also to have Prophetess Ruth Heflin ministering at conferences. A group of about 25 young people gave their lives to the Lord Jesus, and joined the youth training school that had just begun. It was hard to envision at that time that all but one of these students would be serving the Lord and in the ministry.

The church continued to grow, and purchased land in a central location in the Capital city of Argentina and later built a lovely sanctuary on it, with the help and oversight of Beto Pagano, a church member, businessman and contractor.

Also, during these years, a “Quinta” (lovely park area) was purchased out in the country. A portion of this property was subdivided into lots and sold to people in the church, who built their houses and now live there at the Peniel Christian community. A youth camp facility was also begun. What tremendous encounters with God, the children, young people and counselors have experienced on those campgrounds!

Yet another part of this “Quinta” property was later developed into a conference center, with the capacity for 3,000 people, under the leadership of Robert’s brother John Miller who took over the work in 1984.

In July 1983, Robert moved to Atlanta, Georgia, to help his father who was pastor of a new church he had pioneered. Ministering together, the church grew to over 600 people, which God sovereignly drew from various states and from other nations (Taiwan, Australia, South America, etc).

A powerful move of the Holy Spirit, later called the “fire move”, broke out in this church, during the years they were pastors together, which lasted several years. Ministers and laypeople from many parts of the world came to the conferences and would ‘catch’ the fire and take it back with them to their churches. Again, it would take volumes to relate the accounts of this move of God’s Spirit during those years in Atlanta, but we will share just a few highlights.

Such were the manifestations of power and fire, that some would literally see the flames as lightning bolts. Some could actually feel this intense heat of the flames upon their bodies. While many, because of fear, could not stand the intensity of the Holy Spirit manifesting this way, countless others who did not yield to their fears and close their hearts, were given open visions and transported into the world of the Spirit, for hours at a time. People would call these experiences “virtual reality”, for many of them were still conscious of this world, while in the spirit world other. Many were transported in vision to Heaven or hell and would describe the things they both saw, and experienced, totally unaware that they were speaking in this world, where others could hear witness what they were describing. Most everyone experienced the crucifixion of Jesus in a very personal way, and were then brought into a life changing love relationship with Him.

Those whose experiences took them to hell, would cry out because of the burning flames and repent of the hidden sins in their lives. Many were given to identify themselves with the Cross of Christ, as if they were the ones who had killed Him. (Acts 2:23 …ye have taken and by wicked hands have crucified and slain.) Then after this experience, the Lord would reveal to them His overwhelming love and mercy, letting them know that they had not taken His life, but that He had willingly given it on their behalf, so they were completely forgiven. Impossible to describe, the depth of gratitude and worship that poured out of these lives, as tears bathed their faces and the radiance of God’s love and glory lit their countenances.

A classic example of those taken to Heaven in a vision is the experience of a Taiwanese woman, who for many years had lived in condemnation and torment over a past abortion. In one of these meetings, while under the power, she was taken to Heaven. A beautiful teenage Chinese girl came to meet her with a joyful, radiant face, calling her, “mother.” She told her mother, among many other things, “I love you and forgive you. Please don’t suffer anymore, because I’m happy here in Heaven and I love being with Jesus.” This woman came back from this experience so radically set free, that she has never more been plagued by those condemning torments. Unforgettable for sure were the experiences that all who were there, encountered. That fire spread to many churches in different countries, including Argentina, Canada, England, Holland, Panama and the United States.

A few years later, Robert was invited to minister in the country of Panama, which turned out to be an incredible visitation of the Lord. The services were aired live over radio waves throughout Panama, then the calls began pouring into the radio stations, telling of supernatural things God was doing while people were listening to the live services in progress. An architect who was driving on his way home, was listening to this service, when the sense of God's Presence became so strong in his vehicle, he had to pull over on the shoulder of the road, no longer able to drive, because he was crying uncontrollably. He had been backslidden for some time and the Lord restored him back to Himself right there.

Another account was of a Christian manager of a factory who was on her lunch break. She was listening to the service over the radio and began to weep uncontrollably. She then fell under the power of the Holy Spirit. When other operators saw what had happened through the window into her office, they went in to see what was taking place and upon hearing the radio message, they too fell under the power of the Spirit. Everyone in the factory spontaneously broke into tears, dropping everything and God began to move among them.

Another report was of a pastor and his wife from the interior of the country who could not be at the conference, and had said that as they were listening to the message over the radio waves, they clasped hands around a coffee table and began to pray, when suddenly they were slain under the power of the Holy Spirit and fell on the floor weeping. There were reports about several other people who from their homes reported the same phenomena. Truly, God had come and was calling His people to Himself.

Robert has been privileged to minister in many countries. By the year 1995, he had ministered in Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Ecuador, Colombia, Panama, Mexico, the United States, Canada, Singapore, Hong Kong, China, Israel, Greece, South Africa, England, Holland, Spain and Wales. Countless people’s lives have been transformed as they encounter the reality of Jesus Christ. Robert is a spiritual father to pastors and leaders in several countries (edifying, encouraging, exhorting, imparting his gifts and anointing to the next generation).

In July of 2001, Robert went to Buenos Aires, Argentina to be with his father until Nov. 1, 2001, at which time the Lord took Dr. R. Edward Miller home to Glory. Robert and Deborah returned to Georgia, U.S.A. in the first part of 2002, founding the church, “Peniel Int’l Fellowship” in Union City. This church has an outreach in Argentina for some of the poorest and needy children. Thousands of dollars every year are sent to feed and clothe the children who gather together at the new “Quinta” outside of Mar del Plata, which was purchased in 2005. Already the miraculous provisions of God for the poor and less fortunate of that area, are too numerous to mention. Many are coming to know Jesus as their Savior and are baptized in water and filled with the Holy Spirit, as a result of this outreach that is under the direction of Daniel and Inez Kloster.

In November of 2005, in recognition of the call on their lives, both Robert and Deborah were ordained at White Horse Christian Center. In January of 2012 the Lord led the Millers to return to metro Atlanta, GA as their home base, as they minister in many churches in the U.S.A. and abroad.

Passionate for God, Robert often ministers in the prophetic psalmist anointing, where the Heavens open and the manifested Presence of God fills congregations with the sense of God’s heavenly glory. People meet God face to face and those encounters transform their lives for eternity.

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A Good Foundation

Traditionally pastors are one man affairs caring for a group who call themselves a local church. Local churches meet once or a few times weekly having some form of belief in God , right up to specific “experience type believing in being born again and being baptised in the Holy Spirit.” Much enthused the churches who were connected with Jorge Pradas and Ed Miller set up quick "greenhouses" for young people and married couples within their churches called Casa Biblica or Bible houses. Watchman Nee had previously done the same . Youth With a Mission had similar aims in their Discipleship Training Courses.
In hindsight these were all restricted learning environments which covered no more than Romans chapters 3 to 5, or the first two stages of growth in 1 John 2.
The FIRST HALF of the "young man stage" of John's letter is still the favored popular end of the gospel. We see something similar in Jesus own ministry. A lot of people forget that Jesus laid His glory aside. He WAS A NEW LINE whose Seed was directly of God, but He, like Adam was a Man, who had now been baptised in the Spirit. Beginning with one sentence under anointing in hometown of Nazareth, He was learning as He went.He could learn from no rabbi about being baptised in the Spirit, so He was learning it all Himself. But in order to take people through in the Spirit, Jesus announced further clarity of revelation in John 6 and everyone but the most committed left.
To be fair to Jorge Pradas's Bible Houses to the extent that they followed the patterns established by the thirdleveller Edward Miller, they really were to a measure places of Deliverance for all of us.
But almost universally this fact is also true.
The man in charge of Bible House.
The people running YWAM
Just about 99% of all current churches have no clue what they enter into in seeking to bring forth people in Christ.
Everyone without exception is naïve about Genesis 3 thinking at the same time that they know everything about Genesis 3. Just as no man can ever understand childbirth, nor any woman who has never been through it herself, in the same way unless you have been part of your own “bearing of the ManChild Jesus Christ” in your own body, you have not a clue of the deliverance you need from the Old Creation and your own departure from Genesis 3.
The TRUE MANCHILD DEMANDS HIS OWN FORM OF CHURCH, HIS VERY OWN WINESKIN. Church as it is now is like a flimsy cardboard model that has very little true significance in the Spirit of God.
As Paul says our works shall all be burned and that which endures shall have been tried as through fire.
I am getting very tired of people saying to Rich Novek, myself, Daniel Yordy, Annalize Mouton and many others of us here
“You are more unpopular than we are.”
“You don't have many people liking your posts.”
“When are you going to do something?”
“Why don't you preach the gospel?”
Here is the truth God speaks over us no matter how it looks to the eyes. And it is the very same message God the Father would have spoken over the tiny group of 12 and a few hangers on.
Isaiah 55 “Shout for joy, O barren one, you who have borne no child;
Break forth into joyful shouting and cry aloud, you who have not travailed;
For the sons of the desolate one will be more numerous
Than the sons of the married woman,” says the Lord.
2 “Enlarge the place of your tent;
[a]Stretch out the curtains of your dwellings, spare not;
Lengthen your cords
And strengthen your pegs.
3 “For you will spread abroad to the right and to the left.
And your [b]descendants will possess nations
And will resettle the desolate cities.
4 “Fear not, for you will not be put to shame;
And do not feel humiliated, for you will not be disgraced;
But you will forget the shame of your youth,
And the reproach of your widowhood you will remember no more.
5 “For your husband is your Maker,
Whose name is the Lord of hosts;
And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel,
Who is called the God of all the earth.
6 “For the Lord has called you,
Like a wife forsaken and grieved in spirit,
Even like a wife of one’s youth when she is rejected,”
Says your God.
7 “[c]For a brief moment I forsook you,
But with great compassion I will gather you.

 Church as it is now
 is like a flimsy cardboard model
 that has very little
 true significance in the Spirit of God.

The truth is we don't need that many people, what we need is people who have genuinely received the Seed of Jesus Christ through us or others and have become fullgrown. There is only one Jesus Christ however the outer form looks.
Anybody can preach a religion that saves them from some future hell, or even lead others into the exciting baptism of the Holy Spirit. Just these features on their own are enough to create mutlitudes of excited people who create a culture that is infectious for others to join......but none of this was actually what Jesus Christ was doing. What He was doing as we see when Peter blurted out You are the Son of God, and He came back with “Upon this Rock, this perception of God in flesh, will I build My Church.”. was teaching people to become as little children and completely relearn the whole business of life, but this time as God living His life as you in your form.
No church is doing this. And this is why we are impatient with you. You can accuse us as much as you like, but you are not doing what Jesus called us to do. The foundation you are building on is a little bit of Jesus superimposed upon the foundation of man, or the whole Genesis 3 lie.