Need For More of "The Second Testimony"

 We need more testimonies of saints coming face to face with the awful Genesis 3 Platform and how they learned Jesus as their Sole New life

Kanaan - Darmstadt, the Start of the New Universe

Don't you think It's weird that God should pioneer Romans 8 in community form.....(actually quite like He did in individual form with the evangelicals around Norman Grubb of WEC) ie NOT USING Pentecostals and Charismatics???
In fact He used a rather religious format. A NUNNERY!!!
And if that wasn't weird enough He used a Lutheran nunnery and Lutherans don't have nunneries. They are not Catholics!!!
So to RECAP....
IN order to push through a whole prototype of SAINTS setting the whole of creation free....
He chose the most ugly duckling nation possible....Nazi Germany
He chose Lutherans
He couldn't trust men....they have testosterone....and pecking orders....
So rather like the Resurrection....where the men are busy nursing their fears.....the bold women are out there pioneering and expecting to meet Jesus who said He would come back again.
So to pioneer Romans 8, God picked on those "secondrate " citizens , females!!!!, in a secondrate Nazi Germany to trigger the turning round of the whole of the Universe.
Does that sound like the Cinderella Kingdom?
These sisters believed for their own land.
Without apprenticeship they personally brick built all their buildings....perfectly.
They planted fruit and like Romans 8 would suggest...all the fruit and goldfish were massive.
They also PROVED that in this new Creation...if the relationships weren't right, the machinery broke down. When they repented and confessed the machinery just started up of its own accord.
They were a real Romans 8 community because Basilea Schlink laid the spiritual foundation of Romans 6 in each of the nuns.
They were told to believe against belief that they were now new creations.
Their faces changed so much they collected the before and after photos and wrote "Realities" or "Wirklichkeiten"
I think some of them were baptised in the Spirit and spoke in tongues. Certainly the community prayed regularly for miracles.

KANAAN WEBSITE


But while charismatic communities were still coming unstuck because of the powerfilled DIVA mentalities of members all falling out with each other.....
doesn't that just remind you of Jacob's wives.....first one taunting the other.....and God is on neither side particularly He just blessed both.....
but he can't stand pride....
So God bypasses the whole of the world charismatic movement with a waft of His Hand and says....
OK....you may be spiritfilled but even after 60-70 years not one of you are thirdlevellers yet...or even remotely interested....
so I will go to a little evangelical community who are believeing all the chapters of Romans and I will start building my new Universe there......at least they are paying attention.
And in 1974 I took a look myself when I was 16.

Grateful Letter to Kanaan, Darmstadt

Sisters,and Brothers, I do trust that you have continued according to the Word entrusted to Mother Basilea and Mother Martyria, and then you are all pressing on in the wonderful internal knowledge of Jesus Christ as our sole and only Life, expressed through our unique personalities. I pray that if you are still maintaining outer forms of Lutheranism, and the various forms given to you in particular, your countless songs for example, that you are all using them to find Jesus Christ, and that those forms are not using you for themselves, such that you regress in your revelation of Him.

I want to give you some feedback from a Jugendhelfer 74 and explain a little the fuller picture of your help to me, but I hope to stimulate your faith also, for the Holy Spirit has indeed been leading us ever onward since those days 40 years ago.

The Lord Jesus Christ has been made Lord and Christ by the heavenly Father, and He has been pleased to be hungered for over millennia, and has deliberately planned in the progressive revelation of Himself that mankind say, "But you have saved the best wine for last." The devil would like us to concentrate on the huge noise he is making, to distract from the noonday glory of the Sun of Righteousness rising in the Bride of Christ worldwide.

I always digress into the bigger vision, it is how God made me, and it frustrates my wife!!!! So let me begin by personal detail.

I was a Methodist in England in Berkhamsted and Amersham near London, until 12. At that time I OVERACHIEVED. I received 11 Grade A's in class at school and was shocked to realise that internally I didnt feel any happier. Methodism had seemed to show me that God did not in fact exist, so I became an atheist for a year until at 13 I heard Billy Graham preach in a film shown to young people.

This was 1972. There was a wave of revival throughout England, and even my wife, totally independent from me, and from a totally non-Christian family, also became a Christian and then was baptised in the Holy Spirit in the North of England.

The Lord Jesus Christ sovereignly, meanwhile, in our town, directed two individuals from two different churches to hold a Holy Spirit and evangelism teach- in day for youth. I have believed ever since that that is the context for the power of the Spirit.

Many have heard of the Toronto Blessing or the Father's Blessing as it really is....well , I got mine 22 years earlier and like in Acts 2, was paralytically drunk, so I had to be helped downstairs, but the glory was evident upon my face. I have tried not to get too sober since.I took this anointing into school and for a while we had revival in our year group in our posh state grammar school called Dr Challenors GS in Amersham.


That was a couple of paragraphs to help you. So by this time I was in Old Amersham Baptist Church, which was one of the first renewed Baptist churches in England. Don Basham passed through it in 1967. This was the charismatic move, and very exciting.

But others came through our church continually. Including your sisters from Radlett. But also Graham Pulkingham and the Fisherfolk.And also notably Richard Wurmbrand.


Now Mother Basilea's books, Richard Wurmbrand, Watchman Nee, Bonhoeffer all stood out to me and I got hungry to know what was different. Because I could tell being a musician and artist personality like Mother Martyria, that there was something more going on in these others than in the rest of the charismatic movement.

You should know two things. One of my best friends who was 6 years older, Marcus Roberts was in that bus that somebody drove into a bridge, and had to have the roof taken off. This was the bus from JLF or Jesus Liberation Front that went to witness at the Munich Olympics. And they returned via Darmstadt. Kanaan received them wonderfully, even though they were all complete hippies for Jesus.

The second thing was that my close friends with whom a lot of young people related in Amersham had magazines from America called New Wine, but also the Catholic charismatic one called New Covenant. So around this time I was sitting and reading an incredible article that said Christianity wasnt just

believing in Christ

being filled with the Spirit.

It said instead that there was another level, or stage. That Christianity had three levels to it. As in 1 John 2:12ff Children,young men, and father level. Nobody was saying this. And now in 2012 not many are saying this either.

But a lot of us are. And in 1976 I believe I was able to see with my own eyes an early example of a community starting to live 3 level Christianity, only ofcourse Mother Basilea never called it that.

But I knew when I went back to the UK I had received things in the Spirit of God that nearly nobody else was saying in Britain at the time.

The last thing you really need to know is WHAT I HEARD in Kanaan. Well I heard and experienced many things from your culture that Jesus has raised up among you, again based on Lutheranism, but then added to as Basilea "saw" things in the Spirit of God. Mother Martyria talking on Mathaus Grunewald as an early example of Expressionist art for example.The garden of Jesus Remembrance. The fruit teas. The songs. The services.

But you should really know what was occurring at this time. Somehow Basilea got to hear of Chairman Mao's secret plans to mobilise an army on the whole of Europe and a bit frustrating to me, she left during the Jugendhelfer period to fast and pray. Today, if you read Jung Chang's book on Chairman Mao, his plans to invade are mentioned. The next thing the world knew however was Nixon and Kissinger visiting China instead. Which to us who were in the know was absolutely stupendous. You see the rest of the world had NO IDEA that a war on Europe was even in his mind.


So after a good time away fasting and praying Basilea returned. Then she immediately called us in with 2 messages from God. And they had such anointing on them, it was a bit like Moses coming down from the mountain.

She preached on "Seek the face of God as did Jacob at Peniel."

And she preached on Revelation : Go the Way of the Lamb, for it is a Way of Great Power. And as far as I could see over those couple of years or so, I thought, she's not joking! Fancy being able to stop a dictator in his tracks!

A third thing that was key. Do you remember that sometimes Basilea or Martyria would do the opposite of a Promise box? So we had to pray and pick out of a box what the Lord was going to show us was our worst sins.

I was expecting like most males it would be lust.

But you know what? Mine was worse than that. Mine was INDIFFERENCE. And I was so angry, I stayed up until late praying to prove how wrong it was. I fell asleep.

You've got to bear in mind, that I had been baptised in the Spirit at 13.I'd been a "good" Methodist boy before that. Didn't swear, until i became atheist.

But in the coming years I was going to fall into adultery (before I married at 40), I was going to be driven mad by pornography and lust, even within a Christian community....

UNTIL I truly realised that Romans 7 is an experience for Christians....not non-Christians.

Jesus lives our life. Jesus lives our Christian life. He Himself is formed in us, and He lives through our souls and our bodies.

Some separate soul existence, independently powered, is the lie in Genesis 3. When the devil said our eyes would be opened, these were the eyes of our soul, eyes that dont actually exist. The only real eyes are our spiritual ones, and our body ones...but the idea of us living as independent souls in our own right as independently powered gods comes straight out of Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28, which are the description of the delusion the devil is in.

Now we are talking 40 years later here, and Mother Basilea to my knowledge never talked with this spiritual clarity, but from what I saw, she knew a lot of this stuff on her insides. Norman Grubb, who , like Basilea and Martyria, were University trained brains coming under the Lordship of Christ and His scriptures, has written one of the clearest books so far called "Yes I am". Norman Grubb wrote the most famous intercessor book called Rees Howells Intercessor.


I was reading one of my friends' phrases this morning, She is called Nancy Gilmore. Now Nancy is like that famous book "Hi Mr God this is Anna". Nancy like smoking and dancing, so there was no way she was going to be accepted in Christian America. But through direct fellowship with the Lord she has the same if not more penetrating insight that Basilea did. She was born in 1934, but was only ever a housewife, marrying at 19.


This is how she explains what happened to all of us at the Cross.


"Spirit-spirit union is like 2 magnets joined together....CHRIST is the True Self joined to the created self (here Ole Henrik)Two as one spirit....The created Ole never becomes Christ. Christ is AS Christ in this world as Ole Henrik. The emphasis is always Christ."

You see if we say we ARE GOD we cross a line into New Age thought. But if we say we aren't God in our form, this is just as bad because scripture is clear there is only One Life in the universe, as Paul declared in Him we live and move and have our being.


Satan rose up in heaven itself, and declared himself a "separate being". He's behaving as a separate being, but he isnt really , he is just twisting God's own "self poured out for others life" back in on himself as a "self for self", or egotistic existence.


But as Basilea alluded, there is a Cross in the heart of God. He has forever decided to be a Covenant Lover. A lover that "swears to His own hurt". The only thing Basilea didnt really stress strong enough in 1974, when she was talking about going the Way of the Lamb....is that that IS THE ONLY LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE. Anything else is not the Life that Christ came to give. As soon as we are born again we receive this same quality of life, it's just like Abraham we think there's a middle realm still.


When things get tough Abraham resorted to the socalled "middle realm", claiming his wife, the very vessel by which the child of promise was going to come, was in fact his half-sister.

And this is what Christians do until they are mature. They live as functional atheists, blending in with the world's own delusion of being a self-powered self. We know there is something wrong, but we cant put our finger on it.

But "Yes I am " by Norman Grubb puts his finger on what is going on.




You see when we all died spiritually at the Cross, spirit which is us, died. Then the Bible uses great words in the Old Testament and the New Testament which both are like wound cords of thread.

Those that wait upion the Lord shall renew their strength etc....

Wait means in Hebrew Quavah or bind together

When it says our lives are hidden together in Christ in God, it's the same meaning but this time in Greek.

This is what makes John 15 to 17 about abiding actually work, when we "see" by revelation, I have died, it is NOT I that live anylonger, it is Christ.

But we cannot strut around the world saying I am Christ, or else they'll put us in a mental home. and this is because a worldly person sees everyone after the flesh. So they assume when we say "We are Christ but in our outward forms," that we are trying to say our soul is Christ, and that immediately spells mental problems.


No, we are saying we have been born again from on high, our created spirits are so entwined in Christ, as His was in the Father, we haven't a clue where one begins and the other ends. And all this , like a lightbulb, shines through the lampshade of our soul and body.


If you meet a mature Christian who has, like a seed, allowed to put them into the ground and raise them up in resurrected form, they are all the same...there is NO MIDDLE MAN. They are ALL like Gideon's smashed pots, with the Light of THE ONE LIFE of the Universe shining through.


Apart from personality, there is fundamentally no difference in the quality of Life shining through Mother Basilea, Richard Wurmbrand, Dietrich Bonhoeffer,Madame Guyon, Watchman Nee, Witness Lee,Graham Pulkingham, Corrie Ten Boom.
This is all Jesus Christ in mature form in pots of clay.


And with much greater clarity now on how we work as human beings, coupled ofcourse with all the spiritual tools and power that the Holy Spirit gives, you can begin to see how from those early days, God is building an international army that will chase the devil off God's Earth, as is spelled out in Daniel 2 and other places....it's just that in those days we didnt understand what St Paul did about Jesus doing it through the Church, and we were all waiting around at a busstop for the secondcoming of Christ. Far greater is He who is in us than we ever imagined.




Thanks for letting me communicate something. I hope you now understand that you have been used more than you think in many of our lives as a Light of something that was barely appearing anywhere on earth in the 70s.

Love in Christ

The Purpose of Prophecy - Almost a Non-answer

Purpose of Prophecy - Almost a non-answer - Chris Welch on Friday, 06 August 2010 at 15:32 Facebook
Paul Noble posed the question in Prophetic Voice: What is the Purpose of Prophecy?
To me, while the whole church is still waking up to realising there is a whole new stage emerging,it is almost the wrong question. Almost like asking a parent whether we can see a film today, when what we are actually doing is moving house.

http://080808onnowto.blogspot.com/2010/07/bbc-series-victorian-pharmacy-managing.html is a good starting place for beginning to reply on the purpose of prophecy.
The Victorian Pharmacy is an analogy for church that still believes in the "independent self". That there's us as a self, empowered by goodness knows what...self energy or something, then on either side of us there is doing the right thing with the Holy Spirit's help, or doing the wrong thing and falling into sin. This, like the said pharmacy is how we run our whole operation until better science arrives. In the case of the Pharmacy it is discoveries in bacteria and how disease works scientifically. In the church's case it is the rediscovery of Genesis 3 and what originally went wrong, and exactly how it went wrong.
Nearly all charismatic church operations work on the old system : the independent self.
Which incidentally is why prophets have such a hard time. They tend to move on instinct a lot, and almost right from the word go, as soon as they are baptised in the Spirit, they get gut feedback that something isn't right...but in a charismatic framework, never get to find out quite why.
Romans was the last of Paul's teaching letters so he'd had a lot of practice releasing the Word by then. It is incredibly precise. It is much more precise than charismatics realise. Charismatics use Romans Chapters 3,4,and 5 rightly on the subject of grace, then as if Paul is repeating himself, begin again at 6, and rehash the same teaching as before.
It IS NOT the same teaching. 3,4 and 5 is about THE BLOOD completely justifying us. 6 and 7 is about how we operate ...or rather don't operate in daily life ONCE WE have gone through 3,4 and 5. It concerns Jesus' BODY death. The blood is not mentioned. A full understanding of this can be read in "Yes I am" by Norman Grubb.
Until churches "get " Romans 6-8 the only tools they have available are the charismatic tools of "The Promises of Deuteronomy 28" together with all sorts of other promises scattered throughout the Word. Because these verses , belief and confession all have power, all of us can testify to amazing things that have happened to us in the charismatic church. The whole of the 80s and 90s American sattellite TV was based on this.
But according to the Bible and specifically St John this is "young men stage church".
(men and women included ofcourse).
Father stage church we are told is for those who "KNOW (union word) Him who is from the beginning."
They have passed through the reckoning stages of Romans 6 and 7 and have discovered the total balderdash lie of Satan's hoax "the independent self". They now know they are Christ as them, in their form, in their personalities and bodies. As Jesus promised in the Upper room in John 17.
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The ramifications for prophecy are huge.
Charismatic churches only believe we can get so far on this earth. In the Spirit, if not verbally, they declare Jesus words in John 17 to be a lie. I must stress this is a hidden thing, everyone would be appalled if they knew it true...but in the Spirit they are calling Jesus a liar.And most of this is coming from holding on so erroneously but firmly to the desperate delusion of "independant self". There is no either/ or in this. If any part of you still believes in the independent self, in just that area, Satan is able to paralyse the life of Christ in you, and prevent it from fully forming.
This then affects church prophecy. Most common prophecy is about Jesus hooking us out of this mess because we cannot cope.
Biblical prophecy is about us being Overcomers. There is a big difference. Romans 8 is about us proving the love of God right here right now in the midst of prison, persecution, hatred, lies. We actually get to experience the wonder of God coming through for us in the worst of situations, such that everyone wonders at the Presence of God in our lives. But we laugh...because it is Him. Death has worked in us so that His Life can come forth.

No prophet if genuine, is entirely in charge of the content of his message. He/she will prophecy with amazing accuracy things that are way beyond their present understanding. Peter, on the day of Pentecost, preached very clearly about Gentiles coming in....but had to be re-convinced later through a trance. So, actually, much of the charismatic prophecies given where people really hunger after God's Presence are in fact incredibly accurate. The problem with charismatics are when they are not prophesying. Not worshipping. Just rabbiting on under their own steam, with their own understanding.

So to sum up. Prophecy in the Old Testament, in charismatic churches, and in the Emerging Church may not change too much, since it is dependant on the wonderful Holy Spirit giving the burden,and the message.Certain aspects of Pharmacy life were left unchanged by science, and some of the same remedies are still used today. But if anyone tried to tell you that this proves everything is as it always was...well no historian would refrain from bursting out laughing.
If you as prophets think all the charismatic church needs is a few tweaks here and there, well you just haven't seen Romans 6-8 properly yet.

Our world needs places that manifest God's Kingdom of Love....and this is what Kanaan (Darmstadt Community) is all about

When Romans 8 says the whole of creation is groaning/in labour/waiting expectantly for the sons of God to come into their inheritance....you can see there's some amazing things up ahead!!!
When I first started learning this stuff at age 16 in Darmstadt Frankfurt with Mother Basilea Schlink , I was looking at their trees, their fish,their fruit,their buildings, their quality of life. Already a bit of creation was getting released. Huge ripe fruit. Big big fish. Imagine what happens when the church at large "get" this stuff big time??

One spinoff in Romans is that the Jews will get jealous, and be provoked into recognising the Messiah. So, history is locked into the fulfilment of these understandings.