Showing posts with label Brian Coatney. Show all posts
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Thursday, 1 September 2016

Brian Coatney on the truth about our Will


Is the Will in the Soul or the Spirit?
by Brian Coatney
The question of where the will resides popped up freshly in a recent discussion at the Hopkinsville mini-conference. In my early Christian years, the idea of the will being in the soul did not satisfy. There in the soul, along with emotions and mental reason, the will seemed out of place and the spirit too vague with its definition of being a more intuitive and conscience oriented entity.
But let’s think about what it means to be person. Whatever it means, a seeker of truth needs to penetrate to the core. Either a human is a spirit person or not. If to be a person is to be a spirit, then the key has to be there. How can the decision-making faculty that determines life and death reside in a part of you that is not your core?
Another matter that has to be decided is whether love is of the will or of the emotion. Fallen humanity revels in love being of the emotions and body, both of which God created, but neither of which makes a good governor of one’s person-hood. William Law put the Bible’s concept of love well when he said that love is willed action for others. Love is not self-for-self and this makes emotion, or mental reasoning, or hormones a poor place into which to tuck the most essential of all human capacities – the will.
Thus it made much more sense when I read Norman Grubb to see that he identifies a person-hood as the capacity to desire, to will, and to know. This in fact is the image of God and what gives us the spirit to Spirit connection with him that we are created to cultivate.
Consider too that as right as soul and body are as the outer means of God’s expression on the earth, they are not spirit and therefore need a governor. Jesus told the woman at the will, “God is spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.” Life is inner but expressed through the outer.
Frankly, it sounds animalistic to place the will of a person in the outer casing of the person–among the functions that Hebrews says must be divided from spirit. Hebrews chapter four says that the mature let the Spirit of God divide for them soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It would take a spirit to see as a spirit sees, and thus the spirit of a person gets illuminated and sees the difference between soul and spirit when the Holy Spirit does that dividing and reveals it to the spirit of a person.
Because of the fall, order and priority got reversed. Adam was meant to live in this world but not of it. He craved to be of it and fell. He craved to be as an animal, and the only reversal to the fall is for one who is lost to move back into the heavenly realm inside by letting the will be drawn back into subjection to God’s will and nature. Then, the outer man will take its proper place and not be the center of interest.
Fallen humanity is in love in a self-centered way with evolution and progress because they inflame the false hope that to be human is to be a self-indulgent animal that thinks only for today and its flesh instead of eternity and life in the Spirit of God. It’s the fall that keeps hope alive that will resides in the soul, whereas a spirit will is free in Christ to live above the soul and body. It is not too good to live in a soul and body and does not despise them, but it does not make them central either.
God put the will in the spirit, right where it belongs and according to the image of God.
from Facebook, passed on through Roel Velema

Sunday, 8 July 2012

The Revelation of The Mystery.....Elizabeth ? and an excerpt from Brian Coatney

  • I just received this from a friend:


    Who existed before all things IN whom all things are held together. He Himself who is the Head of His body who is the Beginning the Firstborn among the dead so that He Himself in every respect might occupy the chief place and stand first and Preeminent. For it has pleased the Father (who thru He Himself is my Father too) that ALL the DIVINE Perfection Power (Christ He Himself is the Power and Wisdom of God our Father) and Attributes, dwell Permanently IN HIM .

    Although I, Elizabeth, having known Him for so many years has not known the Message of Him IN me. He Himself has granted me to have the eyes of my heart flooded so that I am in the process of Understanding the Hope to which He Himself has called me which is Christ IN me the Hope of Glory. And now He Himself, by His Faith, has grounded, settled, causes me to be steadfast, not shifting from the Hope of the Message of He Himself IN me by the precious Holy Spirit I am daily taught I IN HIM, by Conforming me in my Soul (where the knowledge of Christ IN Me AS ME is worked out). How glorious, how absolute beyond everything I have ever known in my life of 69 years is

    it to NOW know the Mystery which was hidden for ages and generations before I ever was born. That by He, Himself the Living Word, The Seed of My Father, this Revelation is revealed to me.

    In great Adoration I can only say Thank You My Father for having had me in mind even BEFORE the foundation of the world to be a sharer of this amazing plan of Yours.

    It is by Grace that He Himself has accepted me. Today I am a minister in accordance with the divine Stewardship with which He Himself has trusted me to make known His Message the Mystery now revealed.

    HE HIMSELF did it.
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       This is an excerpt from Brian Coatney's post as they gather around his mother in law Mimi

      “Why Ephesians?” It is a view from the top, pouring out God’s redemptive plan for redeeming His lost sons and bringing them by His kindness and grace into son-ship and an inheritance that includes his “manifold wisdom” in the “administration of the mystery.” I looked up manifold, and it means many or varied; and the Amplified translates it like this: “a]complicated, many-sided wisdom of God in all its infinite variety and innumerable aspects” (Eph. 3: 9-10 biblegate.com). This doesn’t mean that God’s wisdom in His plan is unknowable; it means that by the Spirit, we have received as part of our inheritance understanding into rich mysteries that no one could ever know apart from God’s revelation in Christ, and which are open now by the Spirit to each and every child of God who wishes to delve deeply.

      I also pondered the phrase “administration of the mystery” used by the NASB and NIV. Administration can trigger unpleasant political thoughts since admin is so often perceived as the bulky and inefficient leadership associated with a misguided world where not everyone is “in the know” and where the cream stays at the top and those down the chain are the appointed automatons of the selfish elite. However, we know that God’s administration is the right use of administration, and in Ephesians Paul tells every child of God that the mystery is for all to know and explore.

      The word translated administration is translated fellowship in the KJV and Young’s Literal Translation. Whereas administration might sound more technical, fellowship adds warm notes, though both fit together, and the two different translations here give rich support to each other. Young’s even says “fellowship of the secret,” secret being an alternate translation for mystery. Secret gives the idea that all readers are now privy to the greatest secret of all time. Does anyone want to know the biggest secret of all in the grandest of all administrations ever? It’s right there splashed out in Ephesians.

Saturday, 23 June 2012

Impossible looking faith ~ Brian Coatney

In Luke chapter 9, we meet the woman who for 12 years had suffered from an in curable blood flow. 
 
Along comes Jesus, and wouldn’t you know it, he is thronged. 

Ordinarily, an approacher would step up, greet, and request. The crowd around Jesus made that impossible, but she knew that healing power was flowing from him and that she had to get to him, even if in an unnoticed way to touch a part of his clothes that would most likely go unnoticed and not get her in trouble for cutting into line.

So she formulated a hope 
about power 
extending to one’s clothes
 and rewrote the book on manners.  

Critics could call her superstitious and presumptuous, but Jesus knew that an unusual faith had plotted carefully with intense desire and sought him out at great risk of rejection or humiliation.

 He rewarded that faith. 
What no man had been able to do, 
Jesus did simply 
by having a desperate person 
draw it out of him. 

Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever according to Hebrews. 
 The Gospel is not a transition, an historical record that has given way to a different Jesus. 

He still responds to those who take all risks and draw out of him what they need, and He isn’t fussy about society’s rules for gaining access. 

His one rule is desperation, desire, and stepping up. Seek and ye shall find.
Manners may send someone to hell; faith will never fail.

Sunday, 3 June 2012

Twin Mirrors ~ brian coatney




Twin Mirrors
Something we can’t live without inside
gets destroyed—what to us was god.
This loss brings depression much too dark to hide,
which at first is the playground for the devil’s rod.
 
Such is woeful, “Why me? I want to die—
better to die than the mandate of this endure.”
But the soft, sweet Spirit says, “That is a lie;
the Cross is hard, but it is the lasing cure.”
 
That devil’s rod went out when Christ is in.
The lie once won, but truth now gets the nod.
No more does our master have the name of sin:
“You’ve died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.”
 
Something irreplaceable stands inside,
in the temple now, a ravishment complete.
Truth and beauty, twin mirrors standing wide
hold us captive in a kingly seat.
 
BC:6/2/12

Sunday, 12 June 2011

Silky Linen Powdered Wings - Brian Coatney's Poems

A Million Thoughts

When a million thoughts
go through your mind,
catch them like butterflies,
so the thinking goes,
bringing every thought captive.

What about those thoughts that
aren’t butterflies though?
Ah ha, to make them into such
takes magic we don’t have
but think we should,

if not to the end of what a soul is,
that butterfly catching and making
is not the doing of us doers,
but the being of the is-er.

This is-er, we find, doesn’t even
catch or take a thought, much less
a million , and morph them
into butterflies, or ask us to.

But in the mystery of the new mind,
not I but Christ, and His
silky, linen effortless way,
powdered wings float everywhere.

This might be in the midst of
all that is excruciating,
but simple it is, and sweet.
And there is where we meet.


BC/9-26-10







Clay

I am clay,
traversed or planted in
the ordinary way.

Colors vary,
task to task,
or texture on a given day,

but basically,
this is clay.

Even when a potter’s fantasy,
it’s dirt,
but oh so rich I always say.

Never despise it;
it’s the rudiment of Adam,
putting God on display.

Clay is what I am—
as real as toast and jam.

BC/9-17-2010



Enlightenment

I was looking for an enlightened place,
free from harangue, toes not stepped on,
where no one spells the word disgrace,
but all is a heavenly Autobahn.

I opened all doors, where one might look—
examined for Diogenes—
a lamp, a rail, a holy book,
security in all of these.

Failing in that, while cynical still,
the Spirit of Christ arrested me,
offered His mind to my now eager will,
as the restful fountain of sanity.

No more did I search externally;
for one’s spirit is lamp and wick to burn,
its only fuel derives not from me,
but the shining of divinity.


BC/8-12-10




Tears

The tears falling from
my eyes are many kinds:
the crystal ones, transparent
to the heart of God;
those like rain that refresh,
both in dry and wet times;
the beautifully shaped ones,
as water in a form is;
those varied in their fall,
some filling the eyes,
others running over, then down cheeks,
while others seem to fly out
into air—each falling perfectly;
the ones that pull up everything
the heart needed to purge;
those of joy;
those of grief;
those of anguish;
but all of them from the mother of tears,
from the land of abba,
from bread of life,
from the holy pneuma.
Yes, many kinds of tears land in a bottle
both near and far—
near—the bottle in my hand;
far—the place beyond,
which is all the more like home
the more I see it.

BC/7-2-2010





Play

I can always hear from God
straight up,
but often it’s fun to hear Him
through you:
either is fine to do;
the nice thing about the latter way,
is that it’s one of God’s,
thus our, favorite ways to play.

When you don’t know
the straight-up way,
you chase ministers all the time,
frustrated not to get enough,
and this is not a crime, deliberately done,
but doesn’t sound the ultimate chime
of playing things either way.

The main thing is to hear;
yes, without that
one is always guessing,
seeking God’s will like
a dart game with the board
way too far away,
which I would find distressing.

God doesn’t make the game that hard;
serious workers do—
like I once was,
where if you make things too easy,
the game doesn’t fit one’s pride,
leaving one flapping around
without enough to do.
That might dangerously lead
to a look on the inside.

But when it’s OK to score every time,
dart to the bull’s-eye—
oh, not without tension,
and loads of suspense all along
(Please don’t consider those things wrong)—
then the game is always certain and fun,
without unbelief about the outcome
when all is said and done.

BC/6-30-2010




Filled

There’s the one morosely
held, day after day, in the
threads of matted sweat,
in their loneliness,

watching what the
soul sold itself to get,
fall down into the pit,
while the last fragment
of emptiness it can give,
wastes away in the doldrums.

Looking into the mirror,
sunken sockets mockingly greet —
a face to trade for light,
and in a twinkling, it’s done.

There’s the one resting quietly,
who has found nothing,
and nothing has found him;
therein lies the tale:
to let God go that deep
without bolting,
brings the heavenly water.

This one is no longer enamored with self,
but with the anointing,
a cup that can’t be
lonely any more.

This one will not do;
he will not speak:
but in that rest,
the stillness feeds him.

The garden is inhabited now;
pleasantness drops her dew,
and much there is
for pleasantness to do.



BC/5-27-10

Brian Coatney on Whosoever will. Andre Rabe on All and Each.

 Whosoever Will by Brian Coatney
First published on June 11th 2011 on briancoatneydotcom

Paul thought a lot about Jews and Gentiles. We might not think so much about them, but if we have a world view, we do think about cultures and nations, and the Bible is not a provincial book but a universal book in that God cares for all of creation. When he talked to Jonah at the end of the book of Jonah, He even mentioned “much cattle” (4:11 RSV). The idea that God only concerns Himself with the well being of a remnant misses the agony of God over everything and everyone He has created, whether they believe or not.

Love cannot harden itself; it must suffer, and this is the distinctive of the Bible, that God cannot avoid suffering Himself and does not even choose to do so, but reaches out His hand to save all who will believe. It doesn’t appear that way in the Old Covenant, but in His wisdom God knew the very best way to proceed, and human reasoning can question it, but Wisdom will be justified by all her children in the end. And so the fact that God’s salvation began with the various eras in Genesis and then proceeded to the Old Covenant under Moses is something I bow to and not something I examine to see if it is fitting.

Now to Romans 10, Paul has agonized over his countrymen, stood fast with God’s open door to the Gentiles, and now comes back to his fellow Jews to comment. It would be good to add that to a Jew, there existed only two types of people: Jews and those who were not Jews. This was an either/or, and one was a Jew or a Gentile, and in our age of diversity awareness, it can seem strange that to Jews, all the world was an “us or them” world of good guys and bad guys, depending simply on whether one’s flesh traced back to the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Picture:Brian and Tandy Coatney
Now comes the scary part: vast numbers of people can have a “zeal for God” that is “not enlightened” (10:2). This means that zeal can be ignorant, and the worst ignorance is zeal for God that comes from living under law, whereby the worshiper measures righteousness by God’s standard, but does not measure it by His ultimate standard, which looks at the doer and not the standard itself. As a number of my old mentors often said, “Its not the what but the who.”

I didn’t understand this for years, and it was costly ignorance, but thankfully it was ignorance that wore me down and led to Christ’s righteousness and not my own. Even when I knew it in my head for a long time, it hadn’t settled in as spirit knowing, and it takes a shattering to come to that, but such is good.

Going through this process of getting to the end of self righteousness is painful not only to the one going through it but to the grace people around because the person under law goes through upheavals that buffet the grace onlooker or preacher. In Paul’s case, he often had angry people trying to kill him, and the persecutors were stirred by his own countrymen. Yet he never wavered from saying, “my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may saved.” He did not wish their damnation but their salvation.

He wished them to see that every single thing that they thought needed law in order to attain a resolution, finds its completion in Christ. All of the law is fulfilled in Christ because Christ is the very nature of love and goodness behind the law. To have Christ is to never have need for a law to bring flesh into compliance. The nature of Christ drives a Christian finally to see this.

When we don’t see this, the issues of life look unduly complicated, when in fact, they are so simple that love looks too easy. Moses told the people that their problem was that they kept thinking that someone needed to go up to heaven or beyond the sea to bring them God’s answer for their need (Deut: 30:11-14). The answer, however, at every stage of revelation has always been near and “on the lip and in the heart” needing only for faith to pull its trigger to bring life. The devil’s lie is that the answer is far away; God’s answer has always been near. That answer may not be the full revelation of the mystery, but even nature has always declared the glory of God as Paul says in Romans 1 and says again here in chapter 10.

This does not mean that no urgency exists to extend the full Gospel to everyone everywhere. That urgency pours throughout Paul’s writings, and he cannot rest while there are people who do not know a living savior that they can call upon themselves. Paul’s poetry is sublime here in the way he asks how they can call on one “in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without a preacher? And how can men preach unless they are sent?” (10:14-15).

Poetry does not mean sentimental disconnectedness from reality; poetry is born from suffering and the faith that grows out of suffering. The suffering that Paul concludes with in this chapter is the grief of seeing great numbers of those for whom the Gospel is the fulfillment of their rich tradition, refuse the culmination in Christ of all that their history led up to. Yet this is not new, and Paul recognized this in the whole prophetic tradition in which it was commonplace for the elect nation to turn away.


This discourages all but the stalwart in faith. Just as Abraham could have given up on God’s promise because of the long wait, the barrenness of Sarah, and the misunderstanding about Ishmael, Paul could have given up on the promise of a new creation that fulfills God’s full elective purposes for heirs in Christ to rule the world.

God used the unbelief of His people to reach out to those “who did not seek me” and His family of sons includes any who believe. How glorious! How thankful I am to be included in that family, and once I truly saw that, I did not turn away because of the disturbing number of those who don’t believe.

In 1994, living in a halfway house where so few recovered and so many took their checks and spent them on useless items within a few days, the house parent said to me one day, “Don’t get your hopes up for recovering. One in a hundred really recovers.”

I said, “I’ll be that one!” By this, I did not mean to be arrogant or to wish that others be the ones not to believe.” The door is open to all. I had simply come to the place in life where I did not live by percentages but by faith. If anyone can believe, then I can and do believe. That is the message of Romans 10: no matter what others do, or what their background has been, we have been living in a new day since the Gospel’s full manifestation and proclamation.

Anyone may believe and live an abundant life.
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All and each – the scope and intensity of God’s love.By Andre Rabe.
First published on Hearhim.net

… there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;  one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in all. But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift.” Eph 4:4-7
Notice the following from the scripture above: “ …Father of ALL… above ALL … through ALL … in ALL … but to EACH ONE of us grace was given
If each grain of sand on the seashore were numbered
and the sum labeled “chosen of God,”
They’d be numbers still, not names;
salvation comes by personal selection.
God doesn’t count us; he calls us by name.
Arithmetic is not his focus.
Rom 9:27 MSG
In this writing, I want to look at both the scope and the focus of what God accomplished in Christ. Both are important and compliment one another. If we give a wrong emphasis to personal encounter it can become so narrow-minded, so introspective that it excludes and becomes useless to humanity. In the same way, we can so focus on the all-inclusive nature of redemption that it becomes theoretical and without personal impact.
The gospel reveals that God has successfully reconciled all to Himself, with such intensity that each one is called by name into a personal encounter with God. This very individual encounter does not exclude humanity, but invites them into the same unique and deeply personal relationship with Him.
The scope of reconciliation.
Lets start with the scope of God’s work of redemption – who is God’s audience, and who benefits from what He has done?
The word ‘all’ is very prevalent in Paul’s writings. This has presented great difficulties to those who hold to a theory of ‘some’ are elected and ‘some’ are rejected. One of the arguments that they present to counter the meaning of the word ‘all’ is that Paul obviously wrote to a specific audience of believers and that the ‘all’ he spoke of, is limited to the people he wrote to.
Well, thankfully Paul himself gave us an explanation of what he meant when he said ‘all’.
Col 1:15-20
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over ALL creation. For by Him ALL things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. ALL things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before ALL things, and in Him ALL things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in ALL things He may have the preeminence.
For it pleased the Father that in Him ALL the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile ALL things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
So Paul defines what ‘all’ means, namely: everything created, visible or invisible. There is only one Creator, and everything He created is the audience of reconciliation.
Again in Rom 5:18 Paul gives a clear definition of what he means by all.
Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to ALL men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to ALL men, resulting in justification of life.
Obviously Paul is not limiting his use of the word ‘all’ to those who first received the letter. Yes, he wrote the letter to a specific audience, but his message concerns all men in all time. In fact, on one occasion Paul says that he is a minister to all of creation under heaven! (Col 1:23)
A scripture that summarises the all-inclusive work of Christ is 2 Cor 5:19: “…in Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed the message of reconciliation to us.
Even the classic passages (Rom 9-11) that were used to support the idea of ‘some’ are elect and ‘some’ are rejected, end with this conclusion: “For God has imprisoned ALL in disobedience, so that He may have mercy on ALL.” (Rom 11:32)
If you read all three chapters in context, you’ll notice that the ‘elect’ become the ‘non-elect’ and the ‘non-elect’ become the ‘elect’. Being non-elect therefore is not a permanent state that cannot be changed, rather it is a temporal state, to which there is only one ultimate conclusion. The message translation says it so beautifully:
…there was a time not so long ago when you were on the outs with God. But then the Jews slammed the door on him and things opened up for you. Now they are on the outs. But with the door held wide open for you, they have a way back in. In one way or another, God makes sure that we ALL experience what it means to be outside so that he can personally open the door and welcome us back in.” Rom 11:30-32 MSG
So I hope it is clear that all means all. The scope of what Christ did for man is all-inclusive – the world was reconciled, the world was forgiven.
How did Paul come to this understanding? There was a time when Paul did not understand this – he wrote about this saying: “… we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer” 2 Cor 5:16. There was a time when Paul considered Jesus as just another individual, but something happened that gave Paul a completely new understanding.
At some stage Paul came to the conclusion that what happened with Christ, did not just happen to Him individually, but had significance for all of humanity … all of creation.
Maybe at some stage after his conversion, he read Hosea 6:2:
After two days He will revive us;
On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.
…and maybe as he read this, he realised that the death of Christ was not the death of an individual man, but the death of the whole Adamic race that stood guilty and under the judgement of God … maybe this is what made him realise that Jesus’ resurrection, was the revival of a new humanity that stood blameless before God.
It could have been this scripture that inspired him to write: “If one died for all, then all have died … Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh” 2 Cor 5:14-16
Or it could have been the encounter he had with Jesus, that left him blind for three days, that gave him this insight. Whatever and whenever it happened, it is clear that Paul understood the significance of Christ as something much more than an individual act, that could potentially benefit individuals. He saw that the world … all of creation … was deeply and in reality affected by the life, death and resurrection of Christ.
When the Word became flesh, when God became a man, it was the Creator and Origin of every man that was made flesh in the person of Christ Jesus. As such He represents each and every man. Everything He did, and everything that happened to Him, happened in the context of the incarnation, the context of a God who so completely embraced His creation, that whatever happened to Him, happened to His creation.
It is because of this association that His resurrection is not just the resurrection of one man, but the birth of the new creation! (Col 1:15)
Intensity
Within the enormity and all-inclusive nature of this redemption, God preserved His focus and the intensity of its implications for each individual. As the Message translation states so beautifully:
God doesn’t count us; he calls us by name.
Arithmetic is not his focus. “  God is not a duplicator, but a creator. He uniquely and individually designed you. You were on His mind from the beginning.
Even as [in His love] He chose us [actually picked us out for Himself as His own] in Christ before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy (consecrated and set apart for Him) and blameless in His sight, even above reproach, before Him in love.”
Eph 1:4 Amp
His love is not a general feeling of goodwill towards humanity, but an intense love which began even before time began, when He dreamed about you individually. He knew you even before He formed you in your mother’s womb. (Jer 1:5)
O LORD, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.
Even before there is a word on my tongue,
Behold, O LORD, You know it all.
You have enclosed me behind and before,
And laid Your hand upon me.
My frame was not hidden from You,
When I was made in secret,
And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth;
Your eyes have seen my unformed substance;
And in Your book were all written
The days that were ordained for me,
When as yet there was not one of them.
(Ps 139:1-5,15,16)
Can it get more personal, more intimate than that? He knew you, dreamt about you, and anticipated every detail of your life, before you were formed!
No more hear-say
At one stage Jesus asked His disciples: “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” They answered: “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.
For many of us, there was a time were we only knew Jesus based on what someone told us about Him. And there are many opinions to choose from. But there comes a time when He confronts you personally and says: “But who do you say that I am?
His knowledge of you is not general … He even knows the number of hairs you have on your head! He desires that your knowledge of Him will also be just as personal and intimate.
The intensity of the incarnation.
When the Word became flesh, the implications were both universal and individual. He embraced humanity and your being individually. He made your cause His own. You were present, when your Creator, your Designer, your Originator became a man in the person of Christ Jesus.
The relationship between God and man was fulfilled, completed and perfected in this one God-man person, Christ Jesus. We are invited into an already perfected relationship. “God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Cor 1:9
This does not simply refer to fellowship with Jesus, but the fellowship of Jesus. In other words the same quality of fellowship Jesus enjoys with the Father, is the quality of relationship you are called into.
Love awakened.
Love anticipates a response of equal quality … love aims to awaken and stir.
As for me, I will continue beholding Your face in righteousness; I shall be fully satisfied, when I awake beholding Your form” Ps 17:15
This is part of what repentance means: to come to your senses, to come to yourself, to awaken!
We can make a decision for God, because He made one for us. We love, because He first loved us. We can respond in faith as we reflect the faith He has shown in us. This romance, this ecstasy has no place for formal protocols and mechanical replies … simply respond naturally to the love He reveals.
In conclusion: The scope of God’s love is ‘all’, the focus of His love is each one. Understanding the ‘all’ gives us the motivation to speak to any person. In our communication of this gospel, the aim is nothing less than bring the individual to a place of intimate encounter with God. To do that we need to see both these aspects: this person is included … part of the ‘all’ and secondly, this person is individually known and loved by God. What good news we have!
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Comment on Andre's post - Chris Welch
In 1976 Ern was led to drop the bombshell at Dales Bible Week that “the LAND”…was the whole Earth….this side of the return of Christ. This was an apostolic injunction. It was more than a thought. It literally blew to smithereens the purpose for which we thought we had been called…namely to get people saved and line them up at a bus stop. And from that moment on so much changed. Now there was a huge “flesh outworking” of what originally came in the Spirit.
But I think the Word of Christ which you are bringing is like a fresh apostolic insistence on the Body of exactly what the OPEN DOOR of our commission is. ALL.But I won’t call you Ern Mark 2. I’ll call you God’s original….Andre Rabe Mark 1.
2. In rightly highlighting the ALL , but also the personal you are doing something which has been buzzing around my insides.
Connect the “carcasses passage”, split in two in genesis 15 with the two edged sword of Hebrews 4 dividing soul power from spirit, together with the phrase “rightly dividing the Word of God”. Now put all that together and watch how the flaming torch passed between ,or in the middle of the carcasses , entirely self-powered…that is God-powered. And there we have some picture of the nature of the true Word…neither all one thing or all the other, in fact it is something of another order, quite separate from the dead carcasses of our one sidedness…and just floats supernaturally in between. It is that truth i quoted from Imagine earlier, that as you said, we declare the gospel, but it is God Himself who makes the connection spirit to spirit.

Saturday, 11 June 2011

Brian Coatney on Election and Free will. Bonnie Morris on Purpose v. Plan

Election or Freewill , Fish or Fowl -Max Escher





Structure in Romans: the most famous election in history, yours

Posted on June 10, 2011 by Brian Leslie Coatney


Romans 9 brings up many conundrums, and how well I remember my systematic theology studies and the many earnest schemata on the doctrine of election, along with attempts to reconcile them with freedom. I’m already tired just thinking about how tired that made me, and surely one can know the sovereignty of God without undue intricacies.

Let me address freedom for a moment. Freedom is not a quality apart from God that He gives us whereby we make choices; freedom, rather, is the foundation of God’s being, out of which God operates, beginning in the free sea of nothingness and proceeding to His eternal choice to be for others, which is why there is a Cross in the heart of God. Therefore, when God gives us freedom, He cannot give it apart from Himself, for all He can give is Himself, making even freedom a process in God alone, into which we enter and in which we decide whether to unite with the Cross in His heart or to shrink back from the Cross in His heart into a potentiality of misused freedom that God Himself eternally never enters into.

Having said that, let me get started with Romans 9 and lave my opening comments where they are, with the suggestion that any may see a fuller treatment of freedom in The Cross in the Heart of God by Alan Parker. Sylvia Pearce has made this available on her web site theliberatingsecret.org in the reading room there.

Paul no sooner in every way affirms with all passion that nothing can separate us from the love of God than he says that he is willing to be accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of his countrymen, the Jews. Notice, though, that this is his voluntary depth of love and not a legalistic constraint. Further, Paul does not think this up himself, but it is the full formation of his own son-ship that leads him to say this, meaning that as a son of God in Christ, he has embraced the same Spirit that Jesus did in going to the Cross, in that Paul is willing for Christ to do in him, Paul, as Christ Himself did on our behalf.

Paul is not saying that Christ did not do in totality all required for our salvation. Nothing can add to the blood and body of Christ that saved us, and no other can accomplish that for us. Paul is not suggesting differently; he is mirroring what he says in Colossians where he makes it plain that once someone knows Christ living within, the full measure of that comes out is passion to be used up in an intercessory way whereby Christ continues laying down His life in the world for others, but now he does it by those in whom he is formed in son-ship.

Also, in case readers might think that Paul’s passion for the Gentiles sprang out of disillusionment with the Jews, he tells us how deep and permanently his love in Christ runs for the Jews. His love is no less, no matter how greatly his love for the Gentiles grows. Plainly, though, not many Jews at that time received the Gospel. Numerically, the number of converts from Judaism to Christianity was only a remnant, but this did not indicate failure on the part of the Gospel.

Paul states this in a way similar to his approach in Romans 1 and 2 where he says, “He is a Jew who is one inwardly” (2:29 RSV). Fleshly, external identity does not constitute one’s identity; faith constitutes one’s identity. Further, works, either good or evil, have nothing to do with God’s choice since God’s word to Sarah, and then later to Rebecca, had to do with supernatural birthing, not natural birthing. The argument here is that a son of God, no matter who or when, is a true son by miraculous conception in the Spirit and not merely externally by race.

The outcry of the fleshly mind against this concerns a supposed desire for the preservation of justice. If our good or bad actions do not serve as the defining weights on the scales of justice, then how can life make sense? Wouldn’t the universe be capricious and random? No, because the new birth must be a birth that doesn’t hinge on anything about the human but hinges only on God’s mercy. Why God created those whom He knew would reject Him is His business, and Paul says here that God did this in order to birth offspring who are offspring only by His mercy. He called the Jews by mercy, and He now also calls the Gentiles by mercy.

A huge key to understanding Paul’s thought here depends on seeing that he writes this chapter not as an exercise in systematic theology, but as a passionate apologetic for his ministry to the Gentiles. You see, he tells us about Sarah, and Isaac, and Rebecca, and Jacob, in order to get to a huge point: the GENTILES! He is showing that God all along intended to open the door to those not apparently called, just as He has always, even with the patriarchs, called those apparently not called by birth order, rank, office, power, etc.

Clearly in the Old Testament, the Jews were called, and the Gentiles were not called. Paul affirms this in Ephesians chapters 3 and 4, and he says it was a mystery hidden that the Gentiles would be invited into the family of faith and seen as the elect, and Paul cites Old Testament scriptures down the stretch in Romans 9 to make this very point – that scripture all along indicated really, between the lines, that the nations of the world would be invited into the elect family.

This does not mean that the Jewish nation is now excluded; it means that the non Jewish nations are included, and that Christ fully forms Himself in anyone who receives Him and presses on into son-ship. The Bible does not recognize partial versions of salvation wherein a believer settles merely for going to heaven some day. The all out drive in scripture is for fully developed sons who operate the Father’s business of restoration and dominion in the world.

My point in all of this is to say what Paul’s point is in all of this. He is not expostulating on ideas about election that have to do with calling or not calling individuals according to an abstract plan. God is calling real people to really know Him and be known as sons, to whom He according to mercy establishes them as His friends and heirs. He does this according to faith, and in Paul’s day, God opened up this calling to anyone in whole world who would like to be included. The means is miraculous birthing in the Spirit into the body of Christ and is negotiated by faith alone.

This is what Romans 9 is about.
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Chris writes:
Election and Freewill are sorted out for me , only within Union, this glorious mindblowing thing that God has already declared in Jesus in John 17....and is just as really making it ever more manifest here on planet earth.
Namely,He, the Father, in the Son,making their home in us by the Spirit.
It was always going to be that the eleven brothers were going to bow to Joseph, the other brother. and it worked itself out ever so naturally....despite everything they did to prevent such an outcome. The Joseph community today, that portion of Jew and Gentile who already believe in the Son, by letting the Holy Spirit shape, form and bring to maturity could so easily then be something the remaining 11 Jewish brothers (Israel) might wish to be around. But it won't be a forced thing. it will outwork itself quite naturally.

WHAT ABOUT THIS?
Bonnie Morris
from her Bridgebuilder site
This article is unlike anything I have ever attempted to write. It will address subjects that have been the topic of many heated debates amongst Christian theologians, as well as lay members. After much study and consideration of the schools of thought on both sides of any given issue in different church beliefs, I was always left with many thought provoking questions that were never answered. I was also left without conclusions to things concerning God that I did not believe had to be so elusive. I also did not believe anyone found solid revelations concerning these subjects as there were holes in their concepts which provoked my questioning them. Over the years, I have continued to ask God for the answers to these questions.
In the 1990’s (I don’t remember the particular year), a prophetess pointed to me in a meeting and spoke the following word over me: “Questions, questions, questions!!! God says you have so many questions and He wants you to know that one day you will discover that He has answered every one of them.” That day is TODAY!
The following article is an explanation that has satisfied the quest of my own journey to understand a few things concerning our God. Maybe it will satisfy you too; maybe not. But for me to have spent the major portion of my walk with Christ searching this out, I think it is at least worthy of your consideration.
The Lord shared one key with me that solved every dilemma I had with every subject. SELAH! Pause and think about this a moment. ONE KEY!!! …AND it answered EVERY question? YES! It was like a miracle! All of a sudden nothing contradicted itself. Scriptures that hadn’t made much sense, now made sense. God could be seen! Sometimes in searching for answers, God seemed like He was schizophrenic, saying one thing here and another there. It was simply because I wasn’t seeing clearly. I can see clearly now and the rain is gone. AND to think there it was! ONE KEY to it all. Amazing, simply amazing!!! I am still amazed.
So first, rather than write about the subjects that caused all the questions, I am going to give you the key to answering all of them. This is the key: Properly understanding the difference in two words: PLAN and PURPOSE.
Many will say, “I didn’t know there was a difference in those words. Well, you see, this was my problem too. I didn’t know there was a difference either… until… He whispered it in the ear of my heart. AND… then it took days, weeks, and months for it to sink in and REALLY make the crooked paths straight in so many areas of my thinking. Romans 12:2 Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind. Remember, it took me years of seeing things incorrectly; it takes time to work the truth fully through one’s thinking to get to where it changes areas of confusion in our souls.
Others will say, “I have always known there is a difference in the words plan and purpose, but I didn’t realize the meanings were so meaningfully different insofar as the interpretation of scripture goes.. Well, let me say this NOW…. IT IS MEANINGFULLY DIFFERENT! It is almost this important: I had heard of Him with the hearing of my ears, but now mine eye doth see!!!
Still others will read this article and say: “I don’t know what the big deal is.” I can only say to that: “then you missed “HEARING” it” May I suggest to you that you read it again. AND again! UNTIL you GET IT.
Some understanding of the difference between plan and purpose can be seen by reading Webster, but not entirely when it comes to relating it to the scriptures. The scripture itself never mentions the word plan. This is a real indication that believers have not understood this as they constantly say “God has a plan…for the gospel…for my life. This is simply not true. WHY isn’t it true? I will give you 4 reasons (for now) why this is simply not true. Now I adjure you to please get past this statement and read the rest of the article because I can just hear religion hitting many of you over the head right now and you are thinking… She’s nuts! It is very interesting how, many times, when we hear something that destroys a sacred cow, at first it oft times comes to our ears as a sacrilegious, heretical or even a blatant lie. This is why we remain teachable or we miss many wonderful truths.
4 reasons why we cannot use the word plan when it comes to God
1. Because God is far more spontaneously creative than He is systemic. In fact, I have discovered that He is so much more spontaneously creative than what we give Him credit for.
2. Our God is a God of relationship. People ask me if I had but one word to describe the Bible, what would that word be and I tell them that I would use the word “RELATIONSHIP”. Plan is not a word that denotes relationship. It denotes FORMULA.
3. Let’s suppose you plan a trip and your plan includes being in Chicago in 3 days. Half way to Chicago your car breaks down and you have to spend 2 days getting it fixed. You now have to change your plan. Many believe God planned for Adam to sin because they cannot reconcile that if He didn’t, then Adam fouled God’s plan up and He had to go to plan B. There was no need for God to go to plan B because there was no plan A. This misinterpretation has so colored God’s nature that it is a shame.
4. The scriptures never use the word plan. I bet only 1 in a million people know this. Check it out in Strong’s!
Now, concerning the word PURPOSE: Purpose is used 36 times in the Bible. Purposed is used 19 times. Purposes is used 5 times and purposeth is used once. 61 times altogether, the various forms of the word purpose is used.
Purpose denotes relationship. It speaks of flexibility, temperance, hope, forgiveness, do over’s, encouragement, love and all other attributes of God’s nature in His relationship with us.
So, in the beginning God purposed!
What was God’s purpose? We all know! He PURPOSED to make man in His image! Not “A” man in His image, but man in His image! I have come to know this about our God. When He purposed to make man in His image, He knew He was capable of accomplishing that purpose, regardless of what man did. Our Almighty, all Powerful, all Knowing God believed in His own ability. He understood something that I have fully come to appreciate about Him; He knows that no matter what decisions man makes, He is capable of working those decisions after the counsel of His own will. AND… His will was to make man in His image.
This point is well brought out in the book called “The Shack”. In the chapter titled “A Meeting of Hearts” on page 189, Mac is having a discussion with God. . Basically Mac has just asked God why He doesn’t get upset with people when they don’t get it right. God states His answer this way: “Let’s say that I (GOD) know it will take you (MAC) 47 situations and events before you will actually hear Me. That is, before you will hear clearly enough, and change. So when you don’t hear me the first time I’m not frustrated, I’m thrilled - only 46 more times to go and that first time, will be the building block to construct a bridge of healing that one day you will walk across.”
Now if God PLANNED to make a man in His image, we have a problem. In these days God is speaking to us by His son Jesus. Jesus was the first one to become perfect or (to be made in the image of God). Made is an interesting word as it speaks of completion. It is very different in it’s concept from the word create. What was it about Jesus becoming the image of God? Well, Jesus always obeyed God. He loved the law. He did always what He saw the Father do. He grew in wisdom and stature. He laid down the last vestige of His own will at Gethsemane and did the Father’s will. Remember Jesus said “nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt”. (which proves to us that man has his own will to deal with). Although Jesus suffered a great contradiction of sinners and He suffered being tempted, He became perfect. AND…. because He did, there will be many other brethren to follow as a direct result of the obedience of one.
But nonetheless, IF God planned to make man in His image: we have a problem, because just like planning a trip to Chicago, there are several steps you make in getting there. You can’t miss a step without changing your plan. So, God created Adam with a purpose in mind, not a plan. Whoops! Adam disobeyed God!!!. Did God have to change His plan? No! People say that God planned for Adam to fall and that proves He didn’t have to go to plan B. No, God didn’t plan for Adam to fall, and no, He didn’t have to go to plan B because there was no plan A. How ridiculous would it be for a God who has told us that death is an enemy but plan for Adam to fall, knowing the result of falling would be death. Is God therefore our enemy? See the problem with that!!! It is schizophrenic thinking, and a double minded man you do not want to be.
But, seeing clearly, we know that when Adam fell, it did not change the purpose of God. No matter what choice Adam made, God was more than capable of working it after the counsel of His own will and not lose His own integrity in the situation. He is beautiful for situations. Remember “The Shack”!!!
So, did it matter what Adam decided. NO! Not to God! He remained in control. When Adam made the wrong choice, God never lost control; He simply worked Adam’s choice and resulting action after the counsel of His own will. You can choose, but God controls you on the basis of your choice. YES, He gave you a choice!!! Some believers argue that you do not have a choice. HOW SILLY! Now, there is no choice that is made without influence, as that would be impossible and still live in an environment. But two people can be in the exact same environment and make different choices. Choices are based on what is in the heart. Does God want you to commit adultery? No, so we can also safely say that God’s will is not always done in the earth AND YET… God remains in control no matter what choice you make. He said, “I lay before you life and death, choose life”. It is ridiculous to think you have no choice. When you choose life, God responds one way and He responds quite another way if you choose death. He is so spontaneously creative. This is balance folks.
So, did God need sin to make man in His image? Jesus is the example. No, God did not need sin to make man in His image. God only needed the law. The law is the knowledge of good and evil.
How do I know that God did not need sin to fulfill His purpose? Because Jesus never sinned. However, the law was present to obey and in Christ’s obedience He became perfect. Would God give us a law that could not be kept? NO! Jesus proved that. Remember, he was fully man. The law was never kept by another because no one else wanted to keep it. It wasn’t that man Couldn’t, it was that he Wouldn’t!!! The law never made anyone sin; it merely EXPOSED sin that was already there. The law was made to be kept. We have heard the old saying that rules were made to be broken. NO, a 1000 times NO! Rules are made to be kept. May I suggest you obey the speed limit. This law was made to be kept! But, to the point: What kind of Father would tell his child to do something that he KNEW he Couldn’t do? Sadistic! God has gotten so much blame for things He was not responsible for. This reminds me of another situation that came up in “The Shack”. Mac is talking to God and it wasn’t long before it was pointed out that Mac liked Jesus more than God. Mac went to Jesus for forgiveness because he saw Jesus as gracious and when he didn’t want to tell God why he couldn‘t go to Him for forgiveness, he stammered…. so God said what was in his heart:…… “because I’m mean“? The story continues by God pointing out how strange this is because Jesus came to show people who HE (God) is. God says: “They are still playing us as good cop - bad cop.
This is so the truth! When man wants to control someone, He points to God as stern but when man needs forgiveness he goes to Jesus. How sick is that? So many things have been said about God, that if these same things were said of a natural man, that man would be put in jail. I, for one, have set my heart to reveal the true and living God in whom there is no variableness nor shadow of turning. God is love!
When you understand the difference in the meanings of the words plan and purpose, predestination is no longer a debatable issue either.. Of course God predestinated us. When you consider God KNEW He was powerful enough to bring about His purpose, predestination makes sense. God believed in Himself so He knew His purpose would come to pass! … AND… He didn’t need a formula to make it happen. He only needed Himself. But how beautiful to serve a God who is big enough to allow us our choice and work with us to become that which He purposed. My husband always says it takes a bigger man to give you a choice than it does to simply control your every move. God is big, but more than that, He is so beautiful; how marvelous are His works.
What does all this mean?
1. It means you are not a robot.
2. It means you have a choice.
3. It means God never loses the control of man or the earth.
4. It means we’re in a working relationship with a God who loves us
5. It means man is responsible for his own actions. You can make
it hard on yourself, or easy on yourself, but you WILL be
conformed to the image of God. Remember, He is making MAN
in His image…not “A” man. His purpose will be done. SELAH!
6. It means God took the responsibility to get us out of the jam we
put ourselves in.
7. It means that God’s will is not always done.
8. It means that man has a will of his own.
9. It means God never planned for us to yield to evil.
10. It means God is spontaneously creative and purpose driven.
11. It means that the law does not cause you to sin but merely
exposes sin that already exists.
12. It means that God works all things after the counsel of His own
will while still allowing man the freedom of relating to and
influencing Him.
13.. It means predestination is simple to understand.
14. It means CHOICES are VERY important.

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While it means other things, this is a beginning of a beautiful understanding on simple things that man’s complex mind has spun for far too long. We see that the simpler you get, the closer you are to understanding God.
I am so surprised at how many believers I have heard say that God is in control and so He’s responsible for man’s actions. This indicates to me that there are people who do not want to accept responsibility for their choices. They want to blame someone else. Doesn’t that remind you of ADAM?!!!
However, we are so blessed because God took the responsibility to get us out of the ultimate consequences of our choices: ie: DEATH!!!
God said: Because YOU have done this… He did not say: because I made you do this.
My purpose in the rest of this article is to share something that has caused many to misinterpret experiences.
First, we understand that experiences should never be used to establish doctrine or, heaven forbid, His nature. How many times have we heard someone share an experience they had with God and then turn around and think that everyone else has to do what they did to find the freedom they found in any given area of their life? Or my favorite example of making doctrines out of things, is all the “HOW TO BOOKS”. on spiritual matters. Specifically, I would mention the book “7 Steps to Receive the Holy Spirit”. Thank God I had already received Him when I happened across this book because I might have fallen into the trap of following the proper steps as I now know others have. Then some wind up not receiving what they think they are believing God for; they blame themselves and think they are not good enough for Him. We have all thought some of these same kind of crazy things. After reading “7 Steps to Receive the Holy Spirit, I realized I had missed every single step. How ridiculous are these “HAVE TO“ steps!!! Again, it’s just another plan of man and his own idea of God.
Experiences that are misinterpreted bring us lots of comfort words. Words that comfort from misinterpretations are lies. These lies have established far too many false ideas of God. Permit me to give you an example of something that happened in my life, in the past 18 months, that so drove this home to me that I can see this very plainly now.
God wanted me to help 2 different people. I started to help one of them but my heart was following after the other. I passed that off with my own reasoning, thinking… “well, I can help her next year,” as helping each one required a goodly sum of money so I couldn‘t help them both at once. I now know the tugging in my heart was God, and I missed it. Now this caused me 18 months of frustration. Ultimately God had his way, but it caused a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering for me, as well as others.

After this whole experience was over, three times my husband said: “Oh well Bon, it was just God’s timing”… The 3rd time he said that, I heard the Holy Spirit say (very firmly), “NO MAN KNOWS THE TIMING”.

Now, I normally would have comforted myself with the words it was just God’s timing. I’m sure I’ve done that in the past. AND… when I did, I learned nothing. I falsely comforted myself and left a trail of hurts behind. Here was the lesson: DON’T BLAME GOD,… TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS,… JUST PLAIN FORGET THE WORDS: GOD’S TIMING (THEY DO NOTHING BUT DECEIVE US)… and FINALLY,… HEAR AND OBEY.
So now, even though I understand today, that God in His patience, let’s us go even 47 times to get it right… there is something to be said for growing to the place where we hear and obey the first time. Life would be so much simpler. It is where we want to be and I am assured because of His wondrous grace, one day we will walk there. It is how Jesus walked and one day we will see Him face to face for we shall be like Him. This would mean we have learned to hear the first time He speaks, and then obey. Obviously, He is not condemning us when we don’t, but I hear Him saying “Come up hither”.
There are so many more examples I could give you of comfort words, but I just hope this one little example is enough to get you to examine your experiences a little more closely and make sure you are not falsely comforting yourself. I can say this: when I had the truth on this one little experience, it made me feel so much better to repent than to remain in a state of self-justification. It made Him big and caused me to see His love shine forth. It caused me to grow by leaps and bounds in the past few months. I am blessed!
After the understanding of plan and purpose came to me, I spent months challenging myself every time I said plan, to change it to purpose. Every time I heard the word plan, I would make the comparison of the 2 words. It was an exciting trip. It strengthened my relationship with God. Let me suggest politely, that you try the same thing. What do you have to lose?
Blessings be upon you. Experience the peace and rest that the knowledge of God brings. Believe in God the way He believes in Himself, for you ARE His purpose.
The Shack can be purchased at Amazon.com and most book stores.
I also want to thank Carol Holstrom for the research she did on this article.
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Tuesday, 8 February 2011

Keeping it Real ! How we lost spontaneity and how God has restored it

how spontaneity and suffering go together
Posted on February 4, 2011 by Brian Leslie Coatney
These 5 posts of Brian's on the subject of the spontaneous life are posted together here.

Look at the Garden of Eden, where Adam and Eve lived covered with glory day after day. God would walk in the garden in the cool of the day. There we find Adam, there we find Eve, and there we find the Lord. His clay pots are covered with the glory of the Lord, in Paradise, naming things, deciding things. Adam might get up in the morning and say, “What do we want to do today, Eve?” She says, “Let’s squeeze some fruits, make some nectar, and then name some more animals today. Let’s check on those flowers. Hey, I’ll race you!” “Yeah, whatever” he says.
They knew the presence of the Lord with them continually. Think of what it’s like when you get a moment or an hour or a day or a week of anointing—total ecstasy—and think what it would be like to never know anything else. Adam and Eve had never known anything but ecstasy. Imagine someone going to them in a time machine from the future, saying, “You don’t know the hell people are going to go through because of your choice (but it was our choice too Paul tells us in Romans 5).
You don’t know the ecstasy you live in.” They’d say, “Ecstasy? What ecstasy?” They didn’t know. Total anointing and covering and glory all the time were all they knew. What would we do to have that on an experiential level? We do have it, but with suffering too, for now.

Yes, even with suffering, now that the lie has been exposed and the Cross given to expunge it, it’s fun to know that I can drive on the spiritual Autobahn of life knowing His keeping. If He wants me to slow down, He’ll slow me down. If He wants me to go right, He will lead right. He keeps me from going into a ditch. I am a sheep, you know, and sheep aren’t smart. I don’t claim to be smart. I taught special education for a year on an emergency certificate. It’s not really my field, but I’m glad I did it, and I love the kids; but you know, we’re all special ed. to God. Even Einstein is special ed. to God. God could say to Albert, “Albert, you know a lot, but do you know what I know? I can name all the stars; can you?”

Back to suffering though, the devil hates our freedom and seeks to entice us to discontent like he did with Job. Job didn’t have a Romans 8 to interpret life by when the devil covertly introduced thoughts like this: “Do you really think that God has your best interests at heart? There’s something you don’t know about the Lord. He holds out on you. He builds you up (as the song goes) just to let you down.”

The enemy always thinks one way. Job almost fell
for it when he started to think, “Ah, I see, milk and honey and friendship with You, God, when all along You knew You were going to pull everything out from under me and shoot Your poison arrows into me, “You watcher of men” (7:20). You’re just watching for the right moment.” That’s what Job thought: “You’re just setting me up.”

Before I saw this ploy, I lived depressed and angry. Suffering defeated me. When I saw the goodness of God, even in suffering, I sprang to resurrection life. Problems do not go away, but faith leads us to see through them to know that God is meaning them for good, for us, and for others. We stop murmuring “Why me?” and get on with excitement about how God is using suffering to bring fruit.


I tell this to Bible studies, especially at the jail—well, not especially at the jail, for people there are no different than they are any place else, but their problems more obviously expose them. One inmate saw Mimi and me and said, “Are you doing church tonight?” I answered, “No, it’s not our night.” He replied, “We like it when y’all come.”

This reminded me of a story I heard thirty years ago in the Navy in a training curriculum about listening skills. A group of patients once told their psychiatrist, “Doctor we like you,” to which the doctor asked, “Why?” The patients said, “Because you’re just like us.” That explains why the people in the jail like me really; they realize I could wear orange. I did get arrested one time.

When people see glory in an ordinary person who has suffered like they have, they receive hope. The world isn’t made up of regular people and a few spiritual giants who have an innate edge over others in coping with life. As Mimi has said countless times, “Were all in the same boat.”

To see that is to arrive home.

how our first parents lost our spontaneity
Posted on February 5, 2011 by Brian Leslie Coatney
What a great party in Eden. Every party has its danger from a spoiler, and this one did too. In comes the serpent. The devil never really changes, does he? He’s going to convince Adam and Eve that they don’t really have things so good. He’s going to convince them that they don’t have the total truth. “You’re not knowers,” he will say. “Knowers? What’s a knower? Opposites? What are those? Well, there is something we can’t do, and we’ve wondered about that.”

“Oh, what might that be?”

“Well, who are you anyway?”

“I’m just a serpent—just one of the creatures here. Command me as you will; I’m just here to serve.”

“OK, we have wondered why there’s this tree we’re not supposed to eat of.”

“Well, you don’t know? You don’t know?”

“No, frankly we don’t.”

At this point, the devil doesn’t say, “You need to go back and ask.” The devil doesn’t want you to ask. He operates from, “Let me tell you,” stirring up a little discontent.

“Well you see, the Lord knows. You think He’s really got your best interests at heart; you think things are pretty good. But there’s something you don’t know about the Lord. He holds out on you.” The enemy always thinks one way.

So Adam and Eve think, ”Gee, it would be great to be like God. Wow, what’s all this about being a pot and He being we and everything expressing God: We wonder what it would be like to just be ourselves?”

Well, the devil liked that: “Yeah, that’s it; just be yourselves. Take control; be all you can be (in the worst sense).”

They went for it; we know the story. Some things, however, cannot change: a pot is always a pot—it’s made for one thing, to contain, and God made them to contain Him. Scientists say that nature abhors a vacuum. Therefore, once they turned away from the Lord as their glory, their covering, and their indweller, well, who was going to come into the pot? That pot could not sit empty could it? God did not make it to sit empty, and, therefore, it possesses no power to live in a self-operating or self-sustaining way.

So two things happen: Satan comes in to the pot, and then Satan hides the fact that he came into the pot. The devil fuels only one way of thinking: “You can do what you want to do. You are you, and you are you only. You must get your way regardless of whomever you have run over or barge through. Everything is all about you”—a total ME-consciousness!

That’s the loneliest, most anxious, fear-filled, lust-driven condition possible. After they fell, they experienced this. So what could Adam and Eve do to cover over their choice and get out of the terrible loneliness, fear, and dissatisfaction that filled them and began to drive them?

They turned to activity, meaning performance—anything that would mask or block out what now went on in their center, a terrible condition similar to what we find in the beginning of Genesis: a state without form—a void with chaos and darkness.

So what was God to do? Did He know the Fall would occur? Well of course. Had He already made a plan for when it happened? Yes, He had. Was He surprised—taken off guard? No, He wasn’t.

Did the Fall change His plan about having fun and living in pots as us? No, it didn’t. It meant, however, that the cost of bringing it about soared—through the roof—because the plan would need the Cross. But that was okay because that’s who He is anyway. He didn’t have to change and become the Cross. He already was; but He would now have to manifest the Cross in order to bring about the plan—the fun plan—for Him and for us.

A problem loomed, though, because these Satan-filled pots resisted the idea of anything being wrong with them. “Something wrong with me? No, no, it’s not me! I’m fine!” Never mind the turmoil boiling in a rage underneath such resistant protest.

How would God get across to these Satan-filled pots some inkling of their true condition? This I will examine in the next part, titled “how God restored our lost spontaneity.”

how God restored our lost spontaneity
Posted on February 6, 2011 by Brian Leslie Coatney


A problem loomed after the Fall because humans now resisted the idea of anything being wrong with them. “Something wrong with me? No, no, it’s not me! I’m fine!” How would God get across to Satan-filled pots some inkling of their true condition?

He had that planned already in a three-letter word: L-A-W. But law can never be preeminent, and so God gave the promise first, since He knew that law could never work. So before the law, He gave the promise, beginning with the promise to Adam and Eve of the messiah. He also gave promise to Abraham and the patriarchs; they knew about the promise. Because of the Fall, however, humans do not cling to God’s promises until finished with the idea of self improvement by law-keeping.

God, therefore, gives the Law. Mired up in deception at first, we think that He gives the Law so we will keep it. He gives the Law, and we think that we’ll keep all or some of it –at least enough to get a passing grade, or maybe He’ll grade on the curve. So here’s our conversation with God.

“Well, I know I didn’t get the laws all right.”

“Well, you didn’t even get 90 percent right.”

“Whuh, whuh,” we say.

“You didn’t even get 80 percent right.”

“Whuh, whuh.”

“You didn’t even get 70 percent: as a matter of fact, you didn’t even get any of it right! You just think you did!”

“Well that’s kinda harsh,” we think.

What conditions us, however, is the Law. Now, God never EVER thought we could keep that Law. He never thought we had a chance to keep that Law. He’s laughing His head off and has been continually over what non-Christians and Christians alike think about the Law.

He’s laughing, thinking, “They think they can keep it! They don’t. Pshaw. Let’s pour it on, commandment after commandment, even though they never seem to wear down. And to get them to admit that they broke it, ohmygosh, is to start a war!” But that’s really the way He went about to do it: He gave the Law.

This is how God convinces us of our need so that He can save us, so that He can have fun with the ones that believe. We battle the law, and God means us to because the law awakens us from our self-satisfied view of ourselves. Romans 5:20 shockingly says that The Law came in that the transgression might ¼ what? It came in that the transgression might increase—abound.

I say, “God will never tell you that you can keep the Law. He’ll give you the Law; He will command you to do it; but He will never tell you that you can do it.” If somebody’s telling you that you can do it, that person is deceived. Only two voices matter that speak about what we do with the law. God would never say, “You can keep it.” The devil will say, “You can.” So when Christians get on themselves or get on other people about trying to be like Christ, I’m sorry, who is it really talking?

When we can identify these speakers, we’re close. We can see why part of God’s plan, part of the fun plan, which He already knew from the beginning, included pulling sin out by the roots, and He already knew how He would get the devil out of the pot and put Himself in. So how would He do that? How would He get a pot that doesn’t sin, that will be a divine pot – that will be the second member of the Trinity in pot form?

He had to crucify the pot by making Christ become, on the Cross, the pot with the devil in it—which is you and I—Adam— the first Adam. This is why Paul says in 2 Cor. 5:21, “He made Him to be sin, who knew no sin.” He had to have a pot that would be who we were—fallen. He had to have someone who would be that pot—be the fallen pot. That’s who Christ was on the cross; He was the fallen pot: He was Adam and everyone born of Adam; that’s who He was on the Cross.

Christ poured out His precious blood for the forgiveness of sins. Crucifying the devil in the pot is what got the devil out of the pot, because God and the devil both want to live in a human body. Something fascinates any spirit about living in human flesh: God wants to do it; the devil wants to do it. Heaven wants to do it; hell wants to do it. It’s cool to be human. It’s all right! If God and the devil both want to occupy your body and live through you and be you, and yet you still know that you’re you, that speaks of an incredible plan.

It is an incredible plan. We get to be free sons again because of Christ’s total work on the Cross. Spontaneity is back in its right form. Yippee!

the theological core of our lost spontaneityPosted on February 7, 2011 by Brian Leslie Coatney


Let’s look at the past and what happened when our first parents lost our spontaneity. Romans 5:12-19 says that when Adam sinned, we sinned. The text doesn’t say that when Adam sinned we were affected by it. Rather, when Adam sinned, we sinned. How can it be that what he did, we did? That doesn’t seem fair, does it? We would like to say, “Well, he did that; I wasn’t there; I wouldn’t have done that!” Sure. But what he did, we did.


Think about this, though: the whole plan of salvation hangs on the Last Adam doing something that, when He did it, it was also we doing it: “I am crucified with Christ.” We didn’t hang on a cross 2,000 years ago, but Paul says, “I am crucified with Christ.” Therefore, when He died I did die. So what He did I did.

The reasoning in Romans 5 means that what Adam did we did—but then, much more, what Christ did we did. When Adam fell, we fell; when Christ was crucified, we were crucified. So in the Bible’s thinking, you don’t have to be born later and do a separate individual act to have done it. The person that you’re in is your utmost forefather—when he acted, you acted. And the new head of your family line—when He acted, you acted.

But we don’t know at first that the problem isn’t only sins—s-i-n-s—; the problem is also sin. In the book of Romans, Paul starts out—up to the middle of Chapter 5—dealing with sins and then turns his attention to sin, for sins are the products and sin is the producer. Both must get exposed.

Therefore, the thought behind Romans 5:20 is this: “In case you don’t know, in case you haven’t grasped God’s plan, He means—He means—for sin to abound.” Does He like sin? No. But He’s for sinning in this sense:”I am for people to sin as much as it takes to expose it: grasshoppers, rabbits, mountains of it, continents of it, oceans. Let there be sin and more sin.”

We can’t imagine God saying that. But if by no other means will we see the problem, then let the sin begin! Let it flood, because it’s already there anyway. Yes, it’s already there. What happens is that the ugly, humiliating exposure of sin starts to occur, but let it abound. God’s thought is, “Let them try. Let them try more. Let them try more.”


Thankfully, in case you’re hitting the panic button, where sin abounded, grace abounded all the more. Now, some would think—“ALL RIGHT! Yeah, sin! I kinda still like that sin. It’s still fun! All right! I’ve got a fresh gust in my sail for the sin-livin’ because of the grace aboundin’ in the sin-livin’! So get with the sin.”

The Lord hears this mentality and thinks, “You don’t really hate it yet. You don’t really hate it yet—more law,” like a doctor writes a prescription: “Hmmm, still loves sin? More law. More law. We’ll see who’s standing at the end. We’ll see who holds out the longest. You love sin? More law. More law. Where’s that prescription pad? More sheets. More sheets!”

Finally, after so much sinning, some say, “I’m weary of this, bone tired; who will deliver me?” At this point, the focus turns to the producer, for if I can’t stop producing sins, maybe there’s a producer behind them that needs shutting down. Indeed. And once we get to the producer level, the solution is easy.


The new birth is far more than accepting the forgiveness of sins, divine as that is: the new birth means that I accepted God’s gift of His freedom so that I could make a new and informed choice to be of the Last Adam instead of the first Adam.

Now I can see how it is that I am crucified with Christ and I no longer live.

the theological core of restored spontaneity
Posted on February 8, 2011 by Brian Leslie Coatney

I believed John 3:16 as a boy, and I knew about sins a little bit—s-i-n-s—plural—a little bit, but really not very much. I didn’t really worry about whether I sinned or not because, “I’ve got a Savior—so what if I do sin?” But as time goes by, this cavalier attitude about sin starts to weigh one down because sin gets pretty depressing. Self-for-self living is hell. Being angry and taking things out on other people, or abusing people and substances, or always being upset and in turmoil, or trying to get your way—even trying to get your Bible-way—is hell. It just frankly is depressing.

Depression has its good aspects. God uses it. A depressed person might find an invitation from the Holy Spirit attractive and consider deeper solutions offered in the scriptures. One might even say, “Yes, I need to think about this sin thing. I want more than a Savior to forgive my sins; I need deliverance from the inner toll of continuing in sins—the depression and deep frustration.”

But the problem mounts in typical fashion when the more one pursues this, the worse the self appears. One might even think, “I’m not anything like what this book says.” We didn’t know at first that the problem isn’t only sins—s-i-n-s—; the problem is also sin. In the book of Romans, Paul starts out—up to the middle of Chapter 5—dealing with sins and then turns his attention to sin, for sins are the products and sin is the producer. And wonderful as grace and forgiveness are, who wants to keep living a defeated life?





But listen to Paul: “Do you not know that you are dead to sin?” What? What? I remember reading Romans 6 when I was at the University of North Carolina—a pretty good school. I learned my calculus and my Shakespeare and my history and my Pericles. One day I read Romans 6 about being dead to sin, and I thought, “That can’t be right. That’s not right, because I can still sin; and if I can still sin, I’m not dead to sin.” I closed the book. Like I said, I was about twenty-two before life really got desperate for me.

What does Paul mean, “dead to sin?” We need to know what that means. He says, “Or do you not know?” Think back; if the problem originated with the devil getting into the pot, then the solution includes getting the devil out of the pot, right? Devil in—devil out. If he’s in there, God must get him out. Now we didn’t know that. We thought about law, commandments, particular sins—acts, deeds—all well and good. But as you know, when you cut down a plant, until you get the whole thing out, including the roots, everything grows back.

Therefore, to recapture the human body and us as persons, Christ, apart from doing any sin, becomes sin. Romans 6 tells this story. We won’t go verse by verse. Sylvia Pearce nicknamed this point “the body death of Christ.” So I call it “the body death of Christ.” It sounds good to me. But when she first started talking about “the body death of Christ,” I thought, “What is this ‘body death of Christ?’

What is the significance of the body? Body? What about the body?” Then I saw that this is what the Bible says, what Norman says, and what Sylvia’s teaching emphasizes—”the body death of Christ.” Dan Stone used to say that the wine in the communion is for our sins, but people don’t know what the bread is for. Here’s the answer!

The mystery behind the bread starts with the devil in the pot on the cross and ends with Christ in us. But if you go up to somebody in your church and say, “We just had communion today; you just had the bread: do you know that was the devil in the pot on the cross? —2 Cor. 5:21—’He was made to be sin,’” the listener might freak out. Talking about things like that can cause some horrified looks in your direction.

Frankly, I feel depressed sometimes around other Christians, but I once lived the same way they do—trying. But once you get out of that, you want to say, “Brother, brother, let me tell you that life doesn’t have to be that hard.” God’s plan is really pretty simple. Self-improvement is the big lie. The self doesn’t need to improve; it needs to die and get resurrected as a new creature in which Christ Himself does the living as us.

So when the body of Christ died, the devil lost a body to live in. Christ’s body went into the ground. Now we’re dead to sin,




but what else are we dead to if the body stays in the ground? We’re dead to everything: a dead body won’t sin, but a dead body doesn’t live either.

Death cuts us off from the sin spirit alright, but for us to live as Christ’s body in His resurrection, we must know that we rose with Him in His resurrection. Forty days later came the ascension. I’m secretly taking flying lessons myself. If that power can raise me from the grave, that power can teach me to fly too. And we’re already seated in the heavenlies, we learn in Ephesians 1. So if we’re up that high, life on earth is plenty of suffering, with its mortality; but more than that, life is spontaneous praise at how God keeps us from sin and manifests His heavenly life in our mortal bodies.