Books that Reveal how the World System operates

In the 1500s -1700s God's Word was re establishing the only Divine means by which we come into relationship with God....that definitely NOT BEING our own works, but faith in the completed work of Christ on the Cross and His resurrection. The seed of religion intermingled with the free gospel that had snuck in from Judaism and crystallised in Catholicism was allowed to fall into the earth and die. All new moves from hereon in were by direct revelation and experience of the heavenlies, and the heavenly Tabernacle.
The baptism of the Spirit and the work of the Spirit came in waves from the Lollards who spoke in other tongues, through Quakers/Shakers then it became a corporate wave in Pentecostalism. But stronger still, the charismatic wave contained a whole strong vision of the Body of Christ, although to this day it is amazing how mancentered meetings remain.
Any Spirit analysis of subjects covered by the Spirit will map out pretty much the content of the Church Letter Preeminent....Ephesians.
And Rees Howells Intercessor maps out for us the kind of training that takes us into the realm of Ephesians 6, and full on warfare.
IN a prototype form God used him over nations to paralyse the three dictator's activities and keep the nations open for the biggest expansion of the Spirit into the earth ever in the history of the world.
But we notice so clearly, that Rees only moved at one level, and the very instigators of the wars behind the scenes were left untouched. Immediately they carried on regardless....creating the Cold War, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, Cambodia, wars in Africa and South America.
In these last years through the Body voices of Grant Jeffrey, Barry Smith, Chuck Missler, and others, plus the more general "sons of Issachar" who may not even be born again yet....yet see so clearly how the world is manipulated.....these have all combined on the net and in published books to provide our best knowledge yet of how the Enemy truly is working everything as prophesied in Psalm 2.
This is why there is a buildup that is beyond evangelicalism and beyond the charismatic, to a THIRD FEAST or THIRD LEVEL of authority that is Jesus being birthed in us as us. And such a Gideon's 300 are being set the task of bringing down world rulers in the spiritual realms and behind the scenes on earth. This is truly the time of Ephesians 6 as we have never known.....not at least corporately. There have been many pioneer individuals, but this is a BODY JOB. I have prepared a list of books that help people to open their eyes.

2 Building Techniques

Corporate living as Christians or anyone for that matter(read about the New Age community at Findhorn, and see the faces of your average nuns and monks) doesn't work without Norman Grubb's message, which is Paul's message and Jesus message....but Jesus wasn't in a situation to be able to explain it best.....so He carried on lecturing through Paul.
So I always tell the Union folk there are two Biblical models and the Church....the proper one...is God's real method in Rev 12
1. Method 1....most saints so far
The Hewn out secretly in the quarry method

Then at the right time the Holy Spirit glides you together and you function seamlessly..... we saw protoypes in Fort Lauderdale bunch (to begin with).....and here in the 1970s London housechurch leaders...(to begin with). (The picture of stone slabs cut perfectly away from the Temple site then put together with no noise)
Method 2.
The Jesus and the disciples method.
The rattling of bones for 3 years
Painful....but quick
Has to be a thirdlevel church.....because first and secondlevel churches don't "get" the depth of the Romans 6 and 7 excavations
They are far too naive....like Peter's statement
I will never betray you Jesus
Jesus said you will.....and all before the cock crows....in other words....you won't even make the night out!!!!!!

John 17- the Vision of the " Church Visible"

Basilia Schlink studied psychology at a very key time in Germany's history and world history. But precisely because she was a born again Lutheran espousing all aspects of evangelicalism including sharing Jesus on the streets she was immediately perceived in Europe as something close to a Southern States Bible thumper with no brain. This is the power of assumption and the great power with which the devil mind controls every man woman and child on earth. Here's some truth. Like Bonhoeffer Nee and many other greats she was so.far into Christ's life she was way beyond anything in America. She openly taught similar to Norman Grubbs Romans 6 to 8 message in her community and created one of the first living communities to share life.together in that level of.belief. In the book Realities and my very own eyeballs you will see that they were actually materialising bits of early Romans 8 in their end of the Universe in Darmstadt. Here's a key....the Gates of Jerusalem, the book of Romans individually and the book.of Ephesians corporately are a cycle.If you conclude the cycle then you get reproduction and on a grand scale. The reason evangelists have such a hard time is two or threefold.....they only carry two-thirds of the gospel and are working with an Ishmael church that likewise never completes God's Word and is a half built Tower and thirdly hidden Masonic activity works ceaselessly to undermine everything they do and laugh mercilessly at the half built towers. If we conclude the cycle then like a lady fertilized in her ovulation cycle....pregnancy Just HAPPENS.....NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!!!

Roll on the Word and Spirit Church prophesied by Wigglesworth .....one with all Jerusalem's 12 Gates up and running.



So precisely because of her psychology studies and her advanced spiritual revelation Mother Basilea Schlink was one of the first in the evangelical world to be aware of the broad outlline of mindcontrol over nations through media and locally through focus groups and methods such as Sensitivity training and Silva mind control formation. It was very hard for us 16 yearolds to stomach in 1974 but what she had already picked up in the Spirit was the yellow brick road of the masonic plan to take over every aspect of life. She would not have known Mengele and the rest were shipped to America by James Bonds Ian Fleming....ready to continue the mind control studies there as shown in Shutter Island (Dicaprio+Kingsley). She would have known some of the Nazi psychology professors by name and studied their more openly published material. Erin Rothschild actually knew Mengele as a father figure as did many of the psychic soldiers in the Montauk project. See Miles Johnstons Youtube Bases series.

Jesus called 12 disciples. HE DIDNT DO WHAT NORMAN GRUBB DID.....which was the evangelical notion of having a seminar once a year and then trying to work it all out individually.
He called forth His Church by the Spirit, spoke Light, and waited for the nuclear fallout between the disciples, when He then spoke more Word. That's why Jesus way of doing things takes 3 years and Norman's way of doing things takes 70 and counting. The church is the Woman that gives birth to the Manchild.
Who is the church? The new Jerusalem compacted together.then scattered when her time is come.





The Union message of people who have read Norman Grubb is OK but it isn't really a Union message.....why? Until it's a full-fledged John 17 or Full Body message it's like masturbation for beginners. The Church is what God is after and the Church reproducing according to the woman and the manchild of Revelation 12 is what He shall get......manifesting now to powers and principalities the manifold (as in full spectrum....visible and offvisible) wisdom of God.



God ignores Romans and jewish Chief Priests. They were the wrapping paper.
No Jesus FIRST CHURCH was the blueprint for all time.
Daily ministry and sharing of lives for a very short period then SCATTER packed with INNER WORD. Very similar to YWAM but with the third part of the gospel of 1 John 2 in which they ignore. People now are like rape victims.
Have you ever tried talking to a rape victim about marriage?
Well people are like this whenever you talk about Church.
Church ISN'T what you have in America. That is called a circus with a ringmaster.
Church isn't what we have in England. That is called a lecture in a mortuary.
So when I use the word Church or called out gathering of the saints according to Hebrews 13.11-13 I am talking of something like YWAM except with mature ministries. People compacted together BY THE LIVING PROPHETIC WORD...."the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy"
Why? If you are all going to be related to the HEAD continually...you'd better be joined up with the Head in the Melchizedek Order to begin with.
Peter's two main Words were....I will make you a fisher of men and upon THIS ROCK (a pun on Peter and His inward seeing of God come in the flesh in Jesus).
If you don't build on the apostolic and prophetic WORD for you, you end up building the disasters called churches in the States and the UK on every street corner and totally acceptable to every freemason Lodge in the world. You can sit there for hundreds of years. You can then sell your building off as a mosque or carpet shop....but one thing you will never have achieved is Revelation 12....and the Woman gave birth to a Manchild and was chased off into the wilderness.
IF YOU ARE A CHURCH RAPE VICTIM...GET HEALED>>>THEN STUDY WHAT JESUS ACTUALLY SAYS ABOUT HIS CHURCH in a locality.

The gospel is a CHURCH WORD.
Please don't read that in your leftbrain.
Here is the leftbrain meaning of that phrase.
The word gospel is a word only used in the context of Church.
No wash your ears out and i will begin again.
The Word of Christ in the gospel is ALWAYS in RELATION to Jesus BUILDING HIS BRIDE in the EARTH.
Any idiot can get saved.
Any idiot can press through Romans in his own life to find Jesus as HIS LIFE.
NO the real CATCH 22 is that there is ONLY ONE JESUS and HE IS A FAMILY JESUS who builds local reflections of
RICH POOR
ALL NATIONALITIES
ALL CULTURAL EXPRESSIONS
ALL AGE GROUPS SIMULTANEOUSLY
THOSE CLEVER IN THEIR LEFTBRAIN BEING MADE WISE IN THE SPIRIT as WELL AS THOSE WHO ARE THICK BEING EDUCATED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A BALANCED BRAIN WAY BY THE BEST TEACHER THERE IS.
These local reflections of the TRINITY AGAPE LOVE are called churches and unlike the ISHMAELS on the present streets...they are BORNE OF GOD'S WORD and are pressing into the fulness of 1 JOHN 2....all 3 stages of Growth spiritually and in corporate form as described in Ephesians. In short like nothing we have ever seen on earth in our lifetime.

Servant......THE BLUEPRINT

What's good about a servant?
Servants Do stuff....they get stuff done
They do exactly as they are commanded Psalm 123
They don't have to know why.
They don't have to know how it fits in with anyone else or the overall plan.....that's the Master's problem.
They can be wholly concentrated on the task in hand and completing it.
The last part of the body to be born is generally the feet.....the feet walk the gospel out. "Having your feet shod with the gospel of peace."
Servants don't have to be concerned with someone else's role or task, just their own.
There's a lovely simplicity to serving....leave others to all the complications.
The Last shall be first and the first last. Servants in the world tend to be the least, but in the Kingdom they are just about TOP DOG.
Most of the Kingdom works upside down.
God came as a servant in Jesus.
He laid the pattern with 12 ordinary men.
He served them and spoke Word to them until they reached the Ephesians description....of "working properly"....then in Acts 2 they began the same system.
Ch 4" but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, 16 from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together [k]by what every joint supplies, according to the [l]proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love."
THAT WHICH EVERY JOINT SUPPLIES......
BUT ONLY WHEN WORKING PROPERLY....
Until one is properly born again then "Christed" properly.....the service we can give is restricted to the natural realm....what we can do....what we are naturally as individuals....all of which has to go into the ground and die to become this fruitful Kingdom plant that then
"SERVES ON ACID" !!!!!!
Psalm 123 describes how we wait on God for His every indication
Christ knows what He is building and what we need to do next....WE INVARIABLY DON'T.
Man builds a building that looks like scaffolding....
Jesus uses His true servants to BUILD A LIVING CHRIST who reproduces
AFTER THE GOD KIND.
You may be sent abroad.
You may be called to serve a family member and go nowhere. But locking yourself in to God's actual will is explosive....
Brother Lawrence famously learned to practice the Presence of God while purely washing up. HE SO FOUND the Presence of God Kings and Commanders CAME TO HIM for wisdom and advice.
"Grab a wiping up cloth and I'll tell you!!!!"
20 YEARS AGO leaders all over the world came up with "servant leadership"....but the "models of the churches", the "infrastructures" never really changed.
MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE ON EARTH....THE EARTH'S FUTURE DEPENDS ON CHRISTIANS LEARNING TO SERVE AS NEVER BEFORE....not just the famous loocleaning....that's a given!!!!
NO....The secret is every Body member learning supernaturally Psalm 123...what Jesus wants them to do next according to the heavenly Melchizedek Order of priesthood.
AGAINST SUCH THERE IS NO LAW.....it's way beyond any human protocol anywhere....there is no human to judge what is going on...we only see what we see in the Spirit....then look round some time later and there's a whole new KINGDOM HUB BUILT shining its Light for the world to see!!!!.
SERVING is not a small PEP TALK
SERVING is the VISION of the TRANSPLANTATION OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD !!!!

Lance Lambert and Me

How the 12 tribes work? Example: Lance Lambert and me. Lance won't remember me. I spoke with him for 2 minutes in 1978 when he spoke in Exeter. (My university friend Tim Johns was his chauffeur for a good while in Israel)Anyone who knows Lance knows that virtually his whole reference point is Israel. In the 70s, thehousechurches reference point was the vision of the Church. Lance and I had an impenetrable gulf between us. He could talk. I could talk. But it was like a goldfish in one bowl trying to talk to another in a different bowl. In the 70s much of the Body of Christ was like this. Running any sort of conference on a national or international scale must have been a nightmare. So it's not that the tribes disagreed with each other...they were so out of alignment, so on a different planet you couldn't even articulate enough to disagree!! 40 years on.... Well in the 80s I had a supernatural download on Israel. In the last 5 years i've had a more balancing revelation on Israel as she is now. Meanwhile lance has had a lot more prophetic downloads himself, and his last book is almost thirdlevel, certainly it is on the thirdlevel protaganist in the Old Testament, who is Jacob...http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jacob-Have-Loved-Lance-Lambert-ebook/dp/B004K1EXR6. So the example I am trying to give is that everything in the Kingdom comes by revelation...not by didactic reasoning. GOD HIMSELF is switching on all 12 tribes worth of information in the Body. Christ joins Himself to Christ. Gradually we will understand what each of us are on about.

Letter to a pile of Galations 2:20 stones

They aren't a church, hence the title. They are the pioneers of Galatians 2:20 believing as a little Move of God all over the world, meeting originally at events organised by Norman Grubb, then forming groups such as Union Life, Zerubbabel, christasus.org However, for some reason, they do not flow very readily with the generation behind them.

26 November 2013 at 15:29

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Folks, I pray that you would  humbly give this attention,

"God called our age group like some form of corporate Abraham to a dimension of church that was beyond Pentecostalism, that was actual meetings held where the Body could be the Body for the first time since the early days.
Everything we experienced was God switching on systems in the Spirit...but in a baby way.
Without the Nancys, the Freds the Johns the Sylvias we'd still be spiralling around in our wilderness having to practically reinvent the same wheel that Norman took 70 years to unpack. Obviously it's not reinvented, because it was always there...but it IS reinvented for our day in a way that is much much easier to get hold of, and far quicker than before."

I wrote this the other day and Nancy left our little thread.

Saints, I have to be honest. You guys have been so gobsmackingly aweinspiring , some of the awe has confused me.
I realise I have no clout amongst you, but I must put this down so you understand what is happening, or refer to it later if you are interested.

You have been used as you know to transplant the main burden of Norman's message Romans 6 to 8 to individuals or any small groups that would listen.. . In heavenly sanctuary terms your generation has introduced people to the fact that there exists a third stage of mature growth, and that one main key experience of Romans 7 failure leads to the wonderful discovery of Galatians 2:20. This is corporately a form of "the second half of the Holy Place". Or section 2 B to be crude.

Most of you have had such crushing experiences you already have put on Christ properly in a great many ways...so chunks of thirdleveldom are showing through. Rich Novek particularly likes the love atmosphere, and many have probably told you about it.

Because you will be waiting for the "But this I have against you" bit, I won't keep you in suspense. Here are some telltale foundations first.

When Jesus said unless you become as little children you cannot enter the Kingdom...that's actually what He meant.
He didn't mean....after you have entered you can put your suit tie or ballgown back on. Each new door in the Spirit we enter as children. Or we don't.

No generation to my knowledge has entered more than about two doors. Joshua and Caleb just about managed all three regions...Egypt....the wilderness....the Land. Moses didn't. The struggle in becoming a child each time is just too great. Joshua was just feeling quite cool if you remember when an angel appeared and Joshua asked if he was for them or against them? The word came back...NO. What did he mean NO, that's the wrong answer to a binary question? The angel was speaking one layer deeper down. The question came from a wrong view of who was in charge.

Psalm 45: 16 and 17 describes a new process.....and I do mean NEW...in the earth.
In place of your fathers will be your sons;
You shall make them princes in all the earth.
17 I will cause Your name to be remembered in all generations;
Therefore the peoples will give You thanks forever and ever.

The world and churches have already mimicked this with the worst of all possible options....not only are they sidelining the silverhaired wise...they certainly are giving ruling places to youngsters instead....but people who are still stuck in their own narcissism...in other words selflove fools. It would be better the old still ruled.

The vision this psalm is talking about is staggering.
It's talking about NOT SILVERHAIRED WISE PEOPLE, but a generation brought forth like Jesus....to be wise in their 30s, to be already thirdlevellers at a young age.

So how can that happen?
Three ways. And I think you know two of them.
The slow way....which doesn't really count, because it takes too many decades to produce thirdlevel young men.This is the Norman Grubb method. Virtually everyone here is far too old already for Psalm 45.

Well what about smashing up society so much that everyone is so desperate when they come into the Kingdom, like say Mary Magdalen, they move really fast? She was the first to actually listen to Jesus and be there at the resurrection tomb, remember?  or Sergei Kourdakov who blasted through at a rate of knots to be a thirdleveller by his twenties, by virtue of all the gulags he'd been in , as well as swimming the Baltic to get out of Communist Russia. "If i'm dead in a few months , he said, it will be the KGB."  He was suicided in Canada around 1972 or 1973.

Again , the Norman Grubb Light swallows up Dark method...but accelerated. So we'd better go along with the New World order then, and let them smash the fabric of society?

Luckily there is a third method. And this is new. It began again around 1950.
Jeremiah 31
22
“Set up for yourself roadmarks,
Place for yourself guideposts;
Direct your [k]mind to the highway,
The way by which you went.
Return, O virgin of Israel,
Return to these your cities.
22 “How long will you go here and there,
O faithless daughter?
For the Lord has created a new thing in the earth—
A woman will encompass a man.”

Before discussing this, I will slip in another telltale foundation.
The first was...unless you become as a little child, you cannot enter my Kingdom.

The second is "But you DID laugh." Genesis 18:15
If anybody can remember Norman...how he was...it is absurd that this man, on one level should be so important to the Kingdom last century. Outer appearances lie. How crazy that the singlemost great key to the world church should come through such an unlikely fella. He wasn't even Pentecostal and by far the biggest movers and shakers otherwise were.

Our generation get the same treatment from you lot. It is fantastically absurd that we should have anything in the Spirit to bring to you. Just the idea of it is so absurd Nancy, and in her, all of you, voted with her feet. I say all of you because dear Nancy is the only one of any of you who have had the amount of patience with our agegroup. Apart from Mikkel and Ole....but they are really Norman clones or Fred Pruitt clones...they also treat the bunch of us from the 70s with the same laughter as Sarah in Genesis 18. Were it the same laughter as Abraham in chapter 17, which is more the laugh of faith like Toronto? 

(Subsequently Fred assured me Ole was in no way a Norman or Fred clone....and Mikkel refers only to the words of faith spoken over all people everywhere ...that Christ already is THE ALL IN ALL. But as I said to Fred...if Jesus is in all of us....at some point in some way...it must be the same Jesus...and it must eventually manifest. There are important joining pieces which God REVEALS He has already provided!!! This by the way is the BODY switching on its own systems...joined by that which every joint , when working properly....supplies. According to Mikkel and Fred I am not working properly yet and still have to see stuff. I like Rich Novek's Philippians verse...so let us live up to what we have already attained....why? Because we can be confident that the Holy Spirit is building and will build the rest. The land of appearances may be a LIAR of the first order....but even now we have two things going for us....

But now we do not yet see all things subjected to him.

9 But we do see Him who was made [j]for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus,because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor,....

so the first is the inner seeing of Jesus, the second is when two or three  gather in My Name, there am I in your midst. 

Both of these are realities NOW!

You see God IS DOING SOMETHING NEW IN THE EARTH which because of people like Ole he wrote down thousands of years ahead of time so that you'd get it....and perhaps after awhile your scorn will die down.

Ole's phrase for it, ( and I guess he got this from Fred) is speculative.

This is like the Word of the Lord to Mary " You shall bear a son," "But I haven't known a man." Well now try and imagine a Norwegian Mary who has just changed sex to female, and has a camera strapped to his front to capture the Angel as He talks. And this Ole Mary, says to the angel face to face...."Mere speculation."

And you have some idea of what is happening in the Spirit these very days.

See God doesn't ask Fred what he thinks about it all. He has already started rolling it out in the natural anyway, just as the same "new thing" of psalm 45:16 is also being rolled out, kind of disastrously...well there are many good elements. So now, for the first time in history we have women running huge corporations, running countries. A woman shall cover a man....encompass a man. One of the main figures at the moment has to be Sylvia(Pearce)...and she errr...last time I looked was female.

God's third method for producing princes in the earth while still young men is the CHURCH. But like not one of you know. You've had a tabernacle version. A quick whoopsie do version at your conferences. But you are not in a locality, so not one of you has experienced a local church founded and raised in Galations 2:20. Norman almost preached it as an impossibility. And Mikkel, and Nancy and I suppose all of you think the same.

But you are forgetting the laughter of God.
Nothing is impossible for God.

Once, during Martin Luther's time, it would seem incredible to believe that you'd get as many as two people ever born again in one city.
But God has faithfully been doing two things ever since....both things represented by the rolling out of the Living Waters from underneath the throne. The characteristic of the River is strange...because the FURTHER it goes from the SOURCE the deeper it gets,,,which is physically impossible!!!!
Errrr exactly!

The two things ofcourse are that each revival has penetrated deeper into the heavenly tabernacle...the outer courts, the inner courts...and soon to be the Holy of Holies....but also rolling out the Word in greater and greater numbers. It's not uncommon for thousands upon thousands to be born again and baptised in the Spirit on one day in Africa with Rheinhard Bonnke.

I want to now connect 40 years ago with today. This very week.You. And us. Because we are different.

Another telltale foundation.
You would have thought that when us bunch of denominational people got baptised in the Spirit we'd flow quite naturally in with the pentecostal move. Why not? We're all baptised in the Spirit now....we all believe the same , right?  Except the Jesus Move was 60 -70 years after the Pentecostal Move. God's Cloud had moved. We didn't blend in at all. In fact for a long while Pentecostals kept themselves to themselves. Do you know in the UK, the Baptists actually accepted the charismatic move more than the Pentecostals?

Why?

Because the 70s Move started to transmit the "NEW thing" from the 1950s manifest Sons movement. People began sharing the vision of the Church.
 This is a vision of Church which comes down from above. It is run from above. Your whole understanding has to come by revelation or else you end up like Nancy who always refers to "church" as a carnal entity inherited downstream, uninterrupted out of Catholicism. And that is how you all talk about it. But anyone in the 70s Move does not talk in those terms, but in warm , born again, come out of heaven terms.  Pentecostal churches were meetings you went into, like most of American churches today, and if you put Holy Ghost glasses on, all you see are piles of stones in a room. All relating to God vertically and walking in and out vertically, praying vertically,in power ministries vertically...etc etc

God began breaking that with YWAM. With the Fisherfolk and Graham Pulkingham. With John Wimber in the 80s.
But nobody had a Galatians 2:20 consciousness, so it just went as far as it could go. Kind of like IHOP Kansas today. Or Bill Johnson's place Bethel , Redding.

However...THOSE ARE REAL SPIRIT PLACES....but they may or not be quite ready for sharing Total Truth in. However most of the nascent Spirit procedures of a true third level church gathered in a locality have already started unwrapping. There are things we will be able to do as third level churches which will simply blow our minds. And that is one of the big things so evident on facebook, even with a daily consciousness of Christ in our every day. All of us were brought up in the Western world simply locked up in our leftbrains. You can't do much Christ stuff locked in your leftbrain. Power doesn't reside in our conscious thought. Goodness knows where it does reside. All i know is the Holy Spirit unlocks parts of our beings we didn't know were there. Raised by physics teachers I had no idea I was a musician type until Spirit baptised.

Church,  the Bride,Coming out of heaven,a Temple not made with hands.....

The CHURCH is the WOMAN that encompasses the MANCHILD....the MATURE MAN.
The vison of the Church is a double Vision. It's a double procedure. It is both the WOMAN but a woman giving birth to a new corporate Christ.
 It's a mystery. But it's true. Through history it has been true.
If you only know preaching.
If you only know singing together for a few minutes...
you have no clue as to what a true church is or does.
A true church takes you as deep into the places of God as you can fear to go. Sometimes you will be minutes or hours doing nothing...just on your face.
Everything that is true of us as individuals is true as Church...but maxed OUT!!!
It is the ladder upon which angels ascend and descend...when you only thought it was a stone pillow.
It is the portal through which you go into Eternity...whenever you meet
It is the PLACE of the NOW GOD.....and expectancy
(It's like the cupboard into Narnia)
It's the INCARNATION of a FELLOWSHIPPING GOD, something an individual can never be.
It IS the joy of the whole earth...it's just that hardly any Christians know that, and an Illuminati indoctrinated world definitely don't know that.
It's the PLACE Christ as ME becomes CHRIST AS WE IN OUR FORM
It has many pastors in the one location. It has many ministers. Everyone is a minister.
It's where the New Covenant Priesthood is VISIBLE
It is said of the CHURCH....Look how they love one another.

Christ as me in my daily life (or a bunch of people believing such per se)doesn't know anything about that, and certainly not surrounded by tens, hundreds, thousands doing the same...and yet....and yet....it's still a personal experience. Jesus made personal. He doesn't have a problem relating simultaneously personally with thousands....He's errrr...clever like that!.

Norman Grubb was right and wrong about apostles.
Nearly none of the current apostles in the world ARE apostles at all, because they aren't laying a Galations 2:20 message. But you know what? Those that are laying that message, are not doing what apostles do. Which is lay CHURCHES in this spirit. This is the grace gift of an apostle.

St Paul said (about a corrective issue)...when you are gathered together "AND MY SPIRIT IS AMONG YOU"....

what did he mean by that?
He meant he had laid a Christ foundation so that when people gathered they all gathered at HUMAN GROUND ZERO.....their gathering was UNTO CHRIST
CHRIST PLUS NOTHING.

NOT EVEN CHRIST PLUS NORMAN. Norman would be horrified by some of what you crowd are up to.
Pretty soon if not already, you'll be the Norman denomination like Zerubbabel. The Norman Conquest.

Norman only gets you as far as Romans 6 to 8. He doesn't know what happens when local churches live out from there. His books can't tell you. His books can't tell you what it's like when churches start overthrowing the New World Order ...or setting Creation free....He died too soon. It's not his baby. It's not his pigeon. That's our generation and the generation behind us. But your generation is blocking the doorway. You are insisting on doing things the way you have always done them. You ignore God totally when He says

BEHOLD I DO A NEW THING. WILL YOU NOW PERCEIVE IT?

Amen. Glory to God.

Chris Welch
26th November 2013
Hayling Island
UK

Reply to Michael Kaminsky

Michael Kaminski (Facebook)
I have a question, more for those who have had a similar struggle as me than to those wishing to give theology....
Okay, so here's the deal:
We come up here day after day gushing about how good God is etc...
But do we REALLY believe this in 'our mess', whatever that is?
Mine is chronic pain and some daze like today (and I do mean daze) the pain is so bad, I cannot move or even cough without severe pain shooting throughout my body from my lower back (just one of my issues). I've been a believer 20 years. The pain? 24 years and counting...
We all know what scripture says: God works all things for good yada yada yada (Romans 8:28)
But, due to MY past, it's often hard in this swirling fog of pain (mentally, believe me) to see God as a loving Father.
So, is this 'God's kindness leading me to repentance'? (Romans 2:4)
BTW: the root word for 'kindness/goodness here is 'furnishing what is needed'!
I'll share my thoughts later in comments, but I'm looking for input from those who have endured a similar, lengthy struggle, not necessarily pain.. but doubting God's goodness through a lengthy delay/horrible ordeal...
And believe me, my pain is not our only one, but for whatever reason, I have had and do have total peace in those: and these are things which might've torn apart other families in and of themselves..
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Vanetta Stephens Been there. What we don't know/don't understand does hinder us. I've learned a lot of things the 'hard' way and then discovered I didn't have to. So, when the student is ready the teacher appears. As long as we try to handle things on our own, or tolerate things, we will. Once we really desire to learn something, God always will bring the Truth across our path. Pain is NOT ever from God. He took on pain so we would NOT have to live in it. There are a lot of reasons why we don't experience healing --as one example of MANY things--as He intends, but it's never
because of God. He abides by our will/our choice, and won't enforce us to experience Life His way. There is no way I can go into all the nuances in this little comment box, so I'm sharing a nugget I hope may be helpful
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Bert Cilliers I was diagnosed with a growth on the brain when i was 13 years old.Growth was putting so much pressure on the brain that i was having blackouts.One day at a friends house i had a blackout while chasing him up a set of stairs.i fell down on the back of my head creating blood on the brain.Long story short the doctors told my mom to bring me back in a month to re messure the growth with their equipment to determine the period of growing.My mom took me to a church one evening where they called out anyone that needs healing.The pastor asked me if i believe that God can heal me.I said i do sir.They laid hands on me and rebuked the enemy.a month later we went back for the tests just to hear from the doctor that there must be something wrong with his equipment cause there is no sighn of a growth.Thats the power of God i experienced at a young age of my life.
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Eric Strebeck One thing that totally turned my mind around about those situations is, realizing that God has already healed every sickness and physical problem at the cross. With me, its always been a financial issue. I realized also that all of God's provision has been released at the cross. The problem is, we have unbelief from so many different sources, it's sometimes difficult to believe God has already healed us. If we just receive it, the healing and provision will manifest in our lives.
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Eric Strebeck Andrew Wommack says it this way: It's like a radio transmission. God's transmitter is always on, but our receiver isn't tuned to the right frequency. It's never God holding back healing from you; its we that fail to receive it.
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Jenny Love Wills All i know is,i am in the same boat as you Michael..and failed to overcome it
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MikeandMimi BlissedRoss Yama tads ydada
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Joe Vasquez I don't have an answer, but I can assure you the goodness of God has been one of difficulty for me to grasp as well. Up to this point I've found that I can believe my senses and situations or the Spirit. I'm discovering that renewing the mind is of the utmost importance. Abraham;... against hope believed in hope,..he considered not his own body..., he staggered not at the promise of God...; being fully persuaded that he who promised, was also able to perform. (Romans 4:17-21)
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MikeandMimi BlissedRoss Mike. Sit back close your eyes. Imagin your walking up a hill and then it therm step and rocky. Like a clif. But u can use the rocks like steps You know when yo get to the top Jesus will be there. He said he would be and then he will talk to u face to face. So climb and clime. When you get to the top you look for Jesus. The place looks like a garden and has trees and what ever you imagin. You look for him and see him sitting on a log. So yo go over and sit close to him Now u can ask him anything you want. And he will Anvers you.
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Suzanne Young Gallagher We have to continue to stand and don't doubt! Is it always easy?? Nope! I had severe pain throughout my entire body for 3 years..I just stood and stood and believed. I would feel relief and say YAY!! THE NEXT DAY IT WOULD BE BACK!! I HAD TO THEN REGROUP AND CONTINUE TO STAND AND BELIEVE AND IGNORE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THE NATURAL SYMPTOMS. tI am 99% pain free..tinges here and there, and still standing for some other physical issues!! BELIEVING WITH YOU, BROTHER, FOR TOTAL HEALING, IN JESUS NAME
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MikeandMimi BlissedRoss You can ask anything
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Mark Anderson Yeah, God is good, but boy he can drill down into a heart where it doesn't seem like it. Love you brother. I'll ask for the Lord to give wisdom concerning your back. We are in this battle together.
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Michael Kaminski @ Eric..
Odd, but I had (I guess) big financial issues too (who wouldn't being disabled 15 years?). Yet, always had total faith in God....
God said give, Id give, knowing He'd always supply...
And, He came through, got us out of a 2nd mortgage, credit card debt, remodeled our old house.. enough for my kid's , some friend's as He leads and my own ministry I'd been promised for years... all in one instant ~ it only cost me my best friend's life.
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Kim Black Michael Kaminski, you bless me, really.
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Michael Kaminski Kim..
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Jordan Alexanderplatz Rainer Hey Michael, have you read the book,"heal them all"?
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Beloved Carol Grace Robinson Michael, I used to think mental pain was the hardest on a daily basis to deal with, but I've only had glimpses of extreme physical pain (I mean intense to point of collasping or passing out under it) but if had to endure it on a pretty constant basis, and wasn't seeing any relief.....I don't know what I'd do. I feel so strongly for you or anyone that is going through this on a regular basis. I'm surprised that you are as upbeat as you are, bless your heart.
Now do I think God is faithful, wants you to receive your complete healing?, yes sir, without a doubt I do. Like everyone has pretty much said, the kink in the hose is us, the putting up with it, not quite accepting that we are already healed, etc. Anytime we put any of the solution upon ourselves, He can't work. How to deal with that, I wish I had real answers for you, but He does.......and Sweetness you are definitely worth the healing.
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Douglas Thompson Michael, what is the source of the pain?
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Michael Kaminski OMG, Douglas!
Is it from 'the laying on of hands' for 'the faith of Job' as a baby Christian of 2 months by the 'bishop' of the 'Rock Church' (John Jimenez) and a group of his pastors? (in all fairness, he warned me before praying lol)
Seriously, that aside, I was already in pain then, but I've literally suffered from pain from the top of my head (concussion) to the bottom of my feet (numerous operations)...
The main causes: I was born with a nerve disease called CMT-1A that is a type of neuropathy. It causes the nerves to literally unravel & joints to be messed up. Backs & necks & feet & lower legs especially. Throw in about ten auto accidents & numerous freak accidents and infections & you start to get the picture...
Even moreso, my youngest daughter has it and her hip joints are virtually non-existent and she has a horrible limp.. My son, who has autism, also has it but has yet to show any effects other than the odd gait we 'Kaminski men' walk with, but neither did I until I was about his age.
Do we need a miracle?
Yes.
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Debbie Fowler Mike, did John Giminez really pray for you?? He was my pastor (along with Anne) beginning around age 15. I use to go to Rock Church in Va Beach, VA those many years ago. Did you???
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Sandra Mapson I had to post this again I thought I was logged on! Anyway, my hubby have the same experience like you have PAIN. Pain in his mid back, legs, everywhere! He have it for 10 plus years from work injuries. He have been gone to doctors and had bad experien...See More
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Jns Gourds Michael Kaminski I totally believe what the scripture says. I believe he is only good. I can't doubt him in all that he has done for me and what he does daily. I can't explain why you have had 24 years of pain, but I can't let what I can't understand o...See More
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Chris Welch
Michael....
There's Spirit systems coming online out of the heavenlies all the time.
John G Lake went through the loss of 4 close family members and ALMOST HIS WIFE TOO...with a vicar saying ...let her go John...it's God's will for your life...
That's what did it...he was so mad...it propelled him into one of the first modern healing ministries....That was a healing well....
Local to me a woman was shut down with M.E. I don't know her full story...but God opened it up as connected directly with the spirit of death. Cut a long story short...but it propelled her into ministry against 2 things...M.E. but also Freemasonry.
The Freemasonic witchcraft oaths biind whole families in loads of weird ways. Typically some grandad will renounce his freemasonry and some grandchild will instantly and in another town be healed of deafness or whatever.
Gary Whetstone was in a mental home as a teenager when God used someone to deliver him from demons....so naturally in his ministry he tended to think first and foremost along those lines.
Myself....I actually entered deep depression at 12 simply through "over achievement"....I got all A grades at school but after all that effort, didn't make a scrap of difference. I was looking for acceptance from my Dad I found out later.
I left ny methodist upbringing, considered it useless and became atheist.
When i did find the Lord...I was wanting to go deep...i was hungry...and that was the Jesus Movement in 1972. Unlike many who also were being baptised in the Spirit I perceived there was a Holy of Holies realm beyond...just speaking in tongues...I guess it's what Jesus says is a place of fire.
I mention that because that is another key. The Holiest place burns a lot of stuff off you...bondages...false thinking....spirits...all kinds of history...family lines
But continuing with me...
though by the eighties I had been leading in worship for ten to 15 years and writing many songs....certain sex strongholds brought me down to the dust....because I knew my will had to change and basically i like it all too much....I needed someone to get inside my will...
then i learned the Word that set me free....God is at work in you to will and to work for His good pleasure. it had a similar effect on me to Rich Novek's Philippians verse which he shares often and i can never remember word for word.
I hope you don't mind me listing lots of real world testimonies...but it's just to show how God is bringing more of His systems online and getting them up and running in the Body.
Derek Prince went through 60 years of his ministry...much of which was quite detailed warfare against demons...but what really lifted things for him in his 80s was learning God the Father actually loved him.
In the Emsworth Bible House (community of 30) we had someone virtually paralysed and allergic to light. Totally bound. London fellowships sent her down to us. Nothing shifted. We declared words of faith. Nothing.
After a couple of years, the young lady had a revelation also that God really was her father and loved her. from that moment over several months most of her thick doctor's tome of bodily ailments just upped and left. Living pretty normally beforelong she was married in Barcelona, a sister church.
I've almost downplayed my story. From 1978 to 87 i was reduced from a selfconffident baptised in the Spirit individual to rock bottom...that's when I discovered the third level. A kind of more permanent version of being baptised in fire...since it is the inner discovery of Jesus
living my life as me according to Galations 2;20.
But there's one more system that God is reminding me to share. A lot of pentecostal people....and a lot of Norman Grubb people are "single stones"...they have no real concept of the "church that comes down out of heaven".

This is the church of the Living God that you only connect to after a long period of your innermost being crying out to be joined to the melchizedek order. it's like a Divine phone call. Similar to the Divine phone call we make in the Spirit to so with evangelism. Jesus said if you see the fields white for harvest as they are...don't rush in...pray the father that he will prepare workers and thrust them out into the harvest. It's the phone call that sets in motion the thrusting. And it's the Divine phone call that knits you to lifejoints...people you receive out of heaven.
Any idiot can look in his yellow pages and visit a church. Churches are filled with piles of stones that are unrelated and in all stages of knowing Christ. Churches are filled with spirit flash harry's who have individual ministries...which are even valid....but the true apostolic gift where  it is received supernaturally in the Spirit builds these stones into a proper Spirit building here on earth, of rightly relating people, all receiving their relationships out of heaven, and not doing the usual fleshly pyramid relating thing..."where men lord it over each other as the gentiles do".
So what I am saying is...sometimes God leaves certain conditions untouched...not for any other reason than He has a glory prepared to be brought through by a band of brethren....like the ones who were prepared to smash a hole in the religious man's roof to get their friend lowered in front of Jesus surrounded by a big crowd.
Secular people call a group of people a team. But a team, although it has some of the attributes of the full thing...it is only a bunch of people still relating to each other as "independent selves". Teams are effective...but nowhere near as effective as the Body of Christ. Because this is where a bunch of people come in the Name of Jesus. They are not short circuiting out in their independent self glorying....they really can be a crucible of great power.Iif a team is like an old-fashioned 60 Watt lightbulb...some light with a lot of heat....the true Body of Christ walking in Galatians 2:20 is like a Lasar.....concentrated light.

God Gone Viral

virus

Can I just say that a Church that builds itself up in love and Supernatural Word 
is THE FASTEST exponential Virus on earth. 

Pastor pyramids are one
 of the biggest causes of paralysis
 and one of Satan's greatest coups.

 Once people catch :
the vision 
of Christ in Us the hope of glory,

 the means, 
which is Not by Might
 nor by power
 but by my Spirit,

 and the media of the Church 
which is the wavelength 
of the Melchizedek Order
 as in Psalm 19
 ^1-2 God’s glory is on tour in the skies,
    God-craft on exhibit across the horizon.
Madame Day holds classes every morning,
    Professor Night lectures each evening.

^3-4 Their words aren’t heard,
    their voices aren’t recorded,
But their silence fills the earth:
    unspoken truth is spoken everywhere.

....the church worldwide will grow so fast it will blow everyone's mind.....
Everyone shall see the rising of the Son Of Man!!!

a word from Paul Ephesians 4 11-16

(The melchizedek Order Church):He handed out gifts of apostle, prophet, evangelist, and pastor-teacher to train Christ’s followers in skilled servant work, working within Christ’s body, the church, until we’re all moving rhythmically and easily with each other, efficient and graceful in response to God’s Son, fully mature adults, fully developed within and without, fully alive like Christ. No prolonged infancies among us, please. We’ll not tolerate babes in the woods, small children who are an easy mark for impostors. God wants us to grow up, to know the whole truth and tell it in love—like Christ in everything. We take our lead from Christ, who is the source of everything we do. He keeps us in step with each other. His very breath and blood flow through us, nourishing us so that we will grow up healthy in God, robust in love.Eph4:11-16 The Message

Tommy Hicks' Vision of the End Time Church

Tommy Hicks, an evangelist, was used by the Lord in the great Argentine Revival. God gave him vision in 1961 of the end times, a vision of the giant end-time ministry.
1.This vision began July 25th, about 2:30 in the morning, in Winnipeg, Canada.
The vision came three times, exactly in detail, the morning of July 25th, 1961. I was so stirred and so moved by the revelation that this has changed my complete outlook upon the body of Christ, and upon the end-time ministry.
The greatest thing that the church of Jesus Christ has ever been given, lies straight ahead.
It is difficult to help men and women to realize the thing that God is trying to give to His people in the end-time.
2.I do not think I fully realized nor could I understand the fullness of it until I read in the book of Joel 2:23, Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
It is not only going to rain the former and the latter rain, but He is going to give His people in these last days a double portion of the power of God.
When this vision appeared to me, I suddenly found myself at a great height. I was looking down upon the earth, when suddenly the whole world came into view – every nation, every kindred, every tongue came before my sight. From the east and the west; from the north and the south; I recognized the countries and cities that I had been in. I was almost in fear and trembling as I stood beholding the great sight before me. At that moment, when the world came into view, it began to lightning and thunder.
As the lightning flashed over the face of the earth, my eyes went downward – and I was facing the north. Suddenly I beheld what looked like a great giant. As I stared and looked at it, I was almost bewildered by the sight. The giant was gigantic. His feet seemed to reach to the north pole and his head to the south pole. His arms were stretched from sea to sea. I could not even begin to understand whether this was a mountain or whether this was a giant. As I watched, I suddenly beheld that it was a great giant. I could see he was struggling for life, to even live. His body was covered with debris from head to foot; and at times this great giant would move his body and act as though he would rise up. When he did, thousands of little creatures seemed to run away. Hideous looking creatures would run away from this giant and when he would become calm, they would come back.
All of a sudden this great giant lifted one hand toward the heavens, and then he lifted his other hand. When he did, these creatures by the thousands seemed to flee away from this giant and go out into the night.
Slowly this great giant began to rise – and as he did, his head and hands went into the clouds. As he arose to his feet he seemed to have cleansed himself from the debris and filth that was upon him, and he began to raise his hands into the heavens as though praising the Lord. As he raised his hands, they went even unto the clouds.
Suddenly, every cloud became silver; the most beautiful silver that I have ever known. As I watched the phenomenon, it was so great, I could not even begin to understand what it all meant, I was so stirred as I watched it. I cried unto the Lord and I said, “Oh, Lord, what is the meaning of this?” And it felt as if I was actually in the Spirit and I could feel the presence of the Lord, even as I was asleep.
From those clouds, suddenly there came great drops of liquid light raining down upon this mighty giant. Slowly, slowly, this giant began to melt – began to sink, as it were, into the very earth itself. As he melted, his whole form seemed to have melted upon the face of the earth. This great rain began to come down. Liquid drops of light began to flood the very earth itself.
 As I watched this giant that seemed to melt, suddenly it became millions of people over the face of the earth.

As I beheld the sight before me, people stood up all over the world. They were lifting their hands and they were praising the Lord.
At that very moment there came a great thunder that seemed to roar from the heavens. I turned my eyes toward the heavens, and suddenly I saw a figure in white, in glistening but somehow I knew that it was the Lord Jesus Christ. He stretched forth His hand. As He did, He would stretch it forth to one, and to another, and to another as He stretched forth His hand upon the peoples and the nations of the world – men and women. As He pointed toward them, this liquid light seemed to flow from His hand into this person and a mighty anointing of God came upon them. Those people began to go forth in the name of the Lord.
I do not know how long I watched it. It seemed it went into days and weeks and months. I beheld this Christ as He continued to stretch forth His hand. But there was a tragedy. There were many people, as He stretched forth His hands, that refused the anointing of God and call of God. I saw men and women that I knew, people that I felt that certainly they would receive the call of God. As He stretched forth His hand toward this one, and towards that one, they simply bowed their heads and began to back away. To each of those that seemed to bow down and back away, they seemed to go into darkness. Blackness seemed to swallow them everywhere.
I was bewildered as I watched it. These people that He had anointed covered the earth. There were hundreds of thousands of these people all over the world – in Africa, Asia, Russia, China, America – all over the world. The anointing of God was upon these people as they went forth in the name of the Lord. I saw these men and women as they went forth. They were ditch diggers, they were washer women, they were rich men, they were poor men. I saw people who were bound with paralysis and sickness, and blindness and deafness. As the Lord stretched forth His hand to give them this anointing, they became well, they became healed – and they went forth.
Suddenly there was a man in Africa, and in a moment he was transported in the Spirit of God, and perhaps he was in Russia, or China, or America, or some other place, and vice versa. All over the world these people went.
This is the miracle of it. This is the glorious miracle of it. Those people would stretch forth their hands exactly as the Lord did, and it seemed that there was this same liquid fire that seemed to be in their hands. As they stretched forth their hands, they said, “According to my word, be thou made whole.”
As these people continued in this mighty end-time ministry, I did not fully realize what it was. I looked to the Lord and said, “What is the meaning of this?” He said, “This is that, that I will do in the last day. I will restore all the cankerworm, the palmerworm, the caterpillar – I will restore all that they have destroyed. This, My people in the end-time, shall go forth and as a mighty army shall they sweep over the face of the earth.”
As I was at this great height, I could behold the whole world. I watched these people as they were going to and fro over the face of the earth. Suddenly there was a man in Africa, and in a moment he was transported in the Spirit of God, and perhaps he was in Russia, or China, or America, or some other place, and vice versa. All over the world these people went. They came through fire and through pestilence and through famine. Neither fire nor persecution – nothing seemed to stop them.
Angry mobs came to them with swords and with guns, and like Jesus, they passed through the multitude and they could not find them. But they went forth in the name of the Lord. Everywhere they stretched forth their hands, the sick were healed, the blind eyes were opened. There was not a long prayer. I never saw a church, and I never saw or heard a denomination. These people were going in the name of the Lord of Hosts.
As they marched forward as the ministry of Christ in the end-time, these people ministered to the multitudes over the face of the earth. Tens of thousands, even millions seemed to come to the Lord Jesus Christ as these people stood forth and gave the message of the kingdom – of the coming kingdom – in this last hour. It was so glorious! It seemed there were those that rebelled. They would become angry. They tried to attack those workers that were giving the message.
God is going to give to the world a demonstration in this last hour such as the world has never known. These men and women are of all walks of life. Degrees will mean nothing. I saw these workers as they were going over the face of the earth. When one would seem to stumble and fall, another would come and pick him up. There were no big “I” little “you”. Every mountain was brought low and every valley was exalted, and they seemed to have one thing in common – there was a divine love that seemed to flow forth from these people as they went together, as they worked together, as they lived together. It was the theme of their life. They continued and it seemed the days went by as I stood and beheld this sight. I could only cry – and sometimes I laughed. It was so wonderful as these people went throughout the face of the whole earth showing forth God’s power in this last end-time.
As I watched from the very heaven itself, there were times when great deluges of this liquid light seemed to fall upon great congregations. The congregations would lift their hands and seemingly praise God for hours and even days, as the Spirit of God came upon them. God said, “I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh.” That is exactly the thing that God was doing. From every man and woman that received this power and the anointing of God, the miracles of God flowed continuously.
Suddenly there was another great clap of thunder that seemed to resound around the world. Again I heard the voice saying: “Now, this is My people; this is My beloved bride.” When the voice spoke, I looked upon the earth and I could see the lakes and the mountains. The graves were opened and people from all over the world, the saints of all ages, seemed to be rising. as they rose from the graves – suddenly all these people came from every direction – from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and they seemed to be forming again this gigantic body. As the dead in Christ seemed to be rising first, I could hardly comprehend it. It was so marvelous. It was so far beyond anything I could ever dream or think of.
This huge body suddenly began to form and take shape again, and its shape was in the form of the mighty giant, but this time it was different. It was arrayed in the most beautiful, gorgeous white. Its garments were without spot or wrinkle as this body began to form, and the people of all ages seemed to be gathering into this body. Slowly, from the heavens above, the Lord Jesus came and became the head. I heard another clap of thunder that said, “This is My beloved bride for whom I have waited. She will come forth, even tried by fire. This is she that I have loved from the beginning of time.” 

It will not be doctrine. It will not be “churchianity;” but it is going to be Jesus Christ.
They will give forth the word of the Lord and are going to say – I heard it so many times in the vision – “According to my word, it shall be done.”

As I watched, my eyes turned to the far north and I saw great destruction, men and women in anguish and crying out, and buildings destroyed. Then I heard again, the fourth voice that said, “Now is My wrath being poured out upon the face of the earth.” From the ends of the whole world, it seemed that there were great vials of God’s wrath being poured out upon the face of the earth. I can remember it as I beheld the awful sight of seeing the cities, and whole nations going down into destruction. I could hear the weeping and the wailing. I could hear people crying. They seemed to cry as they went into caves, but the caves and the mountains opened up. They leaped into water, but the water would not drown them. There was nothing that seemingly could destroy them. They were wanting to take their lives but they did not succeed.
Again I turned my eyes toward the glorious sight of this body arrayed in the beautiful white shining garment. Slowly, slowly, it began to lift from the earth, and as it did, I awoke. This sight that I had beheld – I had seen the end-of-time ministry, the last hour.
Again on July 27 at 2:30 in the morning the same revelation, the same vision, came again exactly as it did before.
My life has been changed as I realize that we are living in that end time, for all over the world God is anointing men and women with this ministry. It will not be doctrine. It will not be “churchianity;” but it is going to be Jesus Christ.
They will give forth the word of the Lord and are going to say – I heard it so many times in the vision – “According to my word, it shall be done.”
Oh people, listen to me! “According to my word, it shall be done.” We are going to be clothed with power and anointing from God. We won’t have to preach sermons. We won’t have to preach sermons. We won’t have to depend on man, nor will we be denominational echoes, but we will have the power of the living God! We will fear no man, but will go in the name of the Lord of Hosts!
Tommy Hicks died in Los Angeles, California around 1973.

John MacLauchlan notes - A tale of a genuine church in Yeovil, Somerset

Introduction to the VISION of CHURCH
(The header means notes about John MacLaughlan by Chris Welch, not by John)
Over the last months I have become increasingly aware of the pains suffered and caused by the existing models of church and particularly how it has affected some of the most enlightened here on the net. Some have had to receive actual physical healing for some of the inner wounds. In the last Havant Conference during one of the sessions, Peter Stott saw some real arrows in my back, and as he pulled them out I wiped straight out onto the floor. One of the immediate effects ironically has been to speak my mind to him, and also as some have noticed,to address people on the net.
One of my Facebook friends was crushed and ousted out of his Anglican post in Oxfordshire and has been flat out in bed with a recurrence of ME for 3 years to this date.
In the eighties Graham Cooke and Peter Stott saw a lot of this going on, but felt particularly for prophetic people, and began to run encouragement weeks just for them in the UK, but also they set about making materials more readily available for pastors to help them understand the operation of the prophetic.Peter and Mariette are often used to bring clarity and greater understanding to leadership couples in one of the big Chicago churches.

In the last few days I really wanted to "hit" this area of hurt and flush it out to the surface. I wanted saints to face head on whether their love for their individualistic way of operation  was really Christ them....or just a temporary Christ "workaround" until they get some of their Ezekiel 8:10 scrawlings fixed on the inner walls of their Temple. One sister who many will recognise immediately has spent 4 decades being all but and including  being "beaten up" by the religious, by the misunderstanding saints, and neighbours in her area. She has stood for this third level message in her lentil patch all on her own, and scores of people have benefitted from the results of her intercession as she shares now on Facebook.

I began to address this whole area last week. because she will freely tell you, that she is now" at home" being beaten up and abused. She finds it utterly bizarre to be treated to too much attention. I said she knows how to be abased. She does abased with panache, but she doesn't do abounding really well. And if "as He is, so are we in this world " is true, then we will model His life. And through the course of a day, Jesus would typically abound, then other dangerous types, out to get Him, would cause Him to be abased. But abased all the time.....nope, not even Jesus was that.
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What is church and what's it for?
You know we could almost talk about marriage in the same breath, because the physical and emotional abuses that happen in marriage are practically the same excuses modern people are using for never having to make a marriage commitment. And these same inner and also physical hurts have seemed to result from church life. So, let's ditch church then.
No, let's not.

Churches in the Bible were established by broken men. They had been right through the Way,Truth,Life rigmarole. Paul had organised the murder of one of the most radiant saints Stephen. This goaded him all his life. He knew he had Stephen's blood on his hands. More than that, from Jesus first phrase...Saul Saul why do you persecute Me, he understood immediately that Christ INDWELT these Christians.
Peter and the disciples had been more direct. They had walked right out on Jesus Himself. And they knew it.And it broke them.
Churches today are not established by broken men. Or to put it another way, people call brokenness, being sorry for a supposed sinful past life. Now I'm not quibbling on the past life. I'm quibbling the fact that until you can go beyond sins to catch the sight of SIN, the principle of SIN indwelling and possessing you...and the whole truth "There is No Independent Self".....you don't really know the first thing about brokenness, so from the get go, your style of leadership will be plagued with what Charlie Peacock sang as "The BIG MAN'S HAT". Why. Because you don't walk as Christ indwelling you as you. (Here's the song again, this time a more sober rendering, the black vocalist in the first clip,Vince Ebo has committed suicide around a decade ago)
Unless the Lord Build the House Those that Labour Build it in Vain
Christ is the only one who can build His house. Christ in us as us. Having exposed that what we thought was us, was SIN in us, and that's precisely what Jesus came to deal with, finally and permanently on the Cross. And His final and permanent way of dealing with it was to include every person who ever lived or will live in that death, take our spirit centre down into death in His Body death. Then when the Spirit raised Him, we were raised with Him and in Him. At conversion the sin spirit was fully kicked out, and Jesus Himself came in permanently. This is the ONLY foundation of God's Church. This is fully demonstrated by the Two Goats picture in the Old Testament. Read it again here, it will set you free.
All the other churches teach the Blood sacrifice of Jesus, but leave your "delusional self" intact to roam free throughout the churches. So gradually you become aware in these other churches that people seem to be like half dead zombies walking around...neither alive nor dead in Christ...in some kind of dangerous twilight world where you are very likely to get hurt. And WILL DO. It will indeed be like those Zombie slasher console games.In fact maybe all Christians should be forced to play them to ready themselves for life in the Church of the UNDEAD.
What does Building the House mean?
Well I'm sorry it doesn't mean paying millions to shore up Schuller's Glass Cathedral.
There's only two types of building in the Spirit.
If the ecclesia is a short time-frame church like Acts, it means the transfer of Christ into individuals in impartation of anointed Word, encouragement, faith, that people know what the Cross did for them, and Christ Himself becomes fixed in their centre.
In a longer term ecclesia, the church will have a calling as a Body of believers. It will battle through the stages of Ephesians, which is really a church book, gaining more and more authority in the Spirit in its geographical region and beyond. This is difficult to put into words so I'll use the example of Los Rios in Quilmes Buenos Aires. I think it is fair to say that they do not understand the Third level. But remember, the Moravians probably didn't articulate it too well either even after 100 year prayer meeting. But there's theology, and there's the indefinable qualities of maturity that the Holy Spirit builds into a Body of believers over time, that even they probably cannot articulate. Los Rios was established under Jorge Pradas and Ed Miller as a church that pioneered doggedly following the Holy Spirit regardless in the way of praise, and abandonment in worship and adoration.Not many will hear them sing and not break down in tears at the sheer beauty of the Presence of the Lord. They were established during the truly awful inflation years of Peron. When you visit a Living Church of the Holy Spirit that has maintained its walk with God, you will notice this perfumed fragrance of love oozing through the church. Love born of the brokenness of time and years.Out of this maturity as a church, has come a church in every province of Argentina.They are still a pyramid operation, but as you read in my previous post about Eric Chambers, more than structure what matters is, has the leader or have the leaders got the the highway to Zion running straight through their heart? or is it a BIG MAN'S HAT?
What Can I expect in a New Church following the Spirit?
Trouble. Let's look at what little I know about John MacLaughlan Yeovil,Somerset. He was one of the group of leaders who used to lead the London housegroup meetings in the fledgling days of the Friends Meeting House, before the arrival of Ern Baxter. John was a prophet, and often wrote in a magazine called Fulness which was a very similar magazine to Restoration magazine.
A bunch surrounded him eagerly and a church formed in Yeovil.(early80s) I only know fragmentary bits from a tuning customer in Yeovil church. I get the impression that as they were following the Holy Spirit, God began His journey of breaking people down to shock them into discovering "there is no independent self". This is a harrowing journey, and really costly if several are on it together, as it was with the disciples in the 3 years with Jesus.
In the 80s everyone was so naive about the awfulness of the human condition, so as far as I can glean, two things happened. Unlike Moses in the wilderness, these guys lived and worked and fellowshipped around Yeovil. When problems happened with Moses it was much more difficult, because you couldn't easily go back to Egypt. For Yeovil people, it was easy, if things got tough, just leave and carry on living the way you always used to live in Yeovil. I think the shock of this and how difficult church life was, and really not understanding our human condition full-on, I think prophet John panicked, and became quite controlling, trying desperately to hold the Ark of the Presence which seemed about to topple off New House Church Cart(King David reference).....and I think there were many casualties.
A Better Model - BIBLE HOUSE or CASA BIBLICA
Sometimes when you want to push something the Spirit is saying through a church, you take a core group who model it, and like leaven it leavens the rest of the church.

Emsworth Harbour

The Key of David meetings(Havant Church) are Jesus only agenda meetings. They are a current example of a particular exploration that is being made into how you run meetings in the Spirit, but without it fragmenting into complete nebulousness that now seems to occur 200 years on in Quaker meetings. As people get more trained by the Holy Spirit in this, it has affected the main meetings too.
CASA BIBLICA was the model given by God for training young people and couples, again as a core group which later infiltrated the whole of the Argentinian churches.
Living in community, yet walking in the light of the Holy Spirit is the toughest of calls but the most amazing of places on earth. Unlike Yeovil,CASA BIBLICA/Bible House in Emsworth, part of my former church ,then provided a safe place to breakdown in. It is literally a house where you fall into the ground as a seed, to be remade by the Spirit.  Luckily,if there are 30 of you, as there were in Emsworth, only 5 or 6 may be going "through it" at any one time. And the best way to describe the "it" is to imagine a woman with an acute PMT day...only this is not one day...and it is men as well!
Morning and evening we would have various meetings and church members and leaders would lead Bible teaching. People would remain in the house as long as the Holy Spirit directed.  Generally the posher you were, like me, the longer it took for the facade to break. I was in Bible House 6 years.
I want to stress the importance of the meetings. Some were house meetings. Some for the whole church.The praise and worship in those days was so fabulous you could practically cut the Presence of the Lord in the room with a knife, and serve it to people the next day. Now in these meetings, you may begin in praise, but God would so direct the meeting to attend to the deep wounds and problem areas, particularly of those going through things that week. We are talking real surgery in the Spirit here. When I first arrived for example, one of the girls had been sexually abused by her Christian father, nowadays a prisonable offense. She used to cut herself and her hair, but over some months she was totally and radically repaired. Her face was radiant. Out of her victory came song after song after song that blew us all away. I'm afraid I can  bore you at book length with the" day is as a thousand years life" that was Bible House.
So this was better BUT
it was still only dealing with deep traumas, many deep sin patterns, generational patterns of sin and sickness.
It was still early days in the charismatic search after God. Still an almost total naivety about the human condition. I want to tell you something, when I arrived in Emsworth Ian McCulloch prayed this prayer over me : " Lord do a quick work in this young man."
 Well I believe this man of faith got his answer, but ofcourse it certainly didn't look it to him. I was 6 years in Bible House, but really the process had only just begun now the facade was broken. Four years after this they chucked me out anyway. But as you will have realised with this blog, God really did a quick work though it seemed He wasnt at the time. This is because He took me right down in those years to discovering things that at the time that former church knew nothing of. And this is what we preach now on day one when we speak to people. And people are coming into the Kingdom in such a battered way, with family infrastructure being so poor, people are now ready to hear there is no independent self right at the start. Your average Christian in Britain either doesnt know this, or takes 40 years as a Christian before it slightly dawns on them.

So to conclude this section. Both Daniel Yordy and I having lived in Spirit filled communities that pressed ardently into God  KNOW how the Spirit works with folk in practice. Ofcourse everyone is different. Ofcourse it's different lengths of time. Ofcourse what we were in was still too shallow in  Spirit definition. But the one thing we know that others dont seem to on here, is that the God who can teach us individually the revelation behind the third stage of growth, can certainly now operate WOMBLIKE through a church geared up for it. It isn't going to be sooooo different from what we've seen so far, just more radical. The problem with Yeovil was complete naivety leading to the breakup of what could have been a great church. The problem with Emsworth was slightly less naivety...but still too much, so actually, I think after my leaving the church, one of the leaders became so discouraged he pulled the whole plug on Argentina, and Casa Biblica, and reverted back to the safe "Bible Training " model of every seminary, where people  get wound up like clockwork , sent out on the field ready to breakdown completely there, not having a clue as to what the gospel really is, nor who they really are.
The Woman and the Man Child of Revelation 12
So this brings us to the Church as WOMB for the ManChild who is this Christ as me believer who fully understands church life...the Living Church...he has the blueprint on his insides.The Holy Ghost Growing Machine.

The Church Carrying the Presence of God
People say I am Christ as me, why do I need church?
You need church not because you need church, as 2ndlevel pastors always used to say,
you need church because it is a God designed, God patented structure for carrying the Presence of God in a way that one individual cannot.
One reason scripture says where two or three are gathered in My Name, there am I in the midst of them, is because the love relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit might be felt in your heart, but it needs more people to manifest this Triune relationship so that others can see it too. He loves turning up and transmitting this Triune relationship presence when 2,3 or a whole load more are there.
Psalm 133 says Behold how good it is when brethren dwell together in unity. The Lord COMMANDS the blessing there. (That's a post or two right there!)
Well dwell together is usually taken to mean a church meeting. Hmmm. Try thinking live together, or be always in and out of their houses. The fact is BIBLE HOUSE were much more than the sum of their worth.
People could get healed there. The group got noticed everywhere they went. They were a huge blessing to all of the rest of the church. It was a song factory. As people got touched, they sang!!!  The song How You Bless Our Lives comes from a Bible House holiday campfire in Devon. All the waves of spiritual truth people were learning filtered into the church. And ofcourse there was the obvious. Gardening power, driving power, removing power, DIY power. People learned to play instruments from each other, to cook , to make clothes , to run businesses together, to renovate buildings together, to run livestock together, to do proper barbecues the Argentine way with whole sheep and cows strung up.These side of things are well grounded territory for all previous communities : Quakers, Amish,Moravian. The huuuuge difference with the third level is now we know what the enemy is, we don't need to be nearly as stupid in closing out the world. Because ofcourse things were a lot more subtle than we thought. A similar distinction when Jesus said "It's not touching a Jimi Hendrix album before a meal that soils you, it's the stuff still rising from within you. For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks"
All the natural BODY images apply
The Body just knows where sickness is and how to bring healing
The Body works in unity and in balance, no part outweighing the other
The Body is geared to grow naturally and coordinatedly....looking at the church right now there are huge faith lumps in one corner out of all proportion to love lumps in the other corner
By supplying in the Spirit you become strong as well as the one supplied
The Body knows what it needs to eat
Spiritual Gifts Flow naturally in a living Body of Christ
 "Seeing God only", works in purely human living ways, but also with gifts.
Gifts have a lot more rounded feel with people you've laughed, cried ,exposed your lives with than in some purely "meet on Sunday or midweek approach". Based in this rounded context, when you do go out to unknown people the supernatural is sharper, but still rounded with love and caring, and not looking something like an extruded bolt on Frankenstein's neck.
Why the Body?- the unexpected
Because when we gather the totally unexpected frequently happens. Turns of events for people can change in an instant. Kairos moments happen a lot in the Body context. Things in jobs, callings,healings, families.....all these longstanding things can turn on a sixpence in the presence of God upon a gathered Body.
Never ever confuse the glory we have as believers inside and out pictured in the Holiest Place by the Mercy Seat of goldcovered acacia wood....never confuse that with the glory of God Himself which floats overhead. In this glory He communicates His Kairos actions and directions. The Now Word of God.
Why the Body- intercession

Living in the Body as it pushes people through in God gives real insight into intercession and breakthrough, and rythms and cycles, all of which become vital in the third level. living in the Body is simply the quickest course you are ever going to get on how to use your spiritual tools, the ones everyone has in Christ Jesus.
Speed
Because I have seen how fast Bible House works for people even in still quite a "young man" level of growth, I have absolutely no idea how fast a Body can grow that actually preaches the Truths of the Cross of Christ but coupled with sensitivity to the Spirit. Ephesians says the the Body is built by that which every member supplies....the supply being purely in the context of Christ as Us. As Bible House shows, the Body is geared up to bearing the Man child, this manifest grown up version of Christian, rooted and grounded in Christ. It does it naturally. We have no idea how fast Bodies all over the world can grow, but we know from Facebook how many are excited with what they are learning. One said she had learned more in 1 year on Facebook than in 20 years in a church. Facebook is terriffically well placed for teaching, sharing the Word,sharing prayer needs, but has terriffic drawbacks for all the other aspects of living together as a "city compacted together, set on a hill."
I do pray that this piece has healed your soul a bit in regard to church as originally on God's heart, compared to the vague mirage of church many have so far experienced.
To me, the very least of all ^[d]saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ, ⁹ and to ^[e]bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things; ¹⁰ so that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places.
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Dave Berrey <dberrey@live.co.uk>	9:52 AM (16 minutes ago)
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Hi Chris, been looking over older blog posts and came across your comments concerning John Mac and Yeovil. I was in that church from the beginning to the end. It wasn’t a pleasant time at the end, with many pulling out of church involvement for many years after the event.

I was quite close to John and his family, even living with them for a time. I keep in touch with his widow who lives not too far from me. The issue which really undermined the church as well as John himself, was his views concerning the prophet and their role. He held the view that as he was God’s spokesman, if anyone disagreed with him they were wrong. I understand that this was the reason he dropped his relationships with the other national leaders. In other words he was always right. This was obviously wrong and a dangerous position to take. As you say these were naive days, we had no previous experience of the gifts operating in the church. If we had taken the time we would have discovered there had been other times when God had released truth, and times when men/women had become deceived in the same way as we had. So lack of wisdom and maturity were abounding.

I can now look back, and with time now appreciate the great things that John taught us. He had a passion for the mature church to emerge, to see the 5 fold gifts described in Ephesians to be established and much more. Many things the current prophetic movement takes for granted were pioneered by John and others in that season. There was a significantly greater desire and experience of the presence of God in those times, something I notice you have also commented upon. But, God is re establishing this, certainly in this country only in a small minority. The same was true then only a handful of folk were involved before the greater release of the wider move of the Holy Spirit, which later became the Charismatic movement(not sure if that was a good thing???).

Anyway thought this might fill in a few gaps for you

Dave

PS For the record, John’s surname was MacLauchlan