Real Talk after decades as a Christian

 

Dangerous Switcheroony

 

Romans 3 to 5 is a dangerous switcherooney. What you are doing in the Spirit is closely closely related to mid life crisis of the soul...... Or M Scott Peck's Different Drum , moving out of the confines of psychological stage two :socialisation into the next platform , which is the inner quest for the true you .

What happens if you take the hands off the wheel ? There can be a few crashes but another analogy could be the new technique of flying planes by mindpower alone , the reasoning ( no pun intended ) being that we can then power craft at the speed of thought . Christ becoming our real operator , has to be so real , initially He has to be allowed the necessary freedom to BECOME OUR LIFE . The Holy Spirit has to be allowed to create the inner aversions to not doing things or doing things . Otherwise as Colossians states we are forever stuck inside elemental spirits choices of do this or don't do this .

 So yes , it's a bit dangerous , because those inner things you have well hidden have to surface and be corrected by a work of grace on our Insides learning to walk this Christ as us stuff . One phrase Christ used was " become as a little child ". The King-dom The Reign of God is dynamic not inert like the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and evil . Imagine the sterility of a mule . That is the life of works . In respect of service to God ,that really helps to define why Cain's sacrifice was rejected , whereas Abel's sacrifice was accepted .

Abel's was a way of life , being led to shepherd and care for sheep , then being led to prepare and give his best sheep for slaughter . Everything about Abel was entering into how the Father felt about giving up His Only Beloved Son . Abel never sat down and worked this out . He reflexively did the next thing and the next thing ....then out of love for the Lord felt to give of His best sheep .

We took early steps as a Jesus Move relearning 1 Corinthians 12 worship .


Thirdlevel Christianity is crazy because it's believing upon this " next thing " way of living ....believing that Christ the King , is living in you as you . We took early steps as a Jesus Move relearning 1 Corinthians 12 worship . The Holy Spirit would give a song , a reading , a prophecy . Many of the Fisherfolk's songs and Dave Bilbrough 's songs came out of these situations and then became the stuff of songbooks sung across our nation . But neither of them sat down and intended that spin off . Then in the case of the Fisherfolk they moved out of the endless charismatic hamster wheel of ministry moving out from their hub at Yeldall Manor to a Scottish Island for a brief while . Shortly after , Graham Pulkingham's wife , Betty , who I am not sure was born again when they first moved out of middle class suburbs to down town inner city Houston , she writes " Celebrate the Whole of it " beginning to describe the whole of life aspects that become our Colossians 3.3 Romans 12 1-2 Galatians 2.20 experiences .

So you are taking the faith steps learned in charismatic land , for walkies outside the meeting room door . Fourth quartiles or eagle faces or curators of the eagle flight of spirit .....typically in music or winging it in prophecy .....then learn to live all of life in a quest for truth . So quicker than is normal for the other quartiles , they are made to BEGIN THEIR WALK IN HARD LINING TRUTH . Thank goodness all four quartiles don't do this simultaneously ....we'd fall apart as communities , unless we were all led simultaneously into the wilderness or " lockdown " , with manna and quail raining down . Living in the flesh .....and thankfully all of us do some things reflexively from our inner heart or good conscience as Paul writes ....or as complete outsiders like the Good Samaritan ..... But actual mechanical living from flesh pulls of sin , or purely outer compulsions of socially driven acts ....all of this is inert .

 It doesn't GO ANYWHERE . Living by faith clicks us into the God realm . This is where SUPPLY EXISTS . The second mile is where Kingdom is . It's using the faith we had to step out and " let God " in meetings , then becomes our faith ready to flex like new muscle in the whole of life . All Kingdom or Reign of Jesus stuff is NOT LIKE THAT STERILE MULE ....It's dynamic . It goes somewhere .

..... But actual mechanical living from flesh pulls of sin , or purely outer compulsions of socially driven acts ....all of this is inert .




The diligent shall rule . All Word leads to City on a Hill . To taking our Sovereignty where we plant the soles of our feet in Book of Joshua . It leads as Paul writes to becoming a local kingly authority as an ekklesia .

Corinthians was still a young church making the switcheroony when Paul wrote " Would that you were kings , then we ( apostles ) would reign with you ". The life we receive from Christ is a top down life , but while we are making the switch , it doesn't have that appearance AT ALL . Think King David being chased around a wilderness . We have to make the changeover from perching on the Rockefeller / Rothschild Tree ......Which is really a complete house of cards ,based on Trauma mind control that creates a dependence ..... Until we have risen internally to our situation and gained faith for all of life , and not just ' 1 Corinthians 12 through 14 meetings' . 

The life we receive from Christ is a top down life , but while we are making the switch , it doesn't have that appearance AT ALL

Are you grabbing this ?
Stage one ....obey that inner crisis for peace , for forgiveness , for inner emptiness ....come into your personal Passover that we all must do and still do .....come to Jesus hand over your life to One who has paid our price . Receive His actual new life into your Spirit . Get baptised in water and watch your own funeral in Jesus Christ .
Stage two Grab your own personal Pentecost . Get baptised in the Holy Spirit . Learn proper Christian meetings relying on the Holy Spirit together . 

Stage three Having some faith for gatherings , take that same faith for gatherings and like a child begin to learn real Kingdom ......acknowledge Him in all your ways and He will make straight your paths .

 The basic idea of true ekklesia is to have a core eldership who know enough of all three levels to be able to " carry " the Ark locally in your town or city . This is in the Spirit . Psalm 84 says these men ( women ) are perceived or revealed before God in Zion . They have what it takes in the Spirit . The word for all ministers is the same ....servants . The word for bishops is overseers . In Gate of Miphkad terms in the OT, elders were inspectors of animals for worship . In the Spirit bishops are people who carry gatherings ,keeping it on track like Jesus , who only did what He saw the Father doing . Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.

Everything looks a shambles as thousands upon thousands are in the early stages of making the switcheroony , while the rest are still stuck in might is right pyramid structures under one learned rabbi , as is the way of the religious flesh order . It's not by might , nor by power , but by My Spirit says the Lord .

God never chose kings . 

God never chose Egypt and pyramids , 

He chose a people living from the heart . 

God builds in Tabernacles roof with holes structures .

Paul's Gospel - Albert Tucker's First Study Posts

 

Yes I Am 15 - The Final Stage of the Restoration

Yes I Am by Norman Grubb

Chapter 15
THE FINAL STAGE OF THE RESTORATION:
THE CRUCIFIED BODY

We now turn our attention to the area of our daily living. It has been wonderful to have the disturbing questions of our past and future settled, for, however the world may try to hide it, until we have that settled, it is true of all men that "through fear of death we are all our lifetime subject to bondage." However, we live not in the past or future, but in the present. Have we an answer for its immediate needs? Yes we have, we are boldly asserting, or we would not now be talking it over.

Paul puts it quite simply as he directs our attention from past to present needs. He asks the question, "Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?" In other words, what about our present condition? Let us get down to brass tacks about our daily lives. Have we a genuine one-hundred-percent life-level which matches the kind of statements scattered throughout the New Testament: "joy unspeakable and full of glory"; "peace that passeth understanding"; "having all sufficiency in all things that we may abound unto every good work"; "reigning in life"; "more than conquerors"; "out of our innermost being flow rivers of living water"; "perfect love"? Or is there only a hit-and-miss attempt at such standards, with more miss than hit? (And we all know there is more miss than hit.)

Paul does not shrink from a face-to-face tackling of such questions. He provides us with both a total answer and the basis for that answer. It is best given in his famous Romans 6-8 chapters, into which I personally have never tired of digging further and further until I have at last come up with what I believe is the right understanding and application of what he is saying. It has taken me a long time to be simple enough to let into my head and heart what Paul is really saying, and not what I might think he is saying. The very fact that he adds these chapters to his completed new-birth presentation in chapters 3-5 shows that he realized the matter of full, present "total living" in our new Christ-relationship needed some more thorough examination and explanation - a further turning of the key in the lock - to establish us solidly in Christ as the new person we are.

He again hangs his answer round the final completion of the operations of Moses’ law on us. He explains how in our newfound sincerity, with a zeal to live consistently (as we should) on totally holy and righteous standards - walking as He walked, loving as He loved - we find ourselves in a struggle between flesh and spirit. We know the law and its commandments; we aspire and we strive; but we largely and disgustingly fail. What we should do, we don’t do; and what we hate, we do!

That, as Paul says, is because we have by no means yet been enlightened and experienced the "total exchange" which has taken place in our identification with Christ in His death and resurrection. First of all, we never had it clear about the totality of our former identification with that false deity who had stolen us as his dwelling place - that we were never anything but individual expressions of him, manifesting his nature, not our own. So our present confusion and ineffective living stems right back to that as its source. We have always felt at home with the idea that we are "self-running selves": that we ourselves are responsible for the good and evil in our lives.

Because we were blind to our condition, God in His grace first sent the law through Moses to expose our bondage and reveal to us the nature of the false deity expressing himself through us. In this first exposure, however, we saw no more than the sins we had committed - the breaking of outer laws - and by no means did we penetrate within ourselves to note the sin nature - Satan’s nature expressed by us. Therefore our first response to the greatness of grace shown in our Lord Jesus Christ was simply to recognize our outer sinfulness, to believe that our guilt and curse had been removed by His shed blood, and to rejoice that God would remember our sins against us no more, as guaranteed by His resurrection.

But what we did not know then (and were not within reach of understanding) was that this was no real salvation if it delivered us merely from the outer penalty of our sins but left us as "vessels of wrath" - still containers of the inner sin-person, that old serpent the devil, still reproducing his evil fruit by us. Complete salvation must rid us of producer as well as product, cause as well as effect, sin as well as sins.

This total salvation - the totality of Christ’s cross-redemption - is the deeper discovery which Paul himself didn’t see in its full implication until he lived three years in Arabia. This is what he speaks of in his Galatian letter as the gospel which "I neither received of man, nor was I taught it, but [I received it] by the revelation of Jesus Christ." That revelation was centered around not the blood but the physical body of Jesus on the cross. And what is the importance of that? It is because a living body is the dwelling place of the spirit, and therefore when a body dies, the spirit is no longer in it.

Therefore Paul (when writing to the Corinthians for whom he was an intercessor, and thus having insight into the full meaning of the Savior’s intercession for the world) opened up its total significance as no other did. "We are convinced," he in effect wrote in 2 Corinthians 5:14-21, "that when the Savior died on our behalf it was a body death, and this means that if He died for all, then we all died." And what did His body represent before God? Paul tells us in verse 21 that "God made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us." Please note: sin is not sins. By His shed blood He "bore away our sins," but in His crucified body He "was made sin." This is fantastically deeper than "bearing our sins," wonderful though that was. "Made sin" is almost unthinkable; for sin is Satan’s label, just as we might say love is God’s. Satan is, as it were, Mr. Sin, the spirit of error. Where does the spirit of error live? In human bodies, ever since Adam and Eve partook of that forbidden fruit. So when Jesus in His body hung on the cross, "made sin," that body represented all the bodies of humanity, which are all containers of sin. Yes, He in His body on the cross was made the representative for all the bodies of the human race having Satan, sin’s originator, living within.

There that body died and was buried. When a body dies, the burial is to make it plain that no spirit remains in it. And so it is that Paul can so authoritatively state in Romans 6: "…in that He died, He died unto sin once" - not, in this context, died for our sins, but died unto sin. (That is why the blood is not mentioned by Paul after Romans chapter 5. From there onward the subject is His body death.) Christ’s burial was to signify in plainest terms that no spirit remained in it.

So now Paul just as boldly states that we believers, being buried with Him, are "dead to sin" - a truth way beyond being only cleansed from sins. We are no longer containers of sin (the same thought as being containers of Satan), and we are to state this truth and affirm it as completely as we state and affirm that we are justified from our sins. "The body of sin" is "done away with" (Rom. 6:6 NASV) meaning that our bodies are no longer sin’s dwelling place. And we are to reckon this as fact (Rom. 6:11).

Many of us commonly use "reckon" to imply uncertainty. If, with a book in his hand, someone says to you "I reckon I have a book in my hand," he is likely implying to you that though he believes it is a book, yet he is not absolutely sure. Were he sure, he would just say "I have a book." But in the Bible, reckoning means considering as actual. To reckon a thing to be so, to count on it as fact, is the first stage of faith that affirms. And "reckoning" will later become "realizing" - which is faith confirmed. But we must start with the reckoning!

But to consider myself dead to sin is no light thing, especially when I do not yet appear to experience it. We hesitate to declare "I am dead to sin," because we are thinking about how often sin still seems to turn up in us. But the issue is plain. Will we obey God’s Word? In this same chapter, Paul says that we have "obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered unto us." Have we, really? So let us "go to it" and be sure we boldly affirm and declare what His Word says we are. Let us not compromise (as many folks do - even teachers of the Bible) and seek to get around this by saying it is our "position" but not yet our "condition" - a lovely little evangelical wriggle. Let us rather obey, and declare what we are told to recognize, attend to, and say. Then let us go further, after our word of faith and obedience, and find out how this is a present fact in condition as well as position.

But if it is a fact that we are dead to sin, then it is also a fact that we are "alive unto God through our Lord Jesus Christ" (6:11b). As the spirit of error (Jesus "made sin" - 2 Cor. 5:21) went out of that representative body when Jesus died, so also the Spirit of truth entered in three days later - and therefore the Spirit has entered us through Christ’s bodily resurrection. We see the vastness of the implication of that because, for that reason, we who were called the "old man" because of the "old" spirit of sin in us, now are called the "new man" because of the "new" Spirit of the living God in us. The man, our human self, has not changed. But the old indwelling deity, of whom the man was but the expression, has been totally replaced by Another. And thus - with our whole self totally and solely at His disposal - we joyfully recognize our new Owner. Because of His new management within us, the old owner, Satan, has no control over us. He can shout at us from without, but he has no further place within. We have changed bosses! We are in the employment of a new Firm!

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