Why Reformation Talk is simply underestimating the huge thing God is actually doing

I am not saying John Noe and Lance Wallnau, and three decades before them Gerald Coates and Fulness Magazine are wrong in saying that what we need is NOT revival but a REFORMATION.
John Noe writes a book on it describing just how big the Lutheran and Protestant Reformation is.
Thirdlevel Christianity IS that REFORMATION.
But it;s bigger still.
It is the promised restoration of all things.
It is the Psalm 24 MASTER KEY in the lock
IT IS the greater glory of the latter House but without any of the former infestation of religion.
ACTS 2 was great, but it was still in a context of religion.
It broke free, and St Paul and St Peter (eventually) were no small part in that.....but in the grand grand outworking it was only the Feast of Pentecost.

God is rolling out a Tabernacles that is so big, John Noe thinks I am nuts.
Pentecost was in Jerusalem as was the Passover Jesus participated in, involving His own Body at Golgotha.

Well if you sow a Divine Seed in a Passover and Pentecost context what are you going to harvest?

YUP. The whole earth !!!!
Not understanding Union John Noe and Lance Wallnau are just tinkering with outer forms, all the seven big mountains of influence, currently totally overrun by the secular plans of Psalm 2, and Freemasonry.

God doesnt tinker at this level. He recreates ONE NEW MATURE MAN according to Ephesians....
or as Jesus put it
The Son of Man appearing like lightning across the earth.
And how can that be?
Simple.
Every individual accepting being born again
Every individual accepting the message of being baptised in the Holy Spirit and taking up the Romans 6 confession of faith
Every individual believing ON Galatians 2.20 until it becomes consciousness
No one has seen a church like it?
No one has seen it happen in all the earth and every nation.
But this is behind God's GLORY or THIRDLEVEL statement
"As truly as I LIVE all the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of God as the waters cover the sea."

How do we get there? Facing doubts full on. Gaining experiential faith and knowledge of God
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Kimera Betz
Kimera Betz Amen!
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Kimera Betz
Kimera Betz We are being transformed into the very image of Christ from the inside out. Where else could those ancient gates & paths be but in our minds, will & emotions, in other words, in our souls. When we believe on Jesus & He comes to live in us our spirits a...See more
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John Noe
John Noe Please well define what you think "Third level Christianity" is. Thank you.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch John third level is when the second level becomes us. We walk Jesus Christ as us knowing there is no such thing as a John Noe with a little bit of Jesus rattling around somewhere. None of that dual false consciousness remains.....The whole phony Genesi...See more
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch I don't know if Morris Cerullos generation will ever truly see this stuff, but the equivalent, if you have watched him and Kenneth Hagin is when they changed from racing around frenetically to doing seemingly very little. Morris started to speak of him...See more
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John Noe
John Noe That's not a definition. You are simply rambling on in a muddied fashion So where does muddled writing come from? It comes from muddy thinking. My advice, if you care to receive it is: you need better clarify and present your definition of your so-called "Third level Christianity" if you want people to take you seriously.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch John one day you thought asking Jesus into your heart was stupid and muddied thinking.
One day you thought being baptised in the Spirit was ludicrous.
Then you experienced both.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch You want a Tree of Knowledge life when Jesus only speaks out of the Tree of Life.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch You want a Christianity of morals and dogma and Law and Judaism and the Old Covenant that you can easily transplant and by it prove to yourself that you are an apostle. But actually you just need Jesus.
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John Noe
John Noe You're rambling again.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch John one day you thought asking Jesus into your heart was stupid and muddied thinking.
One day you thought being baptised in the Spirit was ludicrous.
Then you experienced both.
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John Noe
John Noe Chris Welch -- How do you know any of this?
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch Because unborn again people do not get the meaning of salvation.
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John Noe
John Noe Chris Welch -- What's that supposed to mean?
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch we cannot "get"or "understand " or "perceive " what we havent experienced spiritually
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John Noe
John Noe Chris Welch -- Oh? So what?
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch everybody who isnt born again accuses born again people of having muddled thinking.
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John Noe
John Noe Chris Welch -- That's another example of your "muddled thinking" -- IMO.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch everybody who hasnt experienced baptism in the Spirit says the same about Spirit filled people. Only this time they have to pull more straws out of the bag because the atmosphere of joy and emotion cant be denied so they put a sense evaluation to it....

like in Acts 2....oh they are drunk....
which was a bit daft at 9am in the morning.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch There is nothing muddled or undefined about spirit. The only thing the poor little leftfrontal cortex can't handle is you cant measure it with 5 senses or a ruler or some kind of meter..
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John Noe
John Noe Chris Welch -- Since you have introduced that rabbit trail into this posting conversation, I still I've any idea what your so-called "Third level Christianity" is all about ???
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch My socalled thirdlevel is the same as Paul or Jesus or St John.
Or David in Psalm 123.
It's being so locked into seeing what God is doing that in the end you deny, disallow, don't see any other form of duallistic living. Or if you see it you call it out for what it is.

One of the clearest references is when the man said to Jesus "Good Teacher"
and He turned on him to pin him down.
Who are you calling good, there is only one who is good?

The normal thing at that point is to accept a person's flattery, not examine it.
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John Noe
John Noe ???
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch what do you do when you read that passage? Or have you already torn it out?
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John Noe
John Noe I didn't read it.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch well that's honest. How much else dont you read while deriving a living as a ministry?
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John Noe
John Noe Chris Welch -- lots. Also, how do you think you know whether I derive a living as a ministry or not?
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch at the very least you are seling a book of Christian knowledge
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch I think you once said you have been an apostle for some 20-30 years
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John Noe
John Noe So you extrapolate that to mean "deriving a living as a ministry?
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John Noe
John Noe Chris Welch -- Never said any such thing.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch yes
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John Noe
John Noe Chris Welch -- then that's another issue you are in error about.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch I clearly am confusing another conversation, but your book is your book.
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John Noe
John Noe You, sir, are ignorant with your unknowing accusations.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch As one who was reading your book, I am sure you are not meaning that.
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John Noe
John Noe Oh, yes, I do mean that.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch Well to be clear, you are expecting us to read a book about reformation but you dont really perceive anything about what the bible might mean about it.
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John Noe
John Noe You've got to be kidding, right?
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch No. Jesus turning on that man for calling Him Good Teacher is really key to what I have written there.
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John Noe
John Noe Enough of your rambling and accusatory nonsense. Goodbye.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch Any resemblance to an encounter between Jesus and other people in the gospels is purely......
well accurate.

Honour: Who are you Calling Good?

Bill Johnson is ofcourse correct about the "dynamic " of honoring people but in the thirdlevel everything is much more precise, less fuzzy.
In the first and second stages of Christian growth we only perceive things approximately. Pretty soon like Jesus we will be whirling round on people to question them from which spirit they are moving. "Good Master" someone said. Jesus said "Who are you calling Good - there is only One who is Good and that is My Father in heaven."
In other words are you still seeing double? Seeing in separation. Honoring me as if i am some independent self-run soul.....or are you honoring MY Source of Goodness who is My Father in heaven, and you are receiving Him in Me, which is after all my AUTHENTIC self, my spirit self.
Union makes everything clear.
It's seeing with a single eye.
God going on in the flesh.
This then is the power of honoring people.
All you are doing is seeing and recognizing and affirming God going on in them. That is why it has such a glorious ZING about it.
Let us now praise famous men.....the sentence and hymn from Ecclesiasticus, the apocryphal book and so much the mainstay of "Greek-style" secular education in boarding schools, and grammar schools....
This to me at any rate, has always been twisting our arm to try and admit that these great names are great in their own right as independent selves apart from God and therefore we are honoring Satan's lie, Satan himself.....that we can be "independent".
This to me is the spirit behind ancestor worship which surely is a portal for secondheaven fallen heavenly beings to be given leverage on OUR EARTH.....as spirit guides,as "Masters".
What I have just written is VITAL in understanding how Christ's gifts to the church operate. Apostles prophets pastors and teachers, and evangelists ARE charismatic ministry giftings to the Church. They are not, as secular people have it, just flavours of talkers....people giving talks to the church as they call it.
NO out of their bellies flow the Spirit power to get precise Spirit jobs done.
BUT BUT....this all connects with
spontaneous Life
God's NOW Presence
the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy
Guard your HEARTS for out of them flow the fountains of life.
This is spirit to spirit communication. It switches things on in the Spirit. A carnal person hasn't been born again so cannot even hear on this register yet, so ascribes the carnal word "talk" to what is really a supernatural gift of utterance.
The grace gift of God FLOWS
It comes out of our innards and flows to another person.
Jesus knew when He healed people like the Canaanite woman because He felt the power flow out of His Body.
When the five ministry gifts operate they feel Jesus Christ Himself being imparted.
But people hanging onto their coat tails as if they are something in themselves. Well, in Acts, people on one island (Malta?) tried to do that with Paul and Barnabbas. "hey these guys are gods....Zeus etc No Paul and Barnabas weren't having any of that. So the people immediately tried to stone them.
This is the minister's dilemma. The people WANT to enter into an "illicit" relationship with you. They are still living in the independent self. They haven't grown up yet in the Lord.
But you HAVE to back off in the Spirit . YOU CANNOT join them in their spiritual adultery. They are trying to relate with you "apart from the Lord", this is when you turn on them like Jesus and say "Who are you calling good, or great? We are but servants of the Living Lord Jesus. We do as He says, and when he isn't saying we are powerless."