The History of the Revelation of God

 

Born again in the Holiest Place

 

I was alive in the 60s . If you have seen Jesus Revolution film 2023 you catch an American view of what was going on suddenly late 60s and early 70s . We were in UK and it was even less polarised round one main figure , or a handful.  Old legacy churches had congregation members getting born again and baptised in the Spirit . There was the Jesus Move in their teens and 20s . Graham Cooke I just found out was  converted in David and Kathie Walters house . But whether walking the street or in a Brighton Cinema Queue , or watching a Billy Graham film at an Amersham youth outreach centre followed by a Holy Spirit organised Day training event , the Spirit of God was Sovereignly moving . We were building upon Pentecostalism but our generation wanted to live this stuff , not forever hold meetings or do street outreach .
What could be our Message? We only knew Day One stuff and if anybody asked about living here and now , we couldn't say . We were teens and the people before us only knew about salvation ,deliverance and healing.
Gerald Coates and John Noble wanted to know about being supernaturally natural .
All this to say though .....there was a clear Move of God . In the 60s certain bishops were denying miracles, the Virgin Birth and even the resurrection of Jesus . In the 70s we were too busy praying for  people and seeing things happen , to notice or even care what Anglicans didn't get up to .

What our psalm 24 seeking generation didn't appreciate was such a deep answer to the question . How many like me  have been down to the dregs , to learn the power of sin as we live upon the Genesis 3 platform?
We may be born again in our spirit main person , but unless we set our minds on that new spirit person and our new reality,  instead of slipping back into the false delusion of the self powered front of house soul -I.....we have a few big ouches to learn .

God said through Juan Carlos Ortiz around 1974 that in the future people would be born again in the Holiest Place . Well apart from St Paul and François DuToit ( Mirror Bible ) pointing out that that is so .....Im a child of the Jesus Move .
We were aware of what is true for us now in the Holy Spirit . François can say what he likes as doctrine but in Acts 2 this is what happened....
A fully built ecclesia was presented in its full Tabernacles / Community/ City on a Hill context.
120 and the 12 had seen Jesus after resurrection,  a bit like Elisha they had seen Jesus ascend.
They spent the next 10 days confessing their faults to one another ....not least their part in letting God the Second Person in human form be crucified in front of them and they did nothing about it .
(  Very similar to what family members have done to their offspring while the fourth quartiles were all screaming at them .....dont take those vaccines . Use HCQ and Ivermectin . Don't let people use Remdesivir on your family and friends.  And you actively refused the real information coming at you live from alert family and all over the internet )

Acts 2 had real mighty rushing wind
Real loud praises up the streets .
Real cloves of fire upon the heads
Real unknown languages being spoken
(At my baptism, Corinne , another girl baptised
with me spoke in Polish . A Polish speaking one time visitor translated what she said )
Then the agape love was so powerful people really shared what they owned .

It was Third level ( 1 John 2 Father stage leadership )
It was the Spirit version of Tabernacles as live fellowship house to house breaking of bread and apostolic doctrine .
Outstanding miracles.
It was the Holiest Place because it was Open Heaven Revival Presence  and the two aspects of the Holiest Place is normal holy living ....symbolised by the grained wood acacia box holding the three manifest forms of Word
And ofcourse
The mighty deeds which is represented by the Khavod accompanying glory .

It was great of Jesus to give us another of His key first mentions.  First mentions in the Bible contain all the DNA of later full glory mentions .

Nobody can say thirdlevel ecclesia can't happen everywhere because it's already happened somewhere !!!

And the Jesus Move have all shared early versions and you can't fob us off with pyramid church run by king pastors and tell us that a teaching synagogue is the same as Revival Presence church.  You are liars and we have already been there in smaller versions .

Ecclesia Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 12, has THREE DIVERSES. Really good 5 day conferences already know this ......but this IS LOCAL CHURCH ....not something we have to wait all year for .

If we abide in God's Word we know the truth about the ugliness of the Genesis 3 platform and the glory of the Heavens God has rebirth us into ....and this releases a raft of fully free people.

And these free people Daniel says , in the last times shall run to and fro throughout the earth shining like the stars.

Why is Acts 2 So important?

How Acts 2 IS the HOLY of HOLIES on legs!!

 This morning's Facebook posts on what it is we are actually a part of.

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The way Facebook works as all you guys know is by participation in the form of a response . A like . The like then gives tacit acceptance to a flow of posts . Can I just say , that I am through with the solo ministry thing . This is a figment of everybody’s imagination . There is no such thing in the Kingdom . You get sent out in minimums of twos . Perhaps not in Christianity , but when you are preaching Kingdom you do . Can I also say I am through with Romans 3 to 5 ministry . Just to be clear there I mean the isolated form of ministry that it is , taken out of all context of the whole of the rest of Romans . Can I also say I am through with women leaping out of “ socialisation “ into an esotericism that involves Grand Masters and angels and lights and stones and crystals and kundilini and chakras and third eyes . What I am interested in is people who know how taking up the Cross works , how Genesis 3 is a lie , how we have died and it is no longer I that live , and this being so true that we have moved from death to life and are inside each other . We are like disciples helping each other with nets . As marvellous as Rodney Howard Browne, Benny Hinn are ... they aren’t actually part of that . As marvellous as all these ladies are finding life beyond the strictures of Law , and male pyramid societies , finding flow and Romans 3 to 5 life ........ and as a common theme loads of ladies club together ...... But are they together really ? The together of the Kingdom really really is the destruction of the “ lone - I “ from Genesis 3. It’s not just where we find each other as Grace covered people . There’s any number of churches of 15-35 year olds as was Rob Rufus church in Hong Kong all drinking of the grace message around 2008-12. But you notice it was still one leader doing all the ministering . If it’s genuine then I guess like Jesus after about 42 months there will be now 12 going off and doing the same . Except it isn’t is it ? Jesus wasn’t ministering out of a single shred of Genesis 3 consciousness . He was transmitting pure Kingdom . He had no “ lone - I “ consciousness so what He was imparting wasn’t miracles , wasn’t even the complete covering for sin . What He was ministering was uncovering any of this sham existence by being filled with grace and truth .At times gently , at times ferociously . And they trusted Him to do it because He had authority .And was ofcourse under authority . Real life and Real Kingdom are the same thing . One thing . And we join each other inside it . But it is absolute Light and not all of Jerusalem were up for it . So here we are and this is the “ king David’s new cart “ of automated fellowship where we “ like “ something . The truth of Light though is we are either drawn to it in one another or repelled by it . And similarly if there’s any Dark we are repelling one another if in that matter we are already in Light . A lot of this is unspoken . It’s inside attitudes behind the things we are writing about . Many times we can’t quite articulate it either . Or it’s like Paul writes “ if I am an eye and because you are a hand , I say I have no need of you .....” so there's some of that too . We are all at different stages and that’s not a problem ..... honestly not .... It’s when a solo person thinks that after being given a gift of healing in 1 Corinthians 12 that they are now John Doe ministries Or That because they have read as far as Romans 5 that being able to minister to 15-35 year olds is the same as Kingdom . Praise and worship 25 minutes . Preach on the covering of the Blood 30 minutes . Get a word of knowledge to heal somebody - a few minutes then everyone’s buzzing and send them home . OK . But none of that’s Kingdom . It’s somewhere in the first two weeks of the gospels except they at least ministered in twos , so it isn’t even that . It gets 15-35 year olds excited ..... for many weeks and months any way ..... Until a church split over real world , real living type stuff .  

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Dave Bilbrough, one of many on the podium of the London House church gatherings

Why do we go out in twos? So we can now have a tandem pair of Genesis 3 conscious people ministering out of their leftbrain of library facts ? No that would be like taking two mono loud speakers and saying “ hey listen to this . It’s stereo !” It isn’t though . It’s simply two mono speakers . It’s the same sound information reinforced through two mono speakers . THE REASON WE GO OUT IN TWOS AND MORE IS TO BEGIN DEMONSTRATING THE EPHESIANS 1.10 ADMINISTRATION . This is Kingdom . Gerald Coates , Maurice Smith , Dave Bilbrough, John MacLaughlin, David Mansell ( to start ) even the Galloping Gourmet !!! Yup Graham Kerr was there !!!! John Noble ofcourse . Instinctually they were doing Kingdom . But each one were still right inside the old Genesis 3 consciousness still , but with some anointing !!!! By by the lights of 1970s it was brilliant . And it was nascent Kingdom . We aren’t preaching” lone - I Genesis 3” power Christianity . We are not preaching mono loudspeaker Christianity . The whole “ sonic “ information of Kingdom is stereo from the very first sentence . It’s redeemed community . But ofcourse how redeemed we are shows up in LIGHT . If we are still a load of Alan Bennett mono “ Talking Heads “ ( his plays that are monologues ) Just putting us in a room will still be a load of mono speakers . To be baptised in the sea and under the cloud as a people , as a City compacted together , is something God has to work . If we work it , then it’s socialism . It’s redistribution of wealth . Which is just a con , because the elite share out our hard earned goods with a bunch of ne’er do Wells and cream off the top load for themselves .... or sell off all the hardware of a country .... its power its water its railways its health and all these get run as corporations and the expenses skyrocket . That’s why the actual production of any nation devolves mostly back into 70% of self employed and small businesses. Because pyramids don’t work . Endless tiers of middle managers benefit a few at the top but they are the most inefficient way of running anything . The Body . The Kingdom . Our own bodies . Do not resemble Eiffel Towers . Or pyramids . We are a whole . With no middle management . The Body is joined by that which each individual joint supplies . That’s the Ephesians 1.10 Kingdom . In Darkness you have to have pyramids . Darkness churches are run by one human down through tiers . Kingdom Churches are run by the Holy Spirit through living connection and many classes or types of gifting distributed throughout the Body . The one who has real authority is just doing a whole load more “ supplying and joining “.

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Fisherfolk Yeldhall Manor

Wherever they were at the London house church leaders ministered out of the rediscovery of baptism in the Spirit in a no religious setting and RELATIONSHIP . Wherever they were at Graham Pulkingham and the Fisherfolk ministered baptism in the Spirit out of Graham’s deeper Anglican history but out of Community lived relationship . As we proved in Emsworth Community , the Body is itself an entity like our own bodies with its own homeostasis . There’s stuff coming up and in Christ we do have what it takes for things to be brought into complete deliverance . We weren’t very good at it . We didn’t have Norman Grubbs articulation . But it really was going on , had we continued with it . The alarming nature of “ The Hideous strength” that is serpent life quite put the leadership off , and some of the leadership got rid of the more mature leadership and called this all “ way too heavy and unnecessary “. So what happens ? Things which had been more fluid and Kingdom revert back to pyramid , and “ one leaders family “..... with only family members having a look in ... until they too get cheesed off. But no .... the gospel was clear . Take up your cross and follow Me Paul says Dont get bitter in the day of testing . That’s not the same as allowing a pyramid leader to do and say what they like . That’s just Marxism . But when your strongholds are being brought into the Light ..... be assured you won’t like it . It’s not a deckchair on the Mediterranean . It is the Song of Solomon north wind . It is the astringents in Esther’s beautification . Jacob said at Peniel “ Dont let me go until you have blessed me “. Bind the festal sacrifice to the altar . But boy this has to be right !!!! People who are Christ them will really be about pulling you through . The Spirit will be upon them for this purpose . They will be groaning with groans too deep for words and the Holy Spirit will be helping them in their weakness . And guess what ? Next week it will be their turn !!!! Nobody is exempt . We are going from glory to glory . Elders have just had more of this sequence . They’ve done more of this training in righteousness . But nobody can say “ I am without sin now “..... all we can say is we are getting better at believing Christ in me as me . It’s not a doctrine , it’s a manifestation of greater and greater unity and love. Of being inside each other in a holy and healthy way ..... not codependency , aiding and abetting each other’s Genesis 3 alone-I. This is why we “ sniff the air “ like Paul . Because we are spiritual beings we know this stuff anyway when we are amongst people . Understand this ..... yup , some part is a geographical melding of each church in one location .... but it’s really a continuous state in the Spirit . Having fallen in love , God does mean things like says ....Right you have to move on now !!! So it says in Acts on the beach everybody was loving on Paul as he was leaving , with much tears and crying . They genuinely didn’t know if he would be killed . But it’s this Romans 8 state that we are co pollinating round the world . To the extent we are inside it , to that extent we meet each other instantly inside it . When we were firstlevellers , we met each other inside the glorious knowledge of being born again . When we were baptised in the Spirit we met inside that too . When we were having Romans 3 to 5 opened up we nolonger had to regale each other with the exciting things God had been using us to do . We now knew it was just a glorious grace covered being we’d been brought into . But Romans 8 is the place where you know that you know that you know there is no independent self . Romans 7 has strung you up from the ceiling to prove it . You now know something of being inside each other ..... at least relative to the current Rhema word that Christ is speaking and getting you both involved in . Some people are preaching a Christianity , whatever that is . But Jesus preached Kingdom . The Kingdom of heaven is at hand . 3 1/2 years later there was a microcosm that got called ekklesia . Can we really call anything on earth yet run like a pyramid the world over “ church “ or “ ekklesia “? Does it even look like Acts 2? I’ve never heard this spelt out by anybody but me , but isn’t Acts 2 just the Holy of Holies furniture ? In the Holy of Holies there’s a prepared mercy seat . An acacia box covered inside and out with gold , stacked out with three forms of Word . Testimonies of “ Life being lived “ The Rhema NOW Word The Declaration of pulling the whole of heaven into our earth space . Or the almond stick declarations of Deliverance . And above the Mercy Seat the manifestations of Gods Now glory , His Shekinah Presence . So in Acts 2 we see this as all one package . And that is our blueprint as ekklesia . Well where is it ? Anywhere ? For brief instances God works revival like Jesus Word of knowledge about where the fish are . The fish are found and all the ministries are fighting each other over the nets and the biggest hauls . Then we go back to Jesus in the gospels and see the same pattern and reproduction of Kingdom . God has to start somewhere so He starts with His Chosen Son , who though solo , in His Heart are the highways to Zion . So unlike any other ministry anywhere Jesus brings 12 ordinary people into this co shared Holy of Holies reality by Acts 2. Extraordinary . But I’ve never heard that spelled out by anybody ever . Not even R Edward Miller who prayed in the Argentine Revival Not even Jorge Pradas who established a church in every province of Argentina and some others in Europe and UK. WHAT IS IT WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING ?

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Yeldall Manor where the Fisherfolk were based in UK, then Vic Gledhill based Life for the World Trust  Drug Rehab here.

  Unless you are born of the Kingdom you cannot see the Kingdom . It’s just endless religious movements and stone buildings scattered across the nations . Cain church and Abel church . Understand the Anglican harvest festival is but a small meme of the entire thing but it sure does go a long way to capturing the whole of it. The idea of bringing in food that you have harvested out of your own farms , not as a sacrifice for sins exactly, they aren’t quite that mad ...... but it’s some kind of “ works thank offering “ for Gods abundant supply . It’s some tins “ on the side “ which will be farmed out to people who will be genuinely grateful , doubtless . But real Kingdom is real heart relationship with God and each other . It dismantles the whole of Genesis 3 separation from the inside of the heart out . We really do all go into the ground and die .... Not to OUR AUTHENTIC SELF..... To our whole Satanically driven spirit infestation that takes a Cross to deliver us in death and resurrection. Our authentic God conceived and God created self comes bouncing back bigger than ever !!! Norman Grubb calls it “ us - with a wink “. Because we know that at our inner centre we have died !!!! If this process doesn’t have Jesus label on it , it isn’t . It’s just that it’s a Holy Spirit label that can’t be seen except by born again eyes . When did I give to you a drink Jesus ? When that little one came in my name and asked for a drink . What is “ my name “? Spontaneously God driven . There is a beggar type who hasn’t the slightest intention of anything other than free food , and they claim that they are coming in Gods Name and asking you for free stuff . But just “ claiming “ and “ being something spontaneous “ in your own God given integrity are two different things . Back to the heart thing . All of us are naturally something . First thing I got used in was having loads of songs . These were a blessing to the Body . Then I got cheesed off . Know why ? I can articulate it now . I didnt want to be stuck for ever and a day with aiding and abetting the Genie Aladdin’s Lamp rubbing of praise . I wanted to get to the heart of what the apostles were actually doing . Vic Gledhill had a burden for all the drug addicts . He began Life for the World Trust and they moved into the Reading House that the Fisherfolk had lived in . During the height of multilevel marketing I met Vic again . By this time he was into motivational speaking in business . A kind of less well known Zig Ziglar . I asked him how he’d pulled away from his drug rehab work . “Only a small number ever get free “said Vic . “I got tired of wasting my life on losers . I feel I can make a greater contribution with those that want to change their mindset .” Want my perspective on that ? Perhaps you dont . My perspective is that is that Vic was a cross between a Matthew and a Mark . He likes things to be practical and actually work , but like Lance Walnau , he’s also a big perspective man , who likes setting things in motion . A builder . An entrepreneur . But if you never “ see “ how Jesus came not only to bless us with Deuteronomy 28 blessings , but to completely reverse the Genesis 3 lie ..... anything you practically try to do for people won’t get anywhere . That’s why we preach Kingdom . That’s why we preach seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness . Not just to be mean . Because it’s the only thing that works . Marxism doesn’t work . Actually neither left nor right politics works . Kingdomtics is the only thing that works , and contains every shade of genuine positivity within all of it .

The New Creation is built differently

(Facebook Post today)

Yesterday’s revelation never got posted.
So maybe not everything gets to Facebook as it used to.
The Body is built by that which every joint supplies

Is a different way of working from the first creation

The first creation God formed and then we got into living from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil and purely moving things around by our five natural senses.

The new creation in Romans 10 starts by us “ supplying”
By believing in our heart by confessing with our lips and by it activating Gods salvation in us

( actually wasn’t so different with Abraham) his faith was accredited to him as righteousness

But this accounts for the crazy madcap way of training the 12 disciples

In university you study under professors and receive lots of knowledge and then this knowledge becomes your authority.

With Jesus, early on He sent them out proclaiming the Kingdom.
The Body is built by that which every joint supplies.
But I haven’t got anything Lord
Just like a pipe conveying water, we are instructed to begin by opening up our pipe and letting the Kingdom flow through from source.....

And by it somehow we grow, and the Kingdom is established in us too....

And accredited to us as righteousness

It accounts for the deluge in Acts 2.

How did the New Creation Church get established in one day....
Everybody was endued with power to begin speaking proclaiming , even if it wasn’t their own language.

That day the new Body was being joined from scratch by that which every joint supplies.

Amazing no?
Also helps you understand why the first two gates of Jerusalem are those two gates.

You become a sheep- the sheep gate

Then almost straight away you bring in more fish
The Fish Gate

Certainly was our experience. We barely knew anything but the four spiritual Laws verses, but we shared that didn’t we?

The Apostolic Foundation of our Faith upon sand and stars.

Scott Law - fineartamerica

A study on Genesis 12 and Genesis 15


Genesis 12
14 The Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him, “Now lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward; 15 for all the land which you see, I will give it to you and to your [l]descendants forever. 16 I will make your descendants as the dust of the earth, so that if anyone can number the dust of the earth, then your]descendants can also be numbered. 17 Arise, walk about the land through its length and breadth; for I will give it to you.”
Genesis 15
Abram said, “O Lord God, what will You give me, since I am childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?” 3 And Abram said, “[e]Since You have given no offspring to me, one born in my house is my heir.” 4 Then behold, the word of the Lord came to him, saying, “This man will not be your heir; but one who will come forth from your own body, he shall be your heir.” 5 And He took him outside and said, “Now look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 Then he believed in the Lord; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.

THINGS TO NOTICE
God arrests us with a Word we can take....Gen.12....natural descendants....sands of the sea

The ante is upped somewhat when Sarah cannot bear.
Now compare this with when you were baptised in the Spirit.
When you came to Christ it was enough for you to make that momentous decision to follow the Lord. Peter's Word from Jesus was "I will make you a fisher of men". Peter was pinned to the wall with that one long enough for God to really move in his life. But Peter, like Abraham to begin with, fixed his eyes on a natural land. Canaan, now Israel.

Peter's last question to Jesus was, "shall the rule be given back to Israel?" Jesus answered in a kind of fuzzy way, because the Father alone knows the times and seasons. But the IMPORTANT answer for Peter was
Go up to Jerusalem and WAIT for the Holy Spirit to be outpoured.
Genesis 15, and the kind of prayer meeting that began on the seashore of Galilee, with Jesus looking straight into Peter, now a broken man, are very very similar in the Spirit.
Abraham is broken by God's Word, surrounded by carcasses split in two, with the burning torch of fire hovering between all the pieces.

NOW GOD REALLY SPEAKS WHAT HE IS UP TO.....
-Comment: We are already in agony over something not working. In our babyish reasoning we want our "superman" God to come back to us.....to "kiss it and make it better"
But God on the other hand , sees the huge gash in our "independent selfdom" and now speaks into us His real Word.
We are kind of too powerless to resist.
For Abraham it was "Count the Stars"
For Peter it was INSIDE Peter's own sermon. His sermon was already the fulfilment of his first Word from God, to become a fisher of men.....and now the Spirit in and upon Peter speaks the REAL WORD.....
"but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel:

17 ‘And it shall be in the last days,’ God says,
‘That I will pour forth of My Spirit on all mankind;

Think about this in relation to Genesis 12 and 15.
The initial earthly promise according to bloodlines was made according to the sands of the sea....

But in the middle of the GASH OF GENESIS 15, THE BROKENNESS OF PETER THE ROCK,
THE VERY FAILURE OF ISRAEL THE NATION AND SPECIFICALLY THE FAILURE OF THE 3000 TO STOP cHRIST GOD'S OWN SON FROM BEING CRUCIFIED....

RIGHT INSIDE THAT GASH MOMENT
THE HOLY SPIRIT COMES AND UPPPPPS THE ANTE....

NOW IT'S ABOUT STARS OF HEAVEN
PEOPLE TWICE BORN
AND ALL THE NATIONS OF THE EARTH BEING SQUEEZED INTO THE GASH..

“Iwill call those who were not My people, ‘My people,’
And her who was not beloved, ‘beloved.’”
26 “And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘you are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”

First Moses says,
“I will make you jealous by that which is not a nation,
By a nation without understanding will I anger you.”
20 And Isaiah is very bold and says,
“I was found by those who did not seek Me,
I became manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”

Romans 11:11 I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous. 12 Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their [f]fulfillment be! 13 But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if somehow I might move to jealousy my [g]fellow countrymen and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too.
17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the [h]rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved;.......

THIS HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT OUR NATURAL ABILITY TO ACHIEVE ANYTHING!!!
EVEN OUR GOSPEL PREACHING IS NOT LEFTBRAIN SPEECH. WE PRAY FOR A GIFT OF UTTERANCE. WE ARE SPEAKING FORTH THE DIVINE WORD OF GOD.

God announces quite emphatically....I am laying in Zion a STUMBLING Stone
IT is there to trip up the natural flesh.
The Plan of God has never been limited to blood inheritance. It has always been about the supernatural bringing forth of His Word, even with Abraham.

Listen to this Protestants.
Luther had a revelation , yes, about Abraham's faith being reckoned as righteousness.
Then he believed in the Lord; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.

But guess what? This was reckoned to him NOT on his initial believing and calling in Genesis 12.
No, but when Abraham was pooped. When the promise looked further away than ever because now he knew neither he nor his wife could conceive a child.

This is the nature of our faith.
Firstly to be brought to a place where we realise our phony self-independence, commonly called in churches "our own strength".....but isn't actually....
And God may have initially attracted our attention with one word of promise. But really He has had quite a different Word for us from the beginning. It is His Son Jesus Christ inside us with whom He makes His actual promise, for it will require the FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST to bring it to pass.

Why we need the baptism in the Spirit and fire? - A study by Chris Welch

The Anointing Oil for Priesthood
The gift of Christ includes the anointing that is now upon Him, and as he comes to be a resident inside you, guess where that anointing resides?
A description is in psalm 133...the priestly anointing oil.
This is the baptism in the Spirit that was first poured out on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2....
and as Jesus must reign until His enemies are made His footstool....then the anointing oil continues to flow ever since that day.
Baptism in the Spirit is only an option if you think it is. Nothing is forced on anybody....
but spiritually speaking, and here I speak in the same terms as the admonition to tell every man to repent....there is no spiritual option....but if we really don't want heaven and spiritual things nobody is there to force us....(apart from Catholics and the CIA)
but spiritually speaking the Holy Spirit and the baptism in the Spirit are no option....
Jesus whole work was to take the Jews first, out of the "outer courts " realms of their experience with God, and take them via the baptism in the Spirit into the "innercourts realm" of the heavenly Temple.
When the Jews weren't interested, apart from the first few thousands in the Jerusalem church, the gospel was thrown open to anybody in the gentile world who WAS interested.
They weren't expected to go through the hundreds and hundreds of years of life experience of Jews first, Jesus Christ included the Gentiles in the same experience straight away that He wanted to take the Jews into.
Christianity
The New Covenant
The new Covenant born again community
ONLY WORK in the realm of baptism in the Spirit and ofcourse new birth or John Chapter 3 spiritual rebirth.
There is no option. If you try to operate without the command to repent, be baptised and be filled to overflowing with the Spirit,you reproduce the Jewish synagogue idea of Rabbi and laity that all evangelical churches have.
Apart from a general experience of rebirth, there is nothing about an evangelical church that functions in the New Covenant.
They may have bought the early Mercedes Benz but it is still being pulled by a cart horse.
You NEED the Baptism in the Spirit to lead you into all Truth, and that includes the basic call to WALK the WAY, to LEARN THE TRUTH and to GET THE Life Jn 16.13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth.

CHURCH LIFE
You NEED the baptism in the Spirit to be able to run church. 1 Cor12
"Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6 There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. 7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good." THERE IS NO COMMON GOOD without baptism in the Spirit. The NEEDS of the COMMON GOOD ARE SIMPLY NOT SERVED
You NEED the baptism in the Spirit to interpret what He has already Divinely caused to be written down. It was written in RUACH or breath of God, so it has to be translated from RUACH to be life to anybody.
1 Cor 2 Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard,
And which have not entered the heart of man,
All that God has prepared for those who love Him.”
10 [d]For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. ..................
But [f]a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually [g]appraised.
Baptism in the Spirit takes us out of the realm of natural or carnal man and into the "covered are of the heavenly tabernacle" where there is no natural light or sunlight. WE NEED the Spirit's Illumination in this realm or we are stuffed!!! But we are NOT an OLD COVENANT CONGREGATION , we are learning to be led by the Spirit of God as ones born of the Spirit. See John Chapter 3

WE NEED THE BAPTISM IN THE SPIRIT to experience UNITY,
in ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM. Psalm 133
Ephesians 4
Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called, 2 with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another in love, 3 being diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.

SET APART FOR MINISTRY
WE NEED THE BAPTISM IN THE HOLY SPIRIT to know when people are ready for ministry
joints who are "working properly" Ephesians 4
Acts 13: 2 While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3 Then, when they had fasted and prayed and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
4 So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia and from there they sailed to Cyprus.

WE NEED THE BAPTISM IN THE HOLY SPIRIT for evangelism
Revelation 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.
For Healing the sick, casting out demons, conducting spiritual warfare, for the miraculous gift of utterance in preaching, also for the gifts of word of wisdom and knowledge to help and deliver people completely unknown to us.

NOT BY MIGHT NOR BY POWER BUT BY MY SPIRIT SAYS THE LORD
Then the angel who was speaking with me returned and roused me, as a man who is awakened from his sleep. 2 He said to me, “What do you see?” And I said, “I see, and behold, a lampstand all of gold with its bowl on the top of it, and its seven lamps on it with seven spouts belonging to each of the lamps which are on the top of it; 3 also two olive trees by it, one on the right side of the bowl and the other on its left side.” 4 Then I said to the angel who was speaking with me saying, “What are these, my lord?” 5 So the angel who was speaking with me answered and said to me, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” 6 Then he [a]said to me, “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel saying, ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ says the Lord of hosts. 7 ‘What are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become a plain; and he will bring forth the top stone with shouts of “Grace, grace to it!”’”
He is describing the middle area or first covered area of the heavenly Tabernacle, wherein is the candlestick.
This preeminently is the function of the LOCAL CHURCH
meeting in the Name of Jesus
and being accelerated into full growth as sons as the first disciples were, as described by the third area of the Temple the Holiest Place.

PREPARED FOR EPHESIANS 6 WARFARE
The whole first 5 chapters of Ephesians prepares for Ephesians 6
Warfare
To UNMASK the secondheavens, and the fallen principalities and powers there
to paralyse their usurped rulership over nations
to reclaim our rightful earth under the Lord and Creator Psalm 24
to say to all ancient curses and boundaries : Be lifted up ye Ancient Doors and Let the King of Glory Come In.

FINAL SUMMARY
THERE IS NO OPTION AT ALL ABOUT BAPTISM IN THE SPIRIT.
Without baptism in the Spirit....we see human and spiritual monstrosities such as all the denominations including Catholicism
We see UNPREPARED ministries
We see churches that remain in Old Covenant worship with one leader doing everything
We see Churches exercising no authority and effect over localities, nations and continents, but instead we see the power of the enemy's people grow stronger and usurp more and more territory and laws
we see very few people properly born again and filled with the Spirit and learning to function in the Melchizedek order under their Head King Jesus.

Carrying the Ark Home

My Facebook note:
THE Pattern for transporting the Ark of the Covenant is carrying poles on the shoulders...forwards 6 paces, then sacrifice.
The problem with devotionals, or "seeking God", or "being caught up in the heavenlies"...which ARE ALL REAL...and in offering terms are like the oil offering.....it's ONLY one seventh of the JOURNEY guys!!!! And already it has got DIVORCED from what we're doing on this planet. What we are doing is INSTALLING God's MERCY SEAT IN FLESH. God Coming IN FLESH. Corporately. Everything that you know coming INTO Jesus, the ALL IN ALL, and then being handed over to the Father. So JUST gazing lovingly at your Bridegroom is fine....as long as you appreciate that He is ALIVE and HE errrr MOVES. So where you were yesterday gazing in His eyes...He's...errrr...not there.He's moved. He's doing something else. This is the difference between religion and reality. What does God come in the flesh look like? Well...to be frank, when Jesus announced that His COURSE in human dynamics here on earth was over, because He knew the point had arrived when "the devil had absoultely nothing...no landing places whatever in Him"...Guess what? The disciples didn't then stand back in amazement and gaze at this fully fleshed out version of God in awe. NOPE. Jesus never looked any different to the naked eye than 24 hours previously. So DON'T confuse Spirit reality with how things LOOK. But that's what God is going for. A people so immersed in the Life of Jesus, we reach a point where the prayer that we were told to pray, has fully achieved its objective. "LEAD US NOT INTO THE TIME OF TESTING....why? Because it's now irrelevant. We've already had the Holy Spirit's assault course...so we don't need it...we are fully delivered from EVIL." This is what mature sons will look like...and may not be stunningly different to the naked eye to start with!!!However, I really wanted to stress this subject further.
Today I was reflecting on a couple of " third level operations " in the Bible:

Jesus Christ speaking through St Peter the words : This Jesus who you crucified, spoken in Acts 2.
This was the truth, and for all but 3000, it was unpalatable, but that didn't make it untrue.
A whole crowd in Jerusalem HAD CHOSEN Barabbas to be set free, and Jesus to be crucified.

The second "third level" operation was Joseph in Egypt.
His first and second levels of development as a person had involved firstly his call, which came in the form of dreams, and secondly, his being sold first into slavery, then wrongfully into prison....but when God's time came, Joesph was raised INTO the very MANIFESTATION of HIS CALLING.
Then his brothers arrived!!!!!

Now as a third leveller , Joseph, as later did Peter above, did co operate with God, as a mature son to bring his brothers into a place of full repentance....and not just partial forgiveness.

BASICALLY both saints were endowed with the task of RIPPING ALL FIGLEAVES off from their brethren  and then introducing full and free forgiveness and restoration.

People in the  child and young men stages want to be used in ministry. With all their heart they want God to use them. They see the glory of others being used, and they too desire this with all their hearts.
People in the charismatic bubble...that is people who are forever going to meetings, desiring to be on the ministry circuit, desiring to hold meetings.....allbeit to be a channel of blessing....
quite often simply DON'T "GET" REAL LIFE. They don't see the need for it. They think it's a bit of a mistake en route for the real spiritual stuff....meetings.

Jesus however spent 30 years just doing LIFE. Once 30, He had so much authority when He'd emerged after His time of wilderness testing, He was a continual amazement to those who knew Him.

But Jesus would, in turn, in a similar vein, give His own prescription, onto the disciples.
Preach the gospel in Jerusalem,Judea,Samaria onto the ends of the Earth.
Start where you are at.....even if...like Jesus in Nazareth , you are rejected. At least you tried.

Like a chick emerging from its shell, you have built up strength breaking out from your own environment.

When Jesus said about praying concerning harvesting men's souls, He didn't say rush into the harvest, He said Pray to the Father that He send out workers. Send out means THRUST OUT.  Your own innards impel you. Your own rivers make way for yourself.  "A man's gift makes way for him" Proverbs.
But where do these rivers burst forth from? Anointing? Yes. But anointing that has been roadtested, that has been brought to bear against realworld obstacles, or in Jesus case, real spiritual obstacles. And in the friction, and the wrestling (Ephesians 6 says wrestling, but the word means vibration)......the Word on the inside comes forth like an explosion....but the strength was built up in the vibration of the two opposing forces.

I suppose I would say that is the main difference between 2nd and thirdlevel ministries. 2ndlevel ministries don't really "get" what life is for.   Their spirituality doesn't really encompass normal life, so they are forced to talk around spiritual matters, and meetings, and praying....but they've never really come through their own version of Romans 6-8. Their seed hasn't really been given the chance to go into the Earth and die, and so they do not know the privilege of a completely new plant springing up, packed with its own fruit producing, reproductive seed....from their insides.

You cannot manufacture ministry. It is described in Hebrews as ministering from the power of an indestructible life.....but all the while clinging onto your own, and not letting it fall into the ground to properly die.....how on earth can this indestructible Life start to break through?

The Negative Spiritual Power of Mixture Part One : Leaven

As the Holy Spirit guides us through life again, this time "seeing only God", we can be sure He is showing His Light on many of the things we were just taking for granted.

One of the things we didnt see
Living in the land of "just-me", of a supposed independent self,  us as entirely self-empowered beings, we were entirely caught up in the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, that is , in a Land of opposites that we had to gingerly pick our way through.

How Great is that Darkness
Jesus said if the very light that we have been living by, turns out to actually have been Darkness all along, then how great, clever and manipulative this same Darkness has been. And this is ofcourse what we are beginning to say louder and louder. This whole process of picking our way between opposites as an activity is actually none other than the root of  "the speculations and thoughts raised up against the knowledge of Christ" that we are now tearing down.
This manner of living was the school master to lead us to Christ : the Law, but once we meet Him and connect with Him we get caught up with His actual Life.




Our lives were a good deal more complicated than black and white, good and bad. We could be doing good as an outer act, but from the dodgiest of motives inside.


Mixture is a Power
But this is all a preamble to say that as fast as the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil has  been set up to "contain" people until such time as they find the Real One, the devil gets to tamper , particularly with the now established Tree of Good.  So the Good we are working with, actually isnt.

Manna
We don't live from the "bread", the leavened dough, of man's Tree of Good and Evil knowledge.
But by "every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God".
Either in direct format where we hear  "Go out of Egypt" then we go, but all the while celebrating this Word with unleavened bread.....
OR...
The Bread itself is coming out of heaven as did manna.

But what both pictures are, are unleavened. They are pure. They have not been through man's left-brain sorting system, his filtration system, whereby only the bare bones of the chicken remain, and the MEAT, the POWER, the enabling POWER, the GRACE SUBSTANCE , the GOD SUBSTANCE, has been removed.

Leaven exercise
Here's two exercises for you to establish my meaning. One historic, one more recent.

• Acts 2

Acts 2:21 :And everyone who calls
   on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Acts 2:39 :The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

This was just ten days after the disciples had watched Jesus go up into heaven. Notice Jesus never said "Wait for ten days". He never relayed to them ....and on the day of Pentecost, you will receive the Holy Spirit in power. As far as they knew, they could have still been waiting.

So this explosive sermon of Peter's came out of his own personal restoration on the Gallilee shore. It came out of the disciples subsequent experiences seeing and learning from Jesus AFTER His resurrection. And finally it came out of his most recent experience of obeying the Lord to wait "AS ONE" for the Holy Spirit to come as promised, though they were never given a firm date....but as the crowds who had come for the annual Feast of Pentecost mingled, and the Holy Spirit had come upon the disciples, Peter was under an incredible thunderous anointing as he spoke these words. It was less of a sermon and more of a prophecy. This was Jesus-Peter addressing the new thing in the earth that had properly been born that day...

THE NEW COVENANT  ECCLESIA   CHURCH OF GOD  ON EARTH.

Nowadays, this would be a name tag on a black church outside Birmingham UK.

So now you too are a witness to verses 21 and 39 as spoken under Holy Spirit anointing. So what on earth is happening here in Joppa in Acts 10 :15 "What God has cleansed no more consider unholy."
In other words, once the immediate anointing had lifted from speaking the words Acts2 :21 and 39, Peter had slipped back into default leaven thinking.  What was the default leaven thinking?  That salvation was all about Jews.

• Ern Baxter at Kansas City Shepherd's Conference 1975 - Address Final meeting: Thy Kingdom Come.  

To hear this message all you have to do is click the message on the lefthand side panel of this blog. It is from here that we can get a good idea of what St Peter sounded like on the Day of Pentecost. I spoke with Ern on the phone in 1984 while he was staying in Dunstable with Stanley Jebb, asking his permission to use some of this message as a dramatic presentation in Emsworth. I asked him to confirm his own statement in Dales Bible week that for part of that address, Ern's feet weren't even on the ground. All the 5000 leaders present had already taken off their shoes because the worship was on another level that day in the stadium.

Now, if you are not familiar with these type of churches, visit a church that came into being on the back of the 1970's Bible Weeks. There are many throughout the world. Now compare say, how Terry Virgo of Clarendon Church Brighton is now, compared with this very message which launched these type of churches.
Much of the outer form of the doctrine is still vaguely similar, but the inner substance of God Himself, His Presence, His actual Living Word doctrine, has lifted off these churches. They are little more than a shell. Human leaven, which is actually the doctrine of demons, has long retrenched itself in the meetings and the structures.

What Ern was conveying was a living version where a Living Christ rules and reigns over His church, supernaturally raising up supernatural giftings and ministries, apostles ,prophets, pastors and teachers, together with supernatural evangelists, to build His Church. I can even now get that same whiff of excitement in the 70s magazines as we learned that apostles and prophets still existed in our day and age.

This is the present day reality induced by human leaven.
Terry Virgo thinks an apostle heads up the show.
That one apostle forms a whole load of churches, which are like Baptist churches with Baptism in the Spirit.(How do I know? because Terry came to our Renewed baptist Church in Old Town Amersham, and unlike Graham Pulkingham, who spoke much 3rd level truth and was never invited back, Terry Virgo was welcomed back with open arms.)
That he then is the responsible elder over all the  self-proliferating network.
That teachings, or the "outer forms of teachings"  can be fed through an organisation about
baptism in water
baptism in the Spirit
tithing
running meetings with a worship group followed by a Baptist sermon
home groups constructed on computers according to geographical areas
people out and about "doing witnessing"
evangelistic events  to which others are brought to hear about "these outer forms" of what people think salvation is
surrounded and buttressed by prayer meetings of various types, which are only populated by the few, because they mostly take the form of lists, and people out loud giving God extremely good reasons why their various good ideas and initiatives should surely twist the arm of God, and He be behoved to bless their endeavours.
In amongst all this, the prophetic, and the heartfelt, and further revelation gets emasculated and controlled, and firmly "submitted" under the thumb of the spiritual leaven of  "those with more experience".

BUT as Acts 10 shows, this form of "spiritual checking" fails right here......thinking according to Old leaven Patterns, the tradition of men. And Peter wasn't including in his thinking the very purpose of God: to bring in the FULNESS of the Gentiles.

Mighty Rushing Wind IS the birth of the Church and We are Fishers of Men

So, completely flattened by their own behaviour while Jesus was crucified, and even after He had warned them many times that he would be taken away from them and would be killed, Jesus visited many times in His resurrection Body. The most incredible time was probably on the beach, when He prepared breakfast. His probing love got Peter to really face the trauma of who he really was, and not his previous projected self-confident image. On one of these occasions Jesus breathed or blew upon them and they received the Holy Spirit, and from this point on were properly regenerated from within. They knew they had been born again. Notice this was some 3 years after first being called by Jesus.

So this was the Church. Sort of. They were born again individuals, forged by a common calling, and a common training in the most amazing teachings about the Kingdom, and witnesses to the most incredible signs and wonders, some at their very own hands.

But they weren't really the church yet. They were really individuals with commonality. In Tabernacle terms they had experienced the brazen altar sacrifice of Christ's sacrifice firsthand, and His own sovereign Word which had cleansed them over 3 years, similar to the Laver also in the first outer courts section of the Tabernacle.

But for an active priesthood to be activated, they needed the Priestly oil of this New order. And for that,Jesus had to first ascend to God the Father. It's the Mighty Rushing wind that forms the Church. Until we are properly anointed we don't properly function together. The Church is just a theory. A glorified synagogue.

After the Holy Spirit has come, the Anointed Head controlling and expressing Himself through every part of His Body is a reality. Not theory.

The Holy Spirit forms a church in one day. It has nothing to do with human organisation. Human training.It is power and revelation from the Living Christ ON HIGH. END - Chris Welch

WE ARE FISHERS OF MEN

by Joan Reilly on Friday, 07 October 2011 at 20:32

Jesus is the same as he was 2000 years ago.  He is the same yesterday TODAY and forever.  Two thousand years ago God sent his Son to the earth to become a man and thus he was born of God and man.  His name was called Emanuel, "God with us".  He walked the earth and grew in His Fathers grace, love and power.  He listened to His Father's voice and only did what he saw the Father do.  He showed us what it was to contain God in the body of a man.  He taught by Word and example what he heard from the Father.  He fed the poor, healed the sick and raised the dead.  Then he paid the unimaginable price for the sins of mankind by willingly taking man's place for the death penalty he/we deserved.  He was crucified,  died and was buried.  On the third day, He rose from the grave and is seated in the heavenlies at the right hand of the Father.
Back when Jesus called Peter, John and the rest of the deciples He told them they would be "fishers of men".  How could that be?  When the deciples received the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, they became "fishers of men".  On that day, they contained the risin, ascended Christ in their mortal bodies.  They became vessles of Christ, "God with us". They carried Christ incarnate exactly as Jesus.  They taught the people by Word and example.  They fed the poor and healed the sick.  They listened to their Father's voice.  They only did what they saw the Father do.
God sent the Holy Spirit to be Christ in Peter and John and the rest of the apostles that day, but he also sent Him to be Christ in His church (you and me).  This is the mystery hidden for ages and generations, but is now made manifest in the saints. (you and me)  To them (us) God chose to make known how great among us are the riches of the glory of this mystery which is "Christ in you, the hope of glory" CHRIST IN YOU!!!  There is now no separation of God and man.  He has made us ONE with His Son.
 Paul wrote to the Galatians that it was no longer he who lived, but "CHRIST IN ME", and the life I now live in the flesh I live by the faith OF the Son of God (His own faith) who loved me and gave Himself for me.    Gal. 2:20 KJ  He didn't stop there.  He went on to say..."I do not nulify the grace of God for if justification were through the law, then Christ died to no purpose".  (that sounds serious)  Why do we as the church mix law with grace?  We have nothing to "do" but walk IN Christ and listen to what the Father is saying.  We're like a bunch Marthas, all of us...so busy doing this and that and running here and there, that we don't hear God.  He's telling us what to do.
If we as individual members of the Body of Christ could slow down and hear the Father's voice, we would "rest" in his finished work and the Glory of God would cover the earth.  When that day comes, I can't imagine sickness, hunger tyrany or poverty.  He's given us all things that pertain to LIFE AND GODLINESS to be "fishers of men".

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    Rich Novek Amen, wonderful article Joan! I told you you would be writing, and I am so glad it is sooner rather than later! You have so much that He has done IN you, it just can't wait to come out! I have some other good news I learned today my friend, I will share in a private message! Bless you!

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    Joan Reilly Thank you Rich, dear friend. Coming from you this means a great deal to me.

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    Maggie Dnistran BEAUTIFUL!!!! We get the fun part....fishing for men...He gets to clean the fish! Great word, Joan!

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    Rich Novek Just read it again, and just as powerful the second time!

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Secularism,diligence and and the long scheme of things

Galations 5:22 but the fruit of the Spirit is.........self-control

In the long scheme of things secularism will be viewed as the period when man got off his religious butt and began applying diligence to the God -given surroundings he found himself in.
Like a  one-sided blip in the overall growth process of mankind finding his operation and existence in God.

Imagine a teenager nicely cradled in the love and provision of a home, suddenly realising that it isn't always going to be like this: he or she is going to actually have to learn to provide for his or her own living. And in that crisis awakening, this particular stage of learning does not require any belief or not in God.

But this is a Christian blog. How can you say this Chris?

Well there are two possibilities aren't there? Neither of which alter what you have to learn to do, which is survive.....and hopefully more than survive....become a provider. As I said, get off your butt and learn due diligence.

In the long scheme of things

 secularism will be viewed

 as the period when man

 got off his religious butt

 and began applying diligence

 to the God -given surroundings

 he found himself in.

So, on the one hand, you do all this thinking that God isn't there. But He is. and suddenly , in the crisis of wanting to lean on someone or something, you self-medicate with some addiction or other, or even a relationship. Or the sheer crisis really throws you on God for the first real time in your life. Or you have maintained a relationship with God throughout. But one way or another you have to get up and do.
If you get up and do trying to exclude God.....well , since "in Him we live and move and have our being" still remains true, and there is nowhere we can escape the reach of His love....this godless existence is somewhat of an illusion....but for an unbeliever it is real enough.

The past 200 years of Western life has been a bit like this. Somehow we have risen out of the patriarchal understanding that we are just serfs surrounded by and protected by our noble earthly lord, to where we discovered , in democracy, that, actually America has shown us that we can take our own destiny by the horns, in all areas of life....and generally....errr....corporately...GROW UP.

But the Christianity loudly proclaimed by Richard Dawkins as now totally passe, totally bypassed by our modern secular thinking, was ofcourse never  the Christianity in God's mind, when He set this whole thing up.
The truth is, apart from a few notable individuals, hardly anyone in historic Christianity, weaned themselves off a bastard Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil version of Christianity.

In reality, we have continued to defy Proverbs 3:5-6 in exactly the same way  secularly as we did before in the Tree of the Knowledge of Religious Good. We have swapped one kind of dead programming ritual for another. When what Jesus came to give us was Life. Out of our innermost being will flow rivers of abundant Life.
For that we have to entirely change not our thinking, but our mode of thinking. Our "nous" greek (as in he hasn't much nous) has to join up with God's Spirit way of thinking, meta meaning together with. Or if meta means to move out beyond the confines of our nous...that too. But either way this is the meaning of

METANOIA  or repentance.

It is not just simply a change of mind about SIN.
It is a change of mind about Life. About how we live life.

The Church in Acts 2 came with its own fully installed LIFE KIT....an" infilling or upon filling" of the Holy Spirit.
This is the earnest of our inheritance. The proof that the goods we receive at metanoia are good from the get go.   But again like teenagers experimenting with forms of "high", we don't spend the rest of our lives trying to reproduce some Holy Ghost high. And as God likes celebrations, they will often be a by product....no, we get off our butts, and apply due diligence to what God shows us in our heart to do or be a part of. This is what is meant by: Romans 8:14 For those who are (being) led by the Spirit are sons of God.

We have swapped one kind of dead programming ritual for another.

This is to live in the Melchizedek order of priesthood as commanded by our Eternal High Priest.
One part of which may involve being part of a local gorgeous expression of the Melchizedek order...or local church. However most churches live by sight and not just by faith. They are a dreadful mixture of saints still at immature stages of knowing how we live by faith. So as fast as you are proclaiming the truth that they are the Church of the Living God born from an incorruptible seed, they are not in faith, and are proclaiming it as some kind of human club or organisation that is fully grounded on a collection of human beings known after the flesh, which they see with their eyes.

Coming Into God's House by Chris Welch

First appearance as Facebook Notes Part One and Two, with an excerpt from Daniel Yordy .

In the last supper,Jesus girded Himself like a servant,bent down and made to wash Peter's feet. "No,no,no,master."Peter was horrified. Peter if you dont allow Me to do this, then you'll have no part in Me." "oh well, do all of me."
We're one day away from the Big "B" in Peter's life. "B" day. Peter , within hours, is going to experience one of the biggest "Breaks" in a psyche that any man at any time has had. He is going to be confronted with his independent self!!!!
Until then....until true Spirit definition begins to nail him in the coming days and weeks, he is much like you and me.Up one minute, down the next.Super holy, and doesn't need help.....overly zealous and religious and grovelling the next.

So the problem in entering God's House, both in our lifelong experience, or in say, some individual meeting, or coming to know Jesus in the first place, isn't a problem with
God's grace
God's protocolls
God's expectations
God's commands.
It is entirely OUR PROBLEM. We don't know who we were....before the Cross changed our identity....nor AFTER.
So it doesn't matter how God lays it out for us....
in all the books of the Bible
through all the most anointed people preaching on the Earth today
through friends who break through religious men's ceilings in order to let their beloved crippled friend down safely at the feet of Jesus.
Things JUST WONT WORK FOR US.....or let's rephrase that....some things will work some times. But here's a fantastic truth.....EVEN the failures are all taking us somewhere. Jesus life in us WILL GET US where we want to be if we just refuse to give up, and carry on believing ON HIS LIFE, and its power to get us there. This is what we mean by Grace. And what we also mean by grace, is that while God is making this life work in us....from the outset His grace is also covering us...at all times. How fantastic is that? His life in us is enough!!!!
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So as grace believers we can come into God's Presence, and continue to grow exactly as we please, because He is going to cover us. Nope. This is the SAME God that surrounded Himself with such terrifying holiness at Sinai, that the people all spoke unanimously.....we don't want any of that....it absolutely freaks us out....you go up Moses!!!! The same God.
Now in Hebrews it says we have not come to Sinai, but to Zion. So we gaily skip in then. We create a temple of our choosing. With steps. With the hoops and hoopla of our choosing.
Nope. Again nope.

We throw away the paraphernalia of the tabernacle of the OT then? And just do our thing?
Nope. Here is the secret. The earthly tabernacle never had any value in itself at all. Even when it was standing as a picture, by God coming to presence Himself within it, He was saying even then..."Even now, this is not the reality. I am the reality, and the True Tabernacle is even now in the heavenlies."

So, in the New Testament, yes we throw away the sacrificed animals and all the tent paraphernalia....to forever forget about it?...like they do in Baptist churches and Quaker meeting places, and Methodist Churches? No. Denominations are totally off their rocker here....or worse still, like the Catholics, they virtually rebuild the whole outer sequence of the Tabernacle again IN THEIR CHURCH BUILDINGS. What's that about?

Nope. Neither is accurate.
From the moment you meet Jesus in truth. You do not decide how you will enter God's house, God does. You are not the Lord. He is. You do what He says, by faith. You don't argue. You don't shout. You don't reinvent the wheel. You don't create the new Electronic pulpit Denomination. You sit down. You shutup. And gradually, as the Holy Spirit reveals to your innards....(just like David who said he meditated in God's courts....ie. it takes a while to twig)
your jaw begins to drop
and you begin to see
that little old you
are to be presented, by means of the Holy Spirit
and by following the steps of all the other saints
into a position that you can be entrusted
alongside your elder brother Jesus
with co reigning and co ruling
the very Universe!

Beats just going to church! Doesn't it?
But much more than this. As if this wasn't amazing enough.
You will learn that God chose you from the beginning, before time
to be Eternally wrapped up in
totally in love with, and receiving love from
His Bridegroom to be
JESUS.

So yes, God is particular. You bet He's particular! It's because He has to...He wants to
MAKE YOU LIKE HIMSELF, mature and lacking nothing....but IN HIM , not as some independent myth of a being,
which is the lie the devil spins.

The Old Testament Tabernacle of Moses was the cardboard cut-out model of the ETERNALLY existing NOW reality of heaven. For the latter see the book of Hebrews, for the former see Exodus 25.
Every single bit of furniture or object has a LIVING spiritual counterpart in the heavenly places and NOW in your spirit, which is the dwelling place of God if you are born again.
The other thing Moses Tabernacle is , is a photograph in time, a slow-motion play-(forward)....not playback...it was constructed before Jesus came,remember?
of Jesus death,resurrection and ascension. A microcosm of ALL that was going to be accomplished at the Cross.

So you enter the Courts of the Lord at the brazen altar. The different sacrifices here represent the different aspects of the way Jesus has dealt with you!!!!. His blood was shed to cover your sin for all time.
There were two goats to get over the two aspects of Jesus dealing with sin. The goat burned on the altar, was like Jesus offering His whole life, His last drop of blood to cover our sins.

The second goat was driven away into the desert. This is the little understood BODY DEATH of Christ.....the Bread part of the communion. We are primarily spirit, who have souls and a body. So when we bow to the Lordship of Christ, and ask for His Spirit to come in....He DOES....as OUR SOLE new identity. Like the goat, our old man...the sin spirit identity...was driven away at the Cross. Or more accurately, Jesus became our Sinspirit container, and like a rubbish bin, took our totally lost identity, our fallen identity into death with Him....and left it there at the Rubbish tip of hell. Just like the goat,driven into the wilderness, never to be seen again. Then the Holy Spirit did not leave Jesus in the grave, but resurrected Him
and more incredibly still
US in HIM
so that now our lives are hidden with Christ in God!!!!!Forever.Faith takes this as fact, and forever we are changed on our insides. Born totally new. The old HAS PASSED AWAY. Dave Bilbrough's song WAS completely accurate!!!!

THEN, WE GET WATER BAPTISED,TOTALLY IMMERSED TO CELEBRATE THE FACT
that like the Israelites through the Red Sea, who lost all their Egyptian pursuers in one swoop,
we are cut off from all the spirits of hell trying to haunt us. They have no part in us. It is true deliverance.
Now Jesus, who knew no sin, did not have the equivalent in his spiritual experience of some brazen altar. HE JUST HAD NO NEED. But interestingly He was immersed totally in the Jordan to fully represent, as NEW FEDERAL HEAD of what was about to happen. And the clarity of this is only coming now as I write.
He was stating, by His Body action, something prophetic and something new in the Earth.

All through the Old Testament, the corporate Body of God....Israel, had operated spiritually in the confines of the
OUTER COURT of redemption.....matters concerning forgiveness...and a "distant knowledge of God". Matters concerning the brazen altar, and washing in the 2nd item there, which was the laver. The laver stands for washing in the Water of His Word. It stands for the initiation and deliverance of baptism.
Baptism is us signing our signature on God's brazen altar signature....of God's Covenant. For 30 years,Jesus had lived in these corporate confines....but suddenly at 30 , he left His secular activities, receiving the ministry call on His life,He "stepped up to the plate" in Jordan , being baptised by John....

AND THIS WAS WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE SPIRIT, when Jesus was baptised in the Holy Spirit, in the very same way that you or I get baptised in the Spirit....

He was opening the DOOR for the Body of God in the Earth to the Kingdom
But now a KINGDOM of POWER
A KINGDOM in the HOLY SPIRIT
where ALL are now made priests. We are now a spiritual priesthood.
He was opening the DOOR in heaven corporately, that had never been opened since the Fall, to THE HEAVENLY HOLY PLACE. The middle area in the Tabernacle.He as the Forerunner, as the one injected into the line of Adam, in the LIKENESS of sinful flesh, yet knowing no sin,had stooped down from heaven...to this moment in Jordan

where he was taking the corporate Body of God onto a new trajectory. The LIFE of the HOLY PLACE. A life in the Holy Spirit. A life where man would manifest the supernatural powers of the age to come.

But at the Laver, before entering quite into the Holy Place, something else is true. Something that is really being spelled out in Francois Du Toit's Mirror translation of the New Testament. The Laver was a brass shiny bowl. It was highly reflective. This is important...but only if the two goats experience at the brazen altar has truly happened. When we look into the laver Mirror Word...we now nolonger see condemnation. We now nolonger see impossible demands made on us by the Law. We see Jesus in us. We are ONE spirit with Him. We are one spiritual identity with Him.
HE IS NOW THE LAW KEEPER IN US. Our task: to believe His Word. To believe ON the LAWKEEPER who indwells us.

From now on, we leave natural daylight. We receive the anointing of the Holy Spirit. Our dealings with God, functioning as priests, are uniquely by the Power of, in the flow of, in the timing of the Holy Spirit. In the Holy Place is the candlestick, representing this anointing. We see light in His Light....not in the light of our own previously humanistic understanding. Our priesthood is by this Light, not by our clever lists of drawn up agendas and schedules. We are beginning to be conformed to His full image in us. His ways of working and living in us. This is like the corporate charismatic experience the world church has now been familiar with, particularly in the last 100 years. In the next part we will continue on into God's House, also deriving clarity from a section of writing Daniel Yordy posted recently.
Part 2 is below
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The Holy Place - the most dangerous place on Earth
You'll have heard that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. The Holy Place is dangerous for this reason. We are. In the Holy Place we are armed...but still dangerous. We, ourselves are still " seeing" more than God. Give you an example:
some of the disciples were fishermen. While they were on the beach, mending their nets, or in their boats catching fish, they were not particularly dangerous. They were ordinary Jews. They knew about things like God, things like forgiveness, although unlike a modernday believer who knows he has asked Jesus into his or her life, they only later knew that "inner" knowing of Holy Spirit confirming to spirit that they were born again from the inside. This happened not in Acts 2 at Pentecost, but when Jesus "breathed His Spirit " upon them before ascending to the Father.

Having left their nets the disciples became dangerous. Living like we do after the Star Wars films were made we would say that Jesus taught them the ways of the Force. They were introduced to things like the Presence of God falling on a multitude. They were introduced to power manifestations. Of healing. Of totally unexplicable things. Miracles. For these, as forerunners of what we have experienced in the last 100 years in the charismatic movement, were being inducted into a whole corporate realm in God, that previously had been enjoyed by individuals, and rarely. Like prophets. Where you believe for things and they happen!

But if you are still seeing more than God this is dangerous. You see Jesus said quite openly and transparently, I only do what I see my Father doing. In another place, I must still work because I see my Father working still. But the disciples saw a whole lot more than what the Father was doing. Understand the word "see" in this context is an inward seeing. A set of internal thought processes that are like an operating system chuntering along underneath our conscious thought.This is where we do our "faith" seeing. But if like it says in Ezekiel 10 :8, the inner walls of our thoughtlife, our Temple life are scrawled with hateful things, with unclean things.....THIS DOES NOT MEAN our internal FAITHING mechanism, our "believe" machine will cease to operate. Now you're beginning to understand why the Holy Place experience is so dangerous.Exactly!

The disciples start to call down fire from heaven on a little village that has failed to receive them. Have you ever wondered what that meant? Maybe every where else received the Word but had offered them a cup of tea? Perhaps this village had not offered any drinks?

We do not know all the details of the offense....but Jesus neither endorses nor negates what they take offense in....what we do know is the FATHER is not pouring out any fire today....so ....seeing "more than God" falls into the territory of another spirit....a spirit from hell. Jesus was not sent to judge at this point. He was sent to preach. Whoever did not receive Him had Jesus withdraw and move on.

Having power but seeing more than God is like the sin of witchcraft. Dangerous. And sinful.
An evangelical. A denominational man. Perhaps a "burnt out" free believer, withdraws at this point. Too dangerous. Let's go back fishing.

That's not correct either.

The Purpose of the Holy Place
If it was correct the whole shape of the gospels would be more like a modernday theological seminary. A dry and waterless place where theories about an" out there God" are taught in a pretty abstract fashion. No, the things I am telling you are drawn from scripture, but are drawn also from my life experience. They are NOT dry and waterless theory. So in both what I "see" from scriptures in my innards, and what I have lived I can teach with some authority.
(But you don't have to submit to my pyramid if you don't want to.Sorry had to throw that one in. Me and pyramids don't like each other)

The HOLY PLACE is the nearest in God terms that you get to modern physics. It is a particle accelerator.
It is a WAY to the TRUTH machine. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. You can also express it in linear terms as He is the WAY to the TRUTH about you and about God; having been impacted at the base of your system,you're in a shape to now RECEIVE HIS FULNESS of LIFE in a complete 24 hour form...not just a "meeting" form.

The overall GOAL

Misconceptions

Denominational religion and especially Catholic religion has so confused the world as to what coming into God's House is for.It's made such a big thing of the Chasm between mortal humanity and a Transcendent God, that in this mindset, it has filled its church buildings with"Tabernacle reheated" paraphernalia. It's tried to yank Jewish Tabernacle furniture into a New Covenant context, but behaving in a Jewish Old Testament way...except the Jews had the actual Cloud and Pillar of Fire realities of God...oh.....and tons of sheeps and bulls.... Catholics say they have the "reality" of Christ in the "Transubstantiation" of the Bread and the wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus....but you only have true believers word for this. By far the majority of Catholics have no knowledge of being born again and baptised in the Spirit. The realities of which the Catholic structure speaks are not realities for the average Catholic.
So denominational religion leaves us with the idea that a select few go into the inner inner sanctums to fellowship there with the UNKNOWABLE GOD.

What the Tabernacle is really

Denominations haven't a clue that the Tabernacle is about you. God doesn't need a Tabernacle. He is Light. He is Life.He is joy. He is Love. He also doesn't need a house for you to approach Him. He needs a tabernacle for YOU to fuse with Him. For you to become like Him. So that YOU know that you know that you know (3 times for the 3 sections) that you have LIFE in HIM...and that you'll never LOSE it...oh....and that you know how to operate in it...

AS He is .....so are we in the world.

Jesus is the firstborn.........of many brethren. He though being divine, and for the joy set before Him, of having an innumerable company just like Him, operating just like Him,
spoke an eternal yes to the Father's intent when He said
Today I have begotten you.

What does begotten mean for an Eternal Person of the Trinity that has always existed. It means He has delightedly said yes to being BEGOTTEN in another format, forever. Human. Flesh and blood. Though for a while made lower than the angels....this format would change in the manner of the acacia box in the Holiest Place. Acacia is pretty ordinary looking like our humanity.
It is also a BOX. A container.
A container for God. God's glory.
Gold glory on the inside. Gold glory on the outside.

So all the time, these stupid church buildings ermmmm....built for the "glory of God"
WERE ABOUT YOU
being like HIM. Bone of His bone.Flesh of His flesh.

Yes, the holy place is dangerous....but is also the quickest,slickest means of getting God's life in you fully operational in.....well it took the disciples 3 years. Because we're coming out of a time in the 60s where Bishops were announcing the Death of God, it's taken us decades to retrace all the steps, and clear away the weeds
and do what our generation was called to

build a highway in the desert.
Raise up the former devastations....
enlarge the border of your tents......what? Beyond the charismatic movement? What could possibly be beyond that?Surely we'll fall off the edge of the known world. This way tharre be drrrragons!!!Arrrr!

It seems so stupid now that we thought Benny Hinn stadium meetings were the edge of God's purposes this side of eternity.There are still people on the earth that are convinced "the Land" is over the Jordan of Death.
That the Feast of Tabernacles sole fulfilment is some "marriage supper of the Lamb" in some future glory.

So running side by side are the two heavenly pictures for us, both for us corporately and individually.
The three places in the Tabernacle
The three Jewish Feasts of Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles. Now these feasts are all about the stages of harvest. Or what Ezekiel calls "wheels within wheels". You see one person's , or one corporate move's Tabernacles is going to be another's "entry point" or Passover and Pentecost. I puzzled over this for years. The clue is this.
Acts 2 was Pentecost for the 3000.....but for the apostles, who called themselves forerunners....it was their Tabernacles. One of the things that happens in Tabernacles is the Feast of Ingathering. More corn coming in. More harvest . More people.

On the one hand it is good to have evangelists preaching in and out of season. They are built that way....and they impart that spirit to the whole Body of Christ.It is a ministry gift anointing that resembles the huge arm of a combine harvester. "In you come folks". Deluge , deluge.....

On the other hand they are like headless chickens running around with this chip on their shoulders that nobody is helping them. Absolutely unaware...blissfully unaware...that the Lord of the harvest has everything in hand...and if they'd only teach the actual gospel a bit more
then all the harvest cycles would actually happen
the Kingdom leaven would spread in a seamless flow
and people would actually look a bit more saved in their lives than they do in our church, where half are on medication for depression, the other half are desperately sick. The overseeing pastor was clobbered in his knee as he was getting into a car...someone drove off too soon....and he goes to Bill Johnson's church to learn more about healing, and half loses the sight in one eye.

Saints...there's more to life than charismatic bubbletown living...like little Eden Project bubbles all over the world...cut off from normal life....and frankly walking a bit weirdly.....sort of charismatically. Until you've been out a few years, for me it was 10....you won't have a clue what Im talking about....for you it's still all great.
Stopping at charismaticville, or the Holy Place is the most dangerous place in the world.

A person will say to Jesus " Look, I did all these things in your name. i prophesied in your name."
Jesus will look Him straight in the eye and say
I never KNEW you
I never FUSED with you
I never Altar of INCENSED you to bring you into a permanent version of what you only knew in an external way in the charismatic movement
I tried to reach you from outside of your Eden Project Charismatic bubble, but you weren't having it,you never came out to join me
So sadly I say, Depart from me you unbeliever.
Whatddya mean unbeliever....I'm a man of faith....signs are following me everywhere
The One SIGN I asked you to believe for, you never believed
What sign?
That you would be a SIGN of my indwelling Life...Me fused as you.The Father at home in Me, now both at home in my Spirit in you.
Seek first the Kingdom of God and My Righteousness...Me living as you
and ALL these things.......

Daniel Yordy describes our passage through the Feasts this way:

The central word of the first feast, Passover, in its fulfillment in the life of the church, is grace. The central word of the second feast, Pentecost, is power. The central word of the third feast, Tabernacles, is authority.
Grace is the Greek word, charis, which means gift. Grace is God Himself present with us as our life as a gift to us. The blessing of the beginning of the Christian life is that God is now with us, we are no longer alone.
But the presence of God with us was knowledge only. We did not know that God impacted the physical world. Therefore we put everything off to a someday "heaven."
Then God brought us into the experience of Pentecost and we received power. The purpose of power is to be a witness of Christ. That is to show by demonstration that God Himself is present in the human, physical experience. We experienced the Bible becoming a new book to us, we saw miracles take place in physical bodies; we experienced supernatural provision and guidance - all means of God present with us more than just as an idea, but in outward demonstration of reality.
But both the knowledge that God is with us and the experience that He is with is in power all came to us as immature believers who did not know what God is doing. We knew that He is taking us on and up, but too many re-defined that upward call to mean "going to heaven" after physical death.
In the first feast, we lived in the outer court of the temple. We talked often about the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross - the brazen altar, and we pursued 'Bible study' - the brazen laver. When we heard there was more, we pressed on forward to enter into the Holy Place.
In the second feast, we lived in the Holy Place. We enjoyed the bread of truth, that is, the Bible as a living word; we walked in the light of the Spirit of God in ways we had not known in the outer court. But we heard there was more, so we pressed forward to the altar of incense, desiring to be consumed by its flame that we might rise up and enter into the Holy of Holies.
In moving out of the outer court into the Holy Place, we left many of our brethren behind who were quite content with the outer court and had no desire for anything more from God in this life. In moving towards the altar of incense, we left many of our brethren behind who were quite content with the Holy Place, with the bread and the light, the provision and the joy, and had no desire for anything more from God in this life.
But the altar of incense itself can be a place that many choose to set up their dwelling place, convinced that the entrance into all the fullness of God revealed in us will not actually happen in this life and on this earth. They are content to wait until their physical bodies perish and go into the grave before they enter into the Holy of Holies.
The third feast is entirely different.
In the first feast, God with us was a nice idea, but kept in a distant sort of way, back then, up there, some day. In the second feast, God with us became much more relevant and real to our daily life. But still, we were one and God was another. We saw ourselves separate from God, and we saw 'God with us' in only a limited way.
To enter the third feast, to enter the Holy of Holies, we must become the smoke of the incense, that is, we must disappear into God. To enter the third feast, we let go of any claim to a 'self' identity , to being some person, separate from God's person. We now see that we are one spirit with the Lord, that He carries every part of ourselves inside Himself and that He lives in every part of us, right now, as we are in this world.
But in entering the third feast, we do not 'leave behind' any part of the first or second feasts. Rather, those things pertaining to those two feasts, the elements of our salvation and the power of the Holy Ghost, are raised into a closeness and personal-ness beyond what we ever understood before.
Here is what is different about living in the third feast.
We are no longer going forward into God. Rather, we are seated upon the mercy seat, the throne of God, and we are looking out towards His creation, seeing now with His perspective, seeing all things as He sees them. God with us has swallowed us up completely and now it has become that we are with God. Now we are caught in the passion and power of His determination. He moves through us to prove His will in the earth.

The rest of the article describes what we are moving into authority for....to speak the Word and address the last Enemies. http://www.dyordy.com/Archives/AndTheyShallNourishHerThere.html
Related to this is the series we have both contributed to describing our Psalm 24 mandate to speak to the Ancient Doors
http://080808onnowto.blogspot.com/2010/09/recent-history-of-psalm-24-part-1-first.html