Showing posts with label Joan Reilly. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Joan Reilly. Show all posts

Friday, 15 August 2014

From Sacred Cows to the Prison Gate. In conversation.

Rich Novek
9 August near Weatherford, TX, United States · Edited


I have been spending the last few weeks exposing the much loved sacred cows of the modern day church. The sacred cows being the "self-preserving" other gods the people of God are relying on today...IN addition to Christ IN them as their only Life.

And so today, while exposing one of the most well known and sought after false teachers of our day, I discovered firsthand what I believe may be the most sacred of all the sacred cows out there today, that being the "so called" Christian leaders who, for whatever reason refuse to lose their own life so they can gain the "losing to gain" message of the Cross as their only Life. And though they may not know it, until they become willing participants IN the fellowship of His sufferings, they will NEVER know what it is to experience the life transforming POWER of His resurrection!

What is more, I consider EVERYTHING A LOSS because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I HAVE LOST ALL THINGS. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ. Philippians 3:8
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Joan Reilly I believe it's time church pastors, teachers and leaders of every description have a responsibility to get on their faces before God and ask what is wrong that up until now the church has had no effect on the political, economic, and spiritual deprivation of the world. Churches are starving for leadership who themselves know what it means to be dead, buried and resurrected with Christ so that the Life of Christ may be manifested in them. Faith (His Faith) comes by hearing and hearing comes by the Word (made flesh) of God. Leaders hear what the Spirit of Christ is saying. Grow up in Christ so that you can lead your sheep to that same Life. You cannot give what you have not received.
Something to Persecute?  by Rich Novek

As a young man who cut his spiritual teeth on men like A.W. Tozer, Watchman Nee, Andrew Murray, and David Wilkerson, I used to look around the churches I attended and wonder... "why isn't the church being persecuted?"

It was only many years later, after having waded through (and come out the other side) the performance based lie that most believe to be the Gospel today, that I realized there is no persecution because there is really NOTHING IN the church to persecute.

Go back to the time when Jesus read the scroll of Isaiah IN the temple after returning from His 40 day trip into the wilderness, and everyone was in awe of Him... "good teacher and wonderful Rabbi", that is until they heard the one thing they didn't want to hear. Then it went from "good teacher and wonderful Rabbi" to all of them wanting to throw Him over a cliff!

And so today the Christian church goes on, and as long as you don't come against the leadership and the DIFFERENT gospel they promote then all is well within the confines of the local temple, just as they were on the day Jesus read Isaiah. That is, until you begin to expose the false shepherds for the wolves that they really are. That is until you begin to see God IN a whole different "narrow path" light than how the status quo leadership sees Him. And especially until you begin to see and expose the illusion of the separate, impersonal, and punishing God up there by proclaiming the One True God who lives IN you and as you and loves you as you are today with no performance based strings attached. And it's this God of ALL Grace who you know will settle for nothing less than your whole heart, who you NOW see living His own Life IN and through you, IN the exact same way Jesus saw His Father living through Him!

Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but YOU DO NOT BELIEVE. The works I do IN my Father’s name testify about me, but YOU DO NOT BELIEVE because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I KNOW THEM, AND THEY FOLLOW ME. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE.” Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” John 10:25-33

So as it stands today, unless today's "so called" spiritual leaders forsake every TWO MASTER lie they are serving today, they can expect their dead letter assemblies to continue on as they have for generations, as no REAL threat to anyone or anything, especially the powers of darkness that have them deceived into believing as they do today.

Today RELEASE what you keep calling your own, no matter what it is, and then REST IN His unconditional Love. Then simply wait to RECEIVE the revelation of the "losing to gain" message of the Cross as your only Life, IN the same way that so many who have gone before us were willing to pay the ultimate price to KNOW Him even as they are known by Him.

Only then, when God rolls death IN on EVERYTHING you still see as your own life apart from the Christ you claim to love with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, will you witness firsthand...that REAL persecution is still very much alive and well within today's body of Christ! And it's still coming from the same place it always has, the ones who are still see a life other than Christ alone as their only Life!



MY ADDITIONS TO Rich Novek
Something to Persecute?
by Chris Welch

As a young man who cut his spiritual teeth on men like A.W. Tozer, Watchman Nee, Andrew Murray, and David Wilkerson, I used to look around the churches I attended and wonder... "why isn't the church being persecuted?"


Chris adds.....yes I couldn't get my head round it. We were one of the first of the UK mainline churches to become Spiritfilled from 1967.....yet...although in relative terms there was persecution......turning Amersham upside down we were not. Secondly I was immediately aware that something was different in the "so called Spiritfilled gospel" to the one in the Bible. I'd worked that out at 13.....I just couldn't articulate what the missing layer was until I was 31 and by then I had read Norman Grubbs Yes I Am. Well I am now the calendar says 56....and so we're not talking SWIFT revelation here....but I am convinced that ONLY the Biblical gospel produces the ructions that the apostles caused. We are familiar with certain well known Christian ministries....and they really have been used by God to advance things.....but so far Bill Johnson Che Ahn David Yongghi Cho, Andrew Farley,Joseph Prince are absolutely unknown in the world's jails. They don't threaten anything anywhere anytime. They are free to preach their messages of Grace or semi Grace and pressure....wherever and whenever they want. Not one of them knows or teaches the three level gospel of 1 John 2. They can go to their graves teaching toddlers and young apprentices in the Lord some of the Hebrews6 foundations.....but ultimately the devil could hardly care less. In fact he quite likes the revenue Christians pour into his domain weekly since he rules and reigns over satellite media. But no Joyce Meyers is going to ruffle a feather....because not one of them is doing the work of early apostles and giving birth to the Christ Manchild in revelation 12. Christ crucified and being transferred and imparted to Father level just isn't happening!!! This is the realm covered by Norman's book Yes I am.....and is precisely what my Spirit filled pastor in 1972 WAS NOT SAYING.


some more on the last few GATES
Jesus said if we go into our inner room to meet with the Father the things spoken in secret shall (further down) be shouted from the rooftops. Well in our current time of restoring the ruins of desolation the actual message is become the thing spoken in secret and now to be broadcast from the rooftops. It's like the days of Nehemiah when the work to be done was actually the work to be done. See once the city is built the work to be done is something different....but at the moment we are still doing an archaeological dig on the New Covenant message itself.....so few 'get it'. The thing Nehemiah did was to rebuild all the gates and midsection walls in between and this is what our generation has been doing as was prophesied thousands of years ago in psalm 24 and 110 and other prophets. Restorer of the breach. What breach? The wacking great gap in the gospel which before our generation had been reduced to Anglicans asking forgiveness then going out and shaking Oxfam and Christian Aid tins. But as you know I believe we have come to Gate number 10 Miphkad. It's like a trumpet call going out worldwide. It's a mature version of what Jimmy and Carol Owens were doing a generation back with Come Together. Except the Jesus Movement was a 2 layer gospel....it was 1 John 2....children and young men....but nobody knew there was a third level in addition. They had forgotten some of the Gates. Or regarded them as mere religion. So in our day there was no Old Gate. No Dung Gate. No Valley Gate. David Wilkerson was doing his best to bring them in....but he was scarce heard. Now like in Nehemiah 8 there is a gathering in the square. A calling to account. These are the days Smith Wigglesworth prophesied about of a people of Spirit and Truth. We can't have John Piper or others dismissing the work of the Spirit as Kundilini spirits but we can't have Bill Johnson being ignorant of anything beyond Romans 5 and just preaching Holy Spirit anointing. There are more Gates than the Fountain Gate and the Water Gate. And so this is the initial purpose of the Gate of Miphkad.....the judgment or tallying or census Gate. It's checking that all is present and correct before we go into hyperdrive. What's hyperdrive. Well it was the two winds prophecy of the 80s. If we don't bend our heads into the first wind we won't be part of the second Kingdom wind. Hyperdrive is Gate 11....the Gate of Ephraim....the double portion....whose prototypes were given to the Body as a trailer of the film to come....in the form of John G Lake and Uks Smith Wigglesworth and of course a ton of others. Gate 12 is as a result of Gate 11. Gate 12 is called the Prison Gate and is that Gate of intercession martyrdom which begins the whole cycle again bringing in more Sheep and Fish....the first 2 gates.....and so we go round again until the earth is filled with people who have discovered Jesus, the All in All.

Friday, 8 August 2014

I have something to boast about by Joan Reilly

I HAVE SOMETHING TO BOAST ABOUT
I have been thinking about my weaknesses. These are the things about myself I'd rather you did not see; the things that make me vulnerable in the eyes of my friends and family. I want to look secure, capable, accomplished, self assured and even strong. My weakness brings me shame and insecurity and makes me want to pull the covers over my head. But what I have found is that the very weakness that makes me want to hide is the exact thing my friends and family can identify with. My weakness is the thing that has now finally made me open and laid bare before God and man. My weakness is the thing God uses to bring me closer to my loved ones because even if they can't yet bear their own, they know they are not alone in theirs. What's more, and this is the kicker, as uncomfortable as it feels, I believe hiding our weaknesses behind the mask of self-assurance is depriving our fellow man of that very gift of God. It is another way of hanging onto our own lives. It is another example of self-preservation and it is something Jesus did not nor does not do in us.
What a wonderful gift of God to have loved ones who love me not in spite of my weaknesses but because of them. I have that! I wish that for everyone!
I now know what Paul meant when he said "if I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness". 2 Cor 11:30
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Rich Novek Hallelujah and Amen, this is where we can see it really is for FREEDOM we were made FREE, isn't it? I mean if we aren't hiding our weaknesses anymore, then how can we not know true FREEDOM?
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Joan Reilly I hadn't thought of that, but it's so true. Free indeed!
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Rich Novek It may not look like REAL freedom or feel like REAL freedom, but living by the Faith of Christ assures us that we NOW have EVERYTHING we need today including REAL FREEDOM! But we don't have it by a human limited form of faith, but the only REAL Faith that exists today, that being His own living and active Faith...IN and through and as us for others.
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Joan Reilly AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Chris comments : isn't it just great to come home to your friends writing cool stuff like this on Facebook????#!!!!

Saturday, 7 June 2014

Covenant in Process.....

Joan Reilly wrote this week

My son, Patrick is home from the hospital and out of danger of losing his life. I'm thanking God that I/we still have him to be the blessing in my/our life/lives that he is. Thank all of you who prayed for him from the bottom of my heart.

Covenant in Process....All In Christ the Head

I don't think he will mind me sharing this, but back in February and March Patrick was inspired to lose weight and began a diet of just juicing with vegetables and some fruits. He had done quite a lot of research on the subject of juicing and felt this was a healthy way to lose weight and get into better shape. He was very faithful in his endeavor and he stuck with just juice for over forty days. At this same time, he quit smoking and was on his way to the healthiest he's been in his nearly 38 years. He lost 40 pounds and looked and felt great. He told us he had never felt so energetic, alert and fit. He slowly began adding (mostly) healthy food back into his diet and kept pretty much on the straight and narrow.


About three weeks ago, he began feeling terrible. Gradually, daily he began to decline. I being the over- mother that I am, began urging him to see his doctor. You know how mothers are. He would say "I'll be alright" as we all so often think we are. My dear friends and ministry partners, Rich and Linda and I pray together most every night. This has been our practice for over two years. Of course we've been praying for Patrick recently because he wasn't feeling well. As the days progressed it became apparent to me that he was in trouble. When I mentioned this to Rich and Linda they kept urging me to see to it that he gets checked out. I said, Patrick something drastic is happening to you. I treaded lightly because I didn't want to overstep but I was worried...very worried but didn't know what more to say. Finally, Linda said just tell him to please "do it for me" which was exactly the key words that moved my sweet son to get checked out. You see, my son would do anything for me. The next day we went to the emergency room where tests were run as we waited nine hours for him to be admitted. It was discovered that his kidneys had failed completely. He began being treated immediately. He was hospitalized for nine days where many more tests were performed and where he had five dialysis treatments. He had excellent medical care. After all was said and done, the doctors told my son that had he waited a day or two more, he would not have made it. The toxins, fluids and poisons in his blood would have overtaken his body beyond the point of no return.

Here's my point in writing other than to thank you for your wonderful prayers and to publicly thank God for my son.
I thank God for using Linda to speak those words of urgency which I repeated verbatim. I attribute God using Linda to sustain and even save the life of my son.

I thank God for His idea of putting Rich, Linda and me together in a covenant by his very own hand. This is the not forsaking the assembling together, having no need and all things in common. This is what we call Church. I believe I have my son because of His Church! God bless you all.

As I write this, my precious friend, Linda is undergoing her first dialysis. I and her other covenant partner, her wonderful husband continue to lift her up to the Lord to sustain and even save her life. Praise His wonderful Name.

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Jinny Hofer So happy for you and Patrick. Answered prayers for sure. He's healed because of Jesus and the Father love him. And you too Linda, just because He loves you you are healed!!!! Is a finished work
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Joan Reilly Amen Jinny.
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Heidi Marshall Oh Joan, this is such a heartfelt testimony to our Lord Jesus.
I am so blessed to have been able to share a part and have been touched by your tiny church so deeply in my own life too.
God gave us mothers that instinct that so drives our kids nuts! Yet, we cannot help it, it's a real as our hearts that beat. I thank God that you still have your son. I thank God that Rich "IN" Christ! Church saved my life.
I thank God that Linda is finally on dialysis too and the water weight is leaving her body along with all the toxins and poisons.
I thank God for the 'no condemnation' message that I received from The Lord using Rich, Linda & yourself. It is that message that finally has me walking in step with The Real Gospel and feeling and receiving the true Grace of God.
I pray and dream of the day we can all meet and worship together ... it is a very deep longing I have in my soul.
Sometimes the paths you walk seem barren, as though nobody is listening to Rich, yourself and Linda, yet someone is. A small nobody here in England, for some crazy reason, only He knows, I didn't commit suicide because of your tiny church across the Atlantic.
Size, distance & time are nothing to God.
You, my dear sister, are one of my most beautiful blessings, yet I have never heard your voice.
I love you
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Joan Reilly Oh Heidi, you have no idea how this blesses my heart. Since we've known you we have been so encouraged by your own testimony. How I can identify with you how God used Rich Novek to save my life too. That's why I wanted to to be part of his ministry. It has become my life's calling to see others "hear" the true Gospel as God reveals it through Rich. I'm so glad you have shared your heart as you confirm that God put me here for a reason and if I never received another testimony such as yours, this is more than enough to fulfill His faithfulness in my heart. I know for a fact that Rich and Linda feel exactly the same way. God bless you my friend. Yes, we will meet at some point and won't it be glorious! Love you dear friend!
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Rich Novek Wow, Joanie you once asked me, "Rich, if I am the only one who ever receives what it is you are saying, will that be enough?"

And all I could think about at that time was all the broken dreams and lost opportunities, all the years of being thrown up on God's shelf and passed over, the years of not seeing my 5 kids, the struggle with all the addictions that are common to men, the 11 years of striving for the 4 college degrees that I would never use, and the 20 miserable years I spent behind the wheel of a truck longing for the REAL God of ALL Grace one minute and hating Him the next! And on top of all of it, watching all that I thought He promised me come to nothing over a period of 30 plus years. And that doesn't include my illnesses and injuries that devastated me physically and financially over the past 10 plus years, or all that Linda has gone through as we watched God pull us butt first through the eye of the needle!

If I remember right my answer at that time was "I don't know." But after reading this dialogue between you and Heidi and knowing who both of you beautiful ladies are as I do, I would NOW have to say a resounding "YES" to that same question if you were to ask me today! And the reason why? Without you here there would be no book that Heidi could have reached for on that day! And without you, who God has used to save me and Linda IN more ways than we can imagine, this message of FREEDOM would not have had the chance to end up IN England for precious Heidi and her daughter!

God said IN Zechariah He searched for just One to stand IN the gap, and there is not one person on this planet that could ever convince me that One was not Christ IN the Joan Reilly form, and that because of the revelation of Christ as her IN her weakness, is the most selfless, loving, and giving person I have EVER known!

And YES Heidi, mark my words, we will see you face to face at some point and what a day of rejoicing that will be!
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Joan Reilly WOW! I'm speechless!
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Linda Novek Congratulation, Patrick! I'm home too....feeling good also! This is just the beginning of feeling better for us both. God is IN this my brother from another mother! I will continue to pray for you! Love you.....
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Betty Lorine Schwabedissen Reading through this whole communication from all of my Sisters and Brothers In Christ has made my day like none other for a long time! I was crying and Praising Father God all through all the stories and responses and feel like I KNOW you all as we are ONE IN CHRIST! This small group of Temples that Father has put in my path here on Gracebook has been my church for the last several months NOW and I feel so apart of each one of You as we are Part of ONE ANOTHER IN CHRIST JESUS our Lord who lives and abides in each one of us! lOVE YOU ALL AND PRAY FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES EVERY NIGHT WITH MY PRAYER PARTNER...MY TWIN SISTER JEAN MEPPEN...WE ARE ONE IN FLESH AND SPIRIT AND FATHER GOD HEARS OUR PRAYER REQUESTS FOR ALL OF YOU THROUGH THE SPIRIT THAT LIVES IN US...CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF...AMEN & AMEN
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Rich Novek Awww, we love you too Betty and Jean. God be praised for bringing us all together as His body, so He can live, move, and have His being IN us by His amazing Grace!

Tuesday, 20 May 2014

No excuse. No escape. By Joan Reilly

There is no excuse! There is no escape!

When I finally heard the real message of the Cross, losing to gain, dying to live in my weakness and inability to do anything apart from Him, I was set free indeed. That was four years ago right here on Facebook when I found Rich Novek on my list of friends. I had 19 people on that list and the only one I wasn't familiar with was Rich. Being new to Facebook, I thought it was a dangerous place out here in this great big world wide web, and nearly deleted him as a possible axe murderer. Wasn't everybody? My mother told me never talk to strangers and Rich was definitely a stranger. That delete button was a serious consideration until I began seeing articles he was writing about losing my life to gain Only Christ as my "real" and "entire" Life. Over the many years of trying and failing to live the Christian life I had pretty much given up in utter exhaustion. I had enough church experience to know that I was a complete and total failure in the eyes of an angry God. As hard as I tried to get "closer to God" by trying to spend quality time, being in the word and tithing and watching the world crumble around my feet, the only thing I could look to was the day He would "rapture" me out of this dreadful hopeless place. That's when Rich's writing began showing me my true identity. I began to see my utter failure and weakness as the very place my Heavenly Father would show up in His fulness. Once God began to raise His Hope, Faith and Life In me, it became my life's quest to see the Words God was writing through Rich available to others. That's when I asked if I could be a part of his "Rich IN Christ" ministry.

It is clear that God has placed on Rich's heart a message Who's time has come. The Church/Body of Christ must "hear" what the Spirit of God is saying and has been saying for the ages, which is the mystery hidden for generations, Christ In you, the hope of glory. I don't think it's too far fetched to recognize this message has fallen on the heart of this one (and perhaps a very few others) saint as one crying in the wilderness. Behold the Kingdom of God is at hand. Old things (sin, separation, condemnation) have passed away and all things "are" become new (Christ's Living In and Through His people) by the Faith of the Son of God. For this Truth, Way and Life, there is no room for any law to exist as something we still must adhere to. Yes, he wants one hundred percent of our hearts. He wants

EVERYTHING we have and everything we think belongs to us.

The tithe? Replaced with "Freely we have been given, freely we give." The rapture? Perhaps. But for now, we contain the Son. "I came that they may have Life (My Life) and Life Abundant".

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 2 Corinthians 5:18

Friday, 16 May 2014

The False fulcrum on which our churches balance



RICH NOVEK   So What Flows?

So many of today's "so called" spiritual leaders walk as a house divided against themselves because they refuse to let Christ alone be their ALL sufficiency IN every situation they face!

This is why the leaders who are thought to be mature can have their REAL maturity tested at any time just by letting God touch what is really at the center of their life, that being what flows out from their belly (center).

For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are ENEMIES OF THE CROSS of Christ, whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite (belly), and whose glory (center) is IN their shame, who set their minds on earthly things. Philippians 3:18-19

The only litmus test for REAL Christian maturity is found IN the personal "losing to gain" message of the Cross, anything else is just earthly minded performance based religion, no matter what powerless form it may take!

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A sister writes:"The law was fulfilled in Jesus, it was not done away with. There is a huge difference and one which is not being properly taught today."



CHRIS WRITES
No No. The Word and the Spirit always take the Church higher and higher, and Jesus opened the door with all His Father's care teaching, plus the dynamic spiritual principle of GIVE and it shall be given you.
All previous forms of priesthood were nailed to the Cross. There is absolutely no tithe now. WE ARE THE PRIESTHOOD. We GIVE FIRST and FOREMOST to the household of faith and none more than those LIVING and MINISTERING BY FAITH. Psalm 110 shows if we want to walk in POWER we have to give voluntarily. The threefold fragile crucible of the relationship of full and part time ministry, the hearers/Body, and the Holy Spirit who direct all sons of God, are the flimsy weak vessel which hold the very POWER of GOD ALMIGHTY. It is the "good idea of man and accountants" to construct systems and New Carts like King David, so we don't need God.
All the old Testament picture forms of Levites, of walking 6 steps then sacrificing, of the 10th,.....are now dead in the water because everybody now knows the Lord from the least to the greatest, and because of the dynamic which is truly supernatural of give and it shall be given unto you. Every naysayer at this point mentioning that nobody is like that must remember that in the 50s nobody was baptised in the Spirit either , only an obscure bunch called Pentecostals. In other words if we preach the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31 we will GET the New Covenant of Jesus....if we carry on preaching Judaism that's what we get in our churches and no power, no revival, not many born again,dreadfully immature saints, and lots and lots of endless moneyproblems, building problems, pastors committing adultery because they are bored and effectively stealing God's own money from the saints. All God's money has a direct purpose. If you pastor, then you transfer the life of Jesus as quick as you can like St Paul, then hear what the Holy Spirit says next. All this endless "leaven of the Pharisees" coming from endlessly recycled manna and Bread from the 60s , 70s and 80s...instead of following the I AM GOD, who is speaking NOW...has to stop.
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CHRIS WELCH - ADDENDUM
I read Jack Fortenberry's book Corinthian elders and was impacted...but today as I read Joan Reilly's words I felt the most searing anger about the robbing of saints, and true ministries such as Elaine and George. I have never felt such disgust from God's Spirit for tithing....that it locks up God's own money that He demands is used for orphans widows, sick, prisoner's familes,people who genuinely minister living as the "real" household of faith, and doing precisely what the Holy Spirit tells them. Countless multitudes are not HEARING the gospel...there is no money to send workers to them....nor are being impressed by the gospel, because God's people are unable to shower outsiders with unconditional love gifts and supply...because false ministers who preach backward, lame, leavened gospels are stealing it from those God has designated it for.

JOAN REILLY 3 COMMENTS:
People like Elaine have given everything. She is as rare as hen's teeth. She has to beg, borrow and steal (not really steal lol) for the work that God has laid on her heart. She lives with the people God has placed in and on her heart. She gives up a life of ease and comfort to live in a manner most people would run for their lives from. She does all this out of the heart of the Father. She calls her Father Dad. She knows Him as her Dad. I hope to know Him that way too. I want to see her Dad provide for her needs and the needs of the ones He loves through her in such a way she will not be able to contain it. I want our Dad to prove His Word in and through her and people like Rich and Linda Novek who have literally laid down their lives for their friends in sharing the Real Gospel.
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Joan Reilly :Chris Welch is another I want to see unable to contain God's blessing. You speak an unpopular Truth and pay a heavy price. It's not an easy walk you have been given to walk, but it's Life to those who find it. For those who think you are angry or un nice, may God finally give them "ears" to hear what the Spirit of Christ In you is saying.
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Joan Reilly :The Household of Faith in the fellowship of His suffering. May God prosper ministries that are willing to suffer for His sake. May the Faith of the Son of God be pleasing to the Father according to  His 
Word. Let us expect the evidence of His pleasure.  


EXCELLENT TEACHING ON TITHING BY BERTIE BRITS

:Excellent excerpt from Corinthian Elders by Jack Fortenberry showing how life could be

Thursday, 19 September 2013

From the Macro to the Close to Home - Conversation

Some of us have been talking around the subjects of what happens in family breakdowns,how do you relate to hurting offspring.
Also covered are some thoughts on Unity, and how God is in everything even the very painful.How God commands Light to shine out of Darkness (Facebook conversations)
Cathy Rheeder
Hello all. I am arrested in 2 Corinthians 4:6, For God, who commanded the light to shine 0UT 0F DARKNESS ( ignorance, sickness,etc) has shone in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory(love) of God in the face of Jesus Christ. Yes HIDDEN in CHRIST( the anointing rubbed into us), yet not I, but CHRIST. For God, who commanded ( Rom 4:17b, 5:17b, Eph 5:1,) the light to shine 0UT of DARKNESS ( what breakthrough are u longing for? U are the LIGHT of the world, command it 0UT!) In the face of JESUS CHRIST. 1 Cor 6:17, He that is joined, united to the Lord is 0NE SPIRIT. 0NEderFUL. Love u all.

Chris Welch


Cathy...I am too arrested by this verse 2 Cor 4:6 as you share it. God commands the Light to shine OUT OF DARKNESS Then...our hearts which were Darkness...He commands a Light shine there in the midst of Darkness It's a miracle We can't do it It is the KNOWLEDGE....a revelation knowledge Of the GLORY of GOD....but in the FACE of Jesus Christ.
In view of what Ian has been saying about SEEING In view of the Spirit tradition which I come from which is SEEING THE GLORY OF GOD in worship and adoration where many laughed at us because we didn't have massive teaching like say in the Move where Daniel was... But THERE WAS AN internal SEEING which broke the yoke And there was a compensatory or should I say resulting LOVE which oozed in these Spanish and Argentinian congregations. People would worship sometimes for hours and time was irrelevant.
In actual fact it is BOTH the Spirit AND the Word, but can you see how the Revelation principle of "they worshipped....then Jesus broke the seals on the scroll and opened them."
The worship opens our inner digestion system...it opens our spiritual gut for the scroll to be opened to us.
Just some thoughts Cathy








  • Chris Welch

    Lord we command again the Light to shine OUT of Darkness in Joan's boys in Corey (Philip Owen Morris's stepson) in Annalise's son! Amen
















  • Annalize Mouton

    And husband, daughter, daughter-in-grace, eldest son and granddaughter!!!!! Thank you, Lord.










  • Chris Welch

    I am listening to the 1st half hour of Terry's The Burden of the Lord 2. Now some of what he is saying is how we want to build 3 tabernacles around the start of an unfolding vision...
    To me in my little piano tuner to the Body of Christ role, I still cant help thinking we can have people lay this out forever....this is the tenor of many of our meetings with Ian mcCulloch. He was a great leader. But he still chucked me out.
    Now our rebellion is 1 Corinthians 12 We say and continue to say Because you are not a hand..... an eye a foot I have no need of you.
    But precisely here St paul says is how the Body is built There's an awe resident in creations of God that are us. This is what we find so hard to take. If I am a such and such...say a pastor....I'll have a tendency NOT to accept the sheer AWE of the Lord embedded in a prophet. If I am a prophet....I'll have an aversion perhaps to the intricate mundane gloryings of daily life which concern people, and administration that is a pastor's role....I will fundamentally MISS the very Glory of God in the every day. Why do you think God has had me doing really really mundane stuff.
    In other words as we dedicate ourselves as the Body of Christ to stand at the gate of meeting IN BETWEEN the reactions pulls tensions and gloryings of 12 TOTALLY DIFFERENT TRIBES
    In that place will be a glory that is some COMPLETE ABBREVIATION of CHRIST in the Earth. Just that alone will keep us humble, will unfold to us some of the hugeness of the revelation of the incarnation through man.
    The 3 Revelations of Abraham Isaac and Jacob are also another "COMPLETE" abbreviation of the Fulness of God. Complete in themselves. Why God was pleased to be called I AM the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
    We can go on arguing,bickering,reasoning, trying to gain the right attitudes...for ever and a day
    Or IN ONE DAY we can do what the Lord says Gather In His Name Every tribe that can be gathered For in the complete assembly...if gathered properly before the true Lord Just doing that alone will speak very deeply to us about all our stupid leftbrain cul de sacs.....eg Calvinism versus Armenianism
    How do I know these things....really know these things well...the key of David meetings are a forerunner, because they are gatherings of all kinds of hungry people from all over the place with no particular "house of doctrine"...but the LORD is there.
    But I know also because there is a sound from heaven the melchizedek order has a spiritual sound...beyond human emotion and beyond human reason...the Living Presence of God
    And naturally because as a piano tuner daily i have to tune 12 tribe members of an octave to perfection...and the strings "hate each other" or cannot be tuned perfectly. if i tuned C perfectly to G, then to D, already the keys following wouldn't be right. To be right I have to tune G slightly flat 5th to C, and so on right round in order to meet up bang in tune on the 12th note. So I don't tune G to its convenience, to where it has no beats against C...I have to tune it slightly off. And so is the Body of Christ....there's a tension. There's a Cross in our relating. There's a forebearance...but if we are each taking the strain...the amount we have to each yield is very little. The only reason at the moment we sometimes feel we have to yield massively is because our whole role is being denied by another section of the Body of Christ. Which is why Paul wrote what he wrote.






  • Wednesday





  • Cathy Rheeder

    Thank u for sharing your thoughts with me Chris. We are a body, we all need one another's input, bless u.






  • Sister L

    Friends- my Daughter J.. is having a tough time with the coming divorce and anger towards her I don't know what to call him.. He's not a father to her.. She needs love spoken into her so that she doesn't stay angry like this.... Please help me lift my daughter






  • Cathy Rheeder

    Hooked up with u in Prayer L.... When u two are alone, give her a pillow, ask her questions about, her hurt, anger, rejection, & as she talks it all out, to hit, slap, box, that pillow, it helped my son when he was 8yrs, when his dad divorced us. Big hugs.







  • Kathy McDonald

    Father I ask you to speak into L....'s daughter's heart as you did me so many years ago. In my anguish of my earthly father not being a father to me I cryed out "I wish I had a different father" and instantly you spoke and said "you have a heavenly Father". That was my first knowing of you as "MY Father". I pray for you to speak into her heart the same way ! Thank you Father !

















  • Sister L

    Amen ! Abba we cry out !















  • Joan Reilly

    It was wonderful! I'm thankful for every word.












  • Today





  • Chris Welch

    Praying L..... These thoughts come. Even in a normal family there has to be a divorce of sorts once father input has been introduced....usually happens in teenage....where circumcision of relationships is practiced...ie...our relationships are on behalf of....not need based loving....then the relationships continue. We can see this in many Christian households where people live the Cross life.
    But what I'm saying is....the real Father relationship is the one pointed to by the natural father. As we relate to the ONE it's like shortcircuiting all else in the created Universe... It isn't quite that...because even that can become an uncircumcised relationship. Can you imagine that? But this is now commonplace in the Holy Spirit move...or what was the Holy Spirit Move....what David Swan calls the mixed Holy Place area.
    So what are the safeguards? A rightly related Body. You see if i'm really relating with the genuine Father, it includes your genuine relationship with the Father. We are ONE thing. God is not my boyfriend. God is not my army buddy. To use two male and female stereotypes.
    God alone is HOLY and that we get by revelation. If we don't...."Holy" is this very heavy religious word that in Spirit terms becomes meaningless.
    He is neither our flesh buddy nor is He distant. He is HOLY and GOD and counts every single hair...and DNA strand in our bodies. We just can't get these paradoxes in the leftbrain...we have to KNOW HIM, let Him splice us to Him like some grafted sapling...it is His doing by grace.






  • Chris Welch

    (From my Fb status)
    Unity of the Spirit until we arrive at the unity of faith, is a grace area. We fix our believing on the completed ETERNAL NOW picture,but like a dot to dot picture, with our eyes upon this earth at the moment we see a lot that has to join. God joins from the inward out. That's why we are really a lot further on than it looks. Actually if all Christians today got caught up in the Spirit such that Ephesians 1 to 4 became substance in them and not airy fairy leftbrain doctrine, by tonight, we'd be joining together out of every country on earth. Without Galations 2:20 as inner consciousness we remain Methodists, FreeBelievers, Catholics, Baptists,7th Day Adventists you name it. What God is currently doing according to the scripture "Enlarge the place of your tents"...is piling in stakes unbelievably deep into the soil. In 1 John 2 terms we have lived corporately at mostly child level with smatterings of "young men" YWAM type stuff going on...but none of this goes deep enough for the huge mainframe tent that is sown ready in the Kingdom of heaven. For this size of Beast...(not the revelation beast you understand) you need stakes that are painfully painfully deep....in fact, really and truly past all the sand level, and down to the Rock...where we are living out of Christ as us all day long as second nature. One of the fun things we are going to do is scare the living daylights out of any remaining last charismatics, who only do God in meetings and quiet times. Paul Cain warned about such people from Joel 2. We will look neither to the right nor the left, but we will rush upon cities dismantling all the infrastructures that come from the LIE of separation and a distant God. For some it may be a truly harrowing experience...for others , they'll be drunk on Grace New Wine!






  • Shirley Unger Cunningham

    Yes... drunk in the grace wine. I love that.






  • Sister LThanks for prayer ! How do I explain such truth to a twelve year old who sees her friends doing things with their dads every day? She is resentful and angry he has rejected her. She still wonders what's wrong with her that HER dad acts as though she doesn't exist... I have told her repeatedly all these years, it's not her fault, she thought it was, that we can't expect him to do what he can't do. He is incapable of loving J..... the way she wants to be loved





  • Sister L

    How do I help her let go of the expectation from another person, human person, and help her focus on Abba and his love and provision ? Logic isn't working... Different perspective isn't working... How do I help her let go of her imaginary wish life and embrace her real one?
    Please pray for God to speak to her in this area. Turn on the light !
    Going to do the pillow talk...







  • Kathy McDonald

    Chris I love all that you said here. Some very deep truths here.






  • Sister L

    Kathy thank u !






  • Annalize Mouton

    L........., it is not something anyone can do – only the Lord. Once we as the parent who has to deal with all of their rejection, etc. understands at a very deep level that all of this is also "working together" towards Christ being formed in our children and ourselves and our exes, we start to thank the Lord for whatever they and we are going through at the moment. And please understand that this is not just a "glib platitude"! I have been through this with my own children. Jesus's words to Pilate are so relevant in these situations: You have no power over me, except what has BEEN GIVEN to you by My Father who is in Heaven. By faith we, in the face of this great trial, choose to praise God – we BY FAITH believe His word which says that He loves our children more than we ever could and He knows, and He is Wisdom. Just be there for her. If she rants and raves against you just take it all and put yourself in the Lord who swallows and carries all of this and be her human cushion. Do not revile or be tempted to speak evil against their father. Praying.






  • Annalize Mouton

    Chris, yes, agreement.






  • Sister L

    Oh jeez, it just occurred to me... The words I use, he can't do it, you can't expect him to... She may think i'm defending him....






  • Annalize Mouton

    He cannot do it,, neither can anyone of us without knowing that the love of God has been shed abroad in our hearts!!!!!






  • Sister L

    Thank you Annalize !
    True ! I remember talking to get years ago about His love being what equips us to love others.. Have to revisit that with her....






  • Daniel Yordy

    I am always placing my children into God by giving thanks, giving thanks, even against the breaking of my father's heart. I always expect God to arise even against everything outwardly. At the same time, I don't impose my own druthers, Christian or not upon them. Thus I am always overwhelmed to tears as I see God showing up in their lives, completely separate from me. That's how I see it anyway. The truth is, my own heart, cast utterly into God in tears, giving Him thanks, is the very Mercy Seat through which Jesus is free, now to carry them.







  • Kathy McDonald

    L...., I understand completely what you are going through. My children have went through the same thing. Their father was never a father to them. I remember seeing my son when he was ten years old holding onto a black telephone receiver and crying to the point where his tears dripping off the receiver ( I can still see those tears today ) and he was begging his dad to come see him. His dad said "no I am going to the bar". Nothing ever changed with their dad. They came to accept him as he is. He has caused great hurt and pain in their lives over the years. They are all grown now with families of their own. I know the longing is still there of them wanting to be "accepted" by their father. For their dad to be a dad. They just want to hear him say "I love you son/daughter and I am proud of you". Only God knows if this will ever be. All the "logic" in the world will not change this. Only God our Father can change it. The ONLY thing we need to do is to draw these situations into the Mercy seat of God. To completely hand over the situations to our Lord. To pray for these men. For their salvation first and for them to see their children and to become dad's to them. We have to place them in the Mercy seat and TRUST Jesus to work it all out. Pray for divine protection for our children and for THEM TO RECEIVE JESUS INTO LIVES. We MUST HAVE COMPLETE FAITH AND TRUST THAT THIS WILL BE SO. No matter what we see with our earthly eyes. Our Father desires and longs for your children more than we do. Scriptures says "us and our households". I wrote all their names in the margin beside that verse years ago. It is very hard when we don't see with our eyes what we don't want to see. But we must trust the Lord. One hour in prayer and praying in tongues will do far more then a year of us "trying" to do anything. We love, teach and train our children. We cannot keep them from all the hurts that people in this world will cause them. We have to trust Jesus and have faith for them. I still pray for my ex husband and his new wife and children. I know they belong to the Lord. Just keep telling her how special she is. How proud you are of her. Encourage her in all things. You will find that YOUR love and the love of her Heavenly Father will sustain her. She will come to know Jesus as her Lord in all things too. Ha ! My children treat me like I am their mother AND father lol . So much so I started telling them them (especially my son) that I want father's day presents as well lol When ever something needs fixed they call me. Whenever my son restores a car (autobody restorations) he calls me to come see. Ellis. Next to God and His Son Jesus Christ. YOU can be enough for her !!! I will be praying for you and your daughter Ellis !!







  • Kathy McDonald

    Just read Annalize and Daniels posts . IN TOTAL AGREEMENT !!! We must give thanks FOR all things. Always give thanks !






  • Annalize Mouton

    Would be good, but please just be there for her "without trying to help or correct how she feels". Let me explain: My son said to me one day that I am not listening to him. I said, I was and heard all he said. He said no, I'm making it worse and adding more condemnation by trying to correct him. It was a tough one for me, but eventually I got it. When you have a wound and am in great pain – you don't need anyone to tell you why or what who did right or wrong or how should feel or what you should say. That is the awesomeness of God. We can say to Him exactly how we feel at that very moment and press right further into Him and He will ease it all away and make it better and sometimes without even saying anything we come to a realization of not only the truth about ourselves, but also of others. You remember a while ago I told you about my son (30)(it was last year in Oct/Nov thereabouts) phoning me telling me that he was drunk and was going to drive home as fast as he could and if he doesn't kill himself through that, he is coming to kill me and my husband. I prayed, had to release my son once again to the Lord that whatever happens would only be what He allowed as His Father, and proclaimed aloud what the Lord said to me. Anyway when my son came home, I went outside. The police was there and he was screaming and shouting at them, too. I eventually told him to shutup and acknowledged the police's right to arrest him, but asked for favour knowing that the Lord's will will triumph whichever way. They then asked me if I would be okay and they left us. I called my son to me and we sat down on the lawn (it was almost 11 at night) and I told him it is fine if he wants to kill me or himself, but there is nothing I can do to change what has happened in our lives. He then said to me: Mom, would you just once listen, really listen to me. (I have always thought that I do listen to them!) Anyway, he poured out his heart, tears streaming down his face, and told me how desperately he wants to be a "good" person, loving others, not taking drugs. How he loves me and his dad, but has always blamed himself for our divorce, how hard he is trying to earn his own way, but everything seems to be against him, his struggles with autism, etc. How he would never kill, but that is how desperate he feels at times. and much, much more… It just poured out of him. Lisa, the Lord shut me up that night. It was like He replaced me and if it was truly Him sitting there with my son, taking all of that into Himself and carrying it away. I have no words to really express the awesomeness of that whole night, but I just know, know, know, that He did it all. It was like I, the mother, vanished and it was all Him and He took us both into Him and since then. The one thing Daniel's writings have done to me, is made me comfortable with my own and others' human weaknesses. We don't have to get it right, all the time. We are allowed to be weak, to stumble, to be vulnerable, to be confused, to not have answers – and somehow he comes through best during those times. I don't know if all this makes sense. I basically just want to say to you – it is all right for all of you to feel like you are feeling just now. Cry with her. You really do not have the "right" answer and solution, not even about your ex.






  • Annalize Mouton

    Sorry, Daniel and Kathy, I have been typing when yours came through. Just now read it, and yes, I do agree with you. What I wanted to say after since then… since then there has been a continuous marked change in my son. So much so that he openly speaks about Jesus to me, reads his Bible and pray again, and is just a very changed young man. Only the Lord.







  • Kathy McDonald

    Amen Annalize ! ONLY the Lord !! I hear things from my children too. And like Daniel said , when I do it brings me to tears. I hear JESUS in them ! And you know what when I do hear things, it is not the false things that is taught in the religious system. Especially with my son. He doesn't say much but when he does it is usually something deeply profound and is truth. The ONLY way he see's these things is it is Jesus showing him. I am usually the one caught and brought to tears when I hear him speak these deeper truths not realizing that he knew them ! I believe beyond anything that there is so much more going on in the lives of all around us including our loved ones, our children, that we do not see outwardly. Only God knows a heart !!






  • Annalize Mouton

    Oh, Kathy, absolutely! It is exactly the same with my son!







  • Sister L

    I'm at work, responding via text looking forward to going back on to read... Love u all







  • Shirley Unger Cunningham

    Tears Annaize... thank you for sharing. I so needed to hear your story again.







  • Annalize Mouton

    Oh, Shirley, our Lord is so amazing and His ways are awesome and so beyond our natural understanding. I love you all.
    By the way, Lisa and Shirley, there are some awesome posts on the Blood of Jesus and our covenant relationship with Him on my timeline. I really would encourage you to read.







  • Shirley Unger Cunningham

    Oh how I love how he works wi th this group... a friend just called me out of th e blue and spoke about blood covenant and i needed to study the spiritual aspects of it..... conifrmation again.






  • Annalize Mouton

    And please read Daniel's stuff on the Covenant again, also when you have time – profound!






  • Shirley Unger Cunningham

    Time... that is needed.... desired deeply.






  • Chris Welch

    I've been saying about the tunnelling at both ends thing http://080808onnowto.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/tunnel-breakthrough-from-both-ends.html I have to say too Daniel's verbalising of how God has fashioned this earth life has helped remove some of the bitterness and lies with which the devil regales against what is. It is the devil who a. creates the breakdowns then b. screams about God's powerlessness or non existence. Really this is the double cut and thrust behind Auschwitz. And behind family breakdowns. But God is in these tastes of hell, and the thoroughness and depth of his workings, which we see referred to when we go behind the scenes, or we read Annie Schissler's visions... The charismatic quick zap idea, although it is sometimes real God interventions....generally it is hopelessly shallow in representing the hugeness of the "earthworks" going on in our beings. He is fashioning Himself....this is a completely different order and scale of working.
    The charismatic vision only sees things in terms of the selfhelp bookshelf. "How can we put right a person's temporary stuation." God's angle is....How can I bring forth Myself, My glory, My person, My character within this ball of clay. Kinda different.





  • Rich Novek

    Release, Rest, and Receive, 3 words God gave to me when I was estranged from my kids after my divorce. Estranged because their mother who just remarried, married a lying, cheating, drug addict, alcoholic, and was NOW living under the same roof as my 5 young children.
    I was newly married to Linda, living in California, my kids were (and still are in Florida) I woke up one morning in a panic and screamed out the words, "My kids!!!!!" God immediately corrected me, "Whose kids?" And then He reminded me of three words He had been showing me the meaning of the previous 25 years.
    RELEASE-Just let go of everything you are holding onto and still calling your own, including your kids, spouse, stuff, vision, ministry, identity, and reputation.
    REST- Take your appointed place of Rest IN Him as you grasp the power of His awesome saving and KEEPING Grace!
    RECEIVE- Now you are positioned to receive from Him as your ALL IN ALL every good and perfect gift, even if by appearances the gift looks completely opposite of what you would call good and perfect.
    This is what God gave me at a time I needed to know my kids would be okay. to make it through the many years my 5 kids turned against me and listened to the poisonous lies of their mother.
    Today, nearly 10 years later my kids and I are all reconciled, even though we have been geographically separated for the last 13 years!
    This is only possible because of Grace, and NOW those three words have become the foundation of everything that concerns my life.
    RELEASE, REST, RECEIVE!







  • Joan Reilly

    I just got home from my walk with Rich via telephone. We do this most mornings sharing, praying and praising God. Thirty minutes goes by like a shot. I just read your responses to Lisa and I am so blown away. Annalize, my tears are still wet as I write this. What an amazing God to do what He did for you and Johannes (is that right?) If not tell me his name again. Praise God for you Annalize. Thank God for what He is doing inJesse














  • Annalize Mouton

    Yes, Joan, it is Johannes, you remembered well!






  • Chris Welch

    I remember us all praying that night Annalize
    Yes Christine has done really well against incredible odds 





  • Annalize Mouton

    Yes, Chris!
    And congratulations to Christine, and you, too!





  • Joan Reilly

    I remember that day too,Chris. Now to see God's faithfulness brings tears to my eyes. And Congratulations to Christine. That is one amazing accomplishment. Release, Rest and Receive Rich are words I now live by thanks to you.




  • Chris Welch

    I think I understand what God showed you Rich a lot better this time reading it.







  • Joan Reilly

    Yes Congratulations to Chris also For all your support





  • Chris Welch

    Thankyou Annalize and Joan and everybody




  • Joan Reilly

    And Shirley I so agree with you about loving how God works in this group!