Learning Our Romans 8 Agency in the Earth

 

God's original command to Adam still stands . Go , multiply , fill the earth and Subdue it .

A bit like the Baal Priests setting up every obstacle they could to Elijah , God still performed His Word through Elijah .

It was a bit of a Shazam thing which needed regulating , because there was still " an authority gap " which the Jezebel spirit snuck between to terrorise him.

Simply put , while Kings kids are learning their agency , God still stands by His Name when people rub Aladdins Lamp to get the genie .

Until Kings kids get towards total agency .

God has magnified His Word above His Name .

God allowed the fire incident to show something .

God allowed Israelites to choose kings to demonstrate things about that type of order .

God has magnified His Word above His Name , means things like He has allowed his sons to do teenage , or the young man state while they grow into their real estate in Him .

The earth is given to the sons of men. But the operation is within the Word , the Person , the Union , of the Trinity in them . John 14.21, and John 17.21

We have to move from the American Elijah fire gospel to perceiving a cloud the size of a man's hand gospel , that becomes national rains .

We see what is in heaven and we bring it in to the earth.

We do not see heirarchy in God's actual work .

Angels taught us heirarchy and armies .

America actually call their chief ruler Commander in Chief exposing their rule as military from the top down .

If the church refuse to learn the Romans 8 way of setting the earth free , and they are the pillar and ground of truth , how will the rest of the earth learn rulership ?

Galatians 2.20 and Colossians 3.3 are THE METHOD of true agency to fulfil the mandate to Adam.

( Even now , even now , if you come in the name of a living being into Maritime Law Court , the court cannot be held legally , because our souls are planted on the earth we stand on . We are not dead souls at sea , being tried over water as fiction selves ).

The Lords prayer talks about hallowing Gods Name . Well , God has magnified His Word above His Name and He is growing His Sons according to His Word in the Son , and magnifying it even above His fulfilment in the One Son, to bring MANY SONS TO GLORY .

Jesus said " Now is the Son of Man glorified , the devil has no landing places in Me ".

This is the work of the interior part of the Lord's Prayer , which results in bringing forth the Body of Christ in the earth .

Do not be deceived by the brevity of the 1 John 2 growth stages.

Do not be deceived by the brevity of the three internal prayers of the Lord's Prayer .

Do not be deceived by the brevity of Revelation 12. 1

Do not be deceived by the brevity of the Psalm 84 passage in how God's servants are revealed .

They are mystic passages, which simply means pertaining to our Sonship and the mystery of sin that was our reality and the mystery of Christ in us the hope of glory .

Before , our glory was in heaven only . Through the mystery of God's Word magnified even above His Name, Christ in us as us gets to do things that never were conceived in our mind nor entered into the heart of man .

These are the actualities that we are speaking into being as we speak these mysteries in tongues .

God could not entrust these things to our mind , we would have never spoken them out !!!!!

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Ed Miller and Jorge Pradas and Ian McCulloch redefined ecclesia in our era .

There's no getting away from what Jesus said .

God is Spirit and must be worshipped in Spirit and truth .

Remember, the American AOG missionary to Argentina , Ed , got pig sick of going nowhere in his ministry . He ofcourse had no way of knowing Argentina had just been taken over spiritually by the blackest of evil , Nazi SS who were operating their blood sacrifice LOOSH over the whole of Argentina .

But this forced opposite action . Ed stamped his feet and said " God I am not doing another thing until I see some breakthrough ".

There is a YouTube message of stuff I never heard from his mouth , of his Revival background . He knew what revival was .

There's a complete description , which amounts to Loosh ,that he was pressing through in the Spirit .

But one thing he learned en route is proper church .

We hate the word mystic being physical people .

But the point of entering the path of God is to learn the truth of spirit to a people accustomed to 6000 years of lockdown in our material senses .

A radio station isn't fuzzy and nebulous if we have the right wavelength and the right machine to perceive it , and that's a radio .

Jesus didn't walk through walls because He was fuzzy and wispy . He walked through walls because His resurrected body was more substantial than atoms with lots of space between them . He showed His hands and cooked a barbecue on the shoreline later .

The gates and walls of praise and Thanksgiving are what leads us into the realm we describe as mystical . But baptism in the Spirit and gathering in Jesus Name sets up a portal whereby we begin touching heaven and learning and worshipping God who is greater than creation , more substantial than creation ....and the truer church gets ....not really mystical at all .....blooming tangible . Ask Jonathan Brennemann .

There was the Argentina revival through Tommy Hicks , and about one revival per decade in different places through Ed Miller's intercession and the Word He brought into churches .

He was behind getting the converted hippies with Chuck Smith to learn orchestral instruments which produced all those 50 or so praise albums in the 70s.

Ed taught Ian McCulloch and Jorge Pradas how to do church . Seriously , it was like a Book of Ezra learning experience but in the Holy Spirit . Through Claudio Friedzon and many others we have spent the last decades relearning church .

Through a diverse fork in things , to do with Jessie Penn Lewis trying to get Norman Grubb Baptised in the Spirit , but failing , we got instead .....go figure .....Norman's complete treatise and articulation on the more Book of Nehemiah side of things .....how real world living works with Word of faith , and Christ in us as us , Galatians 2 20.

Our meme is , a sword in one hand and a trowel in the other .

Bible Houses were our stab at the two sides simultaneously .

Like the disciples learning off Jesus how Melchizedek gatherings worked . " I only do what I see the Father doing " psalm 123 stuff .

And living full time with Jesus who was modelling life off the Genesis 3 delusion , after 30 years practice as a human .

So we have had the Ed Miller strand of things , through the praise albums , places like Bible Temple in Oregon etc

And we have had the 24/7 living side of things through the 60 years missionary titan of WEC , founded with CT Studd , including Inter Varsity Press and the University Christian Unions originally called Inter Varsity Unions of Norman Grubb.

All in the one century !!!

This is to take us to thirdlevel church like Acts Jerusalem Church in every location .

Elders revealed before God in Zion ....in every town , instead of rolling out pyramid church franchises like the whole of our generation producing stultified ineffective Ishmaels in every place because nobody learned the Romans, Ephesians sequences properly inwardly in the Spirit .

Unless we fall into the ground we dwell and minister alone .....

Unless we abide in the Word we never really get the awful and glorious truth properly which are both mysteries .....and we never get truly free

Unless we learn everything from the ground up like little children again .....without figleaves .....and off Genesis 3 altogether, we never position ourself spiritually to see Kingdom .....think of it like a holy version of platform 9 3/4 in Harry Potter .

Jesus arrived bang on time .....but only those whose inner eyes were ready saw Him . He was really there . In one day Peter saw Him . He wasn't just an ex carpenter . He was the Mesheach , disguised as a carpenter ....except His disguise was real .

The Kingdom is believing all round us like the radio frequencies .....have we got the gear yet to perceive it ??

That's what real ecclesia is .....not silly ecclesiastica with an additional stic plonked on it to make it some quasi Levitical frilly order of priests again ....

Ecclesia and the specific instructions for it are quite literally Platform 9 3/4 , a portal of heaven , where the quite literal Body of Christ forms .

Hence Jorge Pradas' insistence on Revelation 12 church .....a Woman Overshadowing the New Manchild !!!!

Ed Miller had to learn all this stuff because AOG was so much about power presentations that they weren't understanding anything of the third stage of growth which takes us beyond foolish virgins with one flask of oil .

How Acts 2 IS the HOLY of HOLIES on legs!!

 This morning's Facebook posts on what it is we are actually a part of.

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The way Facebook works as all you guys know is by participation in the form of a response . A like . The like then gives tacit acceptance to a flow of posts . Can I just say , that I am through with the solo ministry thing . This is a figment of everybody’s imagination . There is no such thing in the Kingdom . You get sent out in minimums of twos . Perhaps not in Christianity , but when you are preaching Kingdom you do . Can I also say I am through with Romans 3 to 5 ministry . Just to be clear there I mean the isolated form of ministry that it is , taken out of all context of the whole of the rest of Romans . Can I also say I am through with women leaping out of “ socialisation “ into an esotericism that involves Grand Masters and angels and lights and stones and crystals and kundilini and chakras and third eyes . What I am interested in is people who know how taking up the Cross works , how Genesis 3 is a lie , how we have died and it is no longer I that live , and this being so true that we have moved from death to life and are inside each other . We are like disciples helping each other with nets . As marvellous as Rodney Howard Browne, Benny Hinn are ... they aren’t actually part of that . As marvellous as all these ladies are finding life beyond the strictures of Law , and male pyramid societies , finding flow and Romans 3 to 5 life ........ and as a common theme loads of ladies club together ...... But are they together really ? The together of the Kingdom really really is the destruction of the “ lone - I “ from Genesis 3. It’s not just where we find each other as Grace covered people . There’s any number of churches of 15-35 year olds as was Rob Rufus church in Hong Kong all drinking of the grace message around 2008-12. But you notice it was still one leader doing all the ministering . If it’s genuine then I guess like Jesus after about 42 months there will be now 12 going off and doing the same . Except it isn’t is it ? Jesus wasn’t ministering out of a single shred of Genesis 3 consciousness . He was transmitting pure Kingdom . He had no “ lone - I “ consciousness so what He was imparting wasn’t miracles , wasn’t even the complete covering for sin . What He was ministering was uncovering any of this sham existence by being filled with grace and truth .At times gently , at times ferociously . And they trusted Him to do it because He had authority .And was ofcourse under authority . Real life and Real Kingdom are the same thing . One thing . And we join each other inside it . But it is absolute Light and not all of Jerusalem were up for it . So here we are and this is the “ king David’s new cart “ of automated fellowship where we “ like “ something . The truth of Light though is we are either drawn to it in one another or repelled by it . And similarly if there’s any Dark we are repelling one another if in that matter we are already in Light . A lot of this is unspoken . It’s inside attitudes behind the things we are writing about . Many times we can’t quite articulate it either . Or it’s like Paul writes “ if I am an eye and because you are a hand , I say I have no need of you .....” so there's some of that too . We are all at different stages and that’s not a problem ..... honestly not .... It’s when a solo person thinks that after being given a gift of healing in 1 Corinthians 12 that they are now John Doe ministries Or That because they have read as far as Romans 5 that being able to minister to 15-35 year olds is the same as Kingdom . Praise and worship 25 minutes . Preach on the covering of the Blood 30 minutes . Get a word of knowledge to heal somebody - a few minutes then everyone’s buzzing and send them home . OK . But none of that’s Kingdom . It’s somewhere in the first two weeks of the gospels except they at least ministered in twos , so it isn’t even that . It gets 15-35 year olds excited ..... for many weeks and months any way ..... Until a church split over real world , real living type stuff .  

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Dave Bilbrough, one of many on the podium of the London House church gatherings

Why do we go out in twos? So we can now have a tandem pair of Genesis 3 conscious people ministering out of their leftbrain of library facts ? No that would be like taking two mono loud speakers and saying “ hey listen to this . It’s stereo !” It isn’t though . It’s simply two mono speakers . It’s the same sound information reinforced through two mono speakers . THE REASON WE GO OUT IN TWOS AND MORE IS TO BEGIN DEMONSTRATING THE EPHESIANS 1.10 ADMINISTRATION . This is Kingdom . Gerald Coates , Maurice Smith , Dave Bilbrough, John MacLaughlin, David Mansell ( to start ) even the Galloping Gourmet !!! Yup Graham Kerr was there !!!! John Noble ofcourse . Instinctually they were doing Kingdom . But each one were still right inside the old Genesis 3 consciousness still , but with some anointing !!!! By by the lights of 1970s it was brilliant . And it was nascent Kingdom . We aren’t preaching” lone - I Genesis 3” power Christianity . We are not preaching mono loudspeaker Christianity . The whole “ sonic “ information of Kingdom is stereo from the very first sentence . It’s redeemed community . But ofcourse how redeemed we are shows up in LIGHT . If we are still a load of Alan Bennett mono “ Talking Heads “ ( his plays that are monologues ) Just putting us in a room will still be a load of mono speakers . To be baptised in the sea and under the cloud as a people , as a City compacted together , is something God has to work . If we work it , then it’s socialism . It’s redistribution of wealth . Which is just a con , because the elite share out our hard earned goods with a bunch of ne’er do Wells and cream off the top load for themselves .... or sell off all the hardware of a country .... its power its water its railways its health and all these get run as corporations and the expenses skyrocket . That’s why the actual production of any nation devolves mostly back into 70% of self employed and small businesses. Because pyramids don’t work . Endless tiers of middle managers benefit a few at the top but they are the most inefficient way of running anything . The Body . The Kingdom . Our own bodies . Do not resemble Eiffel Towers . Or pyramids . We are a whole . With no middle management . The Body is joined by that which each individual joint supplies . That’s the Ephesians 1.10 Kingdom . In Darkness you have to have pyramids . Darkness churches are run by one human down through tiers . Kingdom Churches are run by the Holy Spirit through living connection and many classes or types of gifting distributed throughout the Body . The one who has real authority is just doing a whole load more “ supplying and joining “.

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Fisherfolk Yeldhall Manor

Wherever they were at the London house church leaders ministered out of the rediscovery of baptism in the Spirit in a no religious setting and RELATIONSHIP . Wherever they were at Graham Pulkingham and the Fisherfolk ministered baptism in the Spirit out of Graham’s deeper Anglican history but out of Community lived relationship . As we proved in Emsworth Community , the Body is itself an entity like our own bodies with its own homeostasis . There’s stuff coming up and in Christ we do have what it takes for things to be brought into complete deliverance . We weren’t very good at it . We didn’t have Norman Grubbs articulation . But it really was going on , had we continued with it . The alarming nature of “ The Hideous strength” that is serpent life quite put the leadership off , and some of the leadership got rid of the more mature leadership and called this all “ way too heavy and unnecessary “. So what happens ? Things which had been more fluid and Kingdom revert back to pyramid , and “ one leaders family “..... with only family members having a look in ... until they too get cheesed off. But no .... the gospel was clear . Take up your cross and follow Me Paul says Dont get bitter in the day of testing . That’s not the same as allowing a pyramid leader to do and say what they like . That’s just Marxism . But when your strongholds are being brought into the Light ..... be assured you won’t like it . It’s not a deckchair on the Mediterranean . It is the Song of Solomon north wind . It is the astringents in Esther’s beautification . Jacob said at Peniel “ Dont let me go until you have blessed me “. Bind the festal sacrifice to the altar . But boy this has to be right !!!! People who are Christ them will really be about pulling you through . The Spirit will be upon them for this purpose . They will be groaning with groans too deep for words and the Holy Spirit will be helping them in their weakness . And guess what ? Next week it will be their turn !!!! Nobody is exempt . We are going from glory to glory . Elders have just had more of this sequence . They’ve done more of this training in righteousness . But nobody can say “ I am without sin now “..... all we can say is we are getting better at believing Christ in me as me . It’s not a doctrine , it’s a manifestation of greater and greater unity and love. Of being inside each other in a holy and healthy way ..... not codependency , aiding and abetting each other’s Genesis 3 alone-I. This is why we “ sniff the air “ like Paul . Because we are spiritual beings we know this stuff anyway when we are amongst people . Understand this ..... yup , some part is a geographical melding of each church in one location .... but it’s really a continuous state in the Spirit . Having fallen in love , God does mean things like says ....Right you have to move on now !!! So it says in Acts on the beach everybody was loving on Paul as he was leaving , with much tears and crying . They genuinely didn’t know if he would be killed . But it’s this Romans 8 state that we are co pollinating round the world . To the extent we are inside it , to that extent we meet each other instantly inside it . When we were firstlevellers , we met each other inside the glorious knowledge of being born again . When we were baptised in the Spirit we met inside that too . When we were having Romans 3 to 5 opened up we nolonger had to regale each other with the exciting things God had been using us to do . We now knew it was just a glorious grace covered being we’d been brought into . But Romans 8 is the place where you know that you know that you know there is no independent self . Romans 7 has strung you up from the ceiling to prove it . You now know something of being inside each other ..... at least relative to the current Rhema word that Christ is speaking and getting you both involved in . Some people are preaching a Christianity , whatever that is . But Jesus preached Kingdom . The Kingdom of heaven is at hand . 3 1/2 years later there was a microcosm that got called ekklesia . Can we really call anything on earth yet run like a pyramid the world over “ church “ or “ ekklesia “? Does it even look like Acts 2? I’ve never heard this spelt out by anybody but me , but isn’t Acts 2 just the Holy of Holies furniture ? In the Holy of Holies there’s a prepared mercy seat . An acacia box covered inside and out with gold , stacked out with three forms of Word . Testimonies of “ Life being lived “ The Rhema NOW Word The Declaration of pulling the whole of heaven into our earth space . Or the almond stick declarations of Deliverance . And above the Mercy Seat the manifestations of Gods Now glory , His Shekinah Presence . So in Acts 2 we see this as all one package . And that is our blueprint as ekklesia . Well where is it ? Anywhere ? For brief instances God works revival like Jesus Word of knowledge about where the fish are . The fish are found and all the ministries are fighting each other over the nets and the biggest hauls . Then we go back to Jesus in the gospels and see the same pattern and reproduction of Kingdom . God has to start somewhere so He starts with His Chosen Son , who though solo , in His Heart are the highways to Zion . So unlike any other ministry anywhere Jesus brings 12 ordinary people into this co shared Holy of Holies reality by Acts 2. Extraordinary . But I’ve never heard that spelled out by anybody ever . Not even R Edward Miller who prayed in the Argentine Revival Not even Jorge Pradas who established a church in every province of Argentina and some others in Europe and UK. WHAT IS IT WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING ?

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Yeldall Manor where the Fisherfolk were based in UK, then Vic Gledhill based Life for the World Trust  Drug Rehab here.

  Unless you are born of the Kingdom you cannot see the Kingdom . It’s just endless religious movements and stone buildings scattered across the nations . Cain church and Abel church . Understand the Anglican harvest festival is but a small meme of the entire thing but it sure does go a long way to capturing the whole of it. The idea of bringing in food that you have harvested out of your own farms , not as a sacrifice for sins exactly, they aren’t quite that mad ...... but it’s some kind of “ works thank offering “ for Gods abundant supply . It’s some tins “ on the side “ which will be farmed out to people who will be genuinely grateful , doubtless . But real Kingdom is real heart relationship with God and each other . It dismantles the whole of Genesis 3 separation from the inside of the heart out . We really do all go into the ground and die .... Not to OUR AUTHENTIC SELF..... To our whole Satanically driven spirit infestation that takes a Cross to deliver us in death and resurrection. Our authentic God conceived and God created self comes bouncing back bigger than ever !!! Norman Grubb calls it “ us - with a wink “. Because we know that at our inner centre we have died !!!! If this process doesn’t have Jesus label on it , it isn’t . It’s just that it’s a Holy Spirit label that can’t be seen except by born again eyes . When did I give to you a drink Jesus ? When that little one came in my name and asked for a drink . What is “ my name “? Spontaneously God driven . There is a beggar type who hasn’t the slightest intention of anything other than free food , and they claim that they are coming in Gods Name and asking you for free stuff . But just “ claiming “ and “ being something spontaneous “ in your own God given integrity are two different things . Back to the heart thing . All of us are naturally something . First thing I got used in was having loads of songs . These were a blessing to the Body . Then I got cheesed off . Know why ? I can articulate it now . I didnt want to be stuck for ever and a day with aiding and abetting the Genie Aladdin’s Lamp rubbing of praise . I wanted to get to the heart of what the apostles were actually doing . Vic Gledhill had a burden for all the drug addicts . He began Life for the World Trust and they moved into the Reading House that the Fisherfolk had lived in . During the height of multilevel marketing I met Vic again . By this time he was into motivational speaking in business . A kind of less well known Zig Ziglar . I asked him how he’d pulled away from his drug rehab work . “Only a small number ever get free “said Vic . “I got tired of wasting my life on losers . I feel I can make a greater contribution with those that want to change their mindset .” Want my perspective on that ? Perhaps you dont . My perspective is that is that Vic was a cross between a Matthew and a Mark . He likes things to be practical and actually work , but like Lance Walnau , he’s also a big perspective man , who likes setting things in motion . A builder . An entrepreneur . But if you never “ see “ how Jesus came not only to bless us with Deuteronomy 28 blessings , but to completely reverse the Genesis 3 lie ..... anything you practically try to do for people won’t get anywhere . That’s why we preach Kingdom . That’s why we preach seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness . Not just to be mean . Because it’s the only thing that works . Marxism doesn’t work . Actually neither left nor right politics works . Kingdomtics is the only thing that works , and contains every shade of genuine positivity within all of it .

The Holy Place and the Holiest Place: Two Different Operations entirely

Some Mormons building a replica Tabernacle of Moses

The holy place and the holiest place are both Spirit areas of the heavenly Tabernacle.
That is, there is NO sunlight. The covered area functions inside the area of illumination and revelation.
There is a distinction though between the two parts of the covered area.
Unless we “ arrive” in the Kingdom totally broken, like Mary Magdalen and the first 3000 on the day of Acts who KNEW FIRSTHAND THAT YES, they had participated in the death of God Himself....
and had to choose , either like the rest of Jews today to be offended, or simply confess their part and be born again that day.

But usually it’s too much to leave our Genesis 3 world of natural separation thinking and go straight into the Light of the Lord. So for this we have a transition stage
of accustomisation to the Lord Himself who is Spirit, and is both the Manna and the Light of His Temple.

For this we have spiritual gifts.
We have the preaching of Anointed Word, either by secondlevellers, or preferably , were there more, thirdlevellers.
We have the new knowledge that we can
“ experientially crown Jesus” in entering His Presence with praise and thanksgiving.

“ Praise waits for You O Lord”

We learn firsthand the new Psalm 123 protocols of “ waiting on the Lord”
Exchanging our strength.... both physical AND MENTAL for His strength.

Are you waiting for a “BUT”
Are you waiting for the point of this post?
For the “ you have heard it said.... but I say unto you”.

For 50 to 100 years we have learned various “ techniques” for “ rubbing the Aladdin’s Lamp”
awaiting the genie to appear.

I am NOT SAYING IT IS NOT REAL.
Jesus Himself says
if you gather in My Name there I AM in your midst

He also says in Hebrews through the writer
“For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬ https://www.bible.com/bible/1/heb.2.11-12.kjv

From the loud feisty Baptist Church ( and I began in one , so I know)
through the High Anglican pure choral sound singing the Word of God
down to Bethel’s worship

Jesus Christ in different measures is inhabiting those beautiful sounds and giving revelation and confirmation of His Presence.

So please.... as I start to topple your birds nests, don’t think that what you have been in isn’t real. I get the impression with Jim Palmer and many others that they are going one stage too far with the baby and the bath water.... And the Jesus Baby doesn’t like it!!!!

I can only describe what happened to me.
To me , on three major occasions Gods Presence came in the kind of way where
whatever you decide or say in your heart
defines your whole life.

There’s a fourth one , but that was part of my beginners package, on the day I was baptised in the Spirit.

At 16 , God came into my bedroom and asked me how far I wanted to go.
I didn’t understand theology and grace , so I said what I knew. “ As far as I can”

As you more clever people will know , it’s not up to how far we do anything.... it’s up to us letting Jesus who has done everything work things inside us according to His own power.

The next one was the corporate gathering at Harrowgate Dales Bible Week 1976, where Ern Baxter simply asked us all like Mary , not to understand how, but to believe and simply say yes to the actual Jesus Christ being birthed within us.

The final one came a bit Jacob like. Remember Jacob was so pig sick with all that had happened . ( Apocryphal books say that he’d also been mugged and robbed of all his money so that’s why he had to place himself at the mercy of fellow “ money grabber” his uncle Laban. But he was so fed up he’d chosen a rock for a pillow!!! And God turned up of all places with a staggering dream.
He called the place the house of God, Bethel.

I was angry with Emsworth church, and so puzzled that that which Id sold everything for, in terms of relationships and university... had turned out such rubbish. This was December 1987 up a mountain inNorth Wales.

God ignored my anger at Emsworth church and just said
“ what is that to do with you? Do YOU WANT ME????”

So I stepped over that Romans 12.1 freefall line so many of us have “ clumsily “ stepped over which means like the Son of Man we have no place to call our home, no place to lay our head. We are marked men.

I say this because there’s a time when eating bird food in a nest is not enough. Either you, or we as mother birds have to do you a favour and kick you out of your nests so you learn
psalm 84..... how you fly around the altars of God yourself.

There’s two sides.
You have to learn the Galatians 2.20 walk
You have to learn to move within the Shekinah glory.

But here’s the thing now
It’s not in a meeting any more.
You have to learn what it is to be taken where you don’t want to go.
You have to be placed in places where you don’t want, but inside you are conscious, hey I need this to “ add to my faith”.

You have no idea what is best for you, but God does. He KNOWS HOW TO PULL OUT OF YOUR THINKING AND EXPERIENCE EVERY LAST SHRED OF GENESIS 3 thinking and living.

Colander Living

Let me just add one final thing in the difference between
THE HOLY PLACE

AND

THE HOLIEST PLACE

In the holy place , like Bethel, you are still doing things to get the Presence of God....

but then like one of those kitchen Colanders , the vestiges of your Genesis 3 thinking and being are like holes through which the the waters of God seap out....

and so we marvel how like Benny Hinn , in order to “ keep his anointing “ the poor chap has to pray for hours a day to make up for all the holes in his colander.

The Thirdlevel is about destroying your colander altogether so that like a whole uncracked pot, you haven’t got any cracks or very few..... and your whole day like Jesus ,
is just about doing what the Father is doing next anyway.

It’s a whole different way of living and viewing things.

first posted on Facebook by Chris Welch Good Friday 19/004/2019

Further reading David Swan's book 

GOD's.EXE FILE 3.0 (beta) A Study of Emsworth Church 1978-84

Study these faces. Where are the bitterness lines? Ian was chucked out of the Brethren for.preaching baptism in the Spirit. Lost everything as a missionary in Argentina. Jorge escaped certain death under Franco in the civil war, then lived under Peron and some of the worst inflation in the planet anywhere in Argentina. Ed Miller was an American missionary getting absolutely nowhere in Catholic/Jesuit/Nazi Argentina. All broke through in God and were pioneers in the heavenly Tabernacle in our generation, and more than anyone currently writing on the net.....the Spirit know-how of how you take whole congregations through in the Living Presence of God. Not without personal frictions.....but that would have been totally thirdlevel and God knows how when and where He is bringing His Kingdom in. Can you imagine meetings with just one of these gentlemen.....Sometimes we had all 3!!!!!! Acts 2 formed.itself.around 12 such broken gentlemen......we have yet to see any geographical location anywhere with baptised in the Spirit leaders any further into God than Romans 3 to 5. If they are further like Bill Bowers of Los Angeles then they are rejected by all the Romans 3 to 5 ers. If you want to see this dynamic of rejection or awkwardness going on in your Bible with Jesus then read John 4. The disciples GRILLED Jesus because they were meeting centric and to them Jesus had been lazy by not going shopping with them. We take it all for granted because we read John 4 with insider knowledge now.....but this is exactly what first and secondlevellers are like.....They simply can't get hold of the fact that Jesus knew who He was, and was functioning in real time in the Father......and at this point in their lives there were evangelistic meetings with the Spirit moving and then the rest of Life when you had to go shopping. Jesus was a spontaneous meeting point for everybody to meet God at all times......and this was all happening in a Spirit flow at the well with the Samaritan. It didn't even figure in the disciples.brains that in about two hours Jesus had been led to cross about three human boundaries......woman....Samaritan.....immoral. had used word of knowledge.....had then got her so fired up the entire village came out.... Perhaps everyone had since cleared off and the disciples.came.back with shopping and somehow Jesus has to explain all the things that just happened.....but He is now standing alone by the well. Er Jesus they said exactly how long does it take to drink a bit of water!!!!!
Chris Welch Facebook comment on yesterday's blogpost
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continued as a blog

The Kingdom is not LO HERE or LO There....
unfortunately.
If I pointed you to Emsworth Church now it is called New Life Christian Church down Thorney Rd on the way down Thorney Island near Emsworth and Portsmouth UK.
Jorge's churches are likewise based throughout the Provinces of Argentina but based at Quilmes Buenos Aires. And Ed Miller's churches are scattered, but some are in Argentina and America.
THAT ISN'T THE POINT.
But for me in my Melchizedek Order experience
the Spirit had me dialling up a booking for I knew not where as I walked into the campus of Exeter University at the end of my first year during the summer term(1978). I took a leap of faith and announced that I would not be returning. This was in the days when the State paid your university bills. So, yes, I left without having any idea what was going to become of my life.  I had no idea that I was a Romans 3 to 5-er because to me and our generation just a bit older, like Terry Virgo, who took some of my songs round with him, we all thought
HAVE ANOINTING - WILL MINISTER.NOT THAT SIMPLE

Nobody knew there was a thirdlevel, there were just "special ministries", "big names", "people like Graham Pulkingham and Juan Carlos Ortiz that got their current books prominent in all Christian bookshops."
But from one little article in the charismatic Catholic magazine New Wine which spelt out the main features of how thirdlevel worked my spirit had already worked out much more than I could verbally articulate.   Like also, having just been baptised in the Spirit 6 years earlier, when I just gorged on all the letters of the New Testament, I knew inside me that the gospel  Eric Chambers of Old Town Baptist Church Amersham, and Tim La Haye - Late Great Planet Earth....was NOT the same gospel that Paul was preaching. But I couldn't put my finger on that either.

God has to train every son of God in being able to follow the Spirit.
Those who follow the Spirit , these are the sons of God.
The Melchizedek Order is peopled by a priesthood who have learned Psalm 123 living.
"I only do what I see the Father doing"....and "the Father is still working, so must I ,said Jesus."

1. TRUE CHURCH IS ON DIALUP ONLY   (in the Spirit)
2. The Spirit has to baptise you INTO the Church. He has to introduce you and introduce others to you because without Him all you will see is very ordinary flesh and blood people....but hereafter we see no man after the flesh
3. NOT BY MIGHT NOR BY POWER BUT BY MY SPIRIT.  It is good to think of the Kingdom a bit like Amersham International which began as the Radiochemical Centre. They made radio active tracing compounds for Xray use in hospitals. Ron Knight, who discipled me into Christ, made these things in his job in leadlined cubicles with leadlined rubber tubing in which he poked his arms.
   In the Spirit, the independent self has no part in, no inheritance with the saints in Light. Fleshlife which we now see is the false consciousness that came in at the Fall in Genesis 3, has no part in the Melchizedek Order, no part in the Church. Before we have Galatians 2.20 consciousness the Spirit trains us in prayer to GO INSIDE.....to SHUT THE OUTER DOOR of leftbrain traffic....and to MEET WITH OUR FATHER IN THE SECRET PLACE.
   We put on our leadlined equipment which is the Ephesians 6 GARB, or GARMENTS, and we function in the Kingdom
   
   initially 1 Corinthians 12-14, in little bitesize chunks....then later as we are schooled in the WAY of God....in greater ministry lumps.
   But it seems, however mature....John 15 says the Father is always pruning and chopping off bits in order to bring forth greater fruit.
   
   Not By Might, Nor By Power, But By My Spirit , which I have often puzzled over, has been shown to also refer to the heavenly Tabernacle.
   
   Might is clear. This is human strength. This is the church of the outer courts. Systems etc. It also refers to the whole of the Old Testament. The outer way of working.
   
   Power has been more subtle.
   But Elijah moved in power, but the kickback from Darkness through Jezebel's demonic power scared him witless.
   The Pentecostal realm was all about demonstrations of power, but like Barnum Showmen, there is something very shonky tradesman about that whole way of operating.
   Certainly Elijah had all the fear blasted out of him by the first two Divine Sequences...Whirlwind and Fire.... but then Elijah, now free of these fears, could hear God's still small voice.
   This is the realm of pure Spirit that David Swann has written about in Entering into the Holy of Holies.
   
   It marks out the three men above, who, operating at the time of the big named ministries....chose to ONLY BUILD what God was telling them to build. At one point the mighty general in God called Bryn Jones wrote a very nasty threatening letter to Ian McCulloch which showed more about where Byn was, than where I an was.
   
   Ian , Jorge and Ed contented themselves to build relatively small works , but out of which a whole generation of people like me would emerge who were aware of the protocols of the Melchizedek Order.
   
   I have always been grateful for Geraldine's obedience when the Holy Spirit told her to give over her whole 3 storey (Swiss style) house up New Brighton Rd Emsworth, ( no 42) at the precise time of the formation of Emsworth Church and the first Bible House (Casa Biblica). Only in heaven will we see the "return" on that investment. Certainly her family, who rightly were due all the proceeds, never got anything from what would have been rightly theirs.
   I have since tuned for one of her children.

Stay close to ME and let My love flow over you!


Stay quietly close, let it sink into your soul;


There you may be, waiting quietly near to ME,


Drinking from the Cup that I am giving you.


Moment by moment let this quiet waiting be


Quiet and undisturbed, resting near My heart.


Leave all to Me, how well I know your deepest longings,


No other heart can understand like Mine.





Just like a book your life lies open to Me


How well I know what's written on each page;


Heart's desires and longings, fears and strong imaginings;


Nothing goes unseen - The Light of love sees all!


How dear you are, My dear one, you will come to know


When you see my Son dying on that Cross for you;


Only His Blood can touch and cleanse away all sin


for He has lived in a body - just like yours;





And He knows the rugged pathway,


He knows the hard frustrations,


There's no place of sorrows


He doesn't know them too.





So my dear one, stay here close


And know the Love I have for you,


Comfort sweet and sure! Your own place in My heart"

(God's own gift to all who want to share in this treasure - for you too!" )

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Remember the old series of Dr Who when he was this unassuming character who after sorting everything out quietly left in his Tardis before any could make a fuss of him. There's something amazingly Dr Who and Jesus about Geraldine, who after giving her whole house, at the end of her life settled alone in a small Emsworth bungalow, knowing that New Life Christian Church was chuntering away, but not that sure about where it was heading, but yet as her near term memory loss was increasing, she was glued to the Father's love and hope and confidence in Him and what she could not see.
Except, I believe the answer to her prayer as she handed over the key to the Swiss style house DOESN'T just ENTAIL some pig-mamy old style temporary revival in England, which we don't see with our eyes. BUT THE WHOLE ENORMITY of THIRDLEVEL CHURCH  BEING BORN AND LEADING TO THE ISAIAH 60 PROPHECY ITSELF.

A GREAT LIGHT OF GALATIANS 2.20...THE ROCK THAT DESTROYS THE WHOLE OF THE IMAGE IN DANIEL'S VISION.....
BASICALLY DESTROYING LIVING IN THE IMAGE OR THE FIGLEAF....BUT A RETURN TO SPONTANEOUS TOTAL REALITY IN CHRIST.

IF YOU ABIDE IN ME THEN YOU ARE TRULY MY DISCIPLES AND YOU SHALL; KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.

(ELSEWHERE.....AND FREE INDEED)

The return on Geraldine's gift is like Jesus Cross itself.....without measure.