Showing posts with label secular agenda. Show all posts
Showing posts with label secular agenda. Show all posts

Tuesday, 21 February 2012

The Fading Dream of Secularism


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Let me be clearer on my conversation with my Jewish customer. If a Jew can be moved at all by Christianity (and an unprecedented quantity have become Christians in 2 crusades this past year in Israel), then we know our Christianity is beginning to look like reality and not a religious theory that gets you out of jail free.Secularism is an alternate belief system that is presented to us as reality.It has no answer for the complex and beautiful Earth, and why everything has developed so well. It has no answer for who we really are as people...cont
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    • Chris Welch It has no answer for how so many people through all ages can have a relationship with the same Being called God, and be in a developing relationship such that everything we knew remains true, but each truth is unfolding in incredible depth and fulness. It has no answer for how a people could then originate from one person of faith, through to a people of faith, and be told specifically how long that people would be dwelling in Egypt before escaping with the most incredible of stories.In the same way, secularism just has no answer for how a Messiah could be predicted thousands of years beforehand, and that His Messiahship take the exact form predicted in this people's scriptures of Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22., even when to this day the people themselves dont even make the connection.
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    • Chris Welch Secularism has no real answer for quantum physics, though anyone who is baptised in the Spirit, according to the sort of experience described in Acts 2, and who has discovered the reality of naming things by faith and calling them into being, knows this is more in keeping with real physics than the secular dream picture we have been living in for 200 years.
      Secularism as a faith is extremely shortsighted and in no way is able to encompass the broad range of life truths experienced researched and formulated by all the world's faiths and peoples. Christianity does not say everything about these other faiths is true, for they all contain many directly opposing beliefs. Muslims do not believe in reincarnation, Buddhists do. Only one religion can be right on this matter. But what we can confidently say is that all peoples and faiths have observed portions of the One Truth that in the Light of God, the One True God, become clear.

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    • Chris Welch Buddhism gives enlightenment on the difference between leftbrain thought, and interior monologue,prayer,contemplation,believing,calling things out of the unseen level into the seen.
The Muslim faith gives us glimpses in a rather formulaic way of what a Kingdom occupied by believing souls who take their faith into all areas of their life will look like....not individual faith, but the corporate experience of faith.The Muslim faith honours prophecies about the rise of an Antichrist, all of which fully concurs with Old and New Testament prophecies.
Aborigines Dreamtime beliefs and similar beliefs of Red Indian peoples and Northern Inuit peoples, tie in with the prophetic and supernatural practices of Christianity, though the claim of Christianity is the experience of the One True HolySpirit of God that prophets of the Jews had to do with. Secularism as a narrow myopic belief has nothing to say in any of these quarters, yet loudly proclaims itself through adherents such as Richard Dawkins as the only real truth, and sets itself proudly in the highest places in education,BBC ,the Western nations as if it is a fait accompli, there is no other possible way for the modern human.
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  • Chris Welch Secularism's main truth can be summed up like this.What exists now,can be measured in physical terms,can provide all the answers of our past present and future. Reality and quantum physics say that our external reality is entirely governed by our inner reality. Since a secularist has no belief in the full measure of man, and only believes in selective parts of his or her makeup, their "reality" makes approximate sense , since the Law of Greater reality states that we "get" what we believe for. If a combined set of people have been neutralised in their ability to exercise any faith whatsoever, their externals will always appear unchanging , dependable, and in full support of the secularist belief.
    Christianity and Judaism proclaims in the Proverbs that what a man fears (negative believing) shall befall him. Such a connection between interior and external is never made in the inferior world view of secularism. But you can never prove things otherwise, because the Law of belief states a person sees what he believes.
    Secularism so perfectly reflects its own 666 nature.
    It is locked in on itself by virtue of its padded cell quality. By excluding all exterior input from other parts of the self, it assumes the high , godlike status of opinion-maker, parameter measurer, observer, re-interpreter of reality, history twister and redesigner, domination expressed politically through fear and extortion, bullying,threatening all other visions than its own slender vision.
    It is truly the number of 6 (meaning man to Jews) taken to the triple limit of its own godlike belief, while in actuality only having the slenderest grasp on a narrow portion of reality.


    Chris Welch Modern secularism is designed and controlled , it says in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, by people who do not believe in it at all. Its major constructs like Das Kapital by Karl Marx were commissioned and paid for by Luciferians. English covens.Secularism is its own Truman Show, since its own real designers control it from outside its bubble.

    It was created quite deliberately by promoting unbelief in all Christian and Jewish theological colleges, and in financing the same in all high centres of learning to control the decision makers, politicians , movers and shakers of all subsequent generations. Some of the most significant changes were brought about in Harvard University which began as an evangelical institution.

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    Chris Welch Secularism's greatest coup has been to create a shield between Christianity and its true nemesis Luciferianism whose true goal is the promotion of this belief and the strategies for welcoming him into a newly rebuilt Temple at Jerusalem.All of us Christians have spent our entire faith life engaging with a smokeshield rather than the actual battle. This has been superb for the Luciferians, leaving them "carte blanche freedom" to redesign our greater existence as nations.

  • Monday, 29 November 2010

    Survival of the Godliest: Does strong religious belief provide an evolutionary advantage?

    by vj torley......first appeared here
    Over at MercatorNet, Phillip Longman, a former senior writer and deputy assistant managing editor at U.S. News & World Report, has written a thought-provoking post on what might be described as a battle between genes and memes – the
    genes being those of very religious people (who are much more likely to procreate), and the memes being atheism, agnosticism and other varieties of secular belief, as well as the version of evolution put forward by Darwin, who is supposed to have “made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist” (Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker, 1986, p. 6). And the genes are winning. Here are some key findings highlighted by Longman:

    •“[I]n countries rich and poor, under all forms of government, birth rates are declining across the globe. But they are declining least among those adhering to strict religious codes and literal belief in the Bible, the Torah, or the Koran.”
    •“Indeed, the pattern of human fertility now fits this pattern: the least likely to procreate are those who profess no belief in God; those who describe themselves as agnostic or simply spiritual are only somewhat slightly less likely to be childless. Moving up the spectrum, family size increases among practicing Unitarians, Reform Jews, mainline Protestants and ‘cafeteria’ Catholics, but the birthrates found in these populations are still far below replacement levels. Only as we approach the realm of religious belief and practice marked by an intensity we might call, for lack of a better word, ‘fundamentalism,’ do we find pockets of high fertility and consequent rapid population growth.”
    •“When confronted with the fact that they are being outbred, secularists often respond that many if not most children born into highly religious families will grow up to reject the faith of their fathers,” but “[a]mong fundamentalist families, it turns out, the apple does not fall far from the tree. And the more demanding the faith, the more this rule applies. Only five percent of children born to the most conservative Amish, for example, move on to other faiths or lifestyles.”

    In presenting these findings, Longman draws upon the work of American academic Eric Kaufmann, currently a reader in politics at Birkbeck College, University of London, and formerly a fellow at the Belfer Center, Harvard University, whose new book, Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth?: Demography and Politics in the Twenty-First Century, has been released in the United Kingdom, and is due to come out in the United States next spring.

    Here’s a quote from the Product Description:

    “Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens have convinced many western intellectuals that secularism is the way forward, but most people don’t read their books before deciding whether to be religious. Instead, they inherit their faith from their parents, who often inoculate them against the elegant arguments of secularists. And what no one has noticed is that far from declining, the religious are expanding their share of the population; in fact, the more religious people are, the more children they have. The cumulative effect of immigration from religious countries and religious fertility will be to reverse the secularization process in the West. Not only will the religious eventually triumph over the non-religious, but it is those who are the most extreme in their beliefs who have the largest families.”

    What I found most fascinating about Longman’s analysis is that he is able to explain why he thinks religion will eventually triumph over secularism in purely Darwinian terms. Having a baby is, for most couples in the modern world, a choice, which reflects their personal values. “And so,” writes Longman, “by Darwinian process, those who adhere to traditions that preserve and celebrate the ancient injunction to ‘go forth and multiply’ wind up putting more of their genes and ideas into the future than those who don’t.”

    I imagine that well-read atheists are already aware of these social trends, and I’m sure they are quite worried about them. On the one hand, atheists naturally want the percentage of people espousing their secular world-view to increase; on the other hand, most of them believe that the world already has too many people for the Earth to support – which is a natural consequence of an atheistic world-view, as I pointed out in a recent post. Now put yourselves in the atheists’ shoes: how do you think they would attempt to fight these trends? The only way they can achieve the dual objectives of keeping the world’s population down and boosting the percentage of atheists worldwide is to target the fertility of highly religious people. I can think of a few fairly obvious ways in which they might attempt to do that, and because these measures are, in my opinion, politically feasible, I don’t share Longman’s certainty that religion will inevitably triumph over secularism. Some of these measures are either currently being implemented or are already well in place in many countries; other measures are a decade or two down the track. Well, here’s my list. Recognize any of these in your country of residence?

    •Conduct censuses as zealously as possible, in order to keep tabs on locations in one’s country where religious ideas are being actively propagated. Prosecute “census resisters” to the full extent of the law, as many of these people are religiously motivated. In cases where evidence emerges that the resisters are vocally religious, remove the children from the custody of their parents. In subsequent public statements made to the press, cite fears that the children may be subjected to psychological abuse if left in the care of their parents, who will already be stigmatized as “outlaws” in the public eye, after being “named and shamed” on television.
    •Outlaw home schooling. Home-schooled children are virtually impervious to government indoctrination. As many of them come from a religious background at home, they also tend to have larger families when they get married. In order to drum up public and political support for a total ban on home schooling, orchestrate a campaign in the press and on television, featuring politicians, concerned parents and recognized “experts” on child welfare who argue strongly that home schooling stunts children’s social development and therefore constitutes a form of child abuse. Support this argument with an appeal to examples of “enlightened” countries in Europe which have already banned home-schooling. Finally, belittle or discredit any studies (see here, here and here) purporting to demonstrate that in fact, home-schooled children are in fact better adjusted socially than children who attend school, and that their parents tend to be more affluent and better-educated (see here) than the general population.
    •Extend the number of hours that children are required to spend at school, in order to maximize their exposure to values other than those they receive in the home, and minimize the amount of time parents have to inculcate religious beliefs into their children. For example: introduce free after-school care, or broaden the school curriculum to include after-school activities, or strongly encourage students to join after-school clubs.
    •Introduce compulsory “values” classes into public schools, and inculcate children with the notion that any kind of judgmentalism regarding other people’s chosen lifestyles is totally unacceptable. At a later stage, school principals would be instructed to refuse to allow students to graduate, unless they publicly pledge not to promote bigotry of any kind, and further pledge their belief that all lifestyles in which the parties involved freely consent, are of equal moral value. This pledge could be implemented as a graduation pledge which each student would be required to sign and recite aloud. Highly religious students who refused to take the pledge would thereby be rendered unable to obtain a steady job, reducing their chances of finding a spouse and having children.
    •Introduce compulsory classes on “religious tolerance” into public schools, in which religions are compared and contrasted in a manner which allows teachers to highlight the atrocities practiced by religions in the past, leaving students with the unmistakable impression that religions represent a fossilized way of thinking, and that science is the way of the future.
    •Deny government funding to religious schools that teach any kind of “bigotry.” Leave the term “bigotry” as vague as possible in legal judgments, in the beginning. As time progresses, issue a series of legal decisions, enlarging the list of ideas that can be classified as bigotry, so that in effect, religious schools receiving government funding end up teaching a form of “secular lite,” which is always about 15 years behind current social trends, and therefore relatively innocuous from a secular perspective, while at the same time retaining limited appeal for parents who want their children brought up with “old-fashioned” values.
    •Enact laws guaranteeing free access to birth control (including abortion) at school as a fundamental human right for all students over the age of 12, who attend public schools. Gradually extend the scope of these laws to religious schools receiving any form of government funding. (I’d predict that most of these schools will probably comply, so long as the medical professional who is legally responsible for providing abortifacient pills – such as RU-486 – to students on request is someone who is not employed by the school.) Finally, extend the laws to cover independent schools as well. (Offer them an “out”: if parents object to abortifacient pills being doled out on school grounds, the school will be required to put up notices telling students that they are legally entitled to these services, and also to allow a government-appointed medical counselor to work at the school, who can arrange for students to get free transport to a nearby school providing these services, if they request them.)
    Encourage the passage of laws which make the possession of a college degree essential for getting almost any kind of job. College is an ideal time to weaken religious belief, as many young people give up their religion permanently during their college years. College also people to be exposed to a milieu where Darwinism is widely accepted, and where publicly expressed doubts can be “ironed out.”
    •Enact legislative measures disallowing childless couples from adopting a child if they intend to bring that child up in a faith which encourages any kind of “bigotry” or “intolerance” (see here for a recent example). Leave these terms undefined in the original legislation, but in subsequent legal cases, render “clarifying” decisions, to the effect that any kind of religious exclusivism or moral judgmentalism which is expressed in a couple’s home (e.g. recitation of a religious creed during family prayers, or pro-life wall posters, or even condemnation of abortion at the family dinner table) can be regarded as legitimate grounds for denying that couple the right to adopt a child.
    •At a later stage, enact laws extending the same “protection” to all children, regardless of whether they are adopted or not. (After all, if adoptive children have the right to be brought up in a bigotry-free household, don’t all children?)
    •At a still later stage, enact laws allowing social workers to take children away by force from their parents (natural or adopted), if there is sufficient evidence that they are being raised in a household that encourages any form of “bigotry.” By this stage, parents will be too frightened to inculcate their children with religious or moral beliefs that run counter to secular practice – e.g. the highly judgmental moral belief that killing a fetus is tantamount to homicide, or the religious belief that God commanded people to be fruitful and multiply.
    •Citing concerns about children’s welfare following a string of highly publicized cases of child neglect reported in the press, introduce laws requiring all expecting mothers to submit to a home inspection by a suitably qualified social worker, with a follow-up interview, in order to ascertain that they can offer their child a home that meets government health and safety requirements. The real intent of these laws would be to make it as difficult as possible for parents to have four or more children. For example, if the laws stipulated that every child has the right to his/her own bedroom and PC, parents who lacked the financial resources to buy or rent a 5-bedroom house would feel pressured into terminating their fourth pregnancy, especially if threatened with legal action if they did not comply with government requirements.
    •Reduce the flow of immigration from highly religious countries to a trickle. If immigration becomes economically necessary at some future stage, when the proportion of elderly people becomes too high for a shrinking population of workers to support, give preference to immigrants from countries which score low on a “religiosity scale,” as their children will be easier to indoctrinate with secular humanist ideas, including Darwinism.
    •Offer an incentive to desperate families in Third World countries wishing to migrate to Western countries: give preference to families in which the parents are willing to allow their children to spend large amounts of time in extra-curricular activities at public schools (e.g. summer camps). This will reduce their exposure to home influences, such as religion, and increase their exposure to secular humanist ideas. Alternatively, give preference to families where the parents are willing to let their children have a PC (provided gratis by the State) in their bedrooms, with Internet access.
    •Strive to eliminate pro-life laws in Third World countries by showering them with economic aid, and then threatening to cut off said aid if the government does not enact more “liberal” laws. Ditto for other laws that go against the secular social agenda. Another good tactic: wait for an unforeseen economic disaster to hit each of these countries (as such a disaster will inevitably hit any country, if one is patient enough), and then offer a “rescue package” with strings attached: namely, the passage of socially “progressive” laws which make abortion legally available.

    •If the geopolitical demise of the secular West as the dominant political power bloc becomes imminent (as it will in the next thirty years), encourage the transfer of economic, military, scientific and technological assistance to the upcoming world power whose values most closely approximate the secular agenda, thereby enabling the “meme” of secular humanism to retain global hegemony.

    I would like to emphasize that I’m not talking about any crazy conspiracy theories here. I believe that all of the measures I’ve outlined above have a good chance of becoming “mainstream” and widely accepted in Western countries within the next 20 or 30 years, if they are not already. The “revolution” will happen right under our nose. However, I imagine I’ve probably overlooked a few more techniques that could be used to propagate secular humanism and its “enabler,” Darwinism, and at the same time inhibit the fertility of religious people. Perhaps readers would care to add some of their “proposed measures” to my list?

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    tragic mishap

    11/28/2010

    10:52 pm
    I like Richard Dawkins’ idea myself. He suggests that teaching children religion should be legally considered as child abuse.

    http://richarddawkins.net/arti.....hild-abuse

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    tragic mishap

    11/28/2010

    10:53 pm
    In the article Dawkins claims to not actually be advocating a legal approach. Of course not, it’s just a hypothetical.

    http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/freethinking/

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    GilDodgen

    11/28/2010

    11:17 pm
    Introduce compulsory classes on “religious tolerance” into public schools, in which religions are compared and contrasted in a manner which allows teachers to highlight the atrocities practiced by religions in the past

    How about compulsory classes concerning explicitly atheistic Marxism which was responsible for the deaths of more than 100,000,000 people under Stalin, Lenin, and Mao?

    Introduce compulsory “values” classes into public schools, and inculcate children with the notion that any kind of judgmentalism regarding other people’s chosen lifestyles is totally unacceptable.

    Of course, there is one exception: Judgmentalism regarding conservative Christian values is perfectly acceptable and encouraged. In the newspeak of the secular left, intolerance becomes tolerance, and inclusivity means excluding those with whom they do not agree.

    This is poison. As many UD readers know, I am a former secular-humanist, militant atheist. I mention this to emphasize that for 43 years I lived under the curse of this hideously destructive lie. I don’t want anyone else to go through what I went through.

    If the atheistic secular humanists have their way, it will mean the collapse of Western Judeo-Christian civilization, and the suffering and misery that will ensue will be indescribable.

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    nullasalus

    11/29/2010

    12:15 am
    This seems relevant.

    In the above link, Susan Blackmore concedes that religion is not a “virus of the mind” either in a moral sense or an evolutionary sense. Nevermind that this is all going according to a model I think is flawed and silly (the ‘meme’ thing), but it’s pretty noteworthy considering she was one of the main boosters of the idea.

    Also noteworthy is her failing to realize that, given the data, atheism should be considered a ‘virus of the mind’ under her own view.

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    Kyrilluk

    11/29/2010

    3:33 am
    Ban religious from teaching.

    And if it still doesn’t work, organise a genocide in order to restore peace and security (after all, the religious people are responsible for all the wars). Pol Pot will probably become a great leader in the future, a great visionary who wasn’t understood in his time.

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    allanius

    11/29/2010

    8:04 am
    Well, well, it isn’t really the command to go forth and multiply that accounts for the fertility of the religious. It’s hope.

    Atheists inhabit a hopeless world. Since they believe in nothing, they are afraid of everything. God does not exist. No one is in control. “The center cannot hold.”

    It is not love of the environment that stops them from procreating. Nor in most cases is it simple materialism or self-centeredness. It is the fear of bringing children into a world that seems doomed for destruction.

    Contraception, hailed in its day as a means of liberation, has unintended consequences. Given the power to choose, atheists choose not to procreate. The glorification of sex leads to a new kind of slavery and to death.

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    vjtorley

    11/29/2010

    9:11 am
    tragic mishap

    Thanks for the links. Richard Dawkins is right to highlight the psychological scarring caused by a religious upbringing in which the child is led to believe that he/she (or a childhood friend) is likely to end up in Hell. But the cure for bad religion isn’t no religion; it’s true religion.

    I find it difficult to imagine a worse kind of child abuse than telling a child that he/she is a machine, with no free will.

    Much as I detest atheism, however, I believe it is a parent’s natural right to instruct their child about right, wrong and the meaning of life, as they see it, even if their vision is fundamentally wrong. Children love and trust their parents more than anyone else in the world, so they are the ones who should be entrusted with the task of answering the child’s ultimate questions about life.

    Dawkins’ petition is not likely to be codified into law in the next 20 years, but it may become the law of the land within the next 50 years, if present trends continue.

    I think everyone realizes that for young children, religion is a matter of habit before it becomes a consciously articulated belief. Children copy what their parents do in a house of worship, and they learn the reason for it later. Banning the inculcation of habit-forming religious behavior would cause religion to wither on the vine. That’s why Dawkins is so keen on such a van.

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    vjtorley

    11/29/2010

    9:16 am
    Gil Dodgen

    Thank you for your kind remarks on my post. You hit the nail on the head with your comment on anti-judgmentalism: it’s a self-refuting position.

    Few indeed are the atheists who acknowledge the essential intolerance of their world-view. Most of them try to wiggle out of Marxist atrocities.

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    vjtorley

    11/29/2010

    9:23 am
    nullasalus

    Thanks very much for the link to the Susan Blackmore interview. She’s certainly an intellectually honest woman, and I admire her for that, even if I disagree with her stance on religion and the after-life.

    The “virus” analogy for religion was never a good one, but it’s now apparent that the analogy is totally inept.

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    vjtorley

    11/29/2010

    9:31 am
    allanius

    Reading your remark, “Atheists live in a hopeless world,” I was reminded by what one recently converted ex-atheist, Jennifer Fulwiler, wrote about hope in her blog post, Finding Rest. The post is a real eye-opener, as it vividly describes the mental universe inhabited by those with no religious belief.

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    nullasalus

    11/29/2010

    10:54 am
    vjtorley,

    She’s certainly an intellectually honest woman, and I admire her for that, even if I disagree with her stance on religion and the after-life.

    On this, I have to disagree at least in part. Notice that she abandoned her ‘religion is a virus of the mind’ claim due to comparative data – religious people performed better according to the data in an evolutionary sense, and in a social sense. So she still thinks her model is true in the sense that this or that type of belief can be a ‘virus of the mind’.

    The problem is, again… this was comparative data. And she was comparing the religious to the irreligious. In this case, it would mean that not only is religion not a mind-virus – but secularism, atheism, and general irreligiosity *is*, according to her own model.

    So she only goes half-way. It’s as if it never occurred to her that it’s even possible for atheism to be a virus.

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    tragic mishap

    11/29/2010

    11:27 am
    Banning the inculcation of habit-forming religious behavior would cause religion to wither on the vine. That’s why Dawkins is so keen on such a van.

    Of course. Dawkins doesn’t care about child abuse. He believes it’s unfair that religious people outnumber atheists when his point of view is obviously the rational one that everyone would choose if they weren’t conditioned against it. He wants to level the playing field so his side can win. The funny thing is, even if he gets his wish, I sincerely doubt the world would end up rejecting religion.

    I find it difficult to imagine a worse kind of child abuse than telling a child that he/she is a machine, with no free will.

    How do you mean this? I’m in a discussion right now with an atheist who is telling me that Christianity doesn’t allow for free will. I assume you mean the opposite.

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    bornagain77

    11/29/2010

    12:02 pm
    GilDodgen this may interest you,

    Personal Testimony of ‘recovering’ atheists at William Lane Craig’s defenders class:
    http://www.hieropraxis.com/201.....r-atheist/