No, No, we are preaching something very different

It's good to examine the two mindsets. Romans 12.2
One is Light
One claims to be Light,a knowledge about Dark and Light.....but hey, actually is Darkness. How.about that?
Here is one.major.difference. Taoism stands.for every other religion, even untrue versions of.Christianity where you fight an old.Man. It states you have to have good and bad.
Here is an amazing thing. The concept that one day,.as the Israelites.faced their new land Canaan......One day there would be no.enemies in it. Broadly speaking without getting into peripheries thiswas.absolutely so.
One.day book of.Daniel.says the Rock shall smash the feet of.iron and clay of the great image.
No other religion dares stick it's neck out like that. No other faith is that stupid.
But this is the mindset of the Lord.
As.surely as I live all the Earth shall.be filled with the knowledge of the glory of The Lord.
Now if you.are.an evangelical.Christian this can never happen this side of Jesus coming back. If however you are a true Christian who actually listens to Jesus, you hear His words stinging right through your being and like Morris Cerullo you preach what He said.
The son of Man is made manifest to destroy all the works of the devil.
Now forgive me,Mr. evangelical, but that sounded past tense to me and it sounded like we.have to make use of it?
Like.when Jesus.first words.of ministry were
" the Kingdom of.heaven is at hand "
and his Name is.Emmanuel (God actually with us)........and we pray. thy Kingdom Come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.....
I don't see any riders on any of those.statements about Jesus coming back.first. If you can find.One? If you can tell me how.your type of gospel was at all relevant to early apostles overturning the whole of.Europe in their path, I would be glad to hear from you, but otherwise I would.get the hell out of your churches because you are the Taoists of the Christian religion.....saying bad has to exist.
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Kim Ilene More than conquerers comes to mind. Not good guys vs. bad guys, but conquerer is all there is. Selah.

Or to put it another way... (2nd Facebook Instalment)
(carrying on about total victory).
The Union crowd are not going to like this, but i am not sure Norman Grubb is accurate quite here....
He has taken from Taoism
He has taken from Hegelian thinking
and yes he is right about having faith for opposites....and this is how we get the experience of knowing
hot from cold
soft from hard
peace from disturbance....EXCEPT
The New Creation IS NOT A SYNTHESIS OF WHAT IS ALREADY THERE!!!!!!
THE NEW CREATION DOESN'T EXIST BEFORE IT ARRIVES.
Let;s take a real world example : Stan Warren
And his praying wife Averil Warren. (leaders of Emsworth Church)
Stan was from Grays Essex.
His genealogy contained divorce....before it was fashionable. Like many in Essex, he had that violent streak.
But he and Averil went to Australia on that 60s package offer.
Stan also started looking into philosophy, in a similar vein to Rob Rufus doing a search and ending up in Hinduism as a priest, just prior to salvation.
But still Stan and Averil's marriage was falling apart.
Averil prayed every day for Stan.
In one day the miracle happened. Stan met some missionaries on the way back to England on the ship. Stan was so challenged by what was in these guys lives, that he prayed to God in his cabin...."If you are there....come into my life."
Now Stan wasn't some "good husband" after conversion. He received Divine life. He propelled he and his wife on a totally new course, one that hadn't even existed in England before.
He laid hands on the sick and they recovered. He delivered many people from demons and strongholds.
But he was one of the world's few pioneers in discipling young men and women with his wife into this new way of LIVING, that is NON RELIGIOUS SPIRIT LIVING. He could genuinely say to us "Follow Me".....because in the late 1970s light that he had, he had found Christ and was imparting Christ as we lived alongside him 24 hours a day.
None of this American Oral Roberts seminary rubbish. When did Oral live with anybody? Stan shared his whole family, agenda and life with us, as the first of a completely new generation of ministry. LIFE MINISTRY.
GOD DID NOT ANSWER AVERIL'S PRAYER AND CREATE A GOOD MARRIAGE.
GOD ANSWERED AVERIL'S PRAYER AND CREATED A MAN FROM ANOTHER WORLD .... A CHRIST BEING....
Stan wasn't some kind of Bad marriage , Ideal marriage synthesis. He was part of a new order sent by God himself.
Emsworth really was for a while the prototype of THIRDLEVEL LIVING (1jOHN 2 FATHER LEVEL STUFF) CRASHLANDING IN PROTOTYPE FORM IN BRITAIN.
Whenever a Satanic trait was manifesting in any of the 20 of us in Bible House, Averil's simple phrase was never....
God get rid of that bad temper.....or whatever...
It was God give them more of Jesus.
Jesus isn't a synthesis of anything....
He is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD
the LAST ADAM
the invading order of Melchizedek
Being born in us...
If you have no money and are praying for money
If you have a bad marriage and are praying for a good marriage
If you have a bad car and are praying for a better car....
Be like the JEWS......and fix your eyes on Abraham's sands
GO ELSEWHERE.....
THIS LANDING SPOT THAT WE ARE CLEARING IS FOR A TOTALLY ALIEN KINGDOM ARRIVING ON PLATFORM 9 3/4......
ONE THAT WILL EAT YOUR ENTIRE PREVIOUS EXISTENCE ON EARTH FOR BREAKFAST......AND PROPEL YOU OUT OF THE THRONE, CO SEATED WITH JESUS....FROM THERE.

A Syn and Melchizedek summary.Part VIII

I have now made this From the Mystery of Sin to the Mystery of Syn Part VIII

The two recent series dovetail into one another and I wanted to hammer home a few of my findings over the years.

The word Pathology means the branch of medical science that studies the causes and nature and effects of diseases .

Living a more or less continuous stretch of my life in Christian community, brought me face up to the window with my own spiritual pathology and that of a community's. I wanted to find an answer. I had to find an answer. I believed from the Word that there was an answer. But I was aware that we hadn't found it. Not in our daily living.

One of the best early keys came from a leadership couple called Stan and Averil Warren. They seemed streets ahead in this living business which is why they were chosen to lead the Bible House.

Stan taught from Amos "Seek Me and Live". In other words any failure, or any attempt at moving on into our vision of what we wanted from life was going to come out of our Seeking God.
And I would have to say that most of us found a lot from God in this way. Firsthand. On our insides. And not by rote-learning off other people teaching techniques.In fact when I got the breakthrough I was looking for,this was eventually how it came. I only subsequently learned through Norman Grubb and his Zerubbabel group about "what had happened" and was able to verbalise it in the 1989 tape "Third level Christianity".

Averil used to say something interesting. Whenever we made errors in the house, or bondages in our life were being exposed....she wasn't primarily interested with just getting those issues right.
She would say simply "We need to pray God into that area of your life. You just need more of God."

Subsequently I have found out more about the detail of why these two details are absolutely correct. So rather than learning completely new stuff and starting some new weird sect or something, I'd describe it in the words of Ed Miller as just "turning the light switch on" in a room I already knew.

Sheila Atchley had an alternative image for my one about "the suspended orb of God's Word". She used the picture of a curtain rod. You've got the flowing and beautiful line of a curtain, but only because it is tensioned correctly overhead with a curtain rod.

In February I was restringing a Bechstein piano in Kegworth and only had one week to do all the strings, all the hammers ,all the dampers and then regulate the thing so that the new parts worked properly....oh and tune the thing to stability a gazillion times!!! And I facebooked people saying how tough it was "re-stringing when the tuning pins had not arrived". Because Bechsteins
have these little fixing holes in things called "agraffes", I was able to cut some of the strings to length at least, and have them sitting there loosely in position.But they do tend to flop around and obstruct each other.

So what's the punchline? Yup. The strings need to be tensioned by the presence of tuning pins at the other end. Maybe they are not up to full tension yet. For that you have to have restrung the whole piano! The whole piano shares the downstrain evenly so that one portion is not overtensioned. A fully tuned midsize Bechstein has a collective tension of 25 tons! (that by the way is another prophetic Church image)

But even putting strings on, there has to be this tension in order that strings do not foul each other.

How does that relate to us? Well, for grace teaching to really work on our insides and produce the Jesus life, we do need covenant. We do need law! But not this time as a tool for condemnation to show us our need for a Saviour. This time it is the leveraging tool that Christ uses to believe "Who we are" against.
Imagine a hippy called "Death" who a couple of us met in Amersham,round his house,witnessing to him.I was 15 or 16. The guy didn't believe in paying his way. Didn't believe in working. He had taken over a couple's house and was squatting in it. He only believed in medicating his feelings with hash. He didn't believe in marriage, only living with who he chose when he chose. If his partner had kids, then as long as it suited him he would sort of be some kind of parental figure.
Until the child crossed his will, and would be bundled out of his way.

What was going on here? He was one of the most extreme versions I have ever met of a guy who was stripping his life of every covenantal boundary. Milder versions are now everywhere you look.
People think freedom is not being shown up for being what you are. A lazy,good for nothing,non- producing,selfish ,twisted, non-relational island who demands the whole of external humanity meets him on his terms and only his terms...or stuff them all!
Death had tried to rid himself of all external measuring devices which would read back to him what an idiot he was.

We need covenantal measuring devices. They are good for our lives. This is one of the functions of the local Body of Christ. To be light to us. About ourselves.
But unless local believers know who they are in Christ, you get the opposite extreme occurring whereby far from being a House after the Order of Melchizedek who are helping you with the very real covenantal issues of life/family job etc. they are making up laws of "tithing mint and cummin". They are tethering your life to all sorts of false covenants that work to destroy your life and keep you from the very real covenantal responsibilities God has given you.

Which brings us to 2 important questions which at first seem unrelated.

Why is Body life not the same as socialism?
And is Pariotism a good or bad thing?

Here is the answer to both.
If each individual is living his or her life as Christ as me in my form...Body life is Syn Life...is collective divine life....you're living out a mystery together. And Patriotism is the healthy expression of corporate life on a national scale.

But conversely..
if each individual does not know he or she has died with Christ and his or her life is now hidden with Christ in God the Father.....
then put that bunch together and you get socialism. You might as well be atheists. You will be expressing the life of your father the devil just as ably as any Russia or China under communism.
And your collective Patriotism will be a "super" representation of your false ego image of being a god in your own right, either expressed in a Russian or Chinese form of demonstrating your atom bombs through your streets on a yearly basis, or in the more benign but even more deceived version of America, appointing itself as Big Brother nation to defend other causes,(but only when oil runs out, or its own interests are threatened) namely Iraq, but not Zimbabwe or North Korea for instance. This deceit was ofcourse highlighted 20 years ago in the album "Joshua Tree " by U2.

So to the Free Believer's network I would say the answer to bad church is not no church, it is rather church run in the order of Melchizedek.