Corporate living as Christians or anyone for that matter(read about the New Age community at Findhorn, and see the faces of your average nuns and monks) doesn't work without Norman Grubb's message, which is Paul's message and Jesus message....but Jesus wasn't in a situation to be able to explain it best.....so He carried on lecturing through Paul.
So I always tell the Union folk there are two Biblical models and the Church....the proper one...is God's real method in Rev 12
1. Method 1....most saints so far
The Hewn out secretly in the quarry method
Then at the right time the Holy Spirit glides you together and you function seamlessly..... we saw protoypes in Fort Lauderdale bunch (to begin with).....and here in the 1970s London housechurch leaders...(to begin with). (The picture of stone slabs cut perfectly away from the Temple site then put together with no noise)
Method 2.
The Jesus and the disciples method.
The rattling of bones for 3 years
Painful....but quick
Has to be a thirdlevel church.....because first and secondlevel churches don't "get" the depth of the Romans 6 and 7 excavations
They are far too naive....like Peter's statement
I will never betray you Jesus
Jesus said you will.....and all before the cock crows....in other words....you won't even make the night out!!!!!!
Showing posts with label Christian community. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Christian community. Show all posts
Sunday, 11 October 2015
Monday, 30 March 2015
Discrediting the idea of Christian community
Please be aware that Bugbrook, Waco and Jonesville HAD to be discredited.
In 1972 we fell in love with each other. BIG TIME. People all over the world. NOPE. This wasn't Hippies. That was 5 or 6 years earlier. No....this was far more dangerous to the New World Order. Thousands upon endless thousands were baptised in the Spirit that year. My wife was in Alfreton and set about leading her school to Jesus. Me too in Amersham.
My friend too...in High Wycombe. I didn't know Christine....but those who did know each other fell in love....enough to be in each others' houses continually. My High Wycombe friend joined Bugbrooke (Jesus Army) and this was the subject of the TV programme in the 70s, which led to the discrediting programme in the 90s. The precise week I joined Emsworth Church and then Bible House community Jim Jones was getting everyone to drink cyanide.So imagine....my Mum was in her car straight away to check our own community immediately. Both Jonesville and Waco it turns out were CIA jobs. Bugbrooke was the sort of midlife crisis of "rattling bones".....the sort that the disciples actually managed to live right through with Jesus and come out the other side. But one thing is for sure....House of Rothschild will not tolerate Christians behaving like Acts 2. Churches as we have them now, he will put up with and seek to secretly subvert with false agents....but if enough people start living life as the Body of Christ....that spells Termination for their entire project. Non christians are superb. They all live separately like hamsters in cages, content to work their workaday existence, never asking questions and believing everything in the Rothschild owned media....but Christians....giving freely to each other....well that messes the whole tax collection system via City of London and the Vatican. And that just cannot happen.
Bugbrooke or Jesus Army today
In 1972 we fell in love with each other. BIG TIME. People all over the world. NOPE. This wasn't Hippies. That was 5 or 6 years earlier. No....this was far more dangerous to the New World Order. Thousands upon endless thousands were baptised in the Spirit that year. My wife was in Alfreton and set about leading her school to Jesus. Me too in Amersham.
My friend too...in High Wycombe. I didn't know Christine....but those who did know each other fell in love....enough to be in each others' houses continually. My High Wycombe friend joined Bugbrooke (Jesus Army) and this was the subject of the TV programme in the 70s, which led to the discrediting programme in the 90s. The precise week I joined Emsworth Church and then Bible House community Jim Jones was getting everyone to drink cyanide.So imagine....my Mum was in her car straight away to check our own community immediately. Both Jonesville and Waco it turns out were CIA jobs. Bugbrooke was the sort of midlife crisis of "rattling bones".....the sort that the disciples actually managed to live right through with Jesus and come out the other side. But one thing is for sure....House of Rothschild will not tolerate Christians behaving like Acts 2. Churches as we have them now, he will put up with and seek to secretly subvert with false agents....but if enough people start living life as the Body of Christ....that spells Termination for their entire project. Non christians are superb. They all live separately like hamsters in cages, content to work their workaday existence, never asking questions and believing everything in the Rothschild owned media....but Christians....giving freely to each other....well that messes the whole tax collection system via City of London and the Vatican. And that just cannot happen.
Bugbrooke or Jesus Army today
Saturday, 29 September 2012
1 Corinthians 12 Fascism
This is hopefully a more light hearted post and before I start, if I crush a few toes, I really am not referring to anything I've just heard, or anything that has happened in my locality or on Facebook recently. But if the cap fits, wear it and chuck it in the bin!
I have written many posts about the positive and negative of 1 Corinthians 12.
The Body has Apps
1 Corinthians 12 again
The fascism referred to in the title is the condition Paul is describing when a body part says that because another body part is different then it has no need of it.
Which is basically a humorous idea! It's hilarious. Meant to be.
Because if our own bodies behaved as we do in the Body of Christ, it would be extremely bad news for our existence on earth as an individual!!!
I'm sorry that as yet I have no categorical blueprint as to what the 12 characteristics of the tribes of Israel and the corresponding 12 character traits of the disciples are, so we'll have to work with personal observations of people types in churches as they come to the Lord and DON'T really get to grips with what God is actually wanting to do with them.
For you see, every single one of us is geared to having God live through them to excel in certain characteristics which they are particularly well suited for. But we also know something of darkness. We still have tendencies to carry on living in old now defunct "independent self" mindframes, and in this condition we continue to impose "our way of thinking and seeing" upon other people as if it's a relevant guage of measurement for anyone else.
So how does this work?
The Musician and Creative Fascist
Well let's take me, a musician. Bono of U2 describes it well. We are divas. We love an audience. Because U2 have spent years battering the edges off each other (Except The Edge perhaps), Bono can speak lightheartedly about his tendencies.
You imagine, a musician who writes music and finds that it moves people powerfully. That they love it. That they love you for it.
Now if that's not intoxicating enough, imagine it all hyped up into the stratosphere as God anoints you with the Spirit, to sing songs prophetically off the cuff. To inspire you with songs that you just know you were not capable of writing....or at the very least...not to order. And that these songs are deemed worthy of publishing, or people buying CDs.
How incredible that is! Then add to that that God Himself. The God of the Universe has determined that praisers and worshippers, musicians, creatives....like the Tribe of Judah....GO FIRST.
So take this into the independent self realm, and you begin to understand how the first worshipleader, Lucifer himself....gets it so wrong....completely oversteps the limit....and all his musical followers do the same.
Now imagine a whole generation like ours who God chooses to bring forth a new revelation about worship and praise through. The calling is legitimate ofcourse....BUT THE FASCISM ISN'T.
And so in this very day and age God is having to counteract this very fascism.
The Be all and End All of Church is not worship in the form of singing songs. Worship is huge, and it is the subject of my new worship series. But that which God is bringing forth in his Church concerns the birth of His Son into every area of life.
There is however a natural filter system in life for musicians, creatives and prophetic people. Quite often they are inept at many practical sides of life and this is constantly pointed out. The other thing is that outside the context of meetings and listening to music, music as a subject is nearly irrelevant, especially in a country as leftbrain as England is.
Finally, have you ever heard a musician or prophetic character talk naturally? Everyone else talks normally in a linear fashion. They say what they mean and build their conversation in easy to follow stages.
Someone like St John in his gospel represents this other type of person. They talk in parallel all at once. It's like having 5 completely different ideas land in the same sentence at the same time!!! It's as though while a normal person has a normal fuel feed to his head, the creative has a huge thick fuel lead which in turn within it has five separate pipes, and people are meant to be able to follow this simultaneous gush of information. Well, it may work in poetry, or in sung poetry, like Suzanne Vega, or Shakespeare plays, or in prophetic utterance, but it sure as anything won't get you far at Tescos!!!! So this helps counteract Musician Fascism enormously!!!
The Teacher Fascist
In a leftbrain culture this has come to mean a leftbrain articulate person who can string together ideas in a logical fashion, even when they shouldn't be. And they impose this on other Christians.
They are really necessary so they are found in all areas of learning, including outside of pure education , in work environments, and the media.
Just as the musician is undergoing a role redefinition in the third level, so will the role of the teacher.
Daniel Yordy and I have already observed this some 30 years ago, so we are not saying anything strikingly new, it's just the rest of the church didn't know the third level exists so it comes as news to them.
In a Greco-Roman based world, teachers have a clearly defined leftbrain template. The Hebrew perception of teaching was far more rounded, as is understood in the Eastern world ; for it has to do with wisdom, or application of knowledge, and deep and penetrative insight into who we are as humans. In a secular environment where we are more or less understood to be thinking machines with no spiritual element , or if this is acknowledged it is more or less assumed to be part of the substratum of the same brain machinery, so much of what the Holy Spirit, who has come to lead us into all truth teaches, largely by revelation, is absolutely meaningless to Westerners.
Sadly in the first two church worlds, three, if you include the secular church world,
Level 0....cultural Christianity by philosophy
Level 1 ...the evangelical world
Level 2...the pentecostal/charismatic Christian world
teaching takes this sole leftbrain form.
Probably the extreme form of ludicrousy is when the Catholic Charismatic Renewal at Ann Arbor, followed by John Wimber in his dicipleship manual, tried to reduce teachings on the Holy Spirit-filled life to a Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil format, eminently titled
Living in the Spirit Seminars.
Some measure of this was repeated through Selwyn Hughes teaching seminars.
I must stress, as in the modern day Alpha Courses which have penetrated traditional UK churches so effectively, that ALL of these courses have served a real function and were reflective more of where the church was at at the time. But overall it IS A FORM OF FASCISM to which the third level church, or mature version of church is not CALLED. It's passing the GRECO-ROMAN mindset right through what is really a totally NEW CREATION that has never been truly seen on the Earth in any fulness....
A Body of multinational believers ALL IN UNION with their Saviour, expressing Him through spirit,mind,will,emotions, and body.
The Teacher already has his come uppance in recent years as the discoveries in brain research have begun to weaken their domination over the Body of Christ. Frequently, and rightly, they are observed to be "anal" in their attention to the minutest detail. Now in some cases this is important, because of the phrase "the devil is in the detail". But teachers don't seem to be fitted with an off switch. They seem to have poor empathy skills, concerned primarily with getting their teaching across, whether anyone is even mildly interested or not.
Very rightbrained individuals and also very empathetic individuals who are also quite poor at articulating to any complicated degree, have suffered over centuries from teachers, who have been given way too much prominance in place of other humble souls who have got on for years helping others and serving them.
The Evangelist Fascist
I have yet to meet an evangelist who has the vision of the Body of Christ.
Paul Noble may be the nearest in recent years who has both, and in time past, I felt that Stan Warren of Emsworth had some perception of both. Stan was to have gone off with his wife to the Australian Inland Mission but a Divine Encounter with some traffic and a hospital bed for both of them arrested their plans, and they came to Emsworth and submitted into learning about how the Body of Christ really operates under the teaching and impartation of Ian McCulloch, Ed Miller and Jorge Pradas.
You see, neither David Hathaway,Morris Cerullo and Rheinhard Bonnke seem to "get" what the Church is?
Just about all the evangelistic people on Facebook I talk with have the same problem.
Their understanding of the Church is completely fascistic. It's somewhere to tuck their new converts so they never have to bother with them again, while they go out and blast new converts in.
Well, honour where honour is due. Unless the gospel is preached how are people going to hear? And evangelists up until now know that most churches develop this insular, navel-gazing approach, and never actually reach people, so you can understand their total frustration.
My frustration ,and I think it's born from God's own heart, so it is also His frustration is that
EVANGELISTS DON'T PREACH THE GOSPEL.
They preach forgiveness.Now Jews used to preach forgiveness too, all while killing Jesus. Forgiveness represents approximately one tiny third of the gospel message.
Some are actually starting to understand that God IS ABOUT RECONCILING the world to Himself
since that is what HIS SON HAS ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED.
But that also falls short of the whole picture.
The whole picture MUST INCLUDE what went wrong in Genesis 3, and how completely and effectively the Cross has met that problem head on. I haven't yet met an evangelist who gets that to anywhere near the level that Norman Grubb defines in his lifelong faith resume here:
So evangelists in their current form are relics from a first and secondlevel church period, that manage to get the seed of Life into someone's heart, but really don't have the first clue what they just did, a bit like a sixteen year old who gets his hapless girlfriend pregnant, and they both stick the newborn child in some social adoption programme, to be raised impersonally and without any clear identity to who they are....which is ofcourse the church as organisation ...or as pile of unrelated bricks...which is the format we have on the streetcorners the world over.
So ofcourse evangelists become quite fascistic in their almost robotic, military herding style of scooping as many unsuspecting individuals into the herding pens as possible.
MOST EVANGELISTS HAVEN'T A CLUE THAT THEY ARE BIRTHING JESUS CHRIST IN AN INDIVIDUAL, THAT WERE THEY ACTUALLY TO GROW PROPERLY WOULD BE MORE THAN ABLE TO REPRODUCE CHURCHES OF THEMSELVES ALL OVER THE GLOBE WITHIN ONE GENERATION.....
there is a catch....
you actually need to have revelation about what all the New Testament letters are on about and not just head knowledge learned in a factory farm like
YWAM
or SEMINARIES
or Alpha Courses....
The CARING FASCIST
This is the social justice person gone mad....gone to the nth extreme.
There's a whole load of these on facebook. They are people who rightly, are frustrated at being totally overlooked in churches by imperious teachers and pastors, who, paid tithes, swan around in arecognised way in the communities, whereas often the people quietly getting on with Kingdom caring and pouring out themselves for others, are unfunded, poorly articulate themselves, and are often just taken for granted.
So, in reaction, they in turn become as fascistic in their approach to helping people as other ministries are in their areas. In the carers favour I have to say that the Bible says nothing about pastors or single figureheads heading up local churches. This is pure human invention and has no part in God's Melchizedek Church.
There are elders in God's church by virtue of knowing who they are in God, and being "elder" in the faith until the others around them become elder in their faith!
There are NO hard and fast guidelines to supporting or not of ministries. If you are being greatly used for a time, then you are going to find it hard to hold down a normal job....but perhaps things will steady out, or God will call you aside, and you can get some normal sort of employment again. Everything is fluid. St Paul went to virgin areas and wouldn't let any of them say that they paid for the gospel in any way....he completely funded himself, particularly in the early founding stages of a work.
Back to Carers.
Now I have some authority to say this because I have been a musician in many forms of God's church in the 70s and 80s, and twenty years ago felt to lay the whole thing down....partly to learn the third level, but more directly to learn that Chris Welch is Chris Welch. I was beginning to get an identitiy that was too wrapped up in the creative or prophetic things God did through me....but had to learn whether God never does a thing like that through me again, I am still God's Chris Welch. He in me is my identity and that is enough.
Most carers types I have met are doing their stuff for mixed motives. Some part of it is naturally "them". That is, as God created them. Some part of it is just works. They are driven to do something in a church system which largely exploits this in order that the pastors or church leaders can then "look more successful" as a church.
These sort of folk are the worst...oh especially when they are evangelistic as well.
They are the worst form of Salvation Army types.
But they also exist in most churches.
There will always be these tensions between all the different functions in the Body of Christ. Jesus Christ seems to have formed His church with the need for masses of Cross experience just to interrelate as His Body.
All kinds of tensions were running beneath the surface in the Gospels as the disciples learned to live together.
You even had Judas piling the pressure on when Mary "wasted" a whole years wages in perfume on Jesus feet. That money could have been given to the poor Jesus. (Then it hints that his real motivation was that he was the treasurer!!!)
Carers will always be putting pressure on to meet the very real needs of folk. In God this is right. When it's not God though it's a false fascism that ties up the rest of the Body who should be really getting on with what God is doing through them.
The LEADER/SALES/ADMINISTRATOR FASCIST
Now in any bunch of people leaders emerge.
They just think on a bigger organisational scale.
I was going to do a whole post just on this alone two years ago but never got around to it.
I was going to call it the QUARTERMASTER SYNDROME
This is an identifiable type that profit from other's hardship. In Dad's Army it was the spiv type character who always knew where the bargain offers were. Monetarily these people always station themselves in between supply and customer. It's a natural entrepreneurial streak. This would be the person who got the Quartermaster position in the services. They'd be in control of who got what.
On the large scale the 13 luciferian dynasties have positioned themselves at the gateway of all the main areas of our international dealings....education,monetary,political, artistic, etc etc A secretive council of 300 rule the entire world behind a glassfrontage of people we know, like President Obama, and our English politicians.
In any church the prophetic seems to fall foul of leadership.Leaders, as I said are the invention of God, because they have this natural flare for administration which works extremely well when you have a whole group of people trying to assert their own rights and needs.
One of the worst aspects of leader fascism is this FEEDBACK LOOP they get themselves into.
It works like this:
God honours leadership
God put me here
I am honoured
What may actually be happening is:
God has honoured this person as leader
I must submit faithfully to this leader
I get my identity in the reflection that comes from my relationship to this leader
He/she is honoured
Prophetic people who get their self-identification more from their quest for absolute truth
are a real pain to leadership fascists, because they seem quite rebellious, and don't seem to be
honoring that "very serious honour bestowed me by God Himself".
So instead of realising and honoring God in their own innate flare for getting a handle on the larger picture, the leader fascist sees everyone else through his own distorted lens of whether they have as much ability in leading. The ones who don't ofcourse are in some way lesser.
In other words the leader fascist measures everything by the size of pyramid of which he is the peak.
This is particularly dodgy in first and secondlevel churches.
Why so?
As we read in John 6, there comes a time in every Kingdom leader's life where they have to face the question of what the Gospel really is about. If they flunk it, they effectively lead the church in a 40 year wilderness journey which is totally without meaning and simply avoids the path designated by God to get them into the Land and exercising godly authority in their local area. Jesus DIDN'T Flunk IT, but to the leader fascist He behaved like a complete dork, because He lost all His multitude, except for 12 lonely looking disciples.
There are many very successful churches numerically on Facebook. There are many leaders who are experiencing great and encouraging additions to their flock. I have had leaders really looks down at me and calls into question my own "fruit". But I look straight at them and say "Yes, but have you actually ever spelled out John 6 to your own congregation?"
Ofcourse no first and secondlevel church have, they simply haven't had that revelation yet. This is the territory of the "exposure of the independent self"....and it is the one all fascist leaders back away from because it is not faced in their own lives.
To conclude then, there is ONLY ONE LIFE going on in the Universe. God. Who is self-giving Love.
If we live one iota outside of this Life expressing itself through us, then those assets which are our natural strengths and abilities start crossing the borderline that enters into a form of fascism. And it is this very fascism that hinders the Body from building each other up, and instead dissipates the power and the glory of the Body into the fractured mess we see today, with various relics of different very real moves of God distributed on every street corner.
"You DO NOT DISCERN THE BODY OF CHRIST ARIGHT. For this reason many of you are sick and some have already DIED."
I have written many posts about the positive and negative of 1 Corinthians 12.
The Body has Apps
1 Corinthians 12 again
The fascism referred to in the title is the condition Paul is describing when a body part says that because another body part is different then it has no need of it.
Which is basically a humorous idea! It's hilarious. Meant to be.
Because if our own bodies behaved as we do in the Body of Christ, it would be extremely bad news for our existence on earth as an individual!!!
I'm sorry that as yet I have no categorical blueprint as to what the 12 characteristics of the tribes of Israel and the corresponding 12 character traits of the disciples are, so we'll have to work with personal observations of people types in churches as they come to the Lord and DON'T really get to grips with what God is actually wanting to do with them.
For you see, every single one of us is geared to having God live through them to excel in certain characteristics which they are particularly well suited for. But we also know something of darkness. We still have tendencies to carry on living in old now defunct "independent self" mindframes, and in this condition we continue to impose "our way of thinking and seeing" upon other people as if it's a relevant guage of measurement for anyone else.
So how does this work?
The Musician and Creative Fascist
Well let's take me, a musician. Bono of U2 describes it well. We are divas. We love an audience. Because U2 have spent years battering the edges off each other (Except The Edge perhaps), Bono can speak lightheartedly about his tendencies.
You imagine, a musician who writes music and finds that it moves people powerfully. That they love it. That they love you for it.
Now if that's not intoxicating enough, imagine it all hyped up into the stratosphere as God anoints you with the Spirit, to sing songs prophetically off the cuff. To inspire you with songs that you just know you were not capable of writing....or at the very least...not to order. And that these songs are deemed worthy of publishing, or people buying CDs.
How incredible that is! Then add to that that God Himself. The God of the Universe has determined that praisers and worshippers, musicians, creatives....like the Tribe of Judah....GO FIRST.
So take this into the independent self realm, and you begin to understand how the first worshipleader, Lucifer himself....gets it so wrong....completely oversteps the limit....and all his musical followers do the same.
Now imagine a whole generation like ours who God chooses to bring forth a new revelation about worship and praise through. The calling is legitimate ofcourse....BUT THE FASCISM ISN'T.
And so in this very day and age God is having to counteract this very fascism.
The Be all and End All of Church is not worship in the form of singing songs. Worship is huge, and it is the subject of my new worship series. But that which God is bringing forth in his Church concerns the birth of His Son into every area of life.
There is however a natural filter system in life for musicians, creatives and prophetic people. Quite often they are inept at many practical sides of life and this is constantly pointed out. The other thing is that outside the context of meetings and listening to music, music as a subject is nearly irrelevant, especially in a country as leftbrain as England is.
Finally, have you ever heard a musician or prophetic character talk naturally? Everyone else talks normally in a linear fashion. They say what they mean and build their conversation in easy to follow stages.
Someone like St John in his gospel represents this other type of person. They talk in parallel all at once. It's like having 5 completely different ideas land in the same sentence at the same time!!! It's as though while a normal person has a normal fuel feed to his head, the creative has a huge thick fuel lead which in turn within it has five separate pipes, and people are meant to be able to follow this simultaneous gush of information. Well, it may work in poetry, or in sung poetry, like Suzanne Vega, or Shakespeare plays, or in prophetic utterance, but it sure as anything won't get you far at Tescos!!!! So this helps counteract Musician Fascism enormously!!!
The Teacher Fascist
In a leftbrain culture this has come to mean a leftbrain articulate person who can string together ideas in a logical fashion, even when they shouldn't be. And they impose this on other Christians.
They are really necessary so they are found in all areas of learning, including outside of pure education , in work environments, and the media.
Just as the musician is undergoing a role redefinition in the third level, so will the role of the teacher.
Daniel Yordy and I have already observed this some 30 years ago, so we are not saying anything strikingly new, it's just the rest of the church didn't know the third level exists so it comes as news to them.
In a Greco-Roman based world, teachers have a clearly defined leftbrain template. The Hebrew perception of teaching was far more rounded, as is understood in the Eastern world ; for it has to do with wisdom, or application of knowledge, and deep and penetrative insight into who we are as humans. In a secular environment where we are more or less understood to be thinking machines with no spiritual element , or if this is acknowledged it is more or less assumed to be part of the substratum of the same brain machinery, so much of what the Holy Spirit, who has come to lead us into all truth teaches, largely by revelation, is absolutely meaningless to Westerners.
Sadly in the first two church worlds, three, if you include the secular church world,
Level 0....cultural Christianity by philosophy
Level 1 ...the evangelical world
Level 2...the pentecostal/charismatic Christian world
teaching takes this sole leftbrain form.
Probably the extreme form of ludicrousy is when the Catholic Charismatic Renewal at Ann Arbor, followed by John Wimber in his dicipleship manual, tried to reduce teachings on the Holy Spirit-filled life to a Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil format, eminently titled
Living in the Spirit Seminars.
Some measure of this was repeated through Selwyn Hughes teaching seminars.
I must stress, as in the modern day Alpha Courses which have penetrated traditional UK churches so effectively, that ALL of these courses have served a real function and were reflective more of where the church was at at the time. But overall it IS A FORM OF FASCISM to which the third level church, or mature version of church is not CALLED. It's passing the GRECO-ROMAN mindset right through what is really a totally NEW CREATION that has never been truly seen on the Earth in any fulness....
A Body of multinational believers ALL IN UNION with their Saviour, expressing Him through spirit,mind,will,emotions, and body.
The Teacher already has his come uppance in recent years as the discoveries in brain research have begun to weaken their domination over the Body of Christ. Frequently, and rightly, they are observed to be "anal" in their attention to the minutest detail. Now in some cases this is important, because of the phrase "the devil is in the detail". But teachers don't seem to be fitted with an off switch. They seem to have poor empathy skills, concerned primarily with getting their teaching across, whether anyone is even mildly interested or not.
Very rightbrained individuals and also very empathetic individuals who are also quite poor at articulating to any complicated degree, have suffered over centuries from teachers, who have been given way too much prominance in place of other humble souls who have got on for years helping others and serving them.
The Evangelist Fascist
I have yet to meet an evangelist who has the vision of the Body of Christ.
Paul Noble may be the nearest in recent years who has both, and in time past, I felt that Stan Warren of Emsworth had some perception of both. Stan was to have gone off with his wife to the Australian Inland Mission but a Divine Encounter with some traffic and a hospital bed for both of them arrested their plans, and they came to Emsworth and submitted into learning about how the Body of Christ really operates under the teaching and impartation of Ian McCulloch, Ed Miller and Jorge Pradas.
You see, neither David Hathaway,Morris Cerullo and Rheinhard Bonnke seem to "get" what the Church is?
Just about all the evangelistic people on Facebook I talk with have the same problem.
Their understanding of the Church is completely fascistic. It's somewhere to tuck their new converts so they never have to bother with them again, while they go out and blast new converts in.
Well, honour where honour is due. Unless the gospel is preached how are people going to hear? And evangelists up until now know that most churches develop this insular, navel-gazing approach, and never actually reach people, so you can understand their total frustration.
My frustration ,and I think it's born from God's own heart, so it is also His frustration is that
EVANGELISTS DON'T PREACH THE GOSPEL.
They preach forgiveness.Now Jews used to preach forgiveness too, all while killing Jesus. Forgiveness represents approximately one tiny third of the gospel message.
Some are actually starting to understand that God IS ABOUT RECONCILING the world to Himself
since that is what HIS SON HAS ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED.
But that also falls short of the whole picture.
The whole picture MUST INCLUDE what went wrong in Genesis 3, and how completely and effectively the Cross has met that problem head on. I haven't yet met an evangelist who gets that to anywhere near the level that Norman Grubb defines in his lifelong faith resume here:
So evangelists in their current form are relics from a first and secondlevel church period, that manage to get the seed of Life into someone's heart, but really don't have the first clue what they just did, a bit like a sixteen year old who gets his hapless girlfriend pregnant, and they both stick the newborn child in some social adoption programme, to be raised impersonally and without any clear identity to who they are....which is ofcourse the church as organisation ...or as pile of unrelated bricks...which is the format we have on the streetcorners the world over.
So ofcourse evangelists become quite fascistic in their almost robotic, military herding style of scooping as many unsuspecting individuals into the herding pens as possible.
MOST EVANGELISTS HAVEN'T A CLUE THAT THEY ARE BIRTHING JESUS CHRIST IN AN INDIVIDUAL, THAT WERE THEY ACTUALLY TO GROW PROPERLY WOULD BE MORE THAN ABLE TO REPRODUCE CHURCHES OF THEMSELVES ALL OVER THE GLOBE WITHIN ONE GENERATION.....
there is a catch....
you actually need to have revelation about what all the New Testament letters are on about and not just head knowledge learned in a factory farm like
YWAM
or SEMINARIES
or Alpha Courses....
The CARING FASCIST
This is the social justice person gone mad....gone to the nth extreme.
There's a whole load of these on facebook. They are people who rightly, are frustrated at being totally overlooked in churches by imperious teachers and pastors, who, paid tithes, swan around in arecognised way in the communities, whereas often the people quietly getting on with Kingdom caring and pouring out themselves for others, are unfunded, poorly articulate themselves, and are often just taken for granted.
So, in reaction, they in turn become as fascistic in their approach to helping people as other ministries are in their areas. In the carers favour I have to say that the Bible says nothing about pastors or single figureheads heading up local churches. This is pure human invention and has no part in God's Melchizedek Church.
There are elders in God's church by virtue of knowing who they are in God, and being "elder" in the faith until the others around them become elder in their faith!
There are NO hard and fast guidelines to supporting or not of ministries. If you are being greatly used for a time, then you are going to find it hard to hold down a normal job....but perhaps things will steady out, or God will call you aside, and you can get some normal sort of employment again. Everything is fluid. St Paul went to virgin areas and wouldn't let any of them say that they paid for the gospel in any way....he completely funded himself, particularly in the early founding stages of a work.
Back to Carers.
Now I have some authority to say this because I have been a musician in many forms of God's church in the 70s and 80s, and twenty years ago felt to lay the whole thing down....partly to learn the third level, but more directly to learn that Chris Welch is Chris Welch. I was beginning to get an identitiy that was too wrapped up in the creative or prophetic things God did through me....but had to learn whether God never does a thing like that through me again, I am still God's Chris Welch. He in me is my identity and that is enough.
Most carers types I have met are doing their stuff for mixed motives. Some part of it is naturally "them". That is, as God created them. Some part of it is just works. They are driven to do something in a church system which largely exploits this in order that the pastors or church leaders can then "look more successful" as a church.
These sort of folk are the worst...oh especially when they are evangelistic as well.
They are the worst form of Salvation Army types.
But they also exist in most churches.
There will always be these tensions between all the different functions in the Body of Christ. Jesus Christ seems to have formed His church with the need for masses of Cross experience just to interrelate as His Body.
All kinds of tensions were running beneath the surface in the Gospels as the disciples learned to live together.
You even had Judas piling the pressure on when Mary "wasted" a whole years wages in perfume on Jesus feet. That money could have been given to the poor Jesus. (Then it hints that his real motivation was that he was the treasurer!!!)
Carers will always be putting pressure on to meet the very real needs of folk. In God this is right. When it's not God though it's a false fascism that ties up the rest of the Body who should be really getting on with what God is doing through them.
The LEADER/SALES/ADMINISTRATOR FASCIST
Now in any bunch of people leaders emerge.
They just think on a bigger organisational scale.
I was going to do a whole post just on this alone two years ago but never got around to it.
I was going to call it the QUARTERMASTER SYNDROME
This is an identifiable type that profit from other's hardship. In Dad's Army it was the spiv type character who always knew where the bargain offers were. Monetarily these people always station themselves in between supply and customer. It's a natural entrepreneurial streak. This would be the person who got the Quartermaster position in the services. They'd be in control of who got what.
On the large scale the 13 luciferian dynasties have positioned themselves at the gateway of all the main areas of our international dealings....education,monetary,political, artistic, etc etc A secretive council of 300 rule the entire world behind a glassfrontage of people we know, like President Obama, and our English politicians.
In any church the prophetic seems to fall foul of leadership.Leaders, as I said are the invention of God, because they have this natural flare for administration which works extremely well when you have a whole group of people trying to assert their own rights and needs.
One of the worst aspects of leader fascism is this FEEDBACK LOOP they get themselves into.
It works like this:
God honours leadership
God put me here
I am honoured
What may actually be happening is:
God has honoured this person as leader
I must submit faithfully to this leader
I get my identity in the reflection that comes from my relationship to this leader
He/she is honoured
Prophetic people who get their self-identification more from their quest for absolute truth
are a real pain to leadership fascists, because they seem quite rebellious, and don't seem to be
honoring that "very serious honour bestowed me by God Himself".
So instead of realising and honoring God in their own innate flare for getting a handle on the larger picture, the leader fascist sees everyone else through his own distorted lens of whether they have as much ability in leading. The ones who don't ofcourse are in some way lesser.
In other words the leader fascist measures everything by the size of pyramid of which he is the peak.
This is particularly dodgy in first and secondlevel churches.
Why so?
As we read in John 6, there comes a time in every Kingdom leader's life where they have to face the question of what the Gospel really is about. If they flunk it, they effectively lead the church in a 40 year wilderness journey which is totally without meaning and simply avoids the path designated by God to get them into the Land and exercising godly authority in their local area. Jesus DIDN'T Flunk IT, but to the leader fascist He behaved like a complete dork, because He lost all His multitude, except for 12 lonely looking disciples.
There are many very successful churches numerically on Facebook. There are many leaders who are experiencing great and encouraging additions to their flock. I have had leaders really looks down at me and calls into question my own "fruit". But I look straight at them and say "Yes, but have you actually ever spelled out John 6 to your own congregation?"
Ofcourse no first and secondlevel church have, they simply haven't had that revelation yet. This is the territory of the "exposure of the independent self"....and it is the one all fascist leaders back away from because it is not faced in their own lives.
To conclude then, there is ONLY ONE LIFE going on in the Universe. God. Who is self-giving Love.
If we live one iota outside of this Life expressing itself through us, then those assets which are our natural strengths and abilities start crossing the borderline that enters into a form of fascism. And it is this very fascism that hinders the Body from building each other up, and instead dissipates the power and the glory of the Body into the fractured mess we see today, with various relics of different very real moves of God distributed on every street corner.
"You DO NOT DISCERN THE BODY OF CHRIST ARIGHT. For this reason many of you are sick and some have already DIED."
Sunday, 9 September 2012
KOG8 (New Books on Amazon) Repentance - Turning To Glory by Daniel Yordy
"God's pleasure is first and foremost a pleasure in his Son. The Bible reveals this to us while showing us the face of Jesus shining like the sun. In Matthew 17 Jesus takes Peter, James, and John up on a high mountain. When they are all alone something utterly astonishing happens. Suddenly God pulls back the curtain of the incarnation and lets the kingly glory of the Son of God shine through. 'His face shone like the sun, and his garments became white as light' (v.2). Peter and the others were stunned. Near the end of his life Peter wrote that he had seen the Majestic Glory on the holy mountain, and that he had heard a voice from heaven, 'This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him' (2 Peter 1:17-18; Matthew 17:5).When God declares openly that he loves and delights in his Son, he gives a visual demonstration of the Son's unimaginable glory.His face shown like the sun, his garments became translucent with light, and the disciples fell on their faces (Matthew 17:6). The point is not merely that humans should stand in awe of such a glory, but that God himself takes full pleasure in the radiance of his Son. He reveals him in blinding light and then says, "This is my delight!" . . . I thought to myself, surely this is one thing implied in John 17:26 ["that the love you have loved me with may be in them, and I may be in them"--NET Version]--that the day is coming when I will have the capacity to delight in the Son the way the Father does. My fragile eyes will get the power to take in the glory of the Son shining in his full strength just the way the Father does. The pleasure God has in his Son will become my pleasure, and I will not be consumed but enthralled for ever"[italics mine].(John Piper, The Pleasures of God,pps.25, 26)
The above quote is not part of Daniel's chapter but concerns the amazing Glory as of the Only Begotten Son of God, Jesus.
Daniel's Two New books are now available on Amazon...pick your best country.
"The Jesus Secret", and the one from which this chapter originates "The Kingdom Rising."
The first instalment of this series is here.
The audio and PDF to Part 8 are available on this page
"The Jesus Secret", and the one from which this chapter originates "The Kingdom Rising."
The first instalment of this series is here.
The audio and PDF to Part 8 are available on this page
Repentance - Turning To Glory
I once
believed that the life of an overcomer was a life of continual
repentance, always "turning away" from self. I did not know that my
"belief" was a continual action of gross unbelief denying the sacrifice
of Jesus and His life inside of me.Yet repentance is an essential element in our knowledge of God - at the beginning of each level or place of knowing Him. The reason God requires repentance is simple. He never shoves anyone around. God never imposes Himself on us; He always treats us with the highest regard. Thus God always refrains from doing anything in our lives without our permission. Once God has our permission, then He is free to release all the goodness and purpose of God in us, as us, and through us. From then on, continual "repentance" in the form we once knew is just another gimmick to deny God in our lives.
Now, part of slavery in this world is a desperate holding onto elements or things of security. Paul refers to these places of security or refuge in our foolish hiding from God as "strongholds." In Genesis 3, they were simply tree trunks.
True Christian repentance, then is nothing more than coming out from behind our tree trunks to stand in the light of God. In that light, the blood is always flowing over us. But the knowledge of the blood does not penetrate tree trunks. A stronghold is nothing other than any human attempt to hide from God. Continual "repentance" is actually such an attempt to block the reality of the blood from our hearts and minds. Continual "repentance" is just another tree trunk, one of many.
Strongholds are not part of us; they are, rather, fictitious constructions of our frightened minds as we attempt to hide from a God who terrifies us - or, is not under our control. Yet they become very large in our imagination.
Because the blood is continually flowing over me, I am not afraid of God. Much more than continually standing in the light regardless of any "self" or "not self," I am seated with Christ upon the throne of heaven. Upon that throne, I am very bold; yet the throne of God is always a throne of humility. God always serves; the "highest" always takes the lowest place, always raises others above itself.
The darkness of this world IS, however, a very frightening place in which to find ourselves. We do not know the way out. It was only a few years ago, when in a moment of the sweet revelation of Christ upon me, that I saw that "I" had fully disappeared into the Lord Jesus Christ - that He had completely swallowed "me" up into Himself, that I began to KNOW that Salvation utterly carries me.
God never imposes Himself on us; He always treats us with the highest regard.
BUT, I was able to see that Jesus is my life, I have no other life, only because the Father, in His extraordinary kindness, had coaxed me, bit by bit, out from behind my tree trunks over the prior eight years.
From 1977 until 1998, my life was worked upon in a very large way by the ministry of a particular individual in the move of God by the name of Buddy Cobb. I have probably sat under more hours of teaching by him than any other person in my life. Now, I have no right or desire to comment in any way about Buddy Cobb's relationship with the Savior. But I am free to speak openly about his impact on my life because of the public place of influence he has held in the lives of thousands of people.
It is my own personal estimation that Buddy Cobb taught a different word than what was taught by Sam Fife or Jane Miller. Yet that word came always alongside all other word preached in the move. At the present time, this man’s teaching dominates most everything in that fellowship and most other voices have departed.
There was a time when I held Buddy Cobb's view of things at arm's length, but eventually I embraced it and taught it. Now, when I read back through what I wrote at that time, I can only weep. It is too sad for me even to refute.
In a recent letter, "The Mystery of the Holy," I made the following statement:
"Now, I once was taught that God was out to prove me, to see if I really loved Him or not, and the proof was in whether I heard Him speak every moment and did only what He said exactly as He said it. This teaching was the thing God used to bring me to utter hopelessness, that He might then show me the wonder and beauty of Christ."
When I say, "I once was taught," I refer to Buddy Cobb. More than that, he taught that God's love for us is, basically, incidental. What counts to God is for us to PROVE that we love Him. With great delight he taught over and over that when God says that nothing can separate us from the love of God, what God really means is that WE can walk away from that love so easily, and obviously, we live in a state of separating ourselves from His love all the time by our disobedience and therefore must prove to a hard-to-convince Deity that we really do love Him by a perfect obedience - and that is the only way WE can stay in His love.
He delighted further in teaching us that God "watches us with His eye-lids," meaning He makes us think He's not looking, so that He can catch us in our disobedience.
Now, that looks like gibberish to us now, of course. The problem was there was a powerful psychological manipulation at play. And I am using the immediacy of my own personal experience to get at the very largest stronghold in Christianity.
This man was in the minor leagues compared to the solitary intellect that controls the breadth and sweep of what we know of as Christianity.
The whole church is the Beloved of our Savior, and since we are His revelation in the earth, she is very much our concern in her entirety. Not one individual believer has ever belonged to the manipulators and controllers, to the forceful intellects and self-willed powerhouses who draw on the anointing of God to cement their place "above" her, no matter what sect or group or denomination. And because each individual believer of every stripe from the upper room until today belongs to Jesus, each one is very much the concern of the One who lives in our hearts and who fills us full.
No believer in Jesus belongs to or has ever belonged to the false. How could that be? Do they not belong to He who is Salvation? Yet, others have certainly laid claim to her; others have held a temporary and almost "fictitious" grip upon her. Do you see how bad an idea that is - to put your hand on the Beloved of the King of the Universe, the One who defeated death itself and is exalted above all the heavens?
Why did Buddy Cobb's teachings, so contrary to what God actually says in the New Testament, hold such a grip upon my mind and heart?
It is so very important for us to understand the answer to that question. I hope to show you that all of Christianity labors under the grip of an intellect far more powerful and far more pervasive than this man's - and for the same reasons. I truly believe that God intends to shatter through us the false hand that has reigned upon His Church for 1600 years.
When I wrote the letter, "God Is Beneath Your Feet," my whole understanding of God's order turned upside-down - or right-side-up, of course, though it still seems "upside-down." All through the years I lived in Christian community, I carried a question in my heart that found no answer. I loved Christian community, but for some reason, the whole structure of the communities, their purpose and focus, just did not jive with something I knew in my heart to be true. Then, seemingly separate from that question, through the years since we left that fellowship, another question has burdened my heart in deep groanings and travail before God.
Both questions were answered in totality as I wrote "God Is Beneath Your Feet."
I am unable to put the first question into words, indeed it never was a mental question, just a heart question that never left me. All I can do is tell you the same story my heart told me through my years in move community.
I grew up in the Mennonite church; many of my family lines are descended directly from the Anabapists of 16th century Switzerland. You trace up the line of my father’s mother, the Stauffers, and you trace up the line of my mother’s father (through an ancestral mother – thus a different last name), and you come to two men, forefathers in each line, who lived as Anabaptists in the same Christian community in Switzerland and were driven out by the authorities, losing everything, in the 1560’s.
During my childhood years, I read a story set in 1500's Switzerland, a story that is the first question I held.
A group of young men, drunk and rowdy, seeking some fun for the night, alighted on the idea of doing some damage to those "heretics" in town. They found the home of an Anabaptist family, climbed up onto the roof, and tore the slates off the roof, flinging them in every direction. Meanwhile, the family beneath them busily prepared their defense. They cooked a meal; they made refreshments. As the young men finished, coming down off the roof, they found an open front door, warm smiles, and a welcome. "Come and have refreshments after your hard labor." Sheepishly, they entered the home to be served with great kindness by the Anabaptist family. The next day they returned and labored again to repair what they had destroyed. Some, I'm sure, found an open heart to hear this "heresy."
Something inside my heart told me that this was God's order for His church. There was certainly much love and kindness in move community, but the "order" of the communities did not ever agree with the story of my heart.
Let me now attempt to explain the second question, a question that I have held before God with many tears through the last decade.
God anointed Sam Fife more powerfully than anyone I have ever known. Sam Fife believed absolutely in what he preached, that Christ is a corporate man, and thus never ever ran any kind of a one-man-show. Rather, he lifted up a corporate ministry around himself, and the anointing of God upon him reverberated with the anointing upon them. To Sam Fife, the pulpit was always open to anyone.
Some may well argue that I am a very impressionable person. Whether or not, I do not judge myself, though I know that far more than being impressionable, I question everything, I require evidence of all things, and I search the Bible to see what God actually says equal to any, and far more than most.
Maybe it could be that I see things others do not see and hear things others do not hear. Yet many others also testified that the anointing of God upon Sam Fife which flowed out within a corporate ministry was beyond anything they otherwise knew. Many others were the same as I, "This guy is crazy!" Yet they could not but remain upon their face before God, "God, if this be true, show me," as did I.
Now, the bulk of what Sam Fife preached came out of George Warnock's, The Feast of Tabernacles. If you read that, you will be reading the central truth's of the move of God while Sam Fife was alive. Certainly, he added his own personality, his own wacky views of things. That is a given. God cannot speak except He speak through men. Christ lives as us in this world.
I left the move for two reasons. First, it had strayed too far from the word God had birthed in my heart in those early years. And second, something woven all through the move and move community was just not right. I did not know for certain what that something was.
In leaving the move, I threw nothing out. Rather, I put everything on the shelf, and I made an agreement with God. "God, You will pull off that shelf all that is truly of You and rebirth it in my heart. All the rest will simply stay there to be discarded as You reveal Yourself in my life."
But as time went on, the depths of the knowing of God that I once knew could not remain quiet. God had birthed a word and a vision inside of me, and I was pregnant with it. To be pregnant is to travail.
I had sat in the move conventions, listening to the most profound words I have ever heard. The anointing upon that word and upon those ministries lifted me up above myself. The throne of heaven was wide open and from that throne came into my equally wide-open heart a vision of the revelation of Jesus Christ.
I have never escaped from that heavenly vision; it grips and rules my heart to this day.
The anointing moved me. The river of power from the throne of God caught me in its flow. I cannot ever be content with an un-anointed world or with an un-anointed church. And I was not the only one moved by that anointing. That anointing moved us to abandon everything of this world to follow Jesus. It moved us to a life of power in the Holy Spirit, a life of walking together, a life of seeking the Holy, the revelation of Jesus Christ, on our faces before God.
Because people do not fear God, they play tiddly winks with Him. When God speaks, I tremble. God is always speaking; the reverberations upon my own heart and life never cease. I will not "discuss" truth with people who are not on their faces before the presence of the living God, with wide-open Bibles and wide-open hearts.
So my cry and question before God has been, "God, it is Your anointing visited upon Your servants that moves us to a higher level of knowing You than we have ever known. Where is that anointing today? How I long to be caught up again in its power! How I long for my children to know that same Throne Word that grips my own heart."
But the question I have held before God has a second part; it is this. "God, how could such an anointing, carrying such a vision of Christ, also carry something, I don't know what it was, that was false?"
I now know the answer to the second part of that question. Let me give you the short version here.
Augustine.
However, I do not want to talk about Augustine quite yet. Allow me to finish the foundation for the question: "Must we repent of Augustine?"
The false thing that was inserted by Sam Fife into the pure word from the throne of God, a word flowing out of George Warnock's The Feast of Tabernacles, is the very thing that caused me to give undue weight to the power of a man, Buddy Cobb, whom I knew twisted Scriptures and labored over nonsense, placing Solomon as the ruler over Paul's gospel, a weight that brought me to a place of utter hopelessness.
After writing "God Is Beneath Your Feet," I remembered almost exactly what Sam Fife had said. (I say "almost exactly," but since I will not go looking for it, I will paraphrase.) "The apostles and elders in the move of God are anointed by God because they are closer to God than you are. God has anointed them to be the expression and the covering of Christ to you." Linked tightly with that understanding were the words, "Touch not My anointed and do My prophets no harm."
We believed that; we believed that, because this most profound of anointings, continually proven by the experience of God in our midst over many years, did in fact rest upon the apostles and elders of the move of God; therefore, they were the covering of Christ to us. I submitted my life and my walk with God to that belief for 21 years.
We were hanging upside down. On that point, Sam Fife was completely wrong. Those anointed by God in the church are the ten percent who are wise and capable in this world. They are anointed for that reason - as servants to the heirs of salvation.
No one notices servants, nor honors them, nor asks them for advice. They are servants. What they have is not their own; it is in their hand only to be given to others. Once their service is given, they retire into the shadows, and no one notices them. Jesus made this very clear to the disciples.
To give honor to servants is to stand on your head. Yet in the church of Christ, we have done so. Look down, God is beneath your feet.
I hoped to write a letter at some point titled it, "Turning the Church Right-Side-Up." In that letter I hope to show how ministry might function in a church turned right-side-up. Here, I will continue exploring the upside-down view held by almost all of Christianity, not just the move of God.
I find, here, that I can best express how and why I was caught under Buddy Cobb's ministry by sharing with you from an email I wrote to Chris Welch.
~
I've been
sitting here pondering, wanting to put into words just what it was we
practiced. You see, Sam Fife taught, "After the Due Order," that God has
set a five-fold ministry into the church as the covering over God's
people and that apostles were "first" and prophets second, but only as a
confirmation ministry, not any authority themselves. It came down to a
two-group ministry, apostles over all and elders locally.Thus all important decisions were submitted to the covering for their witness.
It was not that the ministry ever told anyone what to do (except in the normal operations of practicing community). Each person was taught to hear from the Lord for themselves, and then to submit their leading to the elders for confirmation. Elderships submitted their leadings to the father ministry for confirmation. At both levels, prophets were asked to seek visions from the Lord without knowing what they were praying about. Thus, the visions were impartial and either confirming or denying. Many, many decisions were made based on the witness of the visions. Most of the visions received for me through the years were powerful and important. But near the end of my time, they became the opposite, confusing and devastating - not the visions themselves, but their role. But that's another, though very interesting, story.
Now, here's the thing, those who gave their hearts to this teaching and practice made a personal commitment to do so because of the word of the Lord made real inside of them. Then over the years, the power of God in anointing continued to confirm to our hearts that, yes, this was the move of God.
I will not "discuss" truth with people who are not on their faces before the presence of the living God, with wide-open Bibles and wide-open hearts.
Yet here is what happened psychologically. Innumerable times, one had to tell one's self, "Submit to the ministry and thus you are submitting to God." There were times when one had to go against what seemed right. Always, those who were committed to the move, myself included, mentally told one's self that God holds submission to the covering above all. I have heard that preached so many times and held to it myself at great personal cost.
Now, as I said, God attended us with His presence and power. Yet you can see the powerful psychological bonds taking place. Thus, to finally break with that belief and "leave the covering," was for most a devastating experience mentally. Especially when you were also walking away from years of labor and all your investment with nothing.
And, of course, the flip side of practicing this mental story we told ourselves over and over, was that the greatest "sin," then, had to be leaving the "covering." Thus, those who left had demonstrated the greatest rebellion against God. They might "pretend" to continue as Christians, but we knew that God was no longer leading them. And no one was really "with God" until they made the same mental commitment to "the covering" that we had made. People who are still in the move do not deny that I am a Christian, but many will not practice fellowship with me or believe that I might be "hearing from God."
Now, inside of that structure was much truth and much wonderful word and revelation and outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Yet, as humans, we always take God's presence, not as a gift because of the blood of Jesus, but as a result of our "having it right."
"After the Due Order" comes from the passage where David brings up the ark to Jerusalem. You see, he had tried to bring it on a cart. It began to fall off. One of David's men tried to stop God's presence from hitting the dirt and fell dead. Then, three months later, David told the priests to carry the ark on their shoulders. He said, "We did not do it the first time after the due order." God's order was that the descendants of Aaron only would carry the ark on their shoulders.
Sam Fife preached all the time that his version of "Divine Order" was the New Testament "due order" that the Babylonian church had failed to follow. Yet what he set in place was just another form of putting the hand to the ark to keep it from hitting the dirt.
~
In the
summer of the year 2000, I had been separated from looking to the move
ministry as "covering" for two years. However, the words and teachings
of Buddy Cobb still weighed heavily upon my heart. I was astonished at
times by expressions of the love and favor of God towards me through
other Christians, but the icy weight of "God loves me, BUT . . ." only
thawed slightly, it did not lift.Finally, I was in a service of the church that blessed and helped us so much when we lived in west Texas. There was a mighty anointing of repentance and deliverance upon the service. People were going forward to stand in the presence of God. I joined them. As I lifted my heart up to God, Buddy Cobb came into my mind. I knew in that moment that I needed to be free of him. I said to God, "I repent of ever having listened to Buddy Cobb."
For the first time, I heard the words, "God loves me." And the need for a - ", but" - to follow no longer existed. The period at the end of the sentence was full and comfortable.
That repentance was a one-time act. It was necessary because of the agreement I myself had made in the past to place a tree trunk, a strong-hold of hiding, between myself and God. Now that I had repented, I could begin to hear God speak once again. It still took a few more years for the thawing to be complete, before I could hear God in the measure I enjoy today. But the repentance was complete in that moment.
True repentance is simple. It is simply turning away from what is untrue and standing fully in the light of all the glory of God revealed in us. Once we have done that, there is no further “repentance.”
I share all this about repenting of having listened to Buddy Cobb because Christ is made personal in each of us and to show you an exact correlation to a far, far larger intellect that holds all Christianity in its icy grip.
Read the next part of this letter to learn about the extent to which Augustine has ruled our minds and hearts.
Friday, 20 August 2010
Members One of Another: Part 1 by Daniel Yordy

Members One of Another: Part 1
By Daniel Yordy – August 15, 2010
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"We, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another." Romans 12:5
"For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body . . . and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. For in fact the body is not one member but many." 1 Corinthians 12:12-14
"That they all may be one, (just) as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me." John 17: 21-23
"Therefore receive one another, just as Christ also received us." Romans 15:7
"Love one another with a pure heart fervently." 1 Peter 1:22
Here is the greatest power in the universe unleashed upon this earth. Here is the focal point of all the intention and purpose of God coming down onto one tiny point. Here is the transition between the two ages. Here is the foundation and the birthing of all that is the age to come.
Everyone assumes they "know" what this love is; few have ever tasted it. We know that none have practiced it because the ages have not changed.
So long as this level of love and relationship is not our continual way of living, we remain in darkness and deception.
Inside of Christian community we came close. Close, but not close enough. Looking back now, I know that we had erected a mighty and impassible barrier between us and this level of love. It was there, and we could glimpse it, but we never tasted it because of the barrier of separation we ourselves had built.
That barrier, that concrete and steel wall, was the order and the hierarchy of relationship in which we moved - apostle, elder, body member. Because that order was fierce and to this day remains inviolable in that same group, we related to one another on the basis of place and position in the pecking order - Always. Yes, there was love in our midst, but pecking order always trumped love - Always. Even when the apostle humbly submitted to the elders, yes it was love, but the whole engagement was still by the pecking order. And the body members, the non-elders always must "know their place."
[But I must say this, those who live in a free-for-all form of Christian relationship are further from knowing true Christian love than we were, even in our in-part expression of church order. Sorry, such a church-order is even worse.]
The last community in which we lived, Blair Valley, was too small to profit from such an arrangement, and by someone's wise counsel, they had removed the elder-body member distinction, and all adults sat together in the elder's meetings. There were only six adults, four of us elders, two non-elders, and three small children. Yet we were a fully recognized wilderness community. To exclude the two wives who were not elders made no sense.
What a world of difference that made. An entire spirit of difficulty that always plagues the communities in the move vanished as if it never existed. Every adult was treated with full respect in government. There was no shadow of "us versus them" as sits upon ALL other move communities to great harm.
[This "us versus them" does far greater harm to those who are elders than to those who are body members. I did not know that all the years I was a "body member," until I sat among the elders myself. There I saw the great damage that had been wrought by this practice in the hearts of those elders whom I had always looked up to. I saw that great harm, but I did not understand it, nor could I credit myself as a sufficient witness or judge.
It was several years later that I sat across from the two leading members from that same group of elders, the apostolic ministry and his wife, here in a living room in Houston, and they said to me that they had begun to see the very same thing I had seen, they had repented of it and confessed their sin to all the communities, but were now no longer welcome - their repentance had challenged the entire pecking order so carefully maintained in the move to this day (he was the third apostle in the move). Then I knew that I had understood this critical truth correctly.]
But still, at Blair Valley, although there was a closeness and a caring for one another that was wonderful, still, there was something that stood between us. I now know what it was. It was "the move" and the "covering" of the apostles. I believe in apostolic covering, I am just convinced that in the move we did not know what a pure apostolic covering was - ever. We could not know it because of the wrong definitions of separation and "place."
It was when my wife and I left that community and the move (and our leaving caused the end of the Blair Valley community), that I tasted of the love and heart relationship that had always eluded our reach. I want to carefully describe what happened. Not to condemn anyone, but to reach for this most precious of truths - Members One of Another.
We were three couples at Blair Valley, husband and wife. One of the couples was an older couple; then the other couple who were closer to our age, but who worked in town to earn some necessary money and came out to the farm only on weekends; and Maureen and I. Because I had not sought the witness of the apostles when we left, we were breaking a spiritual definition. Maureen and the children were already gone when I drove our van with our belongings out the long dirt road to the highway. The older couple accompanied me in their vehicle. Along the way we stopped to do something to my van, the older brother helping me. In our exchange, he spoke something very harshly against me. I replied, "Brother, I'm still a Christian." I do not remember his exact words, but they were to the effect that all spiritual relationship between us was severed, regardless of any fellowship we had enjoyed before. I had received many hard and painful blows all the years I was in the move; that was one of them.
But I want to speak about the other couple, particularly the other brother, who was already in town. He and I had enjoyed a growing relationship of trust and walking together over the years. He had been an elder all the years I had known him, but different from most. He was one of those few (three among hundreds, to be exact) who had always treated me as an equal in every way. He gave me some of the final keys of what it meant to highly regard and respect one another even before we left Blair Valley.
But once we were living in town, this brother and his wife, though they remained in the move, continued to relate to Maureen and myself at the same level of spiritual love and fellowship as before. All the definitions and masks of the move were gone. All that was left was the presence of deep friendship, the anointing of Christ, and the utmost regard and respect for one another.
We left the area a year later, moving hundreds of miles away. I am not good at maintaining relationships over distance, but the closeness of heart between this brother and myself remains to this day at the same level to which it had come.
And understand this, community is a glass house. Once you have lived with people in community for some years, you know them and they know you. There is no hiding of anything. Most church gatherings are filled with smiles and exuberant "love." That's better than nothing, but it is still an outer facade only. But those whom I know from community, I know. And they know me.
We all wear masks. We all present to other Christians the face we want them to see. You do it as much or more than I; don't kid yourself falsely. How do I know that you hide behind masks as much as anyone? Because we're still in this present age. If you had stepped out of this darkness already, the fabric of the universe would already be changed.
And much of our wearing of masks comes out of our creations of the definitions of place and order that come to us from the tree of knowledge, definitions of place and order that we so carefully maintain.
The Quakers defied that whole concept of place and order. They threw it out as nothing more than a masquerade instituting "pride" as the order of society. And that's all it is, and all it will ever be, a masquerade of pride, the wearing of faces.
I want to go on a rabbit trail, here, but I have a specific purpose for this rabbit trail. I want to enlarge our understanding of what this means - Members One of Another. I want to make our understanding as specific as I can.
There is a belief here in the United States that we gained our freedom by fighting and winning the revolutionary war against England. Those who believe this are lied to and lying.
The belief that freedom comes from killing people is a LIE!
But it is a lie that wraps itself all through the warp and woof of this country and every part of the consciousness of most Americans. It is a lie.
If you want to know for certain that the American Revolution had absolutely nothing to do with freedom, just read the first three chapters of Oliver Wiswell by Kenneth Roberts. The American Revolution opposed freedom in every possible way. In reality, it was nothing more than an excuse to kill one's neighbor and to burn down his home.
Yes, the American Revolution brought independence from England, but it did not bring freedom. Freedom came from an entirely different source. The American Revolution was a mighty blow against freedom, but freedom at that time was too strong in America to be so easily destroyed. It would take a far more subtle approach.
The Civil War and its aftermath was an even greater blow against freedom in America than the Revolution had been. The hatred that Lincoln engendered in the hearts of Americans one against the other is incomprehensible. But freedom did not die completely in this country until 1913. From that day until now, America has not known freedom.
The United States of America is NOT a nation of freedom and has not been in any form since 1913. Many other peoples on earth know freedom more than most Americans. The US is an oligarchic dictatorship that pretends to let us vote, and we pretend to chose the face of that dictatorship every four years. It is all a mighty masquerade of pretending. It is all a lie.
Americans say, "Thank God we're free," all the while imagining their chains to be nothing more than emblems of "freedom." Never before in history have a people so clung to the masquerade as tightly and as falsely as Americans do today. And the very statement, "Thank God we're free," is part of the forge upon which those chains are forged. It is all a mental game.
So what is freedom and where did it come from, for it is true that it was tasted here in America for a season and for a time. We do not now know what freedom is, but we maintain its emblems. People mistake the emblems of freedom for the thing itself.
What is freedom?
In the American colonies through the years 1775 and on, the people were split into three nearly equal parts. One third of the colonists chose to take up arms to fight violently against King George. One third of the colonists chose to take up arms to fight violently for King George. And one third of the colonists refused to join either side or to participate in any way in the violence.
If separation from England had been put to a popular vote, the colonies would never have separated. I doubt if the separatists would ever have gotten more than 45% of the vote. Now here is something you were never taught. If the colonists had been allowed to vote for greater FREEDOM completely divorced from the thought of separation from England, the vote for greater freedom would have been more than 95%. Most of those who fought FOR King George and against the rebels were also fighting FOR freedom. They were absolutely convinced that the liars among the rebels were a greater threat to freedom than King George could ever be. They were not wrong.
And here is something else to consider. I have good reason for my belief that if the colonists had been allowed to vote, and if they had voted to stay under King George, freedom would have lasted on this continent much longer than it did.
But neither those who picked up guns to kill their neighbors, either those who fought for "freedom" by fighting for King George, or those who fought for "freedom" by fighting against King George had anything to do with freedom in this country. In fact, all those who chose violence against their neighbor, all of them, were fighting against freedom, no matter how they justified their actions.
Freedom as it was experienced in this country for such a short time in the history of mankind came entirely from the middle group who refused to participate in any way in the murder of their fellow man.
That middle group was an incredibly unique combination never seen in history before or since. Because that large population of peculiar people does not exist anywhere in the world in any size large enough to affect the course of society, the reality of freedom cannot be known again upon this earth. Mankind had one window of opportunity. Only one. God purposed to give us this one taste of freedom so that some of us would understand what freedom is and thus bring freedom to the entire world.
Who was that middle group that refused to kill their neighbors?
Inside that middle group was the largest minority of Quakers and Anabaptists that any place on earth has known before or since.
May I suggest to you that the only taste of freedom that this world has ever known came to us from the Quakers and the Anabaptists, and let me throw this in as well, the Iroquois. This middle group with a huge number of Quakers and Anabaptists lived in the Middle Colonies in proximity to the Iroquois. The hotheads who led the violence were New England "Puritans" on the one side; the leaders of the southern colonies were mostly slavers on the other side.
What is freedom?
Freedom is holding one's neighbor in the utmost respect and regard without thought of any human differences.
Government within many of the Indian tribes in America was based fully on the principle of utmost respect. If you want to see such a thing in action watch Dances with Wolves with Kevin Costner, a worthy education. I suspect that the kind of government you see there was the closest to what God had in mind for the children of Israel.
It was only the Quakers who treated both Indians and African-Americans with utmost respect as people equal in every way to themselves. That respect is freedom.
There is a movie and book of a Quaker woman, named Mary Draper Ingles, who is captured by the Shawnees and eventually escapes. The movie, The Captive, is not on Netflix, so if you want to see it, you have to buy it from Amazon. The reviews that I read all miss the main point of the story. Mary, as a Quaker believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, treats her captors, no matter how savage they appear, with the utmost respect as fellow human beings. Her fellow captives cannot do that. She escapes but must leave her children with the Indians. At the end of the movie, she is back home with her husband when those same Indians appear again on the edge of the clearing. Only this time, they are returning her children to her.
Why? Because of the respect that she showed to them as fellow human beings in spite of her own fear and suffering.
That respect, that high regard for all others as full and equal human beings created in the image of God, IS freedom.
Let me continue. I am getting at something very precise here; I am getting at the very bottom line of "Members One of Another" and how it must overthrow the darkness that grips this world. I don't know that I have ever written anything more important.
It was this respect and high regard for others found among the large Quaker and Anabaptist minority in the colonies out of which freedom flowed to all others. And the only ones I know of today who stand as the last final barrier to unending and open slavery in this country are the Amish. If you and I understood the place that they hold in this regard, we would think entirely differently about the world.
Let me place this definition of freedom on a firm foundation.
The Ten Commandments carved on tablets of stone by the finger of God is the LAW of LOVE and the Foundation of Freedom in disguise. Now, a people who live separately from God, claiming, "All that the Lord says we will do," can only turn those "commandments" into death. And all "Christian" use of the ten commandments in an outward manner is also nothing more than death.
The Ten Commandments are all expressions of property rights. Property rights are the foundation of freedom, but not in the sense of my "fighting others" for my rights. Rather, in the complete opposite sense, my laying down my own life and interests so that I may regard the property rights of others with fullest respect.
What are property rights? "Property" is what I possess as an individual created by God in His image, an individual whom God loves, an individual for whom - alone if there were no others - Christ died to have for Himself as His companion and friend. "Property" is my integrity. "Property" is the value of the blood of Jesus paid to purchase me.
My most important property is my conscience, that is, the integrity of my own personal choice to follow that particular inner light that I choose to follow. This is a right God never violates. The first phrase of the first amendment is not freedom of "religion," it is freedom of conscience. Conscience is the most essential right and property that any human being possesses. That is because when I stand before God in judgment, all other people and all other possessions will not be there with me except one, my conscience, the determination of that "light" I chose to follow. That is why freedom of conscience is placed as the very first of all freedoms.
And that is why Paul's statement, "Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God," is the most revolutionary political statement ever uttered upon this earth. That statement stands in total defiance of every argument of "authority" in both church and state upon this earth, that the authority that guides every individual man, woman, and child is that Spirit which is inside of them.
"Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah - not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." Jeremiah 31:31-34
This Covenant promised by God is utter political anarchy from the human point of view. This is the New Covenant; it is the Kingdom of God. And it is how the Quakers alone of all Christian sects understood God's order for His church. This understanding and practice is the source of the measure of freedom that was tasted for a short season here upon this continent.
Consider the Ten Commandments. All the commandments are different ways of saying, "Thou shalt not steal." The first and second commandments are about stealing from God that which belongs to Him. Killing your neighbor is stealing his life, second only in importance to stealing his conscience. Lying about your neighbor is stealing his reputation, his good name. Committing adultery is theft of the worst kind. And the tenth commandment says, "Don't even want to take for yourself that integrity, that honor, that regard that belongs to your neighbor."
But it is my life that I hold as one of my possessions that is second in importance to my conscience. My body comes third (that is the place of habeas corpus in the American Constitution and in British common law.) Both Habeas Corpus and the 14th amendment protect my right to the possession of my own body. My right to speak what is in my heart, my possession of a voice, that sharing with others that which is inside of me, is placed second after freedom of conscience in the Bill of Rights. Whether my voice or my life is more important, I do not know.
God considers my possession of my body to be second to my possession of my own spirit (conscience). For my body is the temple of the Holy Spirit and belongs to no other. If I do not possess it fully, I cannot give it to God. And God accepts only that which is freely given.
Do you see how all this works? Americans used to understand these things, but since 1913, almost no one still does.
So why was the Bill of Rights written? Again, this reality is not known, even though it is supremely important.
Tens of thousands of Americans who loved freedom were horror-stricken when the "Constitution" was presented to them to ratify in the legislative assemblies of each newly-independent state. They saw in that Constitution the creation of the awful BEAST that the American government is today. They saw in that Constitution the license to create a monster a thousand times worse than the government of King George ever could be.
There were too many people who opposed this betrayal called "the Constitution" for it to be ratified. Those who opposed it gave their reasons at the legislative assemblies and they wrote those reasons down on paper. Those who had written the Constitution sent out papers giving their reasons why the new government created by the Constitution could be trusted. Both sides have been proven wrong by history. The arguments of those who claimed that the new government could be trusted fell into the dustbin of history long ago as complete and total deception. But the arguments of those who claimed that the new government would be a worse tyrant than King George ever could be were also wrong. That government today is far, far worse than their darkest predictions. It is a Beast.
The Bill of Rights was written by those who OPPOSED the constitution and who OPPOSED the creation of the Federal Government. It was written as a final attempt to wrap chains around that government, to somehow force it to respect people. Those who wanted the Constitution accepted the Bill of Rights only because it was the only way the states would have ratified the Constitution to create the monster that did not stop growing from then until now. By the presidency of Abraham Lincoln, that Constitution and the Bill of Rights restraining it was nothing more than a worthless scrap of paper.
Please bear with me, because the only thing I am interested in is "Members One of Another." But we must understand exactly what that means. This letter will obviously require two parts. But I have a bit further to go before I can come back to the utter regard and respect for one another that is the heart of what Christ is all about.
The Shawnees in their savagery had exactly the same reasons why they should kill the whites as the colonists had to fight King George. They had exactly the same reasons, only far more. If it was "right" for the colonists to kill the British soldiers, by the same argument, it was far more "right" for the Shawnees to be as savage at killing the Europeans and driving them into the sea as they needed to be.
Those Shawnees who kidnapped Mary Ingles and slaughtered her neighbors were truly terrorists. But not as bad as the white terrorists who had done the same and worse to the Shawnees.
To Christ in Mary Ingles, the actions of the Shawnees against her and against those whom she loved had no bearing on the regard and respect, the love, of Christ in her towards them.
Would you have had the same regard and respect for Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein while they were still alive? If not, you really do not know the One who loves inside of you, the One you call "Savior." You really do not know Him.
More than that, if you had the opportunity, would you place your body in between the American soldiers and the Afghanis they are shooting right now because of your deep respect, your high regard, and your love for that Afghani man, bearded, dirty, and smelly? Would you place your body there to take the blow and the death in his place?
If you would not, then you do not know God, you have never experienced Love, and you do not know the Christ who is inside of you. He is there, you just don't know Him. You are under complete deception; you live in total darkness.
You might say, "Well, Daniel Yordy, what about you?"
And my answer would be, "I don't know that I could do that either." And my answer would also be, "Yes, Jesus lives in my heart because He says He does, but I do not know Him, not really; I am under complete deception, and I live in total darkness."
There was a Man, once, who saw it differently. There was a Man, once, who refused to participate in the vicious satanic cycle of "dog eat dog," of beast devouring beast.
They threatened Him with death and He laid down His life. They cried, "If you were truly the Son of God, you would come down off that cross." He said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do."
He was the only Man who has ever lived on this earth.
And that one act, of standing between His enemies and the destruction they so richly deserved, broke the curse. That one act saved you and me. We were truly His enemies when He died for us, and in dying, made us His friends. We were truly His enemies, terrorists against all that is holy and good, when He responded to us with utmost respect, with careful and tender regard, with life-laid-down love.
And now, that same One, the only Man ever to live, the Holy One of heaven who lives now in our hearts, though we know Him not, that same One says these words to you and to me:
"Receive one another, just as Christ also received us - Love one another with a pure heart fervently."
I want to keep the same title, "Members One of Another," but in the next part, I want to explore more deeply this high, holy respect and regard for one another, this tender care for one another's heart, this "going out of our way" to make sure each tiny member of Christ knows how highly we respect and regard their heart and the integrity of their person.
And I want to show you how it is that this massive and "violent" revolution is the only thing that will transform this world and change the ages forever.
To think that it will happen because "Jesus" shows up in the sky is as contrary to the nature and determination of God as one can get.
"That they all may be one, (just) as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me."
This is the revolution that will overthrow all darkness and transform the entire universe as God purposed from the beginning.
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