The Two Contrary Approaches to Making Disciples

I want you to be inspired by this at two levels. Some will recognise that this is superb tuition at any level, and some will even be reignited about playing  the piano.
But I want you to slip slideways and now consider your whole approach to making disciples.






Did you just hear what he said at the end to summarise?
Two contrary approaches which meet up at the end?

In Song of Solomon, at the end in chapter 8 are these words,
“[j]We have a little sister,
And she has no breasts;
What shall we do for our sister
On the day when she is spoken for?
9 “If she is a wall,
We will build on her a battlement of silver;
But if she is a door,
We will barricade her with planks of cedar.”
10 “[k]I was a wall, and my breasts were like towers;
Then I became in his eyes as one who finds peace.

I believe Watchman Nee wrote about this passage in his Song of Songs book something about our breasts signifying the two tandem qualities of faith on one side, and love and trust on the other.

Mature saints are filled with faith, but they also ooze AGAPE love.
Mature congregations have endured much with patience....not least each other !!!!
and .like old couples, ooze this strong affection and deep knowing of one another.
But, if they have matured in faith , not compromising, mature Spirit churches are something else regarding the release of God's power amongst them.

BUT.....Kingdom kids, I am sure you have realised both require totally different  approaches.

Both sides though are linked by a common denominator.....FAITH.
There is raw faith, the faith that speaks things into being.
There is fidelity faith.  Ed Miller said a "faithful man is a man full of faith".
To endure, to persist....requires faith.
People who give up. People who don't complete....it CAN be....they just didn't have faith.

The TRUSTING side of faith is one that Acknowledges God in all our ways, Proverbs 3.....refuses to SEE DOUBLE.....or REFUSES to SEEanything outside of God, even when all is Darkness.
Refuses to give the devil overall Lordship but says at every point....
God works all things for good with those that love him.
St Paul was in and out of prison for preaching the gospel, but he viewed the whole thing on a continuum.....viewing the sufferings as the engine driving the resurrection life....
sowing his mortal body in a Romans 12 fashion to reap immortality.

But they are contrary in this way.
And there are simply no hard and fast rules.  Abraham had words with God about his nephew in Sodom. Moses had words with God about the future relationship of God with His very own people.
Things in the Spirit are frighteningly fluid in one sense.
I mean God the Father asked the Son in Gethsemane whether He still wanted to go through with it?
Supposing  hypothetically He had said no?

Sometimes we are enduring things and we are just stupid.  A faith man comes, speaks a Word and Kapow our prison door suddenly opens.....but we were sure this was our lot to endure.
Other times, we are sure we have heard a Word on something.....but nope, nothing opens up.

Listen, if a man as full of faith like Paul is ready to go to Bythinia or whatever the region was called and the Spirit forbade him.....no amount of faith and enthusiasm is going to get him the gig !!!!
It's just not going to happen....YET.

Why is this all so important and current?   Torben Søndergaard    has had a profound effect on Tony Maden. You can see Torben's movie here.

But Tony Maden is one of this new generation  like Peter David Aston  who are starting to see both sides of the gospel at once from the outset.
Tony and Fred Pruitt beforehand, were only in Christ a few years before learning about the third level.  Most Christians do not even know there is a thirdlevel. Certainly in its early stages the thirdlevel looks outwardly like a disaster movie.

It would be like the surrounding kings looking at the early history of Israel.
So, tell me what does this God of yours feed you?
Well, we all got to live in a desert with the same shoes for 40 years, and had a crispy honeycomb like substance which melted or decayed after a few hours, then for tea we had bird....every day.

So tell me,the kings continue, this God of yours that has promised you a thirdlevel experience in some Land or other?
What is it about your present experience that tells you you haven't been duped by a cultleader  whose only credentials are keeping sheep?

I digress....
Tony just happened to get wind of Norman Grubb a few years after becoming a Christian.
Peter David Aston grew up in a fellowship with similar roots to my renewed Baptist church in Amersham, and received much input from Randy Clark and John Crowder.
John is one of the few in the early years of the millenium who saw the twin aspects of Jesus Christ ministry.  The free use of the spiritual gifts, but also the teaching about the Cross and a total change of inner consciousness.

JESUS TAUGHT BOTH SIMULTANEOUSLY ON EVERY PAGE OF THE GOSPELS.
WORD AND SPIRIT.
IT ALSO GOES THROUGH EVERY STAGE OF THE TABERNACLE
BRAZEN ALTAR.....LAVER
TABLE OF SHEWBREAD......LAMPSTAND
MERCY SEAT WITH THREE FORMS OF WORD INSIDE WITH SHEKINAH GLORY OVERHEAD

HOW THE UNION BELIEVERS HAVE MISSED ALL THIS IS SIMPLY BEYOND ME. ITS STARING EVERYBODY RIGHT IN THE FACE THROUGH THE WHOLE BIBLE.

Perhaps one of the reasons the Lord stopped the Bunting's yearly conferences was because they were simply too one sided.  Now for years, God HAD to restore the teaching of the thirdlevel, because the Pentecostals and Apostolics had been sweeping it under the carpet for 100 years....and that wasn't balanced either.

But the two paths, so forked up until our current age, are both in God, though both contrary WAYS.
Or apparently contrary, like these two forms of piano teaching....
But actually in the end they meet up in one glorious KISS.

Lasar Living Techniques

1 Tim 4:8For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.
1Tim6:10For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

Interspersed in this post below I am putting a couple of links to the latest in exercise and in MLM business. Why? When I have just quoted those verses?
Because those verses are attacking two wrong spirits.
Physical training does not build the Kingdom of God, which is spirit and righteousness based.
The love of money is A ROOT or in the original, probably has no article at all...but money is not THE ROOT. The independent self delusion of Satan is THE ROOT.
But in Darkness if you trace the infrastructure of this world it is held by money and deference from one organisation to another by love of money, right up the pyramid to the trillionnaires at the top. So God's Kingdom lays the axe to this structure time and time again. It used to be tithing, now it is openended according to your faith....whatever you have to give...give. "the Body is joined by that which each joint supplies." So the love of GIVING is a root of all KINGDOM!!!!!

Cutting Edge Results based ,body weight exercises (requiring absolutely no equipment)




However fat slobs like me won't be around long. John Wimber used to joke about it 10 years later he was dead. Ruth Heflin is dead. Harry Greenwood is dead. Fat Kingdom people can die young.
Poor idle Kingdom people can die young too. Give and it shall be given you, pressed down and running over.
Why hang around entrepreneurs and fitness people?
The money and the muscle are Kingdom-meaningless...but the Drive....the enthusiasm...the alertness....the bottom-line centeredness are all LASAR like qualities that are like viruses which the Kingdom can do with catching.
I'm not primarily business motivated like Richard Branson and others. I marvel at guys who in two seconds have evaluated the quickest most profitable way to do something. My wife is a whizzkid.

As you read the blurb describing how the fitness course guide put together his training don't you catch his bottomline approach? If you look into Jeunesse you can see it is based on cutting edge beauty and youthfulness and health products which is an industry with high retail value, but the bottomline is that any Fred or Freda can benefit in the marketing rewards. There is no reason anybody in the world should now be sitting on their bottomparts watching the world go by. MLM as a vehicle for earning puts wealth in everyone's hands if you choose to "market".
Millions go to TV Ad executives yearly, that now nolonger need to, it can be spread out equally through lines of referral....Fred tells Freda tells Jane tells Bob.
Residual income. Residual income seems too good to be true. It is continued income from one "piece of work". A book is resold and the author gets money. Films get reshown and actors get repaid. A piece of software gets sold years later and the person still gets paid.
MLM uses residual income incredibly effectively.

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But this is just my diving point.
Like the trainer, I spent my single money I could ill afford going to American Schools of Ministry events with all the names at Morris Cerullo events. I recognised that as Morris only collects up people at the top of the anointing stakes, then by far the best use of money is not to go to a conference with one anointed person...but go where there are 14. But I did the same with thirdlevel stuff, I also lived 15 years more or less non stop 73-88 in different 2nd level Kingdom community life. That's all there was. And yes....quite frankly a lot of it was like living with Job's friends...I was doing just as much Job friending. I told one girl to burn her Cliff Richard albums as they were too fleshly. They had drums in.....Oh yes...don't have any ideal view of me!!!! But I had been raised in the Spirit on the Fisherfolk LPs and Dave and Dale Garratt.

This what the Spirit showed me this morning.**
If you go to anointed churches they don't know the thirdlevel tricks yet, their characters can be quite frankly awful. If you go to evangelical and denominational churches which eschew the Holy Spirit's powerful gifts and only relate to the fruit of the Spirit, on the surface at least they can appear quite godly...but you will always notice this reserve, this distance.
Cindi Estep as you will know will always write about us being One...or One thing.
Well it's good to keep speaking that out. But wherever any of our independent self delusions haven't died yet....we are not One experientially. We are still stuck in
"Because you are not a hand and I am an eye I have no need of you etc."
Only Christ knows Christ, and that instantly.
If a man's will is to do the will of My Father then He shall know of the teaching whether it be of God.....ie instant download.
So this is what the Spirit said....
ONLY Spirit and Word gets the results.
Only the interaction constantly** between Spirit and fruit keeps churches healthy.
Fruit without signs and power manifestation creates these rather sluggish people who meander along having no idea how short the time is, and having no real fear of the Lord. After Ananias and Sapphira drop dead in front of you, you don't continue like John MacArthur and John Piper, content to do behavioural management sermons for decades with nothing really happening. You think....something equivalent to "Flip me! What was that?????"
But if you get too SIGN-CEntric on its own like Bethel, you completely miss most of the actual gospel whose whole aim is to turn Genesis 3 on its head and having us live completely with a Galatians 2:20 consciousness.
"I come to do Thy will....says Jesus in us...as it is written of Me in the Book...behold a Body thou hast prepared for me"

So Jesus Bill Johnson says...no Bill...today I am not doing meetings, the Father and I are.....and He tells Bill exactly what Christ Bill is in fact doing. "But I have a God Channel programme to do, I have to stand on the podium and generally let people admire me and learn about my gifts." "No Christ Bill isn't doing that today, that;'s all secondlevel stuff...." " What Jesus?"
These signs follow those who believe....BUT.....also....seek first the Kingdom of God and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS....what's that? whatever CHRISTYOU is doing today.....then all these things will be added unto you.
Spirit and Word
Power and fruit
Interaction
Engagement
Bottom line living
Tearing to shreds the floppy, crappy, sluggish, illdefined, tradition based BEAST that is the ROBOT CHURCH MACHINE that calls itself Christian today


Tearing to shreds the floppy, crappy, sluggish, illdefined, tradition based BEAST that is the ROBOT CHURCH MACHINE that calls itself Christian today