Saturday, 4 October 2025
Transition Alert
Sunday, 2 February 2025
Juan Carlos Ortiz prophesied of a Holiest Place generation
I've never done more than 6 weeks in the evangelical thing . Nearly none of the Jesus Move have . Many in the Jesus Move went from Enlightenment raised atheism and humanism and crashed through two states into what is , in the heavenly tabernacle the second room experience .. ..the Holy place .
So I honestly don't know what trying to do a going into your inner room thing is like as an evangelical .
The point of tongues , the point of the release of the Holy Spirit , is to zap you into the reality of these things . That was why Jesus suffered so badly and then was able to give everybody the three keys through Peter .
Repent .
Be baptised in water
Be filled with the Spirit
Today's Move of God like Juan Carlos Ortiz prophesied , does the full Ephesians hit !!!!
See , as it says in Ephesians ....Jesus never raised us in Christ and left us in an ante room , saying " ok wait just there , I'll see you later ".
He didn't plonk us in the Outer Courts with an ice cream .
He didn't put us in the holy place with some Bethel Redding earbuds . " Just sit right there and enjoy the Charismatic level ,while I just have fellowship with the 24 elders ".
No , Jesus raised us in Himself and has us seated with Him in the heavenly places .
One of the reasons we are baptised in the Spirit with fire and given the gift of tongues is because our poor Tavistock BBC occult mind is so far out of the loop , and having to catch up , God connects our spirit right away to accelerate us in Himself .
If baptism in the Spirit drove the normal Jews who didn't believe in Jesus as the Son of God nuts ....think what they felt about complete outsiders who had never done their 1700 years or whatever since Abraham .....Corinthians , Asia Minor people , Romans ..... No nothings spiritually from a Jewish standpoint .
We don't know what that's really like , but we do know what dynasty's of State Anglicans thought of us in the Jesus Move . We were teens and we were telling them .....them ...them.......about Christ .
Bishops , ordained Religious Instruction teachers , Anglican raised kids and adults . I'd not had much to do with Catholics until Germany . Anglicans were bad enough . And as for the Methodists I was raised with .....they didn't like me at all .
The Holy Spirit is given to
Convict us of sin , righteousness and judgment .
He is given us to be our Comforter , our military strengthener , our relating Friend , our Indwelling God .
He is our Teacher .
He is sent to lead us into all Truth so we don't go down spiritual cul de sacs.
He teaches us how to pray . He helps us in our weakness with groans and utterances too deep for words . If we ask anything in Jesus Name , conformed to His Person , it will be done for us .
Having been inside the worldwide tribe who took church from the firstlevel to the secondlevel I already had to ' leave ' my earthly family once .
I didn't leave geographically until later , but people like Benny Hinn and myself knew what it was like to even be in the same house as others , while part of that generation relocating church on earth .
We and the current Move of God are doing what Juan Carlos Ortiz prophesied . In the last 40 years we are moving the church kicking and screaming from the secondlevel ,the Pentecostal then charismatic church of the last 100 years , back into Acts .And two of the key indicators are
Addressing 1 Corinthians 12 : 14-26 head on , so we have the knowledge of the Book Surrounded by Idiots , except now in a Body of Christ and Tabernacles 4 Woods context ....
Addressing the Jerusalem Gate 10 of Nehemiah called Miphkad . Which means when we go out on fishing trips we nolonger try to be the lone Marvel Comic Super guy bringing in the biggest nets ....but we are prepared for that Samaritan , MKUltra dynasty family witch who like John 4 , we are asking to draw water for us .
Gate of Miphkad means relearning church completely without a king .
Because we have a Melchizedek king priest called Jesus .
In the third level we don't do rabbi synagogues any more . We do 1 John 1 Church .
We are a Gate , a Core of loving elders who have crossed the 1 Corinthians 12 : 14 -26 dysfunction barrier into Body homeostasis .
Do you know our body has about 24 parallel systems listed by Martin Felt in his 1990 book the Felt Formula .
This was written before the great upsurge in knowledge about prebiotics and probiotics and the gut biome wasn't even a phrase .
Thirdlevel Church is arriving on Platform 9 3/4 in your very city and town .
I hope Bill Johnson likes it . I hope Stan Warren and all the other Warrens that are left down Thorney Road like it . I hope Bridge Church and Elim Church and the Catholic Alpha Course priest Hayling Island like it .
But when God inspired Joel to write His " In the last days I will pour out My Spirit " prophecies
And
Ephesians 4 ,St Paul on the Mature Man
And
The latter house shall be greater than the former House , Jesus wasn't asking people's permission .
When , in 2014 , God put it in me to pray for these Samaritan women ....and Men ....like Ronald Bernhard .....to emerge from ' the System' , the Illuminati .....Jesus didn't ask my permission or anybody else's permission . He didn't ask Bill Johnson's permission or the permission of Robin D Bullock , Charlie Shamp or Elijah List.
He just said " This is what I'm going to do , pray ".
He said in Isaiah " I will give you the treasures of Darkness ".
At the moment , because these guys were raised in Mengele's Supersoldier Programme , during the period he was Dr Green in Paraguay , and during the Boys of Brazil period .....so many of these guys are clairvoyants and astral projection people , and remote viewers ......I have no idea how the Holy Spirit turns that around .....all I know is that Jesus is baptising with the Spirit and with fire like He did me and Morris Cerullo and David Hathaway at around 13 and 14.....so Jesus can do this stuff .
He doesn't ask our permission .
If you want another look at what Jesus Kingship means , checkout Psalm 2,because Bill Johnson and Stan Warren seem to think it's about bigger recording studios for earbuds .
Monday, 22 April 2019
The Holy Place and the Holiest Place: Two Different Operations entirely
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| Some Mormons building a replica Tabernacle of Moses |
That is, there is NO sunlight. The covered area functions inside the area of illumination and revelation.
There is a distinction though between the two parts of the covered area.
Unless we “ arrive” in the Kingdom totally broken, like Mary Magdalen and the first 3000 on the day of Acts who KNEW FIRSTHAND THAT YES, they had participated in the death of God Himself....
and had to choose , either like the rest of Jews today to be offended, or simply confess their part and be born again that day.
But usually it’s too much to leave our Genesis 3 world of natural separation thinking and go straight into the Light of the Lord. So for this we have a transition stage
of accustomisation to the Lord Himself who is Spirit, and is both the Manna and the Light of His Temple.
For this we have spiritual gifts.
We have the preaching of Anointed Word, either by secondlevellers, or preferably , were there more, thirdlevellers.
We have the new knowledge that we can
“ experientially crown Jesus” in entering His Presence with praise and thanksgiving.
“ Praise waits for You O Lord”
We learn firsthand the new Psalm 123 protocols of “ waiting on the Lord”
Exchanging our strength.... both physical AND MENTAL for His strength.
Are you waiting for a “BUT”
Are you waiting for the point of this post?
For the “ you have heard it said.... but I say unto you”.
For 50 to 100 years we have learned various “ techniques” for “ rubbing the Aladdin’s Lamp”
awaiting the genie to appear.
I am NOT SAYING IT IS NOT REAL.
Jesus Himself says
if you gather in My Name there I AM in your midst
He also says in Hebrews through the writer
“For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.”
Hebrews 2:11-12 KJV https://www.bible.com/bible/1/heb.2.11-12.kjv
From the loud feisty Baptist Church ( and I began in one , so I know)
through the High Anglican pure choral sound singing the Word of God
down to Bethel’s worship
Jesus Christ in different measures is inhabiting those beautiful sounds and giving revelation and confirmation of His Presence.
So please.... as I start to topple your birds nests, don’t think that what you have been in isn’t real. I get the impression with Jim Palmer and many others that they are going one stage too far with the baby and the bath water.... And the Jesus Baby doesn’t like it!!!!
I can only describe what happened to me.
To me , on three major occasions Gods Presence came in the kind of way where
whatever you decide or say in your heart
defines your whole life.
There’s a fourth one , but that was part of my beginners package, on the day I was baptised in the Spirit.
At 16 , God came into my bedroom and asked me how far I wanted to go.
I didn’t understand theology and grace , so I said what I knew. “ As far as I can”
As you more clever people will know , it’s not up to how far we do anything.... it’s up to us letting Jesus who has done everything work things inside us according to His own power.
The next one was the corporate gathering at Harrowgate Dales Bible Week 1976, where Ern Baxter simply asked us all like Mary , not to understand how, but to believe and simply say yes to the actual Jesus Christ being birthed within us.
The final one came a bit Jacob like. Remember Jacob was so pig sick with all that had happened . ( Apocryphal books say that he’d also been mugged and robbed of all his money so that’s why he had to place himself at the mercy of fellow “ money grabber” his uncle Laban. But he was so fed up he’d chosen a rock for a pillow!!! And God turned up of all places with a staggering dream.
He called the place the house of God, Bethel.
I was angry with Emsworth church, and so puzzled that that which Id sold everything for, in terms of relationships and university... had turned out such rubbish. This was December 1987 up a mountain inNorth Wales.
God ignored my anger at Emsworth church and just said
“ what is that to do with you? Do YOU WANT ME????”
So I stepped over that Romans 12.1 freefall line so many of us have “ clumsily “ stepped over which means like the Son of Man we have no place to call our home, no place to lay our head. We are marked men.
I say this because there’s a time when eating bird food in a nest is not enough. Either you, or we as mother birds have to do you a favour and kick you out of your nests so you learn
psalm 84..... how you fly around the altars of God yourself.
There’s two sides.
You have to learn the Galatians 2.20 walk
You have to learn to move within the Shekinah glory.
But here’s the thing now
It’s not in a meeting any more.
You have to learn what it is to be taken where you don’t want to go.
You have to be placed in places where you don’t want, but inside you are conscious, hey I need this to “ add to my faith”.
You have no idea what is best for you, but God does. He KNOWS HOW TO PULL OUT OF YOUR THINKING AND EXPERIENCE EVERY LAST SHRED OF GENESIS 3 thinking and living.
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| Colander Living |
THE HOLY PLACE
AND
THE HOLIEST PLACE
In the holy place , like Bethel, you are still doing things to get the Presence of God....
but then like one of those kitchen Colanders , the vestiges of your Genesis 3 thinking and being are like holes through which the the waters of God seap out....
and so we marvel how like Benny Hinn , in order to “ keep his anointing “ the poor chap has to pray for hours a day to make up for all the holes in his colander.
The Thirdlevel is about destroying your colander altogether so that like a whole uncracked pot, you haven’t got any cracks or very few..... and your whole day like Jesus ,
is just about doing what the Father is doing next anyway.
It’s a whole different way of living and viewing things.
first posted on Facebook by Chris Welch Good Friday 19/004/2019
Further reading David Swan's book
Wednesday, 29 November 2017
Lucifer in church?
What you don't know are these surrounding facts
- Maeve who had led Bono to the Lord, brought a picture of a bowl of fruit going off.
- Sally Prideaux (the one a few posts back who had been converted then LEFT QUICKLY out of Children of God Sect in the early 70s) had a picture of me stepping out of the swimming pool onto the side and walking away never to return. This is a lovely picture similar to Bethsaida when Jesus says to the cripple in the charismatic framework....do you want to hang around waiting for an Angel or do you want ME. Which is another aspect of the thirdlevel
- There used to be prayer meetings in the yard at Winsley and either here, or as I was led to march round the property 7 times during the time immediately before they threw me out....I was aware of a huge octopus spider type strength with its tentacles/legs over the whole church
- Telltale was the fact that when the current grace doctrines that are now commonplace here, from Romans were being shared, very very few of us went to Brighton to hear more. This was mid 80s
Then after this in Havant church 2002-12 I was really conscious that so little of the praise and worship was going anywhere. It's like there was a ceiling , and so rarely did the church push through.
So now, understanding that the only safe place, the only safe place....
is the secret place of the Most High
the thirdlevel
the Holiest Place BEYOND the altar of incense
or in Jewish Feast terms BEYOND the Day of Atonement and into Tabernacles
And that any church that halfheartedly sings praise songs without real connection with Jesus is now so liable to being diverted by the Fallen worship leader himself.
Hear this talk
Friday, 26 September 2014
The In Part is fading away - Phillip Owen Morris
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| The "in part" is fading away |
At the time of the writing of the book of Revelation, the Church was experiencing the Holy Place dimension (Revelation 1:12 and 3:15-16). There comes a time when we have to sacrifice that realm and ministry and trust the Lord to resurrect it in his way and in his time. Paul called the “gift” realm an “in part” realm, not the fullness. Once Elisha kissed his former ministry good-bye, he sacrificed the oxen. We must take the ministry that we have been involved in that we have thought was the fullness, but was really the “in part” or the “gift” realm, or the Holy Place dimension, and sacrifice it as Elisha did. We must lay it down and allow God to raise it up in his way and in his time. Then it will be greater than just an “in part” manifestation. Paul said, “But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.” The Greek word “perfect” in this scripture means “complete in growth, in mental and moral character; of full age.” This speaks of maturity. The word “perfect” in this scripture also means “man” and “perfect.” In Ephesians 4:13, Paul wrote, “Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ” (emphasis added). We, the full grown, mature body of Christ = a perfect man which is Christ the Lord. This is not referring to separate, individual places of worship or to separate denominations or to any religion. It is referring to the body of Christ—every Church in every city, in every state, in every nation in which the Lord Jesus Christ is the Head. That is what the Lord is telling the Church in Revelation 3:15. If you stay in an “in part” realm when God wants you to move on, you become lukewarm. You lose that first love. If you won’t sacrifice the ministry and go into the place of Revelation 4:1, and come up to the Most Holy Place experience, there will be a lukewarmness that will settle over you. There was a time in my life when I thought I was in the ultimate ministry. I did not want to leave that ministry, but God was dealing with me. I did not want to lay it down, but I sensed within my spiritual life a lukewarmness, until I finally made the decision to lay it down and go into the ministry that proceeds out of the Most Holy Place. I did not know what God was doing at that time though. When God wants us to move from one realm to the next, but we are satisfied with just being stuck in the middle, we are saying that we are rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing. When God wants us to move on with him but we are satisfied right where we are, we are saying, “We have numbers, we have money, we have programs, and we have a ministry.” And God is saying, “Don’t you know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked?” Then in Revelation 3:18 the Lord tells them, “I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.” Isaiah 55:1 says that we are to buy without money and without price—without works of the flesh. We buy with our hunger for him. And only because of his grace, do we receive his gold (divine nature), his raiment of righteousness, and his ability to see spiritual things. In Revelation 5, John was weeping because no man could open the book. No man can open the book, and no amount of “what we go through” can open the book. No works can open the book. Nothing we do can open the book within and cause the life of the Lamb and the rivers of living water to flow out of our innermost being. If we suffer with him we reign with him, and we suffered at the cross of Calvary. That is what he is saying when he says, “I counsel you to buy of me gold tried in the fire.” Jesus experienced a fire, a judgment, a bitter cup, at the cross over 2000 years ago. At first, he didn’t even want to drink it. Then he said, “Not my will but thine, be done.” And that is when his fire began to become our fire. His suffering became our suffering. No man can open the book. No matter what we do, we cannot open the book. Only when you receive the Lamb that was slain can the book be opened. In Revelation 3:20, the Lord said that if we’d open the door, he would come in and sup. The biggest meal is at the end of the day. For over 2000 years we’ve been at the end of the age of the Mosaic Law, but blinded from that truth by the god of this world. God has given us a hand-written invitation to come to this super supper he has prepared. We’ve opened the door and we are beginning to partake. We have “come up hither.” Jesus is more than life itself. He is more than the necessary food that we eat. Jesus is more than anything! He’s everything! To have the book of life that is within us unsealed on the backside—crucified, died, buried—means that out of us, can flow the life of the Lamb—quickened, raised, and seated. That is why we were created in the first place. We were made to become a praise and a worship unto him. We were created to have him, the rivers of living waters, reproduced out of us. When we understand the book of Revelation there is going to be a great outflowing coming from all of us. There have been so many things that have come against the body of Christ that unless we can grab a hold of this spiritual understanding that it is not what we must suffer, but what we have already suffered, we will not begin to reign with him in the throne. I’m so convinced of this that I’m angry. The word tells us to be angry and sin not. Anger is just a sign that tells us that we need to move forward to confront those things that have come against us. Unless we grab a hold of this, Matthew 21:43 says that the kingdom will be given to another nation. It could be given to a people who are only experiencing the Holy Place at this time. A people who are hungry. A people who are desperate. A people who
know that there is more than the baptism of the Holy Spirit, there is more than the gift realm, and they are crying out from the Holy Place to find it. But there is a people here and now, that are walking in the kingdom. There is a people in the deeper life experience of the Most Holy Place that are experiencing throne realm dominion. The Lord has brought this word for that purpose. We are walking in the kingdom and experiencing the place that we are already seated in. We are no longer trying to get into a chair that we are already seated in. We’re living it more and more with each passing day! It is naturally supernaturally walking itself out, through the self-fulfilling power of his word (Isaiah 61:11 Amplified Bible)! Right now, we are coming out of the Most Holy Place to see how we got there. And as we do, we are filling our mind with the knowledge and the understanding of how we got there—which is the death, the burial, and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. We are not eating the lamb in haste as the Israelites did when they came out of Egypt. We are enjoying the marriage supper of the Lamb with our feet underneath his table. In this kingdom age we will not go out with haste, nor by flight; for the Lord has gone before us, and the God of Israel is our rear guard (Isaiah 52:12). When we experienced initial salvation we ate the Lamb with haste in our first look at the cross. But as we take a second look we are savoring every detail of the finished work of Calvary.
Phillip Owen Morris
Wednesday, 28 August 2013
There is No Plan B Anglicans/Catholics/Charismatics!!!
When the Jews died in the wilderness. They died in the wilderness. Their entire call was to make it through to their own land. It wasn't for them to suddenly think, you know, I rather fancy the other side of the Mediterranean. (Actually, ever noticed Julius Caesar called Greeks "Danaos" from the tribe of Dan...who formed Greece?)
Catholicism and Anglicanism have played dosey doe with the charismatic revelation that earlier, when it was just the pentecostals, they tried to crush underfoot. But there is no plan B. God won't think up some alternative just for Anglicans and Catholics. They either go with it, or their churches will be bought by rug sales merchants, or made into bijou apartment blocks. You don't give up on the CLOUD or the PILLAR OF FIRE, and look for an alternative style of God from a menu sheet. God doesn't ask you whether His pillar of fire matches your decor. There is no plan B. This is the last call, before the Titanic sinks. If we were called to a Plan B, why not a Plan C, and a billion other plans. That actually is the world system anyway. God had only one Plan. Follow Him. Where He is now. Not where He was in 300AD or 1500 or 1870, or 1960. He only knows NOW, He is the I AM.
II. There is no Plan B. The Jews had their charismatic movement. They were baptised "into Moses" under a pillar of fire and cloud. Those in pentecostal and charismatic churches today, or watching God TV must realise there is no Plan B. There is only one heavenly blueprint or heavenly tabernacle which is the narrow way of God into Himself...who is super broad!!! The blue priint goes approximately like this...and these are the earthly copies...brazen altar/laver...dive undercover into the Holy Place, go right through that into the Holiest Place of all where God actually dwells.
And history has taken those exact steps. There is no Plan B. Luther flagged up the brazen altar of Christ. No going through priests. That spiritual knowledge changed everything down here too...because one individual became important. And within decades democracy was born.
The Laver was the 1600s and the Baptists. The Quakers and Pentecostals pushed on into the Holy place. But they got out their deckchairs, sunned themselves and died in the wilderness. When was the last Quaker or Pentecostal building you saw? Friends Meeting House just about hangs on in London. Most Pentecostal tin huts are now sold off, demolished or empty. Or moved with the cloud a bit, like Kensington Temple in London.
In every town in most regions of the world there is a modern "wilderness" congregation, believing approximately along the lines of the Holy place. They have their Holy Spirit style of worship, and though some are huge.There are African ones of 30,000 or more. There is the big South Korean one which has just split into some sattellites down from 800,000. But it's all Plan B. The Quakers were also very big in the 1600s. They even went and formed a new nation!!! A small one, called America. But Quakers are still Plan B, and almost dead.
See, Plan A is Christ being formed in us as us. If you want to check that out, check the very last box in the Holy of Holies. The one with the pot of manna(which came fresh remember, delivered every morning, but twice on Fridays by divine delivery.But they didn't do sabbath deliveries.) Not only that , the 10 Commandment stones weren't like the modern stonehenge in America, the Guidestones....standing on the grass somewhere...NOPE they are inside the Box. God Himself is becomingthe Keeper of all those Laws within you in Christ. There is no plan B. You can't invent another version of Christianity like Anglicanism or Catholicism. From the moment you signed up by faith, you proclaimed Death to your very own religion on a placard. PLAN A is God forming Himself on your insides, such that He becomes a permanent Resident, with His Personal Glory hovering overhead in everything you are and do. But it's Him dong it and working it. The heat is on Him. You do the believing. So stopping short in the wilderness like charismatics, and just doing your meetings, when God has a whole Land for you to walk about in , Him as you, doesn't really cut it. And the proof is in those rug sales shops in the Quaker meeting rooms, and the ailing members in the Word of faith conferences, all puffing on their asthmatic inhalers at 80 years of age.
There is no Plan B. Jesus said, before you even began the Tower, you should have looked to see if you had enough to complete it. because halfbuilt towers strewn all over the landscape as memorials to previous Wilderness dwellers, just get laughed at. On "Vicar of Dibley" reruns.
Jesus said "Take care what measure you use, for by that measure it will be measured back to you."
The Ephesians "measure" is very different from the Catholic, Anglican, and charismatic measure. Chapters 1 to 3 are in fact about your death and resurrection IN Christ. Catholics and Anglicans as everybody knows on Vicar of Dibley, are very much alive. Exactly as they ever were. The gospel says you have completely died at your inner centre, and been raised with Christ. This kind of measure gets God measuring Himself back to You in Acacia Box type measurement devices in the Holiest place of all....7 pieces of heavenly furniture in. Which means your generation won't have to die again. because you have died already, and it is not you who now live but Christ living in you. (Galations 2:20)
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Saturday, 6 July 2013
Final Part of the Covenant Series P19: The Bond of the Covenant by Daniel Yordy
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Final Observations:
Let every word You speak be fulfilled in me
in all that You mean and forever.
Tuesday, 25 June 2013
The meaning of St Paul's "When I am with you in spirit"
Saturday, 30 July 2011
Quarbyists and Brethrakers
The property was sold by the Quakers in 2006Quarbyists and Brethrakers
Since God let the whole New Covenant seed fall into the ground and die a death, because it still contained dead religious works seed, then began again with Luther a raising up of a Church "come down out of heaven", we as a New Covenant people have been trekking along the by now familiar furniture of the Heavenly Sanctuary. The brazen altar of the one time Exchange of Life that took place in the Body of Jesus on the Cross.
The Laver of God's Word where we see mirrored our glorious new Indweller, Christ.
Then came the tricky bit. Forgotten by most for hundreds of years....
How do you do this bit again? Aaaah. You don't. The Holy Spirit does. You see there is no natural light in the next bit. It's the Holy Place. The one before the Holiest Place which is the final destination.
The Holy Place is only lit by the candlestick. Nuffink else.
And in here we have stayed , in different manifestations, for hundreds of years now.
The early discoveries of the manifestations of the Holy Spirit were made in the Quaker movement.
Hence the quaking and the shaking.....initially through godly terror coming on those saving themselves from much of what was around at the period: Free- for- all fornication, drunkenness, gambling...
Shortly after came the Darby movement of Brethren. Their enlightenment about the Word is very like today's Fred Pruitt or Andre Rabe or Francois DuToit. They were an incredible missionary movement, who firmly believed now we have the Word in all its fulness....and my....in their skilful expositions , was it ever full?, that we had absolutely no need whatsoever for the supernatural and the manifestations of the Spirit. We are mature now.
If you took Ole's Pillar of fire and Cloud exposition to extremes that's what you'd end up with. You can read it on my blog.
The reason I've squashed up the two main exponents of this area of God's tabernacle into one weird mish mash in the title is this.
For next to 2 centuries we haven't advanced in real terms at all in the Body of Christ. Because nothing new has been uncovered. The Quakers and the Brethren are both joined at the hip in this respect too.
Both movements uncovered the true structure of the Kingdom of God. i.e. Pretty well none!!!!
In the Holy Place we really are functioning not just as Luther said in theory, here everyone really was behaving as a Kingdom of priests.Anybody could have a "hatha". King James says each one hatha gift (1 Corinthians 12)
Brethren and Quakers were NO END of trouble for salaried hirelings of the Kingdom in all the previous sects. Their way of operating was utterly offensive and threatening. What if all Christians behaved in this way. I wouldn't get my salary, then I'd have to go out and work for a living?!!!?
The pentecostal movement of the 20th Century insisted on an experience with the Holy Spirit, but this was just a stronger echo of the Continental Pietist movement. The charismatic movement of the 1960s was a kind of "catchup" rerun of earlier movements to collar more of those in denominations, and quicken them to some spiritual realities.
BUT ESSENTIALLY NOTHING WAS NEW . It IS ALL THE SAME RERUN OF HOLY PLACE revelation.
The twin revelations of the Holy Place are these. And they are both sides of the coin .
Darby = the 12 pieces of shewbread as revealed in the Light of the Holy Spirit's candlesticks, the enlightened Word.
Quakers were more forcibly contemplative and proactively waiting on the Living Holy Spirit to "move " a person to express a gift of the Spirit. This definitely errs more to the candlestick of the Holy Spirit directly.
And do you know something? If you attend an Andre Rabe event, or a Francois event, or invite Fred Pruitt round, this is largely what you'll get....a Holy Place format, almost Brethren dish, served up with piping hot Christ to nourish you and propel you onwards. Much the same as the Brethren.
So what changed?
This is personal opinion. Others may want to add to this.
I would say nothing in Christendom really changed in terms of the corporate until two men did something slightly different. One man, face down in an Episcopal crypt for months on end. The other a retired missionary of WEC.
First the crypt
Graham Pulkingham was totally totally broken at his own powerlessness as an Episcopal Minister surrounded by a broken area of downtown Houston. Like the priests in Joel 2, his brokenness led him to crisis encounter...I believe in his person, he experienced the death and resurrection of Christ in real terms, the way a lot of us on Facebook now have. In that openness of spirit he found his way to David Wilkerson's office and the rest as they say is history....EXCEPT FOR THIS DETAIL....
What raised itself around Graham was unlike David Wilkerson, who remained a rather singular character to the end of his prophetic days.....
No, around Graham was something i dont really think we've seen much. Perhaps a bit with Mel Tari in the Indonesian Revival. This was a supernatural body of people packed with Holy Spirit anointing moving and living together, not just giving gifts to each other in meetings like Darby and Quakers...
No, this was getting to be an early glimpse of the sort of Body Act2 was. They didn't go to meetings. They were all an individual meeting with the Living Saviour, who when they reassembled were a collective powerhouse of God which couldnt help but hoover people into the Kingdom around them. And when they left the States, one of the first places they hoovered was our school and neighbourhood! That's why I have the Vision of the Church in my very insides to dragoon you with. I was a hoovered one....so to speak. In that moment I saw the Kingdom and I have operated in that Melchizedek Kingdom ever since, although most of those around me have stayed put in their previous incarnations thinking that because God once blessed, they too are still following the Melchizedek order. Phooey. It's moved on!
This way of ministering blows out of the water Morris Cerullo, Rheinhard Bonnke,David Hathaway....you name your favorite Power preacher....Oh Fred doesn't have one, I forgot....
Acts 2 clearly states that Peter standing with the eleven, began to speak.....
THIS IS A DIFFERENT ORDER OF MINISTRY BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE TO BE ONE AND YOU ALL HAVE TO CARRY THE ANOINTING. Which today is tough on 2 counts. We're not single eyed enough to be in the Unity of the Faith and secondly very few carry an active anointing....you know, the one that does the supernatural!!
Secondly - The Retired missionary
His name ofcourse Norman Grubb.
Before this, who honestly knew about "separation".
Separation is the terrible terrible deadly virus that bit us in genesis 3. The lie that there is such a thing as a God out there, as distinct from the very life I am living now. "If you would be like God..." said the devil...you do this.
Well firstly we could never be like God, because all we ever were was particular branch manifestations of VINE life, how else are we going to have power to exist? There is only one self-existent one in the universe. There is indeed ONLY ONE life in the universe. Everything else, though used for its own ends, is but a derivation of that ONE PURE LIFE IN GOD.Secondly we don't gain God if we could by works, and we can't cos we're already connected...
This mystery you will have to read more about in Norman Grubb's final book Yes I Am.See my blog.I have no room here.
So what do these 2 advances mean?
What do these advances MEAN? You're kidding me! This plus the discoveries of David Swan and Ed Miller who are seeing all this from the heavenly angle are nothing less than the Corporate Entry into the HOLIEST PLACE. Because Norman Grubb wasnt ever baptised in the Spirit he never really saw church other than what it was in his lifetime, a disparate group of 3rdlevellers going around the odd group here and there all over the world, raisng up mature individuals in Christ. He had no concept of what the charismatic movement had really been preparing the world for.
A corporate empowered Body with a 3rd level vision encapsulated in my last blogpost The Lord's Prayer as Template : The Apocalypse and the Unveiling of Christ.
You see, though Graham Pulkingham could share about his experience of the death and resurrection of Christ in his being....he was too early to have twinned with Norman Grubb on all the theory. And John Wimber could have been the man in the eighties, but none of their groups would allow Nancy Gilmore to share, so John remained backward as well. Listen folks, i'm all for honoring God's servants, because John Wimber did take things a stage further from Graham Pulkingham, but , like the Bible, when it comes to my own life in particualr and now anybody elses I call a spade a spade. It's the quickest way. And John Wimber's crowd were just too arrogant and not desperate enough to listen to Nancy Gilmore . Who knows? Thirty years ago, had they done so, would any of us be bothering to write all this down now?
Possibly a third major new thing?
Perhaps there is something else too. Christian media notwithstanding. In 1976, with the new found vision of an empowered Body of Christ, fed by newly rediscovered supernatural ministries of Apostle and prophet a man called Ern Baxter in the Dales Bible Week did something different. He called everyone into their local tribes . Because we are geographical ambassadors for the King. We each have a patch!!!! And as local churches in an area, we are meant to have spiritual rulership...because right now in the heavenlies we DO! And to my knowledge the first ever serious bit of Ephesians 6 corporate warfare was carried out in the Spirit, and by Spirit direction.
This pattern was developed further in the 90s through the ministry of Peter Wagner and was mainly directed at all the inhospitable regions of the 10/40 window. God appeared to many in those areas sovereignly, without human intervention. He also raised up Rory and Wendy in particular to set up sattellite TV in a more global way than ever before. Now though I've explained the third level with them for an hour 6 months before they even knew about being called to raise up God TV, at present they are sticking firmly to first and secondlevel revelation of Christianity. What I have mentioned above.Christianity that takes us up to around 1800 or 1900. In other words, even with Rick Joyner involved, way, way, past its sell by date.
As Andre Ousterhuizen, Francois DuToit and many others will say...."Why bother with a christianiity that doesn't go beyond the veil? Does nobody know the veil was ripped from top to bottom. We can all go in now?" Yes saints. But not just as an individual expression. There is a whole corporate expression of the same truth!
- Paul Nobleas I know something of the Brethren I will chip in here! They did experience the gifts of the Holy Spirit including healing at the beginning but closed them down because they thought it was drawing attention to themselves. They believed and... practiced the priesthood of all believers and waiting on the Holy Spirit but rapidly split as prominent teachers became the focus and the same old pyramids grew up I of Paul I of Derby Etc.See more14 July at 16:13 · · 1 personRichard Epps likes this.
- Chris Welch Dear Rich...and Linda..I think you've got some of the gist of what you have to "do"...that is very little...i think you've been going along the path He wanted you to. Rather than take away anything, any Word that I m bringing is in the spirit of the 2 Peter 1:5 list and "to your faith add..."but this list wont help much because it is another individual list which for 20 Centuries the church has been really good at.14 July at 21:10 ·
- Chris WelchThere are two ways God is building His House, 3 if you include the St Paul method. There's the Quarry method, as in Solomon's Temple, where all the work is done off site. And there is the Ezekiel bones method of "bones rattling as they join... together." This is the disciples and Jesus, and the disciples and Acts 2 method, and this across the whole earth is also the natural family norm. St Paul was a hybrid, being all but a murderer of Christians his name didnt come up onthe short list for church membership to most Judean churches anyway. So (probably lucky for us) He had some one to one time with the best teacher of all, Jesus. Then he filled out his revelation with some church life. Mine was in reverse.See more14 July at 21:16 · · 2 peopleLoading...
- Chris WelchIt's OK getting stuff individually as most of our generation have had to do, but as a method for dispersing seed it really sucks. In tuning terms it's a bit like stopping at middle C (the first note) and trying to convince someone that you'...ve tuned the whole piano.Next comes the octave. This is the blueprint church, which like the disciples in terms of churchlife, took 3 years. Then when the central octave is done you wait for the parthians and all the others to visit Jerusalem for a Feast, and you inundate the lot of them in a drunken massive hit of worship, glory and Presence, and then let the "central octave" try to explain that one away without collapsing John Crowder style on the floor








