Showing posts with label Andrea Garzon. Show all posts
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Thursday, 9 August 2012

Dr Steve Mc Vey's Alternative Facial Clinic


Spoof.
Dr Steve McVey's Alternative Facial Surgery Clinic.
For several years now Dr Steve McVey has been saving women thousands of pounds on cosmetic and reconstructive surgery. We sent our underground reporter Miss Andrea Garzon to see if
it would work for her.
She shuffled into his surgery with deep lines under her eyes hidden behind deep-rimmed dark glasses.
"So you are not going to put me under the knife at all Dr McVey?"
"I haven't found it to be necessary. In all the years that I have been operating I have found a simple three stage procedure is all that is required."
In appointment one Andrea learned that every single bad thing that she had done or was ever likely to do had already been washed away 2000 years ago at the Cross of Jesus. Immediately her face had lifted and she was beaming with joy.
In appointment 2 Andrea learned her true identity, that she was in fact primarily spirit, and that her "feelings" and "her thoughts" which could be quite oppressive and dark, weren't in fact her at all. By the end of the appointment much of the "inner programming" that she had always thought was her had been replaced by the truth of God's Word about her. Dr McVey called this product Grace, and made it clear that absolutely anone could get hold of this product. By now many of the wrinkles around Andrea's forehead had disappeared completely.
By the third appointment, Andrea fairly skipped in and wanted to hear the last instalment.
"You'll like this, Andrea." Dr Mc Vey said. "You see Galations 2:20 says we have died completely at our inner centre. Our spirit that was so linked in its identity to Satan himself had to be destroyed completely at the Cross, and we all had to be raised totally new in Christ as new creations. So actually Andrea you are not patching up something old. You're not struggling to be someone different. You already are. Christ in union with your spirit is glowing out through your personality and your body....He is in short living His Life out as you in your very own form. "
Andrea couldn't believe it could get so good. By now all the lines had disappeared from her face, and in the final photograph you can see she nolonger needed her dark glasses at all."
"How much will that be Dr McVey?"
"I have my own supply " he replied. "Isn't your facial reconstruction treatment in direct competition with Harley Street doctors and New York Surgeons, and Brazilian surgeries? she asked.
Actually, it was and Dr Steve McVey has to now keep in hiding because of death threats frommany commercial establishments.
Report compiled from Andrea's notes by Chris Welch.








Thursday, 24 November 2011

The Negative Spiritual Power of Mixture Part Four - The NOW Antidote to Mixture



Sin only has it's ability to attach itself to a False Identity....if we want sin to perpetuate in this world with all it's ugliness of greed and separation, it's us and them mentality with all it's filthy stench of inferiority and superiority inducing attitudes, then we should carry on with identifying ourselves (who we perceive ourselves to be) with a lie.....
To place 'confidence in the flesh' is not so much about your natural abilities, it is primarily about identity......placing confidence in an identity formed by your natural existence will produce both arrogance and inferiority, and they both stink as filthy rags and will repel those around you....yet knowing your true being, which existed in love before your natural birth, has such a powerful confidence with absolutely no trace of arrogance, and the fragrance emanating from this 'knowing' carries a recognition and remembrance to those around you of their own true being which was Created in Love..... Colin Lagerwall

REAL LOVE IS NOW
Real love also cannot centre itself in Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil stuff. or put another way , real love only works NOW. Our plans are for the future.Or our perceptions are about how the past was. But LOVE is NOW, and that operates f...rom a different place right within us. I've never seen that so forcefully here this morning: http://www.holdingonloosely.com/deep-calls-to-deep/
With Love at the centre we are free to do all. Living in the control of our own perceptions it actually is impossible to experience NOW, we're too much in the future in worry, or too much in the past in regret or pride. Now it's one thing to teach this stuff, it's quite another to gather together and live there as ONE. So for this reason was the Holy Spirit given so that we would know how (in the Spirit) to maintain the unity of the Spirit until we arrive to the unity of the faith.The Holy Spirit builds the landing strip as more and more Kingdom comes into land.Here I speak of "outer enduring manifestation" or unity of faith, rather than what Jesus plunged us into which was unity of Spirit. Not by might, nor by power but by my Spirit expresses the language by which this is accomplished. The language of the Spirit is the language of the Tabernacle and the Feasts, but not the Jewish outer forms, the inner corporate experience of the Book of Hebrews Melchizedek order. The reason Paul wrote : I cannot speak much of this now, was that it is on a "timing release". People in the Pentecostal revelation are having that stage revealed to them, subjects to do with the Holiest Place and Jesus living as us are at that time impossible to comprehend. But then the Body grows, and the Holy Spirit releases more according to His heavenly language. Chris Welch

"Jesus said to Martha: Your brother shall rise again. Martha replied: I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said to her: I AM Myself the Resurrection and the Life." So, we don't wait for "the last days" or "the final hour" to come, for the time HAS fully come. We are just exploring the promised land (Jesus) we are already IN.   Andrea Garzón

He is in this present moment, and has forever been “The “NOW” God! His name is I AM, it’s not I WAS, or I WILL BE! (Exodus 3:14) He is called THE EVER PRESENT HELP in time of trouble! (Psalm 46:1) He is the ETERNAL GOD! (Deuteronomy 33:27) He is Not the God who lives in the illusionary boundaries of TIME! There is NO TIME IN HIM! (II Peter 3:8)

As Linda and I were praying, God said to Linda, our looking up is a symbolism of looking for the “God up there”, for the God who is separated from us and who lives in the FUTURE!

"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here LOOKING INTO THE SKY? This SAME JESUS, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in THE SAME WAY you have seen Him go into heaven." (Acts 1:11)

How have we interpreted this passage in modern times? This SAME JESUS will come back again in the SAME WAY! This Jesus, who only does what He sees His Father doing, will ALWAYS manifest himself in the exact SAME WAY! Since He is the SAME Yesterday, Today, and Forever, and the ONE on whom we have our gaze FIXED, HE will ALWAYS show up THE SAME WAY, loving us without condition, and without guilt or condemnation! He will ALWAYS welcome us with open arms as His beloved! So let’s move onto maturity and SEE HIM AS HE IS! He will ALWAYS be the SAME, with NO variableness or shadow of turning! He will ALWAYS be blazing Glory, casting no shadow! And because He ALWAYS SEES ONLY THE FATHER IN ALL THINGS, He will NEVER have a reason to turn to the right or to the left! His gaze is fixed, so where is ours?

People say a lot of things about Peter, but at least Peter got out of the boat! He fixed His gaze on Christ, and for a moment he experienced “AS HE IS SO ARE WE IN THIS WORLD!” (I John 4:17) But then Peter began to FEEL the wind stirring up the lapping waves, and he TURNED to the right, and then he TURNED to the left, and He started sinking! And then Jesus looked at him with total disgust and let him drown, right? No, Jesus saved him, as HE will ALWAYS save those who call on HIM! There is no shadow of turning “IN” HIM! (Mathew 14:28-31)

The lamb was cut and the blood was poured into a basin at the foot of the doorway. The hyssop was taken from the basin on the threshold (looking down) of the doorway, dipped in the lambs blood and applied to the top of the doorway (looking up) and then both sides (the turning to the right and the left!) of the doorway!

This Passover is not only about the blood that protects from the death angel, as we have been taught, but is also a pointing to of the POWER OF THE BLOOD OF CHRIST (His one time sacrifice for all mankind) which makes this “FIXED” life not only possible, but “NOW” fully expected! This is where we see ONLY GOD, ONLY NOW! The blood has washed away the past and the future, and any inclination we might have for looking to the right or the left! There is no past or future “IN” Him! And if there is no past or future “IN” Him, then why would there be any need for us to turn? Christ is OUR ALL! He is our PAST, PRESENT, and FUTURE!

We “NOW” enter in the entry way by THE NEW AND LIVING WAY! (Hebrews 10:20) The same way that we once believed to be a set of rules, or a philosophy, or traditions of men! The way that had us bound in chains to a past that doesn’t even exist “IN” Him, has “NOW” become the ONLY NEW AND LIVING WAY! And the NEW AND LIVING WAY ONLY EXISTS IN THE “Now” of the NEW AND LIVING "TODAY!" (Hebrews 4:7)

Christ has become our food and drink, the DAILY Manna which we have not known, nor have our fathers! (Deuteronomy 8:3) He is the “Mystery” hidden from ages and past generations. (Colossians 1:26) The lamb’s blood which at one time only covered, is ”NOW” THE BLOOD that thoroughly cleanses! Cleanses from ALL SIN! And by SIN, I don’t mean the individual acts we commit by certain so called UN-Christian behaviors we may exhibit. Behaviors we focus on that cause us to be obsessed with trying to change our UN-Christian Behavior into Christian behavior! So we can TRY to become Christ Like! There is ONLY ONE WHO IS CHRIST LIKE, that is CHRIST Himself! God is not a behaviorist, He is in fact a Love-ist! And we no longer pray to a separated God “up there” or “down the road!” But for some reason, many in the modern day church can’t seem to move past the false belief of a God that exists separate from them! The God “up there”, “down the road”, or the one they have to keep looking to their right or their left to try and find!

The ONLY TRUE SIN FOR THE BELIEVER IS IN SEEING MORE THAN GOD! It’s what James called being double minded, Paul called a wicked unbelieving heart, and Jesus himself called evil!

“Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. It is NOT UP in heaven, so that you have to ask, "Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" NOR IS IT BEYOND the sea, so that you have to ask, "Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" NO! THE (LIVING) WORD IS VERY NEAR YOU, IT (HE) IS “IN” (present tense) YOUR MOUTH AND “IN” (present tense) YOUR HEART SO YOU MAY OBEY IT (HIM)! (Deuteronomy 30:11-14) Rich Novek (FB note 6th Aug 2010_The Now God)

We can hold on to what we thought true before, but it might not have abundant Life flowing from the eternal River within you spirit. Thoughts are the centre of deception unless they are rooted in Truth in you, the deeper Source, Christ within. There is only One Christ and our becoming conscious of this deeper Life is the only discovery with eternal value. What you did yesterday does not matter when you discover your true identity in Him, what you know now is the power that either gets you living in Him or that keeps you living in the dimension of thoughts that might be inferior and not based on Truth at all. The systems in the world keep us busy with stuff that makes us feel inferior and inadequate and insecure. We mostly feel guilty, we worry about almost everything and we are scared to death of not finding God’s approval and maybe not making it into heaven one day.
 Living in yesterday and fearing tomorrow make us miss today! We miss living in His awesome moment NOW. Our minds are deceived about the truth of our identity, so we strive to become someone better today, than we were yesterday and somehow never feel that we got it right. This trying to become keeps us just short of making it, so we stay in guilt and shame and striving to do better tomorrow. All the power of healing is in the moment, in a moment you can forgive, you can love, you can set free and care.  Our gift is revealed in the moment, His Life you can share with all and this is Life is the moment, Now!
 We are His moment, we are His appointment, we are His Life on earth as it is in heaven. We are His address, we are His dwelling place, see His presence now is within man. We either wake up to knowing His Presence now, or we stay neutralized by the lie of trying to get to Him somewhere, someplace, sometime in a future happening. Our striving to go to heaven one day might keep you from discovering His fullness in your spirit today, NOW! Do not miss out on finding your true identity in Him by believing in one day, rather lift up your eyes to His presence within you and feast with Him today! Now is the time, today the Day of the Lord!
Dafre Troskie Now the Wow Moment

Unity NOW - GOD Left nothing out already!!!   Chris Welch
Hebrews 2 :8-9
In putting everything under them(mankind/sons of men),[d] God left nothing that is not subject to them.[e] Yet at present we do not see everything subject to them.[f] 9 But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
Ephesians 4:7“When he ascended on high,
   he took many captives
   and gave gifts to his people.”

 Ephesians 4:15 speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

Ephesians 4 :3
Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
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So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
 Often we strive for things and wonder why they are unattainable, one of these is unity.
But we are looking in the wrong place. We are looking with our eyes for something perceivable with which to work with, which we can manipulate. This is the whole basis of the most extreme example : the Ecumenical Movement. But really all of us are like it.

Let's take a step backwards : the gift of salvation.
We are sinners. We see the Bible. We see the high standards. We start going to church. We are convicted by the high moral standards coming from the pulpit. But we know we are powerless to change. Then we hear of Jesus sacrifice. Wow , by believing on this sacrifice, that is none of ourselves, we learn we can be reconnected to God. It's been done already. We gratefully accept, and experience in our own being the glory of being instantly reconnected with God.
Unity
Well, how strange it is....but every thing in God is this. Unity too. This is the antidote to the negative spiritual power of mixture and disunity........"to stand still and see the salvation of our God". It's already here.You're too late to go and fetch any of it. It's already arrived!
 In the tabernacle picture are three places that are kind of like the corporate equivalents to the individually experienced three stages of growth :children ,young men,fathers. Outer courts,holyplace,holiest place.

Now because of our weakness, not because of fact......inside the middle area there is a table of shewbread.Take this as Christ Food which we must, eat all the while referring to the candlestick which speaks of the gifts and power of the Holy Spirit in preparing us for maturity.

Because of our weakness, and not because it is fact, those pieces of bread are neatly portioned up into twelve
notional portions.  It is ofcourse notional, because Christ is not in fact divided. But children and young men in Christ (both sexes in the Spirit) cannot handle the WHOLE OF HIM. Obviously there are heights and depths to knowing the love of God in every portion of our being, and one by one the Holy Spirit invades every part with His light. What does He find there.....neutral ground? No, there is no neutral ground. Every part that is not filled with His light is still filled with darkness. While these processes are going on we forebear one another in love. We maintain the keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

When the Holy Spirit pours Himself out on believers He doesn't come and promise one day when people are good enough He will bring unity. He brings the FACTS of heaven NOW.

The NOW fact of heaven is : God left NOTHING that is not subject to mankind.  He completed the job.
We do not see the job completed with our eyes, but in each Spirit-filled meeting that is genuine, the Holy Spirit broadcasts  heaven's finished frequency!   He creates that Spirit model among the believers. Then says walk in it!

I love God's way of doing things. Man's perception of God is that He would stand afar off, and we would use spiritual gifts in some way to make ourselves more approachable to Him.
Our real God is not like that. Instead, knowing our weakness to be able to produce anything at all, HE exports all of heaven NOW for us by the Spirit in the meeting....or in other ways. We are not trying to attain Him, He repeatedly splashes us from His River with heaven now. And this takes root in our beings, transforming us from darkness to Light. But it is RECEIVED from His finished work, not us trying to use spiritual building blocks to somehow get to  it.

What are His tools?
  • Well tool one, the most important, is that He has done it all already on the Cross. He has broken down the "dividing wall of hostility". The Temple veil has been once for all rent in two.From the word go we enter beyond the veil right where Jesus is in the Holy of Holies.
We are part of a generation that are now seeing this as a way of life, not just meetings.We do not see everything in subjection with our outer eyes. With our outer eyes we see mixture. We see disunity. but with our inner eyes we gaze upon Mark One Prototype of an innumerable host of like brethren. The fact that the One made it through and has now poured out His same life by the Spirit, means it is a dead cert that we, in the same way by faith, are going the same way.
  • But Tool Two He poured out in huge abundance - He gave gifts to men. Spiritual gifts. Supernatural gifts. Natural abilities also, that we receive back by resurrection as we plunge into the Galations 2:20 reality of nolonger I that live, but Christ I, received back from the dead, hidden, interwoven, interleaved with Him in the heavenly places of Ephesians 1 and 2.  You'd better believe in the spiritual giftings and ministries too.
Here's a secret
Each corporate church era had its own type of gifted ministries. We have not fully seen the sort of thing God has in store for this third level of Church building. Charismatics have settled down quite nicely to their versions of what apostles and prophets look like. But Christ uses new tools, or new looking tools for whatever stage is necessary at the time.  Can't tell you anymore than that...just be open.
  • Tool Three is as powerful as Genesis 1 when the Father spoke "Let there be Light".We are to be co-speakers, co-declarers of this NOW word of the Kingdom of heaven being at hand. We are to "speak the truth in love". It is quite easy to speak truth among those whose hearts are softened. But it is quite disruptive, though we still speak in love, for those still entrenched in "mixture", in "God and."
God didn't raise up the Word of Faith movement for Cadillacs. He raised up this whole area of "speaking  things into being" so we might accustom ourselves to the Power unleashed as "we speak the truth in love", to build up the Body of Christ faster than we could ever have imagined possible. Why?
  • Tool Four. The missing Tool, never used for any length of time  EVER. Tool Four has been cleverly blocked by the devil at every juncture. Tool Four isn't a tool as such, it is a restoration of the truth that new supernaturally given ministries have the power to "equip His people for works of service" quicker than anyone could have ever imagined. I know people hate Morris Cerullo, but he proved that you could take a bunch of ordinary Christians, and over a period of 3-5 days, so blitz them with Truth from anointed ministries, coupled with the "experience" of God acting and working among His people in meetings, that many would leave totally transformed and change their geographical areas for God.
So tool four is Ephesians 4 :16, in the Youngs Literal Translation from whom the whole body, being fitly joined together and united, through the supply of every joint, according to the working in the measure of each single part, the increase of the body doth make for the building up of itself in love. 

NIV has a nasty literal phrase which is absent in the original 
joined and held together by every supporting ligament,
The original text (Youngs)comes from the Holy Spirit, the NIV translation  comes out of the mind of man, based upon their experiences of church history.  Terry Virgo might be called a "supporting ligament".This is total religious baloney .The original makes it clear that we are joined NOW, by the NOW supply of every joint.A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

"according to the working in the measure of each single part"    Wow, can you imagine the speed at which the Body, set free so that every single part is working to its faith capacity, can reproduce and grow?

Sunday, 13 November 2011

Andrea Garzon meets with Wm.Paul Young author of The Shack

    

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Andrea met with Paul Young, author of The Shack, today in Florida, for the Spanish website we're doing: www.soy-libre.org. Thank you to Sheila Vertoli for hosting her and taking this picture. I hope to have the site up with the first few videos, including the Young video(s), tomorrow morning.
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Wednesday, 19 October 2011

The Rightfulness Of the Soul - Andrea Garzon

The Rightfulness of the Soul

by Andrea Garzón on Monday, 17 October 2011 at 04:58
We see that there is so much apprehension concerning the soul among Christians generally, but these verses prove that our whole being was designed to function in harmony. When we realize that “the spirit of man” in many contexts refers to the soul, our whole perspective about it will change radically. To which use is a lamp designed? It is used to light the way. Therefore, if “the spirit of MAN” IS the Lord’s lamp, we can trust our ‘selves’ in totality as new creations. We could say that the soul is the means in which the desires of the Spirit are expressed (externalized).

KJV: “The SPIRIT OF MAN is the lamp of the LORD” -Proverbs 20:27

Young’s Literal: “The BREATH of man is a lamp of Jehovah” -Proverbs 20:27

Aramaic Bible in English: “The SOUL of the children of men is the lamp of the Lord” -Proverbs 20:27

KJV: “And the lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living SOUL” -Genesis 2:7

“For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the SPIRIT OF THE MAN which is in him? Even so, the thoughts of God no one knows except THE SPIRIT OF GOD” -1 Cor. 2:11. This distinction between the two in this instance is important. The reason why is that it shows that the soul of man is RIGHT! It didn’t say: “the Spirit of God is the lamp”, but “the spirit of MAN” is the lamp of the Lord!

When people talk about walking after the flesh vs. walking after the spirit, they make it sound like: “Do not walk after the soul, but after the spirit.” That is nonsense, because the soul is not ‘the flesh’. We could say: “Walk by the SPIRIT (human spirit in perfect union with God's Spirit) and you will not satisfy the lusts (pulls) of the FLESH (Satan's deception of separation which to us, most often, is manifested in this subtle urge to try be “good” and to control the desires of our souls or condemn ourselves for them).

"For the mind of the flesh (The mind of Satan) is death; but the mind of the Spirit (the mind of Christ—our new mind) is life and peace: because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God...and they that are IN THE FLESH cannot please God. But you are NOT IN THE FLESH, BUT IN THE SPIRIT, if the Spirit of God dwells in you." -Romans 8:6-9. We are not "in the flesh" anymore —The truth is that we don't have a flesh anymore (I mean, we have a body made of flesh, but that's another thing). The "flesh" (that foreskin that covered our hearts, also called 'the body of sin') was severed off at the cross. I believe the term 'flesh' in regards to the new creation is an “image” of Satan's deceit which objective is to bring us back to a separate consciousness, but that is all what it is; an image, a ghost. We DIED to that deception—died to sin ONCE and for all. We don't serve this lie (sin) anymore. We are not slaves of this lie (sin) anymore. The law of this lie (sin) does not operate in us anymore.

At Gethsemane, Jesus said: “Not my will but Yours". Wait a second; is Jesus here, who always functioned in perfect oneness with the Father, saying he has a will that opposes his Father’s? Let’s not forget Jesus came to revert the effects of the Fall: Incarnation’s aim was to eradicate our estrangement in the body of a substitute. The 'sin' that Hebrews 12 talks about is Satan's mindset of separation (Adam’s “inheritance”) against which Jesus had to fight to the point of shedding blood. We are encouraged not to faint, because just like Jesus, we are trained in the obedience of faith (establishment in union). This deception has no more power over us, but it still harasses us now and then.
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    • Ken Scott Kletzin Amen.
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    • Ole Henrik Skjelstad This is great and the truth! Since God is one and there is only one God and we are one with Him then we have to be one too. Seeing ourselves as separate parts that are warring against each other is a deceit and lie which makes life unnecessary confusing and cumbersome. Thanks!
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    • Dan Powers awesome as usual
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    • Andrea Garzón Thanks Ole Henrik! Amen!
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    • Andrea Garzón Thank you Dan! Wow! :)
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    • Dean Delker I love how you think with the Mind of Christ, Andrea. Tis always refreshing.
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    • Andrea Garzón Thanks Dean! :))
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    • Nancy Gilmore
      Flesh is good. God came in the flesh, and He still comes in the flesh of those He lives in, and 'as'. It's only 'sinful flesh' that would be the problem, and we are no long a part of sinful flesh. Paul's says...- the life I now live in the... FLESH is lived by the faith OF the Son of God who loved me, and gave Himself for me; Galatians 2:20b. I am living in the flesh as a whole person; meaning as a spirit person in union with the Spirit of the living God I am operating as a WHOLE Person in Christ, with Christ living as me. Christ living AS me, means there are no gaps between us. Christ is our inner-Christ-consciousness. We are awakened by the Spirit to an inner-Christ-conscious of Christ living 'as' us; thus I live in the flesh by His faith. I live it.See more

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    • Dean Delker I joyfully agree with you & John Crowder has a good "Jesus Trip" video about the unity of spirit, soul & body in 1 Thess 5:23 I want to go back & listen to again also. I am also curious though what you would say about Heb 4:12?
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    • Nancy Gilmore Hebrews 4:12 is alive in us as the Spirit is the One who reveals the soul-spirit differentiation in us, for us; spirit is too deep for us to know without a spirit revelation, and it is the Spirit who divides soul and spirit for us, thus revealing our union of spirit-Spirit as 'one spirit'. He that is joined to the Lord is one spirit. 1Corin 6:17
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    • Troy Crider
      Ole Henrik, did Peter teach a deceit and a lie, and essentially make life unnecessary, confusing and cumbersome, when he said beloved, I BEG YOU, as sojourners and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts/sinful desires which war against the so...ul? Elsewhere, we are told to "put to death the deeds of the body, by the Spirit." Though the old man has clearly been put off ("put off" is language used in other contexts for garments being taken off) once and for all through death and burial, we then must learn how to "put off" our former conduct concerning the old man. The only way this can take place is if the mind is renewed, the will is converted, emotions are healed, memories are redeemed, and the imaginations are sanctified. And all this is takes place from the Holy Spirit. We now bear the image of the heavenly man, but we are being transformed into His likeness through the renewal of the mind, and this has an inseparable correlation to our conduct.

      I actually agree with what you all are saying, but I believe these promises and realities are only able to be lived out in full potential when one reaches motherhood and fatherhood in the faith. I don't mean to be divisive, but if you tell a new believer these things you all are talking about, you will do great harm to him and it will be a disaster. He will never be able to experience true transformation as taught by the Apostle Paul. This is why Peter also "said do not be conformed to the PASSIONS of your FORMER ignorance." If you tell a new believer that everything he feels, does, thinks, and wants is Christ living in him, he will continue to embrace lies, not being able to discern the source of those beliefs, ideas, convictions (many new believers are FULL of false convictions). Many of these are still part of his old identity because wile he still might see himself as forgiven, he might not see himself crucified, buried, and resurrected anew by the mighty power of the working of the Holy Spirit. So it is actually NOT nonsense to say "do not walk after the soul," if it be that you are referring to the areas of one's mind that is not renewed, will is not converted, emotions are not healed, and memories are not redeemed etc. The flesh wages war against the soul, by hindering our consciousness, and awareness of the Spirit-union. This affects conduct.

      For the new believer, as you say Andrea, "this deception has no more power over us, but it still harasses us now and then." When we walk in this deception, these things can manifest through our conduct: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. Don't be deceived, if you sow to the flesh, you will reap destruction in your mind, will, emotions, imaginations, and ultimately create new memories filled with corrupt events and experiences. It might not cost you eternal life, but there will be consequences in this life, and in the age to come. You all have a great and wonderful revelation, and see the full potential and reality one can arrive at, BUT, some of you are creating a whole grid of perception and mental framework where you are trying to fit the other passages and teachings into this framework, and denying clear scriptures that don't fit it, ignoring them altogether, o This will be to your own hurt. We all must learn how to rightly divide the word of truth, and grow in our ability to know who needs what truth in any given season of their life.
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    • Nancy Gilmore
      Christ will not reveal an "inner-Christ-consciousness" in and to a person He has not first made 'safe' by the cross; 2Corn.4:7-12. We are made SAFE sons as well as SAVED sons. "I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless, I live, but it is NOT... I but Christ, and the life I now live in the flesh is lived by the faith OF the Son of God who love me and gave Himself for me". 1John 5:18 is speaking of "safe sons"."he that is born of God sinneth not for he keeps himself.See more

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    • Troy Crider
      Would you agree that not all of a new believers attitudes, mentalities, perceptions, views of the world/worldview, emotions, and memories are instantaneously made safe at the new birth? I'd say that they are the ones who need constant love,... teaching, and labors so that they can truly be grounded in teachings pertaining to the new covenant reality inaugurated by the death of the old race and rise of the new (Christ's death and resurrection). In fact, the babes/infants in the faith are susceptible to false teachings which has a direct influence on their life. In Ephesians 4 Paul describes "children" who are tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting. They still belong to God and are the righteous, but they are still so very young in Christ. Actually, the word used for "children" is from the greek word "nepios" and means:

      1. an infant, little child
      2. a minor, not of age
      3. is a metaphor for childish, untaught, unskilled.

      It's the same word translated as "babes" in Hebrews 5:13 and 1 Corinthians 3:1.

      Where are the mothers and fathers that can make them safe through nursing them and help facilitate their growth through discipleship and propel them forward to become safe sons and daughters? They are safe in the community in which Christ dwells, and they are safe in that the Father will discipline them with love, but they are still infants. They are not safe at first.

      There are 4 stages of growth: babes/infants, little children, young men, and fathers.
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    • Ole Henrik Skjelstad Bless you Troy! If you carefully read Andrea's article you will find that she has perfectly answered that question you throw at me. Many of her other articles also perfectly answer that question. Andrea knows.
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    • Nancy Gilmore
      I believe in only one teacher, and He is the Holy Spirit. He is the One who has the suffering work to 'redeem' us, and stabilize us, and 'make' us safe sons to bring glory to Christ as us. I see only Christ; for Jesus said, when our eye is ...single our whole body is full of light, and when our eye is evil (seeing something that isn't Christ) our whole body is full of darkness; the opposite of single is double not evil, but Jesus said evil. So I purposely see ONLY Christ and what He is doing. I do not have a divided outlook; and I speak the truth of Christ being the life to any and all, and tell that there is no such thing as an independent person. The final form of sin we are all forced to see is ourselves as an independent operator; the Spirit forces us to see 'an-independent' as the producer of ALL sin. So seeing oneself as an independent IS the sin-spirit as yourself. For there is no such thing as an independent-self, or a "referee" between God and the Devil. That is the deception of the fall, and the virus of the human race; and until we are redeemed and Christ IS LIVING AS us, we are sinners; good sinners, or bad sinners still eating from the tree of good and evil; which is all EVIL. When I am a co-saviour, a co-intercessor with Christ, I am not looking at a so-called "independent" operating as Christ; I'm knowing a so-called independent is NOT in union with Christ, and I do not expect him to live as though he is; he would be deceiving himself. Deception is dangerous since it make you think you are something you are not. I'm not trying to fix people. I simply say, Jesus is your life and He wishes to live AS you.See more

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    • Mikkel Thomsen Amen Nancy. Seeing one self as independed is sin spirit as yourself. There is only One and that is right seeing and in His time(when we have come full circle) we will know. We don't borther, we rest and see Him doing the work in, trough and as us.
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    • Jeff Pate
      Love this... "The "flesh" (that foreskin that covered our hearts, also called 'the body of sin') was severed off at the cross. I believe the term 'flesh' in regards to the new creation is an “image” of Satan's deceit which objective is to b...ring us back to a separate consciousness, but that is all what it is; an image, a ghost. We DIED to that deception—died to sin ONCE and for all. We don't serve this lie (sin) anymore. We are not slaves of this lie (sin) anymore. The law of this lie (sin) does not operate in us anymore."See more

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