Showing posts with label Rheinhard Bonke. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Rheinhard Bonke. Show all posts

Saturday, 3 February 2018

The ailing Rheinhard



This is an angry post. Not against dear Rheinhard, just the current awful state of play in the socalled health industry. (From Facebook 3/2/2018)

Rheinhard Bonke, (evangelist whose organisation has seen 75 million converted in 40 years) in the right picture is more how he looked when he laid hands on all of us in Birmingham just before I began this blog in 2008. The picture on the left in Lagos this year is nearly unrecognisable.
I want to flag something up saints.
Rheinhard is of the generation that will believe for his own health, then at the very last resort go to doctors for treatment.
Sadly we are in a very peculiar time. With all our advancements we are so so seriously hindered by the disnformation that is in the health industry.
Chemo and radiation do NOT WORK. The health industry relies on them for earning big bucks, but as many of us can testify of our own friends and personal family....Chemo and radiation KILLED the people we loved. Or at the very least shared the task with cancer itself.
So we live at this very odd time where we who have tasted of heavenly power will to some extent be successful in seeing miracles....but when nothing has moved we go back to doctors and an industry that is plagued by a bottomline profit issue, even at the expense of health.
Even the pharmaceutical giants are not going to be able to hold off the onslaught of truth seekers everywhere and those who already are finding real cheap alternatives to these issues. But currently it is all too easy for us to lose some of our best people to an industry that quite frankly is not worthy of going anywhere near these men of God, and wrecking their lives with absolute ignorant therapies, that at best chase off symptoms for a few months and years, but are as much instrumental in the damage as cancerous tumours are.
I guarantee you, if Rheinhard had had his health problems in ten or twenty years time, he would still be preaching. People are destroying this man, not deliberately , but because the health industry is plagued by such rubbish disinformation.


Saturday, 8 October 2016

We're talkin' THIRDLEVEL POWERFUL

I did various blogs on this. The Red Arrows. Mother Basilea Schlink and Rees Howells and Norman Grubb.
It's true in Darkness as well. In fact Freemasonry and esoteric orders often fake their own deaths, which is why Elvis, and various others may just be around. Who knows?
What am I talking about?
My son Ben was talking about it to me today. The fact that yes there are particular skills that reach world recognition....like top world football players. Formula 1 champions.
But what about Rally Champions? British Touring Cars?
Ben has brushed past some of the top skilled autochampions on earth at Goodwood. One was coming out of the toilets.
But some of the auto events are STILL off piste. They ARE on dedicated Sky auto channels....but outside this nobody, nobody at all has heard of them....but because Ben HAS....and before he acted in Dolly Parton's 9 to 5 as LEAD....he was socially shy...so he personally was far too STARSTRUCK to even ask for a signature.
As I wrote on my blog, who is going to ever recognise a RED ARROWS stunt pilot in Tescos or Wallmart as they push their trolleys?
What about in the Christian world?
Here's a weird weird thing. You can read more about it in the Visions of Annie Miller. (Ed Miller's daughter)
So here's the shocker!!!
Think of the most famous Christians currently hotly pursued on the Conference circuit?
Because I was effectively chucked out from these realms...unless I watch God TV, I actually don't know who they are so I tend to speak about the old names....Benny Hinn...Kenneth Copeland , Peter Wagner, Ayo Oritsejafor
Heidi Baker is interesting, because she is somwhere in transit between what I am talking about.
It's like soldiers and commanders...then the SAS
Here's the thing......the really big big ministries are only what St John calls YOUNG MAN Level.
because to become famous, you have to be appreciated....but to be appreciated you have to be understood....and because nobody "gets" the thirdlevel....it's off their wavelength.....
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE THIRDLEVELLER THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT IS ANYWHERE NEAR KNOWN ON THE CHRISTIAN CIRCUIT.
Possibly Heidi is on the way
Possibly Colin Urquart is on the way
THIRDLEVEL means powerful with God.
Kind of a hidden ministry that is hugely responsible for what really is going on.
Sadhu Sundhar Singh reported that he met a man called to interceed for the earth who was actually born in Africa in the late 1600s, and he was hidden away in the Tibetan mountains. When Singh met him he was 300. Some even say he went off to join him.
Rees Howells got brief mention in the newspapers when he announced the victory over Hitler about 2 years too soon. That's when Rees got the victory in the Spirit. Rees had a Welsh Bible College. He died young after the effort of the World War II intercession. But his college spawned 2 giants in the same bedroom. Bryn Jones, who was one of the main leaders behind the awesome Dales Bible Weeks and other Bible Weeks. Please....he did a lot more...but I was reflecting today what key Melchizedek events these were for our agegroup in the 70s.
Rees spawned Rheinhard Bonnke who with Cfan has led millions in Africa to Jesus Christ.
Anybody heard of Rees Howells? Only intercessors.
John Wimber was big in the 80s. But he speaks of an old farmer he used to go to. Bet you anything you like he was a thirdleveller.
When I arrived with other youth to spend time listening to Basilea Schlink...hopefully for a full month staying in their Darmstadt Sisterhood (and little brotherhood!!!!! The Nun's dresses didn't suit me!!! LOL) my disappointment and anger!!! was that Basilea had just upped and left to pray and interceed. I thought....hey hold on!!! This is my summer holiday. I gave up usual British stuff to hear Basilea and she had just upped and disappeared.
two or three weeks later (can't remember much...1974, I was 16)
she came back.
One of the greatest dangers at that time alluded to in Jung Chang's biography of Mao, was that having starved half his people, and saved and saved money he was now about amassing his troops on the borders ready to swoop on Europe. Basilea had somehow heard of this and went away to pray against it.
Ofcourse nobody else has ever heard of it. I am glad it is in Jung Chang's book. But literally as a one woman army, just like Rees Howells with the three wartime dictators, she went right before the Throne and paralysed Mao's operation. Next thing we know, Kissinger,Nixon and Mao are all having Freemason tea together....only that they were all in the same thing , ofcourse, wasn't known to us then.
Who has heard of Schlink? Only some Christians.
Now Jesus was amazing because He was able to move at the superficial multitude level
He was able to further instruct about 120
but ofcourse He was really working with 12 and particularly 3.
But you know what?
All the really thirdlevel stuff He was doing
The stuff behind the scenes on the Cross....
wouldn't even be known to us in scriptures but for the updates St Paul received from His heavenly encounters with Jesus Christ.
We wouldn't know HOW Jesus stripped powers and principalities
We wouldn't know how Jesus included us in His own death
We wouldn't know how intercession works....in the |Philippians sense of a downward trail from glory to the Cross....and that this is indeed standard intercessory stuff, being made into the dung of the earth on behalf of others.....
a sequence St Paul then mastered for himself as he trailed a blaze across Asia Minor.....which the Illuminati are still trying to obliterate in this day 2000 years later.
THIRDLEVEL isn't just SAS powerful
THIRDLEVEL isn't just RED ARROWS powerful
THIRDLEVEL IS SO POWERFUL IT BENDS NATIONS AND HISTORY
The reason Jesus brothers couldn't begin to believe in Jesus is that His front cover was so so so normal. Isaiah says nothing about His outer form or activities stood out at all.
Jesus said Greater things than these shall you do.
And regularly you get bozos on Facebook saying since Jesus raised people from the dead, then the only thing greater is to get more resurrections.
NO NO NO NO you absolutle ignoramuses.
Jesus sad to us His followers
Whatsoever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven
Whatsoever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven
Who did the binding and loosing in the heavenlies???
Jesus. The Lamb slain.
Now He is going into action.
He the Head.
We the Body.
No No No...we're not going to be giving life to a few human bodies.
The Body Of Christ is going to BID all that will to COME and DRINK
Revelation 22
The Body of Christ is going to terminate the work of the devil in every nation on earth
The Body of Christ is going to be involved in a Psalm 24 Operation to Raise up and Lift up all the Ancient spiritual Doors and Boundaries and welcome the King of Gl;ory Back
A few dead bodies raised....NOTHING
We are going to CO REIGN OVER ALL DEATH EVERYWHERE FOR ALL TIME
When Jesus says GREATER WORKS HE MEANS WHAT HE SAYS ON THE TINLID!!!!!!
Good job Jesus totally ignores the Facebook Christian BOZO school of human doctrines!!!!!
SHOUT AMEN SOMEBODY....even if it isn't very English behaviour !!!!

Thursday, 4 December 2008

A Third Level Approach To Ministry II : Twinklers



Prodded a little by Lydia Joy losing her grandfather I wanted to continue this summary of thoughts on how the 3rd level changes everything we ever thought we knew about ministry.Maurice Smith calls mature Christians twinklers (see my book list).While others may age less than gracefully, with a growing cynicism, twinklers twinkle more!! Their eyes just give the game away. And you just know. You know they know Him in whom they have believed.

Without a powerful experience of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, a Christian seems to take several decades to become a true twinkler. Whether Protestant or Catholic, they are people of prayer and the Word. The slight snag is by the time they are twinklers, it is nearly time to go home...and they are severely restricted by limitations of age, mobility and possibly other issues.

So Youth With a Mission, Morris Cerullo, and Rheinhardt Bonnke hit on another system. Give the people of God an experience...a powerful experience coupled with a lot of training on the life of faith...and send them out to turn the world upside down!! In a way this is what happened on April 6th 1972 to all of us in a little corner of Bucks,England. And it seemed for a while we did turn our corner of things in Amersham a little bit upside down.But here is a snag. Youth With A Mission, Morris Cerullo and Rheinhardt Bonnke call this making twinklers. (Well they don't...but they call this sending workers out into the harvest). It is and it isn't. Let's return later.

For New Frontiers and a whole host of other networks of new churches, this is insufficient, so they believe in yoking developing ministries to local church situations over months and years. Possibly sending people to a more formal type of Bible College, be it run by their family of churches or some other institution that holds an evangelical position. Unless these new ministries are exposed to a radical Holy Spirit anointing either directly, as in Rob Rufus'case, or through other ministries...the tendency is always to settle back into "sound teaching of the Bible" but with little power and little miraculous fruit.Both approaches I would call the twin sides of the second level.
So to recap:Firstlevellers, by dint of continuing in the faith, continuing in prayer, continuing in the Word, continuing with the ups and downs of fellowship life, may well after decades and decades ...if they don't duck out... find themselves twinkling.
Secondlevellers will experience a baptism in the Holy Spirit, be introduced to the reality that Christianity is in fact supernatural in manifestation, be then driven back into a hunger for the Word, and a fresh hunger to experience fellowship together with other Christians, but this time at this new supernatural level . The growth arc will probably be shorter than in the first case. But if our experiences in the UK are anything to go by, we are still talking somewhere between 1 and 3 decades even moving pretty quickly before anyone even approaches twinkler status. And again there is absolutely no certainty that people will press right through. For this reason Paul writes "Do not harden your hearts as the Israelites did in the days of rebellion in the wilderness."
Firstlevellers know how to get others into a born again experience.
Secondlevellers get people born again and baptized in the Spirit. As I have mentioned before, in the year of 1972, at the age of around 14(Christine is one year younger), both she and I in our respective areas of the UK were doing all this. Now this for many fellowships would mean we had arrived. Well, here we are at age 50, and we still haven't. Because you see there is a 3rd level of growth.Without a vision, the people perish. Without even a sketchy understanding that there are 3 distinct growth stages, people all over the world in the Body of Christ are floundering around. You've got people like Amy, (see Amy's blog) who have probably been compliant for years in their church system...thinking that that would amount to something, confusing 2nd level churches with the raw real deal of the anointed Living Body of Christ. Ofcourse in parts it is....but the 2nd level stuff contains other ingredients as dangerous and poisonous as the worst plant foods that you could ingest.So Youth With A Mission, Rheinhardt Bonnke, David Hathaway, Morris CerulloAlso New Frontiers, and all the other 70s and 80s like networks, be it under Terry Virgo, Alan Vincent, Gerald Coates,Barney Coombs and so on and so on....are all (probably unwittingly and out of anxiety to get the job done) doing the Body of Christ a huge disservice....Why?Because they are calling the 2nd level a mature ministry and as the world instinctively knows...it isn't.
Because they are not raising the people's sights and expectations to believe that Jesus is faithful to complete the work in us to make us fit and able fathers who reproduce after our kind.We either believe in the power of His Word to raise us up as fit ministers ....or we don't. And if we don't, we help God along a little with more programmes, and training procedures and conferences.....
when what people need to understand is
How Genesis 3:5 works
How Jesus came to destroy all the works of the Evil One
How He came to lay the axe to the root.

What root? The religious system? The 2-bit secondlevel structures the grace-bloggers are railing against? Terry Virgo? Nope Nope Nope The axe is laid against us? Every flipping last second of the day we are not living from the reality of what the Cross has won for us. We don't need to go around looking for others to single out.Every little second we catch ourselves living the Genesis 3:5 "Just independent me"lie...we needDan Bowen, Amy, Sheila, Lydia Joy,Matt Daelon,Jamie,Leonard...to prophesy back to us..."Hey you...you are now Christ you...you have no separate existence...to believe that is to fall back into sin again, and to give life again to something that since the Cross can never have life again...the old Adamic hubris life of the devil himself lived through mankind.The people I have listed as Missions and New churches above...the YWAMs etc they need to be preaching according to the models in scripture. And I have never, I repeat never, heard anyone of them preach according to these lines.

Model 1. Jesus For 30 whole years He did nothing apart from grow in the understanding of how life works. He grew in knowledge and wisdom. Carpentry. Just learning to believe who He was. By faith. No flash stuff.Then was baptised in water and the Holy Spirit. Had the quickest 2nd level in history in the testing in the wilderness. That's because his personal foundation in God as a normal person for 30 years meant He could skip most of what we've had to go through in the 2nd level. Then straight afterwards He began to operate in the 3rd level. Two fold: Declaring War on the Devil in the territory allotted Him by the Father:Israel. Secondly: to raise up father ministries like Himself in just 3 years. All this while also preaching and teaching the Kingdom to 1. outsiders 2.believers and closer disciples and 3. the 12 apostles to be.

Model 2: The 12 apostles They were Jews. They understood the 1st level basics. That God is sovereign. That we give our life over to Him, expressed first in water baptism. That He alone can forgive our sins and make us new. They entered into an early prototype 2nd level, where although not knowing a born again experience yet, nor a complete baptism in the Spirit....from pretty early on they were sent out to chase the devil off God's Earth with power to heal,deliver and forgive sins.This shows us that at one level Morris Cerullo, Terry Virgo,YWAM and all are correct. As long as there is at least one 3rd level ministry...not everyone needs to be a 3rdleveller before embarking on mission trips.(There was only one Graham Pulkingham , but many in the Fisherfolk team for example)It shows us also, as we found on 6th April 1972, and again in Lakeland Florida this yearThe Power of the Baptism in the Spirit is put in context: as a tool for preaching the GospelThis is absolutely Terry Virgo and Morris Cerullo territory. And is accurate.Secondly, if you want people to grow fast...you expose them from early on in doing the work of the Kingdom with power. Even if that carries a high risk tag...as we saw with Todd Bentley. I am so glad that Jesus - knowing all about how sinful I was - still allowed me to lay hands on folks at 14 and get them filled with the Holy Spirit.Jesus came at the disciples with love, but also slicing stuff off them with His prophetic use of the Word...such that in only 3 super intense years they were ready to launch the Kindom for real at Pentecost. But as I've taken time to point out again and again in these posts, in Acts 2, they'd already gone through their 2nd level...which almost left them totally devastated...so when the Spirit came in power, they were 3rd Levellers....fit and able to father the first ever church at Jerusalem.All ministries that I have grown up with are totally wrong in equating our entrance Baptism in the Spirit with Acts 2.Morris Cerullo is wrong if he implies that at the end of one of his Schools of Ministry, as wonderful and life transforming as they are.....if he equates that with what the disciples were put through over a 3 year period. Rheinhardt Bonnke is wrong. You can't quite level the same at New Frontiers....in fact if anything they are too slow by Jesus standards....or they again call maturity what is not maturity....not like Acts 2 at any rate.

Model 3. Paul As one untimely born. Filled with the Spirit from the word go. But NOT given Holy Spirit wings to then go off straight away and turn the world upside down. (Morris Cerullo take note)Praise God that everyone hated him, or was cautious about him. He might be converted, but he'd been responsible for many deaths...one was specifically named: Stephen, the martyr. So there was no way he was going straight out on the road. Norman says Paul spent 3 years in Arabia. Gene Edwards says he spent several years in the Antioch church. Two things happened. He received from heaven during this period his gospel. Everyone has to have their own gospel.Divine revelation from Jesus Himself. It's not so we all start our individual cults. There is only one Jesus. And only one gospel. But Jesus has to make it our gospel. He has to write it in us. So we become living letters read by men.After 36 years I have a gospel. As we start preaching the stuff that is actually in the New Testament , and not the 2 level stuff we've been preaching for years...there is no reason why we cannot (in Jesus) raise up local bodies that grow believers in similar time periods to Jesus. In fact we have something that Jesus never had: we have the Holy Ghost Growing Machine - The Body of Christ . So this was the second thing that happened to Paul : that which was now in him was being worked out and recognised by this early example of a Gentile Church. This Jesus will make Himself known to others in our surroundings through us. Our gifting will be perceived.

As we look out at many weary faces who have been faithfully attending charismatic churches now for 30 or 40 years....it is sad to now say, there is in fact no reason why it had to take this long. The good side of our history is that the Terry Virgos, the Gerald Coates rushed in to fill the vacancies to provide good, solid, faithful and sacrificial leadership. Listen, Terry actually came to minister to us in Amersham instead of being present at the birth of one of his children. People only get born once!!! How sacrificial was that!

On the bad side, virtually the entire leadership in our country never knew that a 3rd level existed, let alone how to minister it. So ofcourse as they hit us with verses from John 15-17 about bearing fruit, and unity, and as we all sink in condemnation, because largely these things are not so in our networks...........little did we know that none of these things are really possible til we hit the motherlode of the 3rd level. Think how disastrous the disciples were in their 1st three training years. Forget unity. Forget pure fruit. They were arguing who was the greatest. Who's DA BISHOP!

In this post I have not even covered the question of Bible Schools. The writing of Jesus gospel inside us so we become Living letters is such a profound work....that without a proper release of the Spirit can take a whole 7 decades as I began saying. There is no possible way apart from a wave of Holy Spirit Revival Power,Revelation, and supernatural deliverance , (which by the way, on many occasions has swept through Ed Miller's Bible schools)....ordinarily there is no way on God's earth that a Bible school be kitted out with what it takes to move a man or woman out of the deep deep delusions of selfhood into the 3rd level in the 2 or 3 years usually allotted for the task.
I believe, as a fulfilment of what Jean Darnall, and Harry Greenwood, and other renowned prophets prophesied into Emsworth, I believe I was a part of a prototype wave of ministry training as God will refine and hone in the future. I believe the Bible House model of training which came through Ed Miller and then Jorge Pradas, are much closer to the biblical model. Where everyone leaves everything to come together to:
seek God together
learn what it is to live and work as the Body of Christ together
to be dealt with at a very deep level

and to teach also the things it was not good at:
teaching us to minister in Power together as teams
teaching us Norman Grubb's insights as to the true nature of the human condition in Genesis
teaching us what it means to walk as Christ in our individual forms
and at this level of insight -how to live together in love and the Presence of God

So what is the difference between that and a monastery or nunnery?
It's more dynamic,prophetic. People come together until a specific work has been established amongst them. Like Paul and Barnabus they are recognised in ministry, called out by God, separated for specific tasks. It's all the things New Frontiers wanted to be, but never had the tools for. It's organic. Our Bible House began around a house church in new Brighton Rd Emsworth, but moved into 20 acres of property as the church vision grew. It's less programme based...more based around the expanding Word and gifting of some rather dead individuals.
That is , individuals who have so caught this thing about being dead in Christ, they themselves are the programme!!! Like Mother Basilea Schlink, Graham Pulkingham, Richard Wurmbrandt,Watchman Nee,Witness Lee....every time they open their mouth they cause irreparable damage to people's insides!!!
In short they have become Twinklers of the First order!