Ministry Training - A More Biblical look

 
So he's haring around in the Pentecostal - scalping and magic showman fashion , and he has a heart attack in 1961, and a bit like David and his anger over the new cart, Morris Cerullo asks God resentfully what that is about ?

' God says , "Son,build Me an army ,"

Morris sits on that one for a while then launches a 6 month School of ministry in the El Cortez hotel in San Diego .

He learns that a better use of time and money is to hire huge sport stadiums and venues , do evening crusades to masses and do Schools of Ministry during the day time when he would bring in twenty to thirty cutting edge international ministries .

The Holy Spirit impartation power in the New Covenant is such that you can forcefully plant a seed or even the whole thing in a short time .

Many of the biggest ( secondlevel ) churches were built through people grabbing hold of Spirit ppwer 

and principles at these Schools of Ministry .

Early groundwork was achieved at Rees Howells Bible College . This was both living alongside a person with international calling to intercession, as well as impartational teaching.

How do I know ? I don't know anybody else but just one bedroom had Rheinhard Bonnke in and Bryn Jones . That's not bad for just one Bible College bedroom!!!

There's not one Bible College or seminary or church or YWAM university understands training for ministry . They all get some of it but they aren't reading their Bibles properly .

Jesus brokering the New Covenant .

Yes He came perfect but having laid His glory aside .

- He was God learning Mandom for 30 years as a man .

Being aquainted with us at all points but without sin .

- He learned life Proverbs 3.6 style without succumbing once to any Genesis 3 initiation .

- At 30 baptism in water .....to fulfil all righteousness ....He was perfect so it wasn't for  cleansing......this baptism and anointing.....well think of it as a whole body dedication or Romans 12.1 portal into a brand new thing on the earth .....the Priesthood of the Order of Melchizedek.

So already the Bible is describing two things  not a training on earth makes absolute enough .

If you read Norman Grubbs book on Rees Howells you will get some faith training patterns 

WE HAVE TO LEARN TO COME OFF THE GENESIS THREE PLATFORM ...not only in our spirit which Jesus already did for us, but in our soul . We have to go through the Cross . In different ways we lose everything to gain things back in a resurrection here and now.  We have the Matrix pipes pulled out , so as new autonomous Christ me Galatians 2.20 persons God can ADD things back to us ....and we control the things from the Holy Spirit out , rather than Matrix feed pipes using us from the rear as their avatar .

It's kind of handy to have both the Matrix film memes and Avatar film memes to help us understand how spiritual AND MANY NATURAL things operate .

We learn ZÖE LIFE FAITH IN THE MUDDY FIELD TO GET THE TREASURE 

OR THE PARABLE OF THE SERVANTS IN THE FIELD .....PART ONE ....THE FIELD .

Jesus , the God who created the universe took 30 years . Jus' sayin'. Don't beat yourself up .

Part Two of that parable would be the Master's House .....UNTIL HE IS SATISFIED .

Jesus did things Himself in that order .....but really they changed with His teaching.

His teaching ....a bit like Moses with Joshua and Elijah teaching Elisha , is a COMBO .

Jesus teaches life and heavenly protocols im tandem ....and ofcourse one is a material shadow of the other in any case .

Book of Ezra and Book of Nehemiah .

After Acts 2 we get further acceleration .

Yup .

After baptism in the Spirit we learn to go into our inner room .....but unlike non born again meditation , Jesus lives there ....we shut our soul doors to our customary soul union with the devils tree of good andevil ......and teach our soul some more Christ union life , fellowshipping with the Father of our souls.

But the other acceleration area is both the holy place and 1 Corinthians12 church ....the pillar and ground of truth .....the only place on earth we can learn life off the Genesis 3 platform and also living from our new  Psalm 123 single eye .

That's not all . When Jesus ascended He did something else Morris Cerullo was doing but our solo pyramid synagogue builders refuse to do all over the earth .....Jesus gave gifts to men .

Paul describes 14 different  ministry gifts in 3 lists :

Ephesians 4.11...

Ecclesia founding ones 

Romans 12.6-8 and 1 Corinthians 12:27 -8

I was in Bible House with 20 to 30 others for 6 years . Talk about unspeakable things coming to the surface !!!! But it gave some initial insight to how fast true thirdlevel church can be and that certainly is what Ephesians 4 seems to say .

We have seen Morris Cerullo heading off on this direction with only a few days ministry , YWAM with 12 weeks , and Bible House with one or more years. Self righteous middle class and upper class people take longer because they THINK they know a lot already . WRONG. They never built on the  actual rock of Galatians 2.20 and Colossians 3 3 or  perhaps Proverbs 3.6. 

So that's why Jesus says ' unless you become  like a child you shall not see the Kingdom .'

SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD.......JESUS AS KING 

AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS ..HIS COVERING RIGHTEOUSNESS AND THE ACTUAL SPIRIT MAN SWITCH WHERE THE OLD PERSON IS GONE AND THE NEW HAS COME .....CHRIST .

AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS WILL COME BACK  ADDED UPON THIS NEW UNION FOUNDATION....EACH THING AT THE RIGHT TIME.

Its Not American It's Kingdom

 

Why Reformation Talk is simply underestimating the huge thing God is actually doing

I am not saying John Noe and Lance Wallnau, and three decades before them Gerald Coates and Fulness Magazine are wrong in saying that what we need is NOT revival but a REFORMATION.
John Noe writes a book on it describing just how big the Lutheran and Protestant Reformation is.
Thirdlevel Christianity IS that REFORMATION.
But it;s bigger still.
It is the promised restoration of all things.
It is the Psalm 24 MASTER KEY in the lock
IT IS the greater glory of the latter House but without any of the former infestation of religion.
ACTS 2 was great, but it was still in a context of religion.
It broke free, and St Paul and St Peter (eventually) were no small part in that.....but in the grand grand outworking it was only the Feast of Pentecost.

God is rolling out a Tabernacles that is so big, John Noe thinks I am nuts.
Pentecost was in Jerusalem as was the Passover Jesus participated in, involving His own Body at Golgotha.

Well if you sow a Divine Seed in a Passover and Pentecost context what are you going to harvest?

YUP. The whole earth !!!!
Not understanding Union John Noe and Lance Wallnau are just tinkering with outer forms, all the seven big mountains of influence, currently totally overrun by the secular plans of Psalm 2, and Freemasonry.

God doesnt tinker at this level. He recreates ONE NEW MATURE MAN according to Ephesians....
or as Jesus put it
The Son of Man appearing like lightning across the earth.
And how can that be?
Simple.
Every individual accepting being born again
Every individual accepting the message of being baptised in the Holy Spirit and taking up the Romans 6 confession of faith
Every individual believing ON Galatians 2.20 until it becomes consciousness
No one has seen a church like it?
No one has seen it happen in all the earth and every nation.
But this is behind God's GLORY or THIRDLEVEL statement
"As truly as I LIVE all the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of God as the waters cover the sea."

How do we get there? Facing doubts full on. Gaining experiential faith and knowledge of God
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Kimera Betz Amen!
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Kimera Betz We are being transformed into the very image of Christ from the inside out. Where else could those ancient gates & paths be but in our minds, will & emotions, in other words, in our souls. When we believe on Jesus & He comes to live in us our spirits a...See more
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John Noe Please well define what you think "Third level Christianity" is. Thank you.
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Chris Welch John third level is when the second level becomes us. We walk Jesus Christ as us knowing there is no such thing as a John Noe with a little bit of Jesus rattling around somewhere. None of that dual false consciousness remains.....The whole phony Genesi...See more
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Chris Welch I don't know if Morris Cerullos generation will ever truly see this stuff, but the equivalent, if you have watched him and Kenneth Hagin is when they changed from racing around frenetically to doing seemingly very little. Morris started to speak of him...See more
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John Noe That's not a definition. You are simply rambling on in a muddied fashion So where does muddled writing come from? It comes from muddy thinking. My advice, if you care to receive it is: you need better clarify and present your definition of your so-called "Third level Christianity" if you want people to take you seriously.
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Chris Welch John one day you thought asking Jesus into your heart was stupid and muddied thinking.
One day you thought being baptised in the Spirit was ludicrous.
Then you experienced both.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch You want a Tree of Knowledge life when Jesus only speaks out of the Tree of Life.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch You want a Christianity of morals and dogma and Law and Judaism and the Old Covenant that you can easily transplant and by it prove to yourself that you are an apostle. But actually you just need Jesus.
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John Noe You're rambling again.
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Chris Welch John one day you thought asking Jesus into your heart was stupid and muddied thinking.
One day you thought being baptised in the Spirit was ludicrous.
Then you experienced both.
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John Noe Chris Welch -- How do you know any of this?
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch Because unborn again people do not get the meaning of salvation.
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John Noe Chris Welch -- What's that supposed to mean?
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Chris Welch we cannot "get"or "understand " or "perceive " what we havent experienced spiritually
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John Noe Chris Welch -- Oh? So what?
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Chris Welch everybody who isnt born again accuses born again people of having muddled thinking.
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John Noe Chris Welch -- That's another example of your "muddled thinking" -- IMO.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch everybody who hasnt experienced baptism in the Spirit says the same about Spirit filled people. Only this time they have to pull more straws out of the bag because the atmosphere of joy and emotion cant be denied so they put a sense evaluation to it....

like in Acts 2....oh they are drunk....
which was a bit daft at 9am in the morning.
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Chris Welch There is nothing muddled or undefined about spirit. The only thing the poor little leftfrontal cortex can't handle is you cant measure it with 5 senses or a ruler or some kind of meter..
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John Noe Chris Welch -- Since you have introduced that rabbit trail into this posting conversation, I still I've any idea what your so-called "Third level Christianity" is all about ???
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Chris Welch My socalled thirdlevel is the same as Paul or Jesus or St John.
Or David in Psalm 123.
It's being so locked into seeing what God is doing that in the end you deny, disallow, don't see any other form of duallistic living. Or if you see it you call it out for what it is.

One of the clearest references is when the man said to Jesus "Good Teacher"
and He turned on him to pin him down.
Who are you calling good, there is only one who is good?

The normal thing at that point is to accept a person's flattery, not examine it.
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John Noe ???
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Chris Welch what do you do when you read that passage? Or have you already torn it out?
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John Noe I didn't read it.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch well that's honest. How much else dont you read while deriving a living as a ministry?
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John Noe Chris Welch -- lots. Also, how do you think you know whether I derive a living as a ministry or not?
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Chris Welch at the very least you are seling a book of Christian knowledge
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Chris Welch I think you once said you have been an apostle for some 20-30 years
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John Noe So you extrapolate that to mean "deriving a living as a ministry?
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John Noe Chris Welch -- Never said any such thing.
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Chris Welch yes
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John Noe Chris Welch -- then that's another issue you are in error about.
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Chris Welch I clearly am confusing another conversation, but your book is your book.
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John Noe You, sir, are ignorant with your unknowing accusations.
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Chris Welch As one who was reading your book, I am sure you are not meaning that.
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John Noe Oh, yes, I do mean that.
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Chris Welch Well to be clear, you are expecting us to read a book about reformation but you dont really perceive anything about what the bible might mean about it.
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John Noe You've got to be kidding, right?
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Chris Welch No. Jesus turning on that man for calling Him Good Teacher is really key to what I have written there.
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John Noe Enough of your rambling and accusatory nonsense. Goodbye.
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Chris Welch Any resemblance to an encounter between Jesus and other people in the gospels is purely......
well accurate.

I'm Rubbish

I'd like to say I know what I know on good merits.
NOPE....like every good Bible character I know what I know because I was so frigging useless and still am.
I was desperate as an atheist and God just met me where I was at 13. Seen the Graduate? Dustin Hoffman one? I did, So I saw the whole thing coming in slow motion...but I was emotionally entangled. In the end God sent a prophet Nathan style to our door to get us all straight.
So having been like David Bilbrough...some sort of person affected enormously by the Jesus Move followed by the London House church move....I was fished out of the whole English scene into what was a safe recuperating kind of "City of Refuge " for me in Emsworth. But of all things it was Argentinian!!!!!
Which meant learning the stuff that Ed Silvoso and Claudio Friedzon was bringing to the UK in the 90s and 2000 ,about 20 years too early.
Which then catapulted me into gross failure in Romans 6 and 7 style. In the end, broken, i only knew to fast. And it was over 20 days. The BBC call you dead after 3 days !!!!
What God did was NOT because of some 20 day fasting method....He heard my desperation. I could have probably got to the same thing by simply reading Norman Grubb's Yes I am. But this is how God brought me into what Norman had learnt back some time in 1926 or so and the rest of the Church (though he was actually head of Worldwide Evangelisation Crusade) never listened.
See sometimes it's good to sit down and actually listen to people however weird it sounds, instead of being like Benny Hinn and racing round the universe trying to do it all yourself.(Morris Cerullo included). If you have run a global missions organisation, studied at Cambridge so can write, and you are still there after 50 years....I would think that is a good reason to try and learn off Norman and save yourself a half century.
So I didn't have Norman's book because I was in Emsworth and we believed God to do an Ed Miller suicide dive into all this stuff direct. God kindly did that, then i read the book.
But what it means is this.
Unlike IHOP I know Norman's stuff
Unlike Norman's own crowd, I know the vision of the Church...not as vision....but as lived for over a decade. I know what Acts is about. I have lived it.
While I know about London House churches vision of "being supernaturally natural" I KNOW how to get there.
Unlike Ed Miller, because of Norman Grubb I can articulate better what these socalled "lost" things or "deeper " things are.
Paul Trulin was well on the way before he died, and was able to share about Christ in us to Morris Cerullos Schools of Ministry. Because of Norman, Fred Pruitt, Page Prewitt, Nancy Gilmore, we can be so much more accurate on how daily living works. Particularly Deedee Winter, the Buntings,Sylvia Pearce.....have, as Paul Anderson Walsh pointed out...been some of the women "first to the tomb " in these issues that will literally change our world.
But because of Emsworth and some of Sam Fife's other streams (The Move) I can tell you what Norman's stuff looks like in every day church life. In Emsworth Spain and Argentina we had Bible Houses or Casa Biblicas. They wouldn't call it this but really they were centres of Galatians 2.20 consciousness living, which every church should be naturally. At this stage we have to form greenhouses to force growth, like Jesus did with the 12 disciples.
The two things lacking in seminaries is
they don't teach consciousness living
and they don't teach everyday life.
These two things are what the apostles refer to church as being in essence:
the pillar and ground of truth.
They are what they preach or you don't get recognised and sent out.
Acts 2 is really the story of 12 complete failures crashing into the thirdlevel then being the foundational reproductive core for the whole of the rest of the Church.
Zechariah 4 "raise the top stone with cries of grace ,"grace to it"
There's the grace of blood covering of sin
then there's the grace of crashing into Jesus living His life as me.
Gospel ministry at the moment is a single grace package which may or may not contain being filled with the Spirit.
The one the apostles preached and that we must NOW preach is a two grace package...day one grace of entry into the Family of God and being filled with the Spirit
the second grace of how Jesus exposes all our false inner seeing and so we walk nolonger as "independent selves", the original curse of Genesis 3 death.
and we can only impart what is true for us.

Discipleship methods in recent history

Kim Ilene was sharing about some rather controlling behaviour with Torben Sondergaard on the question of discipleship patterns. Sometimes it's good to look at the larger picture

Israel : Why the other notables are wrong and why God is as usual RIGHT.

Israel.
As I said the other day...if you want to do a Dance of the Shulammite between two armies get God's message on the Jews.
IT DOES INVOLVE A DIRECT DOWNLOAD because you are talking of something intensely holy which defies everything you now see with your eyes.
IT IS HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE. And actually the same could be said of God;s other house, Gentile believers...or US, the wild olive plant He has skilfully grafted in.
Until I had that direct Spirit download I was just like any other Christian brought up in the housechurch movement in the UK. We were totally Body centric. Church centric. And no bad thing in that, it's just not quite the whole picture. As Lance Lambert spent his whole life trying to convey to Britain on his visits.
READ Lance Lambert and me
Now Lance matured in his inner seeing and one of his last great books is virtually thirdlevel teaching without the full clarity of Norman Grubb on Genesis 3. (Jacob whom I love by Lance Lambert)
I have come to digital blows with Daniel Yordy on two issues.
One is spiritual violence.....Jesus in the Temple with whips....and Paul specifically naming names that all may learn even the named ones. This is extremely uncharismatic. There, they only name you behind your back like gossip!!!!!!
And the second thing is Israel. In learning some of the full horriffic detail of modern Israel, Daniel ditches the whole lot, like most of South African Christianity too. I get extreme reactions in my spirit when Daniel talks about Israel, because he has not had the "download". You can argue with these guys until you are blue in the face...but this stuff is revelation. You either have it or you don't. It's a bit like baptism in the Spirit.
In a handful of paragraphs this is the download...but this is only leftbrain...you need to get this in the Spirit like set concrete in your tummy.
We learn from Jacob and Esau that though Esau begged and begged Isaac could NOT reissue the lost birthright and blessing.
You have to grab that in your gut. When God commanded Abraham to kill Isaac....and then stopped him....He was getting Abraham to KNOW something, something tiny...but nevertheless humanly massive.....of the PAIN God felt at sacrificing His Son. Abraham's total commission apart from warring with a few kings....was to believe for THE SON through whom God would bless nations. When Abraham and Sarah were as good as dead.
Years later, was it 40??? Abraham was asked to take his mature son and slaughter him....then He stopped him. Who do you even know would obey God in either of those demands? Believe for an impossible son and then kill him.
THAT is why Abraham is our father in the Faith. That is why when God makes a promise to Abraham concerning first sandgrains and then stars....you can go to the BANK on both happening.
DANIEL YORDY IS JUST WRONG in this huge area, and also concerning the rise of Antichrist. The two issues are related.
because the Jews are still waiting for their Messiah, and this is the leverage the devil is pulling as they build the Third Temple.
What Daniel is 100% accurate about, and all of America, and Benny Hinn Art Katz and John Hagee is absolutely wrong about is that present Israel was brought into being by House of Rothschild banking and Zionism....which is Freemasonic SIONISM and is the devil's domain. Only 10% of world Jewry have the least bit of linage from Abraham. They are NOT SEMITES. Read Henry Makow the Jew. Shakespeare. Dickens. and James Joyce in Ulysses are NOT being racist. They are describing this other Jew, this Kabbalist Jew type who are bent on inheriting everything...rather say "snatching" everything out of God's hand, without having any relationship with Yahweh whatsoever....Kabbalists worship another Morning Star."Lucifer". Ask any Orthodox Jew. Any Semite Jew. They don't recognise current Israel. Read Ezekiel 28 for yourselves. Get it from God. Art Katz, David Hathaway, Morris Cerullo are in total denial of what Daniel and others share. John Pilger reports on the annhihilation of various Palestianians. Remember many Palestinians are born again Christians. The rest are Muslim or of Arabic descent. Many are Semites from the dispersals.
BUT GOD.
BUT GOD.
Daniel denies God is big enough to do His final denouement.
Art Katz doesn't understand the problem at all.
Both are 80% or more wrong.
We have a situation here which is very very very dire.It's one of these typical devil attempts at tying history in knots. He does it very very well. He has done it with your life and mine and also the Church.
But GOD
God declares over Israel through David in Psalm 48. However it looks Israel IS ETERNALLY the joy of the whole earth.
We Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
WHY? Because the Jew is the picture of the whole earth.
Jacob was the picture of everyman.
The priests of Baal gathered for Elijah and poured water all over his wood, even making moats of water round the whole pile.
This YEAR...and you couldn't make this up.....the secret conspiratorial forces who designed Isis in the first place, used Isis to seriously damage an old Assyrian Temple to Baal. Why?I thought the conspirators wanted that? Aha....but nobody would suspect them if Muslims extremists did what they find natural...destroy Baal Temples. Aha...but the |Hegelian trick is then to wheel out some mobile Baal Temple adoration "In defiance of these extremists to show them"...except this is in London and New York. Two of the three places that have these Baal Egyptian obelisks anyway.
I digress.
It didn't make a ha'p'orth of difference. The fire of God fell as Elijah promised.
It doesn't matter that Israel is as jumbled up as it is....it is literally boobytrapped into the "heart" of the devil's entire world conspiracy. Mossad is right in the thick of it.
But the Devil's people or Luciferians can do what they will.
God has said to Abraham what He is going to do and He absolutely will carry it out....for the natural and the supernatural lineage.
God is far far far bigger than any evangelical says
bigger than any charismatic like Benny Hinn or Art Katz says
and He is bigger than Daniel Yordy says.
HE IS GOD AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

Ruling As Kings and Priests

The Tongue and the Word III - Morris Cerullo

Editor's comment
if you are from the clever Western nations
if you are put off by tele evangelists and Morris in particular
if you think because you have heard the sound of these sentences, both in your head from reading and by listening to these messages....

trust me.  There is something going on in these words if you have had your spiritual ears dug out that is very very deep and is a doorway to accessing the power of God in the same way that Jesus did. 

If you are power hungry.If you are still not bedded down on the Rock of Jesus alone and His agenda and His Kingdom and His heart.....I can almost guarantee you are missing what is going on here.  Take time over it....let it change you.  The tape messages which are related material come from a 4 cassette series that I heard 15-20 years ago....and you think you have heard them, but when I recently bought a car that only plays cassette tapes, I fished them out and was grabbed in the Spirit by what is going on here. So listen to them now in the context of Galatians 2:20.  This about the faith of Jesus Christ that lives in you. HIS FAITH.   And you WILL have an experience of God in this context as you listen to the talks.
I expect fruit from all our lives...and I am really no different from you as we eat this stuff!!!!


STRATEGIES OF JESUS: HOW TO DEFEAT SATAN

Morris Cerullo

INTRODUCTION

the Bible states that God's people are destroyed because of a lack

of knowledge. (See Hosea 4:6.) One of the main areas in which believers are being defeated, due to a lack of knowledge, is in spirit warfare. `That is why I have prepared this special series of studies you. I want you to be prepared to wage effective spiritual battle the days ahead.

There is a great war that is being waged in the world today, it is not a conflict between nations, tribes, or government leaders, it is not a rebellion or coup. It is an important, invisible battle that is taking place in the spirit world. You are a part of this battle, and you will either become a victim or a victor.

The Early Church viewed their spiritual experience in terms warfare. Military terminology is used throughout the New Testament . Protection was seen in the armor of God. The Word of God is compared to a sword. Satan's attacks were called fiery darts. Faith was called the good fight. Believers were told to war a good warfare. The Early Church knew that they were engaged in an intense spiritual struggle.

The same spiritual battle continues today, but instead of fighting the enemy, believers are often building great church buildings producing musical dramas, holding fellowship meetings,and fighting one another, while this great, spiritual battle wages around them. Satan will even intensify his attacks against a church that has withdrawn from the frontlines of battle.

As the end of time approaches, it is even more important for

believers to understand spiritual warfare than in the early days of church history. The Apostle Paul warned: THIS know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come (II Timothy 3:1).

Luke 14:31 says: Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he is able with thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? No king ever entered into a battle without a careful examination of his resources and development of battle strategies.

This year(2000), through the Strategies of Jesus and Strategies of Satan series, we are making a careful evaluation of the strategies, weapons, and power that are available to us to win the war against our enemy, Satan.

 In the military world, a strategy is the science of forming and carrying out military operations. It is the method or plan which leads to the goal of victory.

This month, you will learn how Jesus confronted Satan and defeated Him through the power of His Word. You will also learn:

1. how to face Satan, knowing you are invincible through the power of the Word;

2. how to face Satan, knowing that the living Word is in you; and

3. how to confront Satan, speak the Word, and drive him out! Faithfully,

God's servant,

Morris Cerullo

Chapter 1

JESUS CONFRONTED

SATAN AND DEFEATED HIM

THROUGH THE MIGHT

OF GOD'S WORD!

Last month, we learned how to position ourselves in the power of Jesus' Name, how to defeat Satan in the power of Jesus' Name, and how to go forth in the power and authority of Jesus' Name to take dominion over sin, sickness, and condemnation.

We now will continue with the strategies that Jesus used to defeat Satan and learn how He confronted and defeated him through the power of His Word. Jesus spoke, and Satan fled, the winds and sea obeyed, demons trembled and obeyed, blind eyes saw, lame legs walked, deaf ears heard, mute tongues were loosed and framed words of speech, and dead souls came back to life.

The powerful strategy of speaking the Word enabled Jesus—the mighty Warrior—to enter Satan's territory and destroy his strongholds with the sheer force of the Words that came out of His mouth.

Knowing that He had been commissioned, anointed,and sent forth by God to destroy the works of the devil, everywhere encountered the works of the enemy, He confronted Satan and took authority over him by speaking the Word.

Never did Jesus pray for a sick person or for a demon person—not one time! When the sick and dying were brought to Jesus, He did not pray to the Father. He did not ask Father whether it was His will to heal them. He did not beg the Father to please heal them

There was no need for Jesus to plead with or beg God to heal or deliver people from the power of Satan. He knew that it was God's will to heal, deliver, and set free all who were oppressed, afflicted, tormented, and possessed by Satan.

Whenever Jesus saw those who were bound in some way by Satan's power, He took aggressive action. He confronted Satan. He did not stand by, with His hands folded, or wait for God to do the work. He knew that God had anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and had given Him authority over Satan. Jesus had been given dunamis, the miracle-working power of God to deliver the people from Satan's hands.

When Jesus confronted the power of Satan, He did not speak His own Words. He spoke the Words' that the Father instructed Him to speak. He cried out:

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting.• whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

John 12:49-50

Jesus also said: ... the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Fathers which sent me (John 14:24) and ... My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me (John 7:16). When He spoke the Words that the Father hadgiven Him to speak, He did not doubt or wonder whether what Hespoke  would come to pass. He knew that He was speaking forththe  Words of Almighty God. He knew that God's Word was all ­powerful and would come to pass!

The Father said: ... Let there, be, light.- and there was light (Genesis 1:1-3 God spoke through Isaiah to the nation of Israel, saying:

For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bringforth and bud that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater so shall my word be that goeth.forth out of my mouth.- it

shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Isaiah 55:10-11

God wanted Israel to know that the Words that He spoke were not dead, empty, useless words. His Words were filled with life. They were powerful and would produce the results that He desired. They would fulfill His purposes on the earth.

Jesus knew that the Words that God had given Him to speak were full of life. He knew that when those Words came out of His mouth, they would produce the results and fulfill the purposes that God had intended for them.

JESUS DESTROYED SATAN'S
STRONGHOLDS BY SPEAKING THE WORD.

Jesus told His disciples: ... the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life (John 6:63). The very Words that were coming forth from Jesus' mouth were given to Him from God. They were alive. Within them was the power necessary to make them come to pass. Within His Word was eternal life, healing, deliverance, love, peace, happiness, and all that God had originally purposed for mankind to enjoy upon this earth.

Jesus taught on hillsides and in synagogues. The people were ... astonished at his doctrine.-for his word was with power (Luke 4:32). Even the demons recognized the power and authority of JesusWord, and they obeyed it.

On one occasion, Jesus was teaching in a synagogue in Capernaum. There was a man there who was possessed with an unclean spirit (a devil). The demon spirit cried out of the man: ...Let us alone what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art the come to destroy us?I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God (Luke 4;34)

Jesus was not afraid or intimidated.he did not flinch,but confronted His enemy. He spoke the Word. And Jesus rebuked him, saying , Hold  thy peace and come out of him. And when the devil

had thrown him in the midst, he came out of him, and hurt him not. And they were all amazed ... (Luke 4:35-36).

When Jesus spoke these Words, the spirit had to obey. I can almost see the mouths of the people drop open when they gasped in amazement:

And they were all amazed, and spake among themselves, saying, What a word is this! for with authority and power he commandeth the unclean spirits, and they come out. And the fame of it went out into every place of tbe country round about.

Luke 4:36-38

On many other occasions, they brought the sick and demon-possessed people to Jesus:

When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: That it might be fulled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

Matthew 8:16-17

The evil spirits were powerless before Jesus. With just one Word from His lips, He cast them out. Everywhere Jesus went, He confronted the power of the enemy, spoke the Word, and destroyed Satan's strongholds in the lives of the people.

n To the leper, Jesus spoke the Word: ... be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed (Matthew 8:3).

n To the man at the pool of Bethesda—who had been paralyzed for thirty-eight years— Jesus spoke the Word: ... Rise, take up thy bed, and walk. And inmediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked ... ( John 5:8-9).

n To the woman with a spirit of infirmity—who had been hunched over for eighteen years Jesus spoke the Word: ... Woman, thou art loosed from thy infirmity. And he laid his hands on her: and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God (Luke 13: 12-13).

n To the man—who was deaf and had a speech impediment—Jesus spoke the Word: And they bring unto him one that was deaf, and had an impediment in his speech ... And he took him aside from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue ... and saith unto him ... Be opened And straightway his ears were opened, and the string ofhis tongue was loosed, and he spake plain (Mark 8:32-35).

n To the blind beggar, Jesus spoke the Word: ... Receive thy sight... And immediately he received his sight, and followed him, glorifying God ... (Luke 18:42-43).

n To the widow's son—who had died and was being carried away to be buried—Jesus spoke the Word: ... Young man, I say unto thee, Arise. And he that was dead sat up, and began to speak. And he delivered him to his mother. And there came a fear on all... (Luke 7:14-16).

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it (Isaiah 55:11).

JESUS' WORDS WERE LETHAL WEAPONS.

Like a mighty warrior engaging the enemy in combat Jesus confronted Satan with the Words from His mouth. His Words were powerful, lethal weapons that hit their mark and drove Satan out.

One of the greatest confrontations between Jesus and Satan; happened at the beginning of Jesus' ministry. Read Luke 4:1-15In. this battle, Jesus clearly revealed how we can face Satan in every trial,every temptation, and every attack for a 100 percent victory.

Following His baptism in the Jordan river, Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness. There, He spent forty days in prayer and fasting. He communed with God, sought divine direction and prepared Himself for the work that He had been commissioned to do. During Jesus' time in the wilderness, Satan came to Him, and the battle was on.

We do not know in what form Satan appeared to Jesus. However, as he looked upon Jesus, he recognized Who He was . There, standing before him, in the form of human flesh, was the all-powerful Son of God. Jesus had been with God from the beginning and had watched Satan get thrown out of heaven.

Satan knew that Jesus had been sent forth and commissioned by God to defeat him. He came to Jesus in an attempt to stop Him from fulfilling God's will. Jesus knew who Satan was and why he was there. He knew that Satan was a deceiver and a liar, who had come to tempt Him to sin against God.  This was not a chance meeting. Jesus was not taken by surprise. He was prepared.

Jesus knew that He was the Son of God, that He was called to defeat Satan, that He had been anointed with the power of the Holy Spirit, and that He was standing in the authority of the Name of Almighty God, with all of heaven backing Him up.

... with authority and power he commandeth the unclean spirits, and they come out (Luke 4:36). 'Me Greek word for the English word authority is exousia, a, and it means "the right to exercise power." Power is translated from the Greek word dunamis, which is "the miracle-working power of God." Put it all together and we have "the right to exercise the miracle-working power of God."

Notice the strategy that Jesus used to win this battle. Satan attacked Jesus three times, tempting Him to sin against God. Jesus took authority over Satan three times, speaking the written Word of God against him.

1. Satan challenged Jesus to prove that He was the Son of God by turning a rock into bread. Jesus had been fasting for many days and was probably hungry. Satan appealed to his human heed for food. Jesus said: ... It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth  of God (Matthew 4:4).

2.Satan again challenged Jesus to prove that He was the Son  by throwing Himself off the roof of the temple. He even quoted Psalm 91 to Jesus to entice Him religiously, as if it was God speaking. Jesus said: ... It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God (Matthew 4:7).

3. Satan made a final attempt to tempt Him by promising to give Him all of the kingdoms of the world if Jesus would bow down and worship him. Jesus knew that Satan was a liar and a deceiver. Jesus said: ... Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve (Matthew 4:10).

When Jesus spoke the written Word of God, Satan had to retreat because God said: So shall my word that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it (Isaiah 55:11).

Jesus confronted Satan and defeated him by speaking the written Word. God has planned for you to do the same. He has planned for you to confront the enemy wherever you may find him. By speaking the Word, you will destroy his strongholds and conquer him, in the power and authority of the Holy Spirit!

God sent forth His Word into the earth, and it will not return unto Him void. He has planned for His Word to be in you. When you speak it forth, it will be a mighty weapon that will drive the enemy out of your life and circumstances. When you speak God's Word, it will be a devouring flame to consume the enemies of God, the same as the promise. God made to Jeremiah, the prophet: ... Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them ( Jeremiah 5:14).

When you speak God's Word, it will be a crushing hammer, breaking down the obstacles and hindrances that Satan has placed in your way: Is not my word like a fire? saith the LORI); and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? ( Jeremiah 23:29).

God is a God of plan, purpose, design,and objectivity . he has planned for you to be conformed and transformed by His Spirit into the express image of Christ. (See Romans 8:29.) He has planned for you to think, walk, talk, and act the way Jesus did while He was on this earth. He has planned for you to:

• Speak the Word, and see blind eyes opened.
• Speak the Word, and see the lame walk. 
• Speak the Word, and see deaf ears opened. 
• Speak the Word, and see tongues loosed. 
• Speak the Word, and see demons obey.
• Speak the Word, and see the dead raised to life.

You are a child of the living God, and this is your heritage. You may be thinking that Jesus was able to perform all of these miracles by speaking the Word because He was the Son of God. However, this is no more true of Jesus than it is of you or me. Through Christ, We have been made sons of God and made joint-heirs with Him. We have been entrusted with the same power and authority that Jesus was entrusted with.

Yes, Jesus was the Son of God, but He did not draw upon His divine abilities to heal the sick, cast out demons, or do any of the other miracles that He did. When He came to earth, He humbled and stripped Himself of His ability to be all-powerful, all-knowing, and everywhere present. He was still divine, but He was God in the flesh

Jesus taught ,healed the sick, cleansed the lepers, cast out devils,and raised the dead by the power of the Holy Spirit. God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit. (See Luke 3:16.) Jesus was sent forth to

to destroy the works of the devil.

While he was on earth, Jesus sent His disciples in the power in the power and authority of His name. He commanded them to: Heal the sick,

cleanse the lepers ,raise the dead,cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give They rejoiced  saying:

Lord even the devils are subject unto us through your name. And he said  to them, behold i saw Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold I give to you power to tread on serpents and 

scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Luke 10:17-20

The disciples received a breakthrough of revelation knowledge of the power and authority that Jesus had given to them through His Name. Do you think that Jesus would have sent them forth and commanded them to do something that they would not be capable of doing?

Jesus gave the disciples His power and authority and sent them forth in His Name. They did not go in their natural strength. They did not speak the Word of healing and deliverance in their own power. They simply acted in faith upon the Word that Jesus had spoken to them, and it was done!

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I

please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it (Isaiah 55:11).

THE EARLY CHURCH CONFRONTED SATAN, SPOKE THE WORD, AND DEFEATED HIM.

Before He ascended into heaven, Jesus gathered His disciples together and sent them forth to preach, teach, make disciples of all nations, heal the sick, cast out devils, and raise the dead . HE DID NOT expect them to go forth in their natural or physical strength. He gave them the same power and authority that He had while He lived on earth. He told them to go into Jerusalem and wait there until ye be endued with power from on high (Luke 24:49).

On the day of Pentecost, 120 disciples received the baptism of  the Holy Spirit. They left the Upper Room witl the same dunamis miracle-working power of God, and the same exousia authority to exercise  that power that Jesus had.

Immediately, Peter began to speak the Word under the power and anointing of the Holy  Spirit: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls (Acts 2:41).

The disciples did not sit back, with their hands folded, and wait for God to do all of the work. They took aggressive action. Knowing that they had been anointed by the Holy Spirit, and had been given authority over Satan, they confronted Satan wherever they saw people bound by his power.

Peter, on his way to the temple to pray, saw a lame man, lying by the temple gate begging. He spoke the Word: ... Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name ofJesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk (Acts 3:6). He lifted the man to his feet, and instantly, the man was healed.

In Lydda, Peter found a man who had been bedridden with the palsy for eight years. He spoke the Word to him. And Peter said unto him, Aeneas, Jesus Christ maketh thee whole: arise, and make thy bed. And he arose immediately (Acts 9:34). Aeneas got up out of his bed, and as a result of the miracle that was done in his body, there was a great revival. And all that dwelt at Lydda and Saron saw him, and turned to the Lord (Acts 9:35).

Later, in Joppa, Peter came to the home of Dorcas, who had died. he went to the room where they had lain her dead body. He knelt down beside the bed and prayed. Then, he turned to the dead body

and spoke the Word to her: ... Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and where she saw Peter, she sat up (Acts 9:40).

SATAN HAD TO RETREAT!

Satan working through the high priest, scribes, and elders, tried to stop the disciples from speaking the Word. They were put m prison, beaten and commanded not to speak at all or teach any

more in the name of Jesus. They had something within them that was alive The Living  Word was in them, and they could not keep quict.They had to speak the Word.They had to speak the name Jesus. They told the high priest and the elders For we cannot but speak the things which we have, seen and heard (A ct s 4:20).

The disciples could not stop speaking the Word. Regardless of what Satan was trying to do to stop them, they could not and did not stop speaking the Word. They continued to speak with boldness, and as a result: ... the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith (Acts 6:7).

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it (Isaiah 55:11).

GOD IS NOT DEPENDING ON OUR LIMITED STRENGTH

Are you hearing what the Spirit of God is saying to you today? Through the power and authority of the Holy Spirit, Jesus spoke the Word. Blind eyes and deaf ears were opened. Demons were cast out. The dead were raised. Water was turned into wine. Humans walked on water. Stormy winds and waves died to calm. All of these miracles happened through the power and authority of the Holy Spirit.

Believers in the Early Church spoke the Word and saw the same results. Through the same power and anointing of the Holy Spirit, God has planned for you and me to do the same. Say out loud: I am a part of God'end-timeplan. God has not

 planned any defeats for me. This is my year of new beginnings. God wants me to confront the enemy and speak the Word, destroy his strongholds, and conquer him, in the power and authority of the Holy Spirit!

What I am sharing with you in this lesson is more than just a theory. It is not a man-made theology. It is not just psychological verbiage. It is part of God's plan for your life. I realize that spme of you may think that this is only for super-human Christians

who have reached a certain spiritual plateau. You may not think that you are spiritually strong enough
You may not think your faith is strong enough to be able to speak the Word and see the lame walk or the blind see.

God's Word is not vulnerable. He is not depending upon a faith that you can somehow develop. He is not depending upon whether or not you can demonstrate enough super-faith to produce a miracle. God's Word remains true, regardless of whether or not some do not

believe it. For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the

faith of God without effect? God forbid.- yea, let God be true, but every
man a liar ... (Romans 3:3-4).

the faith and power are in the Word. When you are faithful to speak it forth, it will be done! Jesus said:

Verily, verily', I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works
that I do shall he do also: and greater -works than these shall he do;

because I go unto my Father.And shall ask in my name, that will I do-- that the Father may be glorified in the Son. -If ye shall ask any thing in my Name, I will do it.

John 14:12-14

Jesus did not limit the working of miracles to those who had developed a great faith. He said: ... He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also ... (John 14:12). He also said: ... If have faith as a grain of mustard ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible to you (Matthew 17:20).

God has planned for you to speak to the mountains that are in your way. Speak to the mountains of sickness, financial need, and family problems, and see them removed. He said that even if you only have faith as small as a tiny grain of mustard seed, you will be able to do it.

I am not trying to minimize the importance of faith. Faith is one of the powerful weapons that God has given to you to defeat Satan with. What I want you to see is that too many Christians today are depending on the power of their own faith, instead of depending on the Word of God and the faith that it will impart.

Read John 14:12-14 again. Circle the word ask. The word ask in these verses is not referring to praying. Jesus was not talking about pleading or begging. The word ask in the original Greek means "to make demand on something due."

When Peter spoke to the lame man, he was not pleading, begging, or asking. He was commanding. He was instructing. He was ordering. When he spoke the words ... In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk (Acts 3:6), he was taking possession of and commanding the healing that legally belonged to the man to be loosed into his crippled body. Because Jesus won the victory over Satan, this man's limbs received strength, and he was instantly healed.

You have been given the same authority to speak the Word with power. As He is now in the world. so are we in this world. We are the children of the living God. k See I His 3:1.) God sent forth His

Word into the earth. He has given us His infallible, impregnable, and 

everlasting Word. It will not return to Him void. He has planned for it to increase and multiply, until the earth is filled with the knowledge of the Lord. (See Habakkuk 2:14.)

The disciples had something within them that was compelling them to speak. They said: For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard (Acts 4:20). Like Jeremiah, the Word must become like a fire that is shut up within us. We will not be able to contain it but must speak it forth. (See Jeremiah 20:9.) Everywhere we go, we must go forth as Jesus did. We are commissioned, anointed, and sent by God to speak the words of life, healing, and deliverance. 

THE POWER IS IN THE WORD.
SPEAK IT FORTH, IN JESUS' NAME.

Let's take the mask off'. In the Church today, Christians have been taught to confess the Word and speak the Word, but few are experiencing the same results that the Early Church experienced. Why is that?

Satan knows the power of the Word. One of his strategies is to stop God's people from speaking forth the pure, unadulterated Word of God. He does this by twisting or perverting the Word with man-made doctrines and theology. There are Christians today who are following these man-made doctrines. 'They are confessing and repeating scriptures, but they have not yet had a revelation within

their spirit of all that the Word is or of the unlimited power that is contained in the Word.

Too many Christians today are too lazy or too involved in the cares of this life to get the written Word of God in them. As a result, they are not living their lives based on the pure, unadulterated Word of God, and although they may be repeating and confessing certain scriptures, they are not seeing the results that they should be seeing.

Speaking the Word is more than memorizing and repeating. It is not based upon following a specific formula certain scriptures. is following man-made doctrine. The purpose of speaking or confessing the Word is not so that Christians can satisfy their personal desires by claiming sports cars, mansions. or other materialistic blessings (though it is 100 percent God's for you to be blessed). 

We must have a confession of faith, but it is more than just being able to use our lips to confess the Word. We must use our lips to confess the words that are anointed with the power that comes from experience. We must have a revelation of the Word.

Speaking the Word involves speaking the written Word of God and also speaking the words that God directs you to speak. It involves speaking the words of healing and deliverance, in Jesus' Name, under the anointing of the Holy Spirit, the way the Early Church believers did.

This month, study and apply this lesson to your life. You will receive a revelation of all that the Word is and all it represents. You will see the unlimited power that is in the Word. By the time you

finish this lesson, you will be able to confront the enemy by speaking

the Word and destroying Ha strongholds in the circumstances in your life.

When you study this lesson, focus on your needs and the circumstances you may be facing right now. If you have a need to be healed physically—whether it be sugar diabetes, high blood pressure, stomach trouble, ulcers, bladder conditions, deaf ears—focus on it. If you have family problems or financial needs, focus on them.

God's Word is not void of power. The power is in the Word to heal your body and mind, mend your family's rifts, and overcome

any financial difficulties you may be experiencing. The power of the Word will meet you at the point of your need. Receive the written Word of God through this lesson. Reach out by faith, and take that Word. Grab it, and take whatever you need. It is written: He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them ... (Psalms 107:20).

Remember—God has not planned any defeats for you! He has given you His Word. When you speak it forth, you will be victorious!

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth.- it shall not

return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it

shall prosper in the thing whereunto  I sent it (Isaiah 55:11).

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its raining outside, it's cold outside, not many on the streets today. but here we go again in Arklow, out to the streets to meet folk who are dying, sick, lost and depressed. Even if it were a sunny day they would be feeling that way and maybe even suicidal, So out we go in our syringe, maybe we can make a difference in just one soul, maybe we can make a difference in a hundred, in faith I believe for many, for breakthrough and for miracles, let's see what happens today. Last night I spoke to a guy he was in the rehab I testified in, he was just in a few days, he looked sad but he hung onto every word I spoke. He was absolutely soaking it up. I went over to him afterwards and asked him what was going on. I am suicidal John he said, I won't do it but the thoughts just won't stop. I prayed for him there and then, tears came into his eyes, his lip shook with emotion. He hugged me and said, "Thanks, I needed that," He is in very safe hands and he will be fine. Keep all we reach in prayer please, keep us in prayer too. If you would like to partner with us, help towards petrol, food etc you can do so from my website.www.walkingfree.org We would appreciate it. I am speaking tonight in Aras Lorcan in Arklow if you want to come or know anyone who needs to come and hear our message. Blessings to you all and may miracles happen for you too.
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Paul Noble
4 November at 22:07 ·
I believe the majority of the church in the UK and especially what I know of here in the South of England, is lopsided in its focus. What do I mean? In Ephesians 4:11 there are 4 gifts to equip the saints: Apostles, prophets, evangelists and pastors/teachers. Most of the church however only knows the influence of 1/4 ... pastors/teachers. What is missing is the apostles, the prophets and the evangelists. I believe there is a call right now from the Holy Spirit to dialogue, gather and pray to join up the dots and release the 3/4. Are you a frustrated prophet, evangelist or apostle? Contact me and lets dialogue and pray that the Holy Spirit raises up men and women again in our land to carry a revival flame.

Chris Welch What comes first the chicken or the egg? The spirit that wanted to call Barnabus Zeus still lives in all our churches which is why they are pyramid shapes. Lift up Jesus truly and there will be no room for symbiotic relationships with pastor Zeus nor Apostle Zeus.
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Chris Welch I nearly wrote this status today....it's related in subject in some way: Look at that big evil beast of a bird swooping ever closer. It's talons are out and its eyes are filled with resolve. Who can save us? Cry the baby birds as they suddenly see its actually mummy and she is overturning the nest mercilessly so they all HAVE to fly..... Yup the thirdlevel Christians are coming for the secondlevellers to give them the same treatment that they had!!!
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Chris Welch But the nest was so cosy!!!
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Tony Hickman problem is that evangelists do not understand their call to equip! They just want to hold rallies around the world and save the lost etc. I have challanged them to come and stay for a season and equip the church but they refuse.
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Paul Noble Tony you may be right but at least they are preaching the Gospel. Maybe the church hasn't equipped the evangelist or made them feel welcome? Maybe they perceive that you want them to disciple or pastor the converts which is not their job?
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Paul Noble https://beaucrosetto.leadpages.net/video-1/
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Tony Hickman I have had a few big evangelist events spanning three -four days but only preaching the gospel and praying for the sick which is great. But equipping the church - no. I understand pastoring and discipleship but your profile was about the missing gifts? I was just pointing out why this one is probably missing.
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Steven Halford Hi Tony, wish I had known you.
It is my experience that evangelists start off being very dedicated to the church (I have been in 2 churches in 18 years, my wife in 2 in 25 years) and want to equip and often do.
But they aren't promoted (in terms of given exposure), understood or supported (in terms of moral support). They stick around as long as possible, do what they can with whoever will get involved, will ask to lead evangelistic times of training etc but never really have many behind them.

In my experience the church doesn't know what to do with them in terms of the 5-fold (or in Paul's thread the 4-fold ) so they leave them alone.
It is then their job to fulfill the call of God on their lives so they end of just going and winning souls.
My personal desire is to be sent and fully supported in my call from a local church in which I believe wholeheartedly.

I see the sending happening in the denominations but not so much in the newer charismatic independent churches.
This leads to frustration and so the evangelist has no other option but to simply go.
Especially in a church where the roles of the prophets are held to such high esteem.
Paul Noble is right in that we need the whole ministry gifts given by Jesus in Eph 4 to work together, including the evangelists. It's no wonder the church in Africa grows and the church in England shrinks. The Church in the UK has shown very little desire to even have evangelists present that they are forced to the nations that welcome them.
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Steven Halford Next year we are putitng on an event to both equip and preach to the lost. Watch this space
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Tony Hickman I think what most pastors want initially is to see the church equipped to win souls where the church is planted.
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Steven Halford Yeah, but they need to be pastors and shepherd their sheep and let the evangelists preach.
Now I believe we're all called to share the good news, but I'm talking about the gift of the pastor, evangelist etc.
Many leaders don't know what they're supposed to be doing within ministry. If we knew our place and were honest about our strengths and weaknesses we would find our place and the church would be equipped.
Having been a pastor at a church I can say that the gift of the pastor is not a gift I possess. Leadership is, but in terms of the Eph 4:11 ministry gifts (some wrongfully call offices) my "gift" would be evangelism.
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Steven Halford We shold be constantly expanding, not having some saved in the beginning and pouring just into them. We win, we equip ,we win some more, we equip some more, they win, they equip etc etc.
I've seen it in the UK although for a short amount of time. Seeing it happen in a big way in Africa. But the evangelist should be apostolic with the local church in mind no matter where he/she goes. Working with the local church.
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Tony Hickman the evangelist was given to the church to equip the saints - what is your opinion about what this means?
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Steven Halford Train. Teach them how to win the lost.
Then the teacher and pastor trains people how to keep those who were once lost.
The prophet points the way forward for the church and the apostle grounds the prophets point.

For every Eph 4 ministry gift their calling is two fold. To do the work, and to equip others to do the work.
A healthy church should be raising up other apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers.

And also teaching those not necessarily called to be evangelists how to witness to the lost. The same way the prophet teaches us how to hear the voice of God and to prophesy as well as to raise up other prophets.
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Jonathan London The problem is that as our pastor recently said - Jesus is many peoples saviour but he needs to be our Lord and Saviour. Matthew 28:19-20 a scripture we know so well...

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

We go, we preach but it often stops there which is why many coin the expression a mile wide and an inch deep when referring to discipleship. The important bit missing is "teaching them to obey all I have commanded you." The question is, are we being obedient because God's blessing always falls on those who are obedient as clearly demonstrated throughout scripture. If we want to see revival lets fulfill the commission in full.
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Steven Halford Which is why we need the Eph 4 ministry gifts working together. To equip and to empower others to make disciples.
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Jonathan London As Evan Roberts famously said... Obedience, obedience, obedience.
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Jonathan London Was just reminded of this picture I had years ago. The two lamps look the same but look closely and one is shining.

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Steven Halford Yeah, we don't need experts, we need people on fire for Jesus to simply burn and let their lights shine.
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Jonathan London WANTED - Those who are unschooled ordinary people but who have been with Jesus ; )
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Steven Halford Or those who are schooled and have been with Jesus
(basically anyone who has been with Jesus )
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Chris Welch Evangelists are part mysterious revelation of God...it's an anointing that comes from God.......and part earthly pain in the neck.

So it may be said are all the other ministries....especially while we remain in the Holy Place arena of church.

Here's the good side.
There's something about an evangelist that in his anointing he can tell the element that remains in pastors of wolves in sheeps clothing. When he is in mid flow in his priestly office of welcoming new kings kids into the kingdom....he is surprisingly thirdlevel....pureminded....and very conscious of the different ways the devil tries to subvert what he is doing. For what he is doing is not human. It is supernatural. Nothing less than the anointing of God rests upon Him to empower these everyday religious or non religious NON CONVERTS into becoming supernaturally born again. He feels the Spirit actually leave him and be imparted to these people. So if any fleshy pastor then tries to add human wisdom....or emotional manipulation...or pyramid building agendas to try and suck these new persons into something other than the pure family of God....boy you are going to have ructions from an evangelist moving in the Spirit.
He is filled with the gospel of liberty....so even the slightest sense of wolfishness will get the strongest verbal tongue lashings.

Here's the bad side. Somehow God goes to extra special trouble to get evangelists kind of 3rd level WITHIN their special remit....as fast as possible....BECAUSE GOD WANTS A BIG KINGDOM NOW!!!!
But once an evangelist has taken off his coat he seems one of the most backward of all Spirit filled ministries, They have little clue for either Genuine Spirit Church or the modern apostolic fake derivatives. They are unable to tell the difference...because frankly in their own lives they couldn't care less. I know tons of evangelists who the moment they are not fulfilling their divine prerogative...they are practically pulled out into the world again. I am sure a lot of this comes from their desire for reality,,,,and they can detect pastors with wolf hearts immediately....but I have noticed evangelists haven't a clue about what life is for. They honestly think that life is for getting as many scalps in the kingdom then waiting at a bus stop for Jesus to return. They have absolutely no daily clue of third level living on a daily basis nor of Galatians 2:20. In their daily lives they continue in the wolfish way of being themselves...which is probably why they see it in pastors so clearly. We have one like this on the island, come down from Bracknell.

All these problems clear up in thirdlevel churches....it's the present mish mash...half in half out Kingdom living that is such rubbish. Once people have Jesus consciousness everything but everything changes.
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Steven Halford Very good Chris. I have no idea what third level is though.
I disagree with your second to last paragraph though (starting with "here's the bad side).
I am nothing like what you discribed and the few evangelists I know are not like that either. If I was of the sort I would take offense to what you said, strongly (but I'm not the sort so I won't ).
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Chris Welch you look around you...they are there. And there are similarly off but quirky things about all the other ministries too....but as I say....once everyone's firmly parked in 1 John 2 it's not an issue.
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Steven Halford Well as an evangelist I might take you to task on what "we" are like
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Chris Welch negative aside...I believe the Holy Spirit wants to encourage evangelists today to rise up....not be bolshy and wander around as though everyone is against them....but to know everyone is against them!!!!!LOL because the world hangs together in this disguised Darkness fashion of makebelieve....and when evangelists speak the truth ofcourse things that are hidden get polarised.
We need to be born again....period. The biggest obstacle is in the TREE OF GOOD....the good atheist....the Anglican who has gone to church rigorously all their ife but never ever crossed the line into NEW LIFE.
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Steven Halford Now that I can wholeheartedly agree on
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Denis Goodwin most of the churches in our area are looking for the last of the blood moons for pete's sake!
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Steven Halford Ha ha. Although I don't believe that to be true. I know a lot of pastors in the area who don't even know what it is.
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Chris Welch One description of flesh life is Jezebel and Ahab
Namely unless Spirit ministries are regularly cutting through...all civilisation seems to settle back into women taking roles in the wrong spirit and men sitting back on the sofa like Ahab...more or less discouraged...thinking nothing will ever change....and opening another crisp packet and watching XFactor
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Steven Halford Well I know that feeling
But nothing can stop any believer witnessing whenever he/she feels like it. Evangelism is not an event, it's a lifestyle. It's not just about big meetings but the man on the street, the neighbour, the poor, the lonely, the rich etc.
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Chris Welch At the end of the day....Darkness is only a lying spirit. it contains no substance whatsoever....and and anysubstance that it does have are nicked from God....like Reiki....or clairvoyance.....or riches....which are all nicked from us in bogus taxes anyway...the POWER tpo make wealth or do anything positive in life is actually GOD. Greed only takes from someone else what is theres...it's not a life force.
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Chris Welch I guess what I am feeling is more of the full force in which we have been ripped off totally by lies....time for the evangelsists and the church to rise up and say....what a LOAD OF CODSWALLOP
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Steven Halford Time for the church to send the evangelists. I've so resisted being a "went one". I want to be a "sent one". I guess I must fall back on God sending me, which is weird as I believe in the sending nature and power of the Holy Spirit through the Church.
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Chris Welch Well at the moment the church visible is not quite the same as the Spirit infrastructure....anyhow....when we see the field white for harvest we pray the Father to prepare workers and send them out. The word send out is dynamite. So our prayers wind you up like clockwork and then God presses the on switch........BAAAAAAANG
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Chris Welch I wouldn't wait for a modern network church to send anyone out....if they do...it's susp[icious...because none of them live in revival anointing.....and most usually they don't but God is saying YES anywayJohn Edwards knows about this stuff....he lives as though Bradford are covering him....but in reality he's delicately preserving his Holy Spirit anointing from contamination but all the while smiling sweetly.
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Steven Halford You can't say none of them because you don't know all of them.
I know plenty of church leaders hungry for revival and anointed for what God has them to do. Maybe change your church circle of friends
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Steven Halford I love the church. Don't always agree with them and they with me but Jesus said, "The gates of hell will not prevail against them (the church)". It's an eternal church.
It's just a lot in this nation have been asleep. Time to take out the big horns and awaken the sleeping and dead
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Paul Noble Cor you've all been having a good time while I've been away
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Paul Noble I think maybe one of the problems is we think that a pastor or even pastors/elders control the church when they are actually overseers. What happens when you have an apostle in your midst or a prophet or an evangelist? I love the evangelists - go for it Steve Halford!!!
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Paul Noble I personally think there are many people sitting in the pews who actually fit the bill here and what happens is the church doesn't know how to send them out because they only what nice/kind pastors and shepherds. Then these A P E's (Apostles, prophets and evangelists get thrown out!) This has happened to me several times every time I get building and pioneering something - the pastors get twitchy rather than laying hands and sending!
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Chris Welch rather than talking...you need to see things like this...and then once you know it you can begin speaking with authority. We in britain and in the charismatic move have been part of a huge dupe. because we did not maintain Revival presence we have unwittingly succoured the contents of this very film. There are children who are now dead because we were playing games.

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Steven Halford Well I don't think I believe that. STarted watching the video and thought it was a bit far out there.
Anyway, we don't need this video to know the faults with other religions.
I like to look at it like this.
Bank tellers just a few short years ago were seldom taught how to spot counterfiet bank notes. Instead they were taught so well to know the real, and know it inside and out that when a fake bil came along they would know it instantly.
That's what we are to be like in the church. We know truth so well that when error comes along it screams out loud that it's fake.
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Steven Halford Oh come on!
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Chris Welch Absolutely none of us believe what is going on. Why do you think Jesus said if the Light within you is Darkness how great is the real Darkness
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Chris Welch Time to wake up guy
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Steven Halford Satanic ritual abuse at ORU? It's a Christian university. Some of my friends graduated from there. I knew one of the presidents.
This lady is nuts.
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Chris Welch This is why we need Jesus....we really need Jesus...not in the little side alley way that you think
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Steven Halford Not sure what that means.
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Chris Welch This is all going on within.
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Steven Halford What is? Are you being cryptic?
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Chris Welch Why do you think we need the gift of the discerning of spirits? And when was the last time that was even talked about in an english network church?
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Steven Halford I preached it not too long ago in a church here in the UK
It's happening. You might want to look outside of your network if it's not happening within
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Chris Welch If you watch the video you will hear of a woman accusing the top individuals of rape and torture and SRA...it's not crptic in meaning it's cryptic infact.
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Steven Halford I have no doubts regarding the masons and the infiltration of the church. I grew up in the USA and it's rampant there.
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Steven Halford Very strong in the UK too.
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Steven Halford I don't like Youtube videos telling me what to believe. Too many heresy hunters out there.
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it's a very unfriendly seeming way of doing it...but you see some of us have been conversing with you network people for 25 years and you have chosen your way of believing and sold your anointing and the Revival presence for the preciousness of your own thinking....so we have found words themselves to be nearly useless. Once the initial abrasiveness of Youtube brandishment wears off...it's one of the quickest ways of waking people up as to what is never shown on Rothschild TV.
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Steven Halford What network? I'm not a thinker, ask Paul
I like to wake people up with my own words from the mouth and heart of God.
Not arguing, I'm not good at injecting tone into my written words.
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Chris Welch Having some anointing is real enough...but in Revival presence the limitations are taken off....and as it is said of Jesus....when He saw the presence of the Lord was there to heal he prayed for all those who were sick and they were healed. It's a matter of measure. it'snot even individual anointing....it's corporate levels of anointing. I am relatively aware of what we have in Britain. My role as others on the net is to bring in the thirdlevel to a church that neither knows what it is nor knows why it should bother....but then Jesus ministered in such an atmosphere too...so that's all normal.
He was taking things from Jewish firstlevel believing into the new Spirit filled class of believing....which is the second young man stage of 1 John 2. For 40-60 years Jesus has been knocking on the Door of His Church to take it onto the thirdlevel.
Steven Halford What is the third level? The heavenly realm?
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Chris Welch The level Jesus lived at.
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Steven Halford In the Spirit? That's where I like to think I live
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Steven Halford Are you living this way Chris?
I mean in what you called "revival presence"?
When you said about "us" selling our anointing who were you talking about?
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Paul Noble I'm not sure satanic ritual abuse and masonic whatever is quite what this post is about? Keep on topic lol!
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Steven Halford Yeah for real
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Chris Welch Revival is being laid bare. This is absolutely on topic.
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Chris Welch This is where we are as two nations among many UK and USA.
The reason nobody will listen to you as you preach is because of these very things hiding and manipulating everything from how we do education, to the laws of the land to how our media is, to the reason why there is no open heaven.....it's all the same thing.
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Steven Halford Ritual and masonic abuse doesn't have much to do with the 4/5 fold ministry gifts in the charismatic church in the UK and the role of evangelism..
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Steven Halford People listen to me Chris. I live under an open heaven. I am in Christ and He in me. I am in the Father and He is in me. I am filled with the Holy Spirit and live the full life set out before me.
And I know a lot of people living this way.
Is there more? Sure, there's always more. Which is one of the reasons we seek him
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Chris WelchI've been brought in today to show you how irrelevant you are to the world that is out there....the whole structure is built on these things and you have no authority whatsoever...nor it seems...any care to see any change...you just want your little ministries your way, in your type of network churches. You can see why John Edwards just goes out and does something totally separate...because he was down and out and a drug abuser and relates directly with the state of the nation.
You have to realise that the infrastructures are the very backbone of the underworld....there is NO DIFFERENCE. Through freemasonry and backdoor secret service work the endless supply of drugs is flooding in.15 hrs · Like

Steven Halford Wow. You might want to start using that gift of discerning of spirits right about now.
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Chris Welch As Brian Eno says....the interest is in the borders., the boundaries. Otherwise everyone is sealed and into what they are into and very little growth occurs. The growth is in the rattling of dead bones.
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Steven Halford I'm not sure you're making much sense Chris.
I'm sure you're a nice guy but your comments are all over the place. I don't think you're listening to what is being said. You're just talking and accusing people you don't know of things they haven't done and of things they aren't a part of.
Feeling confused by your comments.
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Chris Welch What I am not saying is trying to pat you on the back for all the people that do listen to you. Enjoy it. or Use it. But it's not getting to the root of things...which is where the real revivals operate.
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Steven Halford You said...
"The reason nobody will listen to you as you preach is because of these very things hiding and manipulating everything from how we do education, to the laws of the land to how our media is, to the reason why there is no open heaven.....it's all the same thing."
So I responded by saying people listen to me. Not every one. You assumed something that isn't true.
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Chris Welch The reason the people on the streets of Southampton or Portsmouth won't listen to you......and so on.
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Steven Halford Eh? How do you know they don't?
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Chris Welch Shall I tell you Stephen? Do you really want to know?
Because when Light gets switched on everyone in the Body knows about it. It flashes round the Body like wildfire. The last real Kingdom event of any size was Lakeland....and boy everyone knew about it. It was in the end abortive....but we all knew about that too. That's how I know where you are bro. The silence.
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Paul Noble Chris I don't think its helpful making judgements of Steve's "success" . I know that Steve is actually a fervent and bold evangelist and people listen to him and get saved.
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Steven Halford It's Steven with a V
I can agree with that comment.
My silence is part of my journey. I was so loud for so long that I got tired of hearing myself speak. But in every fire when the brightness dimmers the underbrush still burns, ready for the next gust of heavy wind to ignite the flames again.
The Holy Spirit is getting ready to blow on His remnant and those fires who have had nothing but water poured on them for a very long time. The fires of God burn stronger than any water poured on them by man
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Paul Noble I think sometime we go on about revival too much. Paul didn't seem to be urging the church to pray for it. If the Evangelists and Apostles were released by the church maybe we would have a revival!
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Steven Halford Every great man and woman of God has a period of being hidden. They all have their own desert moments when hunger and thirst set in. But then God sends the angels to minister to them and to help feed them, ready for the next phase of their life giving ministries.
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Steven Halford I think revival has become an idol to us. I no longer pray for it. I cry out for the church to be awakened. I live revival even if the church won't.
I wait on the Lord, not the church.
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Paul Noble Amen Steve. I think you and I are in a similar hidden place at the moment but its really important because i get a sense the Holy Spirit is about to raise up a whole lot of hidden people who have been through the wars but continue to stay on fire for the Lord whatever the cost!
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Chris Welch Sounds good doesn't it.
Now I'll tell you the truth.
And this is as a man of England...rather than Steven Halford per se.
But having chosen to be recognised here in a portion of England, and in that sense connected into it I will address you as a man of England.
The Lord has laboured here in the UK laying a foundation of the young man in Christ of 1 John 2. Through Evan Roberts...on through the greats of George Jeffries, Smith Wigglesworth and down.
By 1950 He was ready to move England on...beyond the basics of introducing the apostolic through the Apostolic Church.
He began laying the foundation of the third level.
Through regular visits from Norman Grubb, R.Edward Miller, the still current ministry of the Sisters of Mary who in England are based in Radlett, and perhaps most significant of all since it included the new Light of the whole Body of Christ was Graham Pulkingham, then Sam Fife.
And you man of England have blocked the door. For 40 years. Have said no to Jesus Christ . He would have overshadowed you man of England with the Cloud and Pillar of fire, but you said no. You wanted Him on your terms, your understanding, and you would not let that idol of your understanding fall. Jesus Christ being a gentleman has withdrawn for 40 years since His last knocking.
Nothing has essentially changed here in 40 whole years..because that is what you man of England wanted with the base of your heart. You said...Go away Jesus...that's getting too too personal. I want your revival My way now Go away.

So He has gone away.
He has withdrawn Himself.
Indeed He cannot come back until we as a nation say to someone who does not "look like it"
Blessed are you who come in the Name of the Lord.

Until that time all His secretly prepared servants which have been stacked in great abundance in the shadows here or from abroad, are put aside, and things crawl along at a snail's pace, when God had already favoured Britain according to the prayers and martyrs of the past....by accelerating us into all three stages of growth in less than a century....but we would not....and you Stephen are one of them that would not...in as far as you are a man of England.
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Steven Halford It's Steven with a V.
Sounds good, and you almost got it right.
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Chris Welch we can do all the dark night of the soul stuff we like...but sometimes we just need to live like in Acts and actually listen to the Word coming through members of the Body. Half of the UK religious histrionics would disappear overnight if we just took the church in Ephesians seriously.
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Steven Halford I guess you're also a man of England.
I'm a man IN England, but not of.
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Chris Welch Well you are received...so you share the guilt.
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Steven Halford I don't share any guilt. I am of my Father in heaven where there is no guilt.
Our spiritul forefathers and those holding people back might share the guilt, but that's not me
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Chris Welch If you really believed that I'd have heard of you.
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Steven Halford Oh you've heard of me Chris
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Steven Halford Chris, did you ever go to any meetings in Lee-on-the-Solent on a Sunday night? Just curious.
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Chris Welch No i really havent...not in the sense I am meaning. I am not wanting to put you under pressure to prove anything either as I won't succomb.
I was already in my window so i know revival firsthand....but even previous revival types don't interest me. What was starting to happen in Lakeland was the first shoots of a new type. Actually Evan Roberts was the first as an individual. Lakeland was beginning to be corporate. That is a corporate version of the dynamic that Evan Roberts pioneered face down to the floor.

Now God used Hindhead tunnel to show me that He is actually tunnelling at both ends.
You referred to being caught up in the third heaven...which is one side....but without the other end of it...nothing really can be extended.
Jesus learned to live "the Father in His form" without any Holy Spirit zappy stuff for 30 years...and that is what we have been learning. So what you end up with is consciousness of Christ in everything you are and do....then onto that God can do any zappy thing He wants.
So thirdlevel church is nolonger just anointing
like the 5 wise virgins you have been down the shops to buy the equivalent of more oil....which is learning Galatians 2:20 as consciousness.
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Chris Welch Jesus says when you pray go into your inner room and shut your door. The only way we can ever know who we are is to have the Father personally speak that to us. But we must learn to shut that door. I'll be frank....I have personally never heard anyone in the UK who has shut that door (Frank Carson aside). Someone who has shut that door has such fire upon his or her Word you get singed even hearing it and it provokes the strongest of reactions. It's like Stephen or Paul in Acts . What happens if we don't is that we evaluate everything that God speaks with our leftbrain. It's like a circumcision knife has to cut the umbilical cord. The lefbrain screams bluemurder and threatens us with madness....but we HAVE to be able to trust God inside us if we want power...but conversely we HAVE to train our senses according to that voice....and that takes a while and also egg on our face. Typically, no network leader so far in the UK knows this stuff and you try to speak to them and you can't reach their spirit because their leftbrain is kicking in all the time. It's actually rude. But the leftbrain that hasn't learnt to be in the courts of the Lord has no idea how to behave.....and people give themselves away instantly where they are in the Lord.
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Paul Noble Just coming back to the point! Are you an apostle? Are you a prophet? Are you an evangelist? If you are then seek God as to what God maybe has for you right now because I believe this is a season of spiritual change a new day of grace.
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Chris Welch Whatever it is it will be in the context of a thirdlevel Body of Christ which doesn't look anything like what we have today. Just warning you......the secondlevel will continue much like the Jews continued, and the evangelicals have continued.....like empty shells in the purposes of God, but if you want to be following the Pillarof Cloud by Day and the Pillar of Fire by night that is where you will be going. For all else, go to Macdonalds and meet with the secondlevellers there.
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Chris Welch I'm not interested in just saying stuff....but I feel to add this....and it is all entirely in the context of revival and evangelism in Britain now.
here we go.....
6 years ago I took a younger Ben to HMS Sultan's Summer Open Day. There was a display of a stripped down Warship Diesel Turbine. Can't remember how many there are on a ship.
Anyhow EACH turbine, I felt God say, mirrors how He works in revival...true revivals. And ideally He wants to get the church operating these things all over the world continually.

So each turbine has one or two ignition burners...or "fire-starters" then a cylindrical set of 12 or so continuous burners which operate for so many hours before they are taken out of service.

So imagine some idiot like St Peter or Todd Bentley brave or stupid enough to begin walking on water and starting a revival....
THEN you have 12 other ministries working together to produce the main ongoing thrust....like after Acts 2...the 12 went from house to house imparting Christ in the first church.

Here's the problem since the inception of Pentecostalism in 1900.
YOU EITHER GET....one firestarter...who has touchefd the Holy of Holies and is literally on fire like Isaiah or Ezekiel sharing that fire
think Evan Roberts
George Jeffries
Smith Wigglesworth

OR for BRIEF INSTANTS you get relational men connected for the shortest periods by anointing alone
LIKE the Fort Lauderdale crowd
The people who ran Fountain Trust in the beginning
LIKE the London housechurch leaders at the very beginning who formed the crucible into which and upon which God could hang the critical anointed Bible weeks that changed the face of the British church in recent times in the 70s.

But if you only have secondlevellers you can't have BOTH and NOT AT ONCE.

WHY?
Because unless you have leaders who know how to "SHUT THE DOOR TOGETHER"

you end up with individual FIRE ministries shaping nations on their own like
MORRIS CERULLO
like TL Osborne and his wife Daisy
or Rheinhard Bonnke
or today's David Hathaway at the peak of his ministry affecting Europe and Israel

BUT as the LOndon leaders and Bradford leaders have shown adequately YOU CANNOT HAVE SECONDLEVELLERS who can walk together for longer than a few months in the FIRE of GOD...

or to put it in my Hebrews lingo

Walking according to the Melchizedek Heavenly Order...where the Heavenly concept of Priesthood marries with the earthly one.

So until we go thirdlevel
we are stuck with Elijah type single ministries that shake the nations a bit, get large numbers of people saved...but DON'T BUILD CHURCHES

OR....churches built that really never get any foundation laid much beyond Romans 3 to 5, like Joel Osteen or Joseph Prince...
certainly no foundation strong enough to carry a team of very different ministries along in the FIRE OF GOD.

So we're at a crossroads. What do people want? Or as the Spice Girls said...what do we really really want?

In 1974, I read about the third level in New Covenant magazine, the catholic charismatic magazine coming out of Ann Arbor Michigan...and i decided that was the missing element that I wasn't getting in the UK preaching. And that ONE THING have I gone for in my life, and that one thing I now have in my spirit and can impart it. Not that I won't be exploring it with others.....so I'm no particular expert.....but it has simply cost me too too much to go back now into secondlevel charismatic "circus-merrygo rounds".

Chris Welch Rich Novek just shared this "live" revelation as he was sharing on blogtalk radio

And this too helps give some more insight on the two different levels of evangelism
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Yesterday while doing my show I got a fresh revelation AS it was coming out of my mouth...

Here it is just for you...I realized the first words Paul ever heard Jesus speak had to do with our union "Oneness" IN Him. "Saul, why are you persecuting ME!" But it was the early church he was persecuting not Jesus. At least from appearances. So this is confirmation of..."Whatsoever we do to the least of these we do it unto Him." Cool huh?
Rich Novek

Folks, Paul's first ever encounter with Jesus has to do with His (Jesus) own union relationship with His body. So much so He lets Paul know (Saul) He is persecuting Him! You won't find any separate or distant God there, lol!

If you have seen me you have seen the Father! If you have touched my body you have persecuted ME!

When It came out of my mouth it was like a light going off and bells ringing; from the onset Jesus wanted Paul to know REAL Spirit intimacy not dead letter religion! And what was Paul's response, "Who are you?" This is so much like the millions of Christians today who honor Him with their lips but whose hearts are far from (KNOWING) Him! They know about Him which is a far cry from knowing Him. "Depart from me I never KNEW you!"

Paraphrase: Leave my presence NOW if you have no intentions of REAL intimacy!

Jesus was only about His Father's business and His Father's business was the "Is-ness" of His Son! It hasn't changed as everything we endure by embracing the "losing to gain" life is meant to take us into a deep and abiding Oneness where we never see ourselves separated from God again!
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Chris Welch In a nutshell
Revival Part 1 in Acts 2 was
This Jesus who you crucified

But Paul was a different new thing - it was a specific Union message

Jesus says...this ME that was in the body form of Stephen that you had killed.......