Did we inherit a sin nature?

Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation.....and God saw that it was good
"Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; but I tell you, not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these.

Kay Fairchild is writing " we did not inherit sin from Adam....or more exactly...Adam's sin nature"
This is very interesting from the point of view of our "seeing".
I am convinced by my own life experience, Bible Knowledge and then reading Norman Grubb later in 1989....
that we DID inherit Adam's sin nature
BUT
BUT
BUT not how you think
Not how Augustine thinks
Not how Catholics think
Not how any Catholic derivatives think....like TULIP (Calvinists)
You see in my Bible we don't have a nature.
Other than as, Kay says, and Andre Rabe says, God
Read Norman Grubb "Yes I am " to see the things we can DO as humans....and then read what we can't do.
But the main gist is this
Our identity isn't what you think it is
What you think it is....was put there as a delusion by the god of this world. See Ephesians 2 and 1 Corinthians 12 verse 1
No our REAL identity...and here Kay and Andre and Francois all agree....our real identity is spirit. At least i hope we agree, because any Buddhist will tell you that.
Westerners have one more layer of deception to wade through than easterners who are already halfway there.
What we call US isn't......
That's just surface stuff. It's what I call "front of house".
It's like calling a butler the Lord of the Manor. That's the stupid daily error every Westerner this side of planet earth does daily.
Take the breath of life at a spirit level from out of your trouser leg, or hairy armpits.....(and that's just the modern women!!!)
you can have as much soul as you like...as much as James Brown...
BUT YOU ARE DEAD MEAT.
So when I use the phrase "inherit Adam's sin nature", I am different from Augustine....because he believes in the independent self.
I KNOW by virtue of living during a different time period and now catching up with St Paul....
we don't have an independent nature of our own....
WE NEED TO BE POWERED BY A DEITY.
The Deity of our choice.
What Kay and I agree on is that Adam didn't even become evil
And therefore a baby can't inherit evil and become evil.
But we believe that for two absolutely diametrically opposite reasons.
As far as I can read of anything Kay writes, she has not yet seen what Bob Dylan sang and became somewhat ostracised straight away for when he joined Chuck Smith's church and did the album
Slow Train Coming.
He sang "You gotta serve somebody" which is the essence of Paul's whole gospel.
Graham Pulkingham and the Fisherfolk were trying to share this as well, and try as we might we just couldn't see what they were saying.
If we have a nature at all.....in the Spirit.
It is a clay vessel ready to be filled with the substance....GLORY or SHEKINAH or GOD'S ESSENCE.
we have this treasure in earthen vessels.
But as soon as we change our "inner seeing" and that is where the devil "opened our eyes" to look unto falsehood....
as soon as we change our innermost settings to read
independent god strutting round the universe.....
far from being a free clay pot moving from place to place, we switch over to Adam's stupid inner believing of being
AN ALONE - I in the universe.....
The devil honestly believes that.
But we as "pots" as spirit containers can never be that....
and the devil knew that....
and his essence, his nature -his spirit has been empowering us secretly ever since.
But the devil's life, as much as it is twisted in self centredness, still is a creature/ a creation of God / derives from God.
What people used to call "our natural man, or natural life" still has God in. That's been the major confusion for all these millennia.
So King Cyrus was it(?), donated all the materials for God's temple to David and Solomon. The Kings in Babylon actually sent Nehemiah and Ezra back to Jerusalem.
Not even Hitler was totally totally evil. Just look at his family films.
(Actually just like the Illuminati and today's politicians, the earth's controller's had "stuff" on Hitler....his love of scatalogical sex. So all a "ruler " had to say in secret to Hitler was....you either kill those Jews or we will tell the world about you.
When Bill Clinton wouldn't pass secrets on to Mossad, they sent in Monica Lewinsky a Mossad spy, and the rest is history)
NO.....when the Bible says we inherit the nature of sin from Adam,
that is precisely what it means.....
THE NATURE OF WHAT SIN ACTUALLY IS AND HOW IT OPERATES.
Now there is no leftbrain way of showing others. Just as I hadnt a clue what Graham Pulkingham was saying nor Bob Dylan....
Until you have been shredded in some kind of Romans 7 experience you cannot know what Paul means by the phrase
"sin in the flesh".
What a leftbrain driven person hears is
"The devil made me do it."
So if we broke that down into an image....
the leftbrain understanding of that statement is
me or you, an independent being, is being bullied by an either fantasy or actual big bully spirit person to do something.
The Spirit reality is
YOU or ME the bucket
or let's say electric kettle with a lead plugged into a socket
Or perhaps a glove puppet
Need something in the container to function, need electricity to be powered, need an arm up our bum to move....
and horror of horrors.....that spirit empowering our so called independence....was SATAN.....was the POWER of sin in our flesh.......when all the time I thought it was just me.
Boy it takes a lot of words writing to leftbrains....
In the Spirit you get this instantly.
This is why the gift of tongues is so genius. IT SWITCHES OFF YOUR LEFTBRAIN TEMPORARILY SO YOU CAN MORE EASILY START TO REALISE YOU ARE SPIRIT.
"STIR UP THE SPIRIT OR GIFT THAT IS WITHIN YOU TIMOTHY."
SUMMARY
you cannot inherit a block of evil from Adam and then be totally evil....because you cannot be ANYTHING in your own right.
You can only be empowered by the NATURE of the particular one you choose.
You cannot ever be Good or goodness....There is only one who is good...Jesus said....My Father in heaven.
You can be HIS GOODNESS
yOU CAN BE THE DEVIL'S BADNESS
But you as an empty vessel cannot BE anything.
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Paul Noble
Paul Noble Interested in your comment. In Adam we are essentially soulish. Adam became a living soul. My experience is in Christ we became alive. Our spirit which is Christ is our identity
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Chris Welch well I am really saying we may have thought we were soulish but all along , while strutting around godlike we were Satanish
Soulish is a delusional state which is why Pentecostal theology is so crap.
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Paul Noble My understanding would be that our spirit is our essential being? Soul is a bit like the memory and processor part of a computer. The spirit is the ghost in the machine!
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Chris Welch Well Hebrews 4 puts it this way....
The Word is a double edged sword so sharp that itt is able to discern the thoughts and INTENTIONS of the heart, cutting to divide and separate soul from spirit , joints from marrow....See more
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Paul Noble That's why Spirit and soul looks alike. That's maybe the difference between the gift of prophecy and a clairvoyant
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Chris Welch The phrase we ( union crowd) use is masquerade.
Satan masquerades as "just us"
Many choose sex in the back of the car but don't intend for the illegitimate pregnancy and raising the child for the rest of their life. But Satan planned the whole thing masquerading as us from the first drive to the hidden spot.
Then from outside us commands his condemnation department to tell us what a complete lowlife we are....as if we were independent beings.

We're Baby Boomers

(describing most of  my Facebook friends)
We're baby boomers. We're either children of Rockn Roll or in my case the Beatles. About 10-20 years younger than the real movers and shakers themselves. That is I am too young , just, to be an ex hippy. i couldn't really "get" why Bob Dylan and John Lennon were so important. In a way I was a perfect product of them because I couldn't "get " it....in other words I was already normalised. It was my music.
I couldn't understand why Bob Dylan was so silent and monosyllabic in that iconic 1966 interview. Anyone remember the big one? he basically was refusing point blank to identify with the Pathe News patronising voice news media.....and really....although it took some time....in that interview he smashed it. He smashed the old order. Almost like the quiet resistance 20 years earlier that Ghandi adopted to smash the British Empire's hold of India.
We were convinced new ideas ruled.

We were also convinced in the atheist post -Auschwitz generation that there was no room for God and religion.
We couldn't know that ....for yes , in fact ,we were....we were part of the fairy story.
And here I refer to the fact that the Grimm's Fairy tales turn out to be the real world, and what we deemed the real world is an enormous construct.
Good and evil really exists and is in a life and death struggle, and the winner will take all.
New Agers deny evil as a spiritual person and relegate it to bad thoughts, bad intentions, selfishness,bad karma,selfish agenda.
Perhaps rightly they are irritated by the pentecostal "out there" view of evil. ' The devil made me do it.'

My intention here is not to make a big thing of this point, but simply so you know, express my belief in a paragraph.
In the Good corner
is the Goodness of God being expressed daily through all creation, and to a greater or lesser extent through every human...
but in purity as the Triune God , individually by union with our spirit, and corporately in the Living Body of Christ actively in union with Him.
In the bad corner is "the world, the flesh and the devil."
So the devil as fallen angel through principalities and powers, pulls on our flesh as individuals, and corporately as the "world system" or matrix.
In Greek there are two words for world...this one is kosmos.
But in psalm 24...the earth is the Lord's ....representing the whole thing...even allowing for the effects of demonic squatters pulling their weight in and by humans!!!

So us baby boomers strode out convinced we were different.
Values of love.(Hippies etc)
Ecology.
Responsible business.
Fairer pay.
Wanting a meritocracy....if someone had the ability they should rise and take their place.
Free expression.
Freedom of thought and belief.

So what have we now?
The Jim Hensons...if not dead...are coralled in to Hollywood and big money.
David Gilmour who wrote Money...Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon...yup he actually did give away his London house to a homeless charity and went to live on a houseboat. Now he lives in a big estate next to some friends of ours.
Google "Do no evil" is now part of the megabillions world of control.
Bill and Melissa Gates retire and wish to distribute billions of profit via vaccines, but reports are coming in about the extra additions to the vaccines.
Council On Foreign relations seems to be more about splitting the world into opposing tensions
The religion behind the United Nations is Lucis Trust, which used to be called Lucifer trust before people got scared.
Israel.
Right here on Facebook are Support Israel groups.
But St Paul was clear about an Israel without Jesus. He called them children of Hagar. Bond slaves. NOT BORN FROM THE JERUSALEM ABOVE.
The German group supporting Israel that I have been asked to join obviously looks really great. After all wasn't it Germany who housed the concentration camps of extermination? Someone in the group just pasted that Mystery Babylon is Mecca.

Do you know? I doubt that. I think Mystery Babylon could well turn out to be Jerusalem. She is at present a locked door with Arabs holding key parts. But scriptures in the Bible are flooded with phrases which indicate Antichrist wants to mimicJesus Christ, who was allowed a full earthly ministry of 3 and a half years. it would seem he has demanded equal rights and wished to take over the Temple at Jerusalem.
So that's what I mean. Us babyboomers wanted to create the world after our own ideas of a secular bubble....not knowing that we have perfectly been used to walk the enemy into the most perfect fulfilment of scriptures this world has ever known. And that without trying...because we have, like the Russian Communists and Chinese Communists, and Hitler's Germany, denied the rule of God Almighty....so as there is no middle realm....we by default become the glove puppets of the devil.

Reaction to the UN News about Catholic Institutionalisation of Pedophilia

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Hey Chris did you see this?
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-n-report-vatican-policies-allowed-priests-rape-children-n22531
That's the real crazy thing. They start wars, and stop them. They bring in drugs, and then they lock up the druggies and those who sell them and so on. What a farce.

CHRIS:I couldn't believe it either. Facebook friend, I wouldn't believe a lot of online stuff now , but for two things.

1. I know me.
2. God speaks to me and I find it on the net afterwards.

1. Can you imagine? After 12 years a Christian (ish...but not actually born again) I became an atheist at 12. Then properly born again and filled with the Spirit at 13 in 1972 in a Holy Spirit wave that hit our country and much of the West. By the 80s I was leading in worship and a published songwriter of Christian songs. Yet right in the middle of that I seemed to be getting worse not better. And that was when I experienced Romans 7 as an experience not a doctrine. i HAD to find an answer. So now I am not impressed by charismatic things, because I know what's going on beneath the surface.
My first pastor was in an adulterous affair with someone in his church.
In the 90s Kevin Prosch was in an adulterous affair while touring worship. In the early 80s Bob Dylan was in regular sex with his singers while touring Slow Train Coming. Todd Bentley in the middle of Florida was in adultery with one of his staff.
Mark Stibbe who you can read about in the index on my blog....and who was bringing great revelation about the Fatherhood of God and was also a great intellectual in the Church as well as prophet...something that is very rare, especially in the UK...
well, his ministry folded 2 Septembers ago because he was in adultery...

So you see the middle realm on its own...of 1 John 2..."young men stage" is not quite as grown up in God as it tries to look....and we have to be broken at the Cross...and basically give up...so God can do His thing. It's almost a second conversion, but it is the entrance into the third level.
Adultery isn't the entrance.....just the total realisation of our inability. Remember during Abraham's secondllevel....and he was acting WITH HIS WIFE's knowledge...so much more honourably....well he sired a son by Hagar....but he reached rockbottom at an old age, when neither Sarah nor he could ever fulfil God's promise....so in despair at his ability....God steps in and says...AHA but you SHALL HAVE your own son !!! Sarah just laughed to herself.
And that is how the Christian life is too.There is NO WAY on God's earth that we can DO Christianity. At which point like in Psalm 85....God steps in and says...Truth will spring up from the ground!!!! Wow, where did that suddenly come from? Loving kindness and Truth have met together....
This is the point where we realise Christ didn't just come to forgive us....He came to LIVE OUR LIFE from inside.
2. I already knew some of the worldwide shenanigans behind the scenes when my pastor told us in 1972 that Prime Minister Ted Heath was lying about the European Common Market...then Barry Smith who is on Youtube explained much more in the 90s...but a lot of the latest information has been God speaking it to me first while tuning pianos, then (....and i'm not kidding)..just days later the proof will turn up on the internet. The most staggering last thing was actually a reminder. I remembered something from 1977 which was incredibly vague about that castle where they sacrifice babies daily in Europe. Then lo and behold 3 days later I am reading an internet link confirming its reality. The Belgian Castle I told you of.All this information has come at a time when God has been speaking about the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. So you see the SAME TREE MUST DO BOTH because it is run by Lucifer.
This is the TREE of GOOD the charismatic realm knows nothing about. They in their naivety defer to the TREE OF GOOD all the time, which is why they are allowed to sit quietly on the high streets and none of the tussles that the early church experienced happen in the West. They don't threaten the TREE of GOOD at all. In fact Rick Joyner has gone further and JOINED the TREE of GOOD.
So the drug enforcement agencies at one end must be the same organisations who also launder drugs at the other...because MANKIND cannot walk in truth without Christ.
The Police at one end enforce the Law, then in Freemasonry at the other end they let off the worst criminals, including some of the UK Peers.

Christ Living As Us by Sylvia Pearce

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Christ Living As Us

Sylvia Pearce

…”Behold as in a glass the glory of the Lord are changed from glory to glory even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
(II Corinthians 3:18)

Does this phrase, “Christ as us” sound like an elite club with a mantra in which we constantly chant “It is Christ, as us”, as some would say? Or, is this simply the Christian’s “obedience of faith” where by we agree with God’s Word and leap into His precious promises and inherit what is rightfully our as sons of God? Which one is it? Each person has to decide for himself. To the skeptic it seems like arrogant pride for anyone to proclaim such a rash statement; to the self-righteous it seems like an excuse to sin flagrantly; but to the weary and desperate ones who have tried with all their hearts yet failed to live the Christian life, it is fresh air.

We have finally inhaled the truth that has set us free from the treadmill of living our own lives. “Christ living as us.” How can that be?

Christians know the scripture that says, “To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you the hope of glory” but Christ, as you??? Where is that in the bible? That is a fair question to ask, therefore, I intend to jump in and answer it.

Let me start by quoting some familiar verses. Before the Apostle Paul was saved he was on the road to Damascus when a blinding light from heaven shone down on him, and throwing him off his horse. He heard the voice of Jesus saying to him, “Saul, Saul why persecute thou me?” Why did Jesus say that Saul was persecuting him? Wasn’t he persecuting the church? Yet Jesus identified Himself as us, that is His body. Jesus didn’t just say it one time, He was constantly saying it. In Luke 10:16 He said, “He that hears you hears me; and he that despises you despises me; and he that despises me despises him that sent me;” He said in Matthew 10:40, “He that receives you receives me, and he that receives me receives him that sent me;” He also said in John 13:20, “He that receives whomsoever I send receives me; and he that receives me receives him that sent me;” And when Jesus prophesied of His coming in glory in Matthew 25:35-40 He said, “For I was an hungry, and you gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in: Naked, and you clothed me: I was sick, and you visited me:

I was in prison, and you came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, and fed [thee]? Or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]? Or when saw thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as you have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto ME.”
Let me reiterate what Jesus is saying:
· Whoever persecute the brethren, persecute ME;
· Whoever hears you, hears ME;
· Whoever despises you, despises ME;
· Whoever receives you, receives ME;
· Whoever takes in strangers, takes in ME;
· Whoever feed you, feeds ME;
· Whoever gives you drink, gives it to ME;
· Whoever clothes you, clothes ME;
· Whoever was sick, nurses ME;
· Whoever visits you in prison, visits ME in prison.

Is it presumptuous thinking, or simple faith that causes us to believe Jesus when He declared such radical identity statements about us, the redeemed? For me, it was simple faith.

How can I not believe it when again and again Jesus identifies Himself as me. Some verses that really clinched it for me are in Ephesians chapter 1 verse 20-23, it says “…..He raised Him from the dead and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places...And has put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him, that fills all in all.” Do we really see what this is saying? We, the body, are the fullness of Christ. I knew that He was our fullness, but this is actually saying that we, the body, are His fullness. Wow, that is too big to comprehend. Yet, how can a body not be its head, and how can a head not be its body? This scripture is saying that we, the body complete Christ! Stands to reason, a body can’t be complete without a head and a head can’t be complete without a body. It seems simple when you think of it like that.

Lets think about this for a minute….We had Satan (Eph. 2:1-3) living in us, and he was living his life out as us in our unsaved days. Of course we were all blinded to it, yet it was the human me who had to repent for my sins. Why did I have to repent for my sins when it was really Satan producing the sins as me? It was because I was yielding myself as an instrument of sin while all along it was Satan manifesting his sin nature through me as if it were me.

Even as a Christian, Paul says in Romans 7:17 that when he sins, it is not him doing the sinning, but sin/Satan dwelling in his bodily members. So, it is either Satan in our unsaved days living as us, and now in our saved days it is Christ living as us,[1] but we have never been a just me living as me.

How can we believe that Christ lives as us, when we see things that don’t look like Christ as us? Yet focusing on our behavior makes us crazy and certainly leads us away from believing what Christ says about us. Heb. 12:2 says “Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith.” Looking “unto” means to look away from something, and “looking unto” must mean to keep our inner eye on Christ and not on the circumstances, the appearances or on our behavior. Then, you might ask, doesn’t that justify our bad behavior? No earnest Christian wants to justify his bad behavior, we just want to be changed into the image of Christ and not do the bad behavior. The way not to sin is certainly not by trying hard not to sin, that doesn’t ever work. Then how can it be? Romans 8:29 says that “we are predestined to be conformed into the image of His Son”. How?? It is simply by beholding your reflection in a mirror, although, it has to be the right image in the mirror.
THE MIRRORING PROCESS
This painting by Caravaggio called “Narcissus” was painted in 1599. It depicts "narcissism" which is derived from a Greek myth. Narcissus was a handsome Greek youth who rejected the desperate advances of a nymph. As punishment, he was doomed to gaze at himself in a pool of water, and eventually he fell in love with his own reflection. Today’s psychologists have used his name to coin the term, “Narcissistic personality disorder.”
However this infatuation with oneself is termed, it is basically an extreme form of being self-absorbed. The Greek lad was so enamored with his own reflection that he, as the story goes, was turned into a flower, which today bears his name. This myth, like most, is pretty wearied, yet ironically the bible says that either Spirit transformation or discouragement and defeat depends entirely on how we image ourselves in a mirror.
Let us see what the Apostle James and the Apostle Paul both say about looking into the mirror. “If any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass; For he beholds himself, and goes his way, and straightway forgets what manner of man he was. But whoso looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the word, this man shall be blessed in his deed” (James 1:23-25). And also here is what Paul says in II Corinthians 3:18, “We all with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
Both James and Paul say that if we look into our own personal identity mirror and see just ourselves, like Narcissus, we will either have false hope in ourselves, or be discouraged and walk away because we have forgotten who we really are. But if we look into our own personal identity mirror and see Christ, who is the perfect principal of liberation, or behold, as Paul says, the glory of the Lord, then we will be transformed from glory to glory.
James says that if we want to be doers of the word we have to simply “look” into a mirror and see Christ as our perfect liberation and remain therein. While Paul says if we want to be transformed into the image of Christ, we have to be a “beholder” of the Lord’s glory in the looking glass. “Looking” and “beholding” is simple faith, however regrettably most stumble over the simplicity of it all.
I am reminded of how God dealt with the complaining children of Israel in Numbers 21:5-9. He sent fiery serpents among the people and many died. They cried out for help from Moses. Moses went to God for a solution. The Lord said to Moses, “Make you a fiery (brazen) serpent, and set it upon a pole; and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looks upon it, shall live.” Of course the serpent represented Satan who was judged on the Cross (John 3:14; John 12:31). So, all the Israelites had to do was look and live, but some rebelliously would not look and died needlessly.
So it seems to me what these two Apostles are saying is that you have to behold Christ “face to face” in the mirror. Although, if you instead see just your own face, you will walk away defeated and unprofitable. But if you look into your mirror and not see yourself as just flesh, but instead by faith see Christ as you then you will see Christ “face to face.”
Paul also said in I Corinthians 13, the love chapter, that when spiritual adulthood comes we will see Christ “face to face.” Until then we will see in part and know in part, but when we see Christ “face to face” we will know even as we are known. The Lord already knows who we really are, but it is never good enough for God to know it, and we not know it (I Cor. 13:11-12). And we won’t know it until we see Christ in our mirror “face to face.” It is by a declaration of faith that we are transformed. Christ reveals Himself as the “inner man” who presses His glorious face out through our outer face of clay thereby actually living day by day, as us.
It is then that we walk as He walks, talks as He talks, live as He lives. I John 2: 6 says, “He that says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked.” And I John 4:17 says, “Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because AS He is, so ARE we in this world.” The only way to be as Him in this world is for Christ, to manifest Himself as us.
There it is, we were an instrument of sin as Satan manifested his sins through us as if it were us, and now through the Cross we are joined to Christ and He is manifesting His righteous nature through us, as if it were us, when all along it is really He the Head as us, the body. Where else is Christ going to manifest Himself, if He lives in us? Can’t it only be as me and you! The scripture in Eph. 5:30 reveals a great mystery: “We are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones.” Sounds like “as us” to me!

What About All My Doubts?
You might ask yourself, if I can’t believe these biblical evidences then what is the alternative? Isn’t it, Christ and a separate performing me? If that is true, then wouldn’t we be slipping back to works again? It is either He as me, or a performing me as me.

I believe that we need a “re-defined I,” that is, Christ/I (the real I is Christ expressing Himself as the human me). If we think that we are “JUST US,” then we are still under the delusion of an Independent-Self; and where there is an independent-self there is self effort; and where there is self-effort there is law; and where there is law there is sin, for “the strength of sin is the law” (I Cor. 15:56b).

If we still believe the lie of independent-self the outer law will shout at us, and if we respond to the shouts of the law, we are acting as if we have a life of our own with the human power to fulfill it. Functioning from the lie of independent-self is the root of all sin which gives Satan power over you[2]. Why would we respond to the outer law when we know that we have Christ who fulfills the law perfectly in us? Faith is simply recognizing that fact which activates the Holy Spirit’s power in us.

My good friend, Sharon Roy commented saying that she couldn’t take a leap of faith and say that it was Christ living as her, because she didn’t yet know that she was “dead”. She was still identifying herself as an independent self, instead of seeing herself as a unified dependent-self. She falsely thought that she was her temptations, fears, and insecurities. She didn’t know that it was Satan manifesting fear in her bodily members. Once she discovered that it was Satan and not her, then she could take a leap of faith and proclaim that Christ lives as Sharon, and stand on it when she was tempted otherwise. Sharon knows it today, and counsels and teaches it to others. God has to make us pretty helpless before we can know that we are “dead” and Christ is our life (Col. 3:3-4).

So which will it be? “Christ as you,” or “you as you”? I’m glad you chose “Christ as you,[3] because it is impossible for you to be “you as you.” There never has been an independent self in the whole universe except for God Himself, that is. All created forms are dependent beings, depending on the One who is all powerful, all knowing, and all sufficient. You know that the human you isn’t God, so doesn’t it stand to reason for you to be a surrendered dependent-self joined to Christ who lives His life as you?

You have never been a “YOU AS YOU”! Even the Apostle Paul and Bob Dylan, the singer/song writer, are singing the same song. Bob sings, “Gotta Serve Somebody,” and Paul writes, “You were slaves to sin,” and now “you are slaves to righteousness” (Romans 6:17-18). You have always been a slave to somebody, and never been free to be “just you.”

Why would we want the defeat of a powerless sinful false self when we can have the power and the wisdom of the resurrected Christ being our life? Could it be that we don’t want to lose ourselves, that is, THE ONLY SELF WE HAVE EVER KNOWN? Yet didn’t Jesus say that unless you lose yourself, you can’t find your life (Matt. 16:25)? Is it fear? Does it take you out of your comfort zone? Do you wonder what will keep you from being your own New Age guru? The New Age teaches that we can trust ourselves…Christ is not telling you to have confidence in yourself (II Cor. 3:8). He is bidding you to trust Him as you. Maybe you think that since you are “just you” then you can keep yourself? Don’t you know that left to yourselves we will commit any sin,[4] but we are not left to ourselves, are we? We are left to the mighty keeping power of “Christ who is our life” (Col. 3:4). Isn’t He big enough?

Maybe you are thinking that this “Christ as you” revelation violates who God is to you. Maybe you think…“I have a personal relationship with the Lord and I can’t give that up…” Or, maybe this kind of, “Christ as me” thinking, makes you think that there is no transcendent Lord to pray to. These honest apprehensions are pretty common when we don’t yet understand our union with Christ.

Let us take our answers from our Lord who was the only union man who qualifies as our true prototype… Think about this---Jesus knew His union with His Father and He didn’t give up knowing that His Father was transcendent; or did He give up his prayer life (see John 17); nor did He give up His personal relationship with His Father. So, we don’t give up our relationship with Christ, how absurd, although, we do give up the childish idea that we are His servants when as mature sons, He calls us His friends (John 15:15). Therefore what we do gain is a greater, fuller, grander, yet mature relationship with Him. Who wouldn’t want that?

Knowing that Christ is joined to you, forming the new you, is the basis of the gospel (Gal. 2:20; Rom. 6:4-11; II Cor. 5:21). Jesus came to die as you, so that you can be joined to Him and He might live His life by you, through you, and as you.

Maybe you think it sounds like the New Age error that says “the human is God”. The Pharisee’s thought that Jesus was saying that too (John 10:33). Jesus never said that He the Son was the Father, however He did proclaim that “the Father and I are one” (John 10:19), and “if you have seen me, you have seen the Father” (John 14:9). He functions by faith the very same way that we function. Jesus proclaimed that, “Of my human self I can do nothing” (John 5:19 & 30), and so do we because we know that it is really Christ living in us, and as us. Christ is the power, He is the peace, He is the wisdom, He is the life, He is the courage, He is the patience, He is even our very faith (Gal. 5:22; Gal. 2:20b).

Responding Faith
How does that work? We put our faith in Him and He comes back and does the faith-ing through us. You might say to yourself, “I believe, but help thou my unbelief.” Then I recommend that you tell the Lord, I can’t be willing, but “I am willing to be made willing.”[5] The Lord will take you up on that.

Why can’t we agree with Him and identify ourselves as forms of Him? Do you think that the bible is saying that you become Christ? No, it is not saying that. The body can’t say that it becomes the head and neither does the head become the body; however the head can say that it expresses itself as the body, and the body can respond by faith and agree.

Is it unbelief that keeps us Christians from identifying ourselves as a form of Christ? I hope not, because it was unbelief that stopped the Israelites from entering into the promise land, and it could be the same deadly unbelief that causes us not to inherit the precious promises given freely to us by our Lord.

This life is meant to be easy. Like my good friend Brian Coatney says, “it is excruciating at times, but it is easy to walk in the Spirit.” But you might think, “I am full of doubts”…Good, because faith is built on doubt. Plenty of good doubt and wavering apprehensions are usually the prelude to responding faith.

Think about it, believing the gospel in the first place was a leap of faith. I bet you wondered how you could live up to being a good Christian when you first heard the gospel? And maybe people mocked you saying that you were now “Holier than Thou.” I’m sure all these misconceptions crossed their and your mind. Yet your spirit cried out to God and He met you. You had to leave all the wonderings and reasoning behind and simply believed God. By faith you took Christ and He took you and saved you.

Knowing Christ as you is another huge leap of faith. You can’t prove it, you can’t reason it all out, and you can’t fully understand how it could be, yet deep cries out to deep and faith calls you into the unknown. You don’t live any longer; it is Christ living as you! “I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ lives in me and the life I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the Son of God who loves me and gave Himself for me” (Galatians 2:20).

Behold Him in your mirror, say it, drink it, and eat Him who is the Truth, and this “Pearl of Great Price,” will set you free.

It is Christ as you, or Christ living as if it were you, if that makes you more comfortable!


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[1] The exception to, Christ living daily “as us”, is when we occasionally slip into sin. Sin is an expression of Satan and not Christ. As we confess it, the blood quickly cleanses us from sin and we continue on the road of faith believing that Christ lives as us.
[2] Read my booklet “There is No Such Thing as an Independent-self”. This booklet will further explain this liberating key.

[3] Unfortunately, if you chose “you as you,” you chose Satan as you.
[4] “The Keepers Creed”” “I will commit any sin left to myself, but I am not left to myself, by faith, Christ is keeping me ( Brian Coatney and Jude 24).
[5] From “Rees Howells Intercessor”, by Norman Grubb

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