Son Day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as Son Day

  God spoke this into my heart this week....(Facebook status)

"The Lord's Day was never Sunday. It's the devil who mixes Sun worship with Son worship. Like pyramids with In God We trust. And Santa with Christmas.Oh no Chris has gone Seventh Day Adventist! No, Jesus, being Jesus and just above it all, said this week,that although Sabbath truly began on the eightth day, we are not allowed to celebrate it on the 8th day, because it hasn't ended yet!It's just Sabbath, period!"

 

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The Sabbath

by Ole Henrik Skjelstad on Friday, 16 December 2011 at 10:05

The gospels abound with examples of Jesus repeatedly breaking the Sabbath hence provoking the religious elite of His day. Jesus’ extensive ministry on the Sabbath is parables showing that the Sabbath merely is a shadow pointing to Him. He is the Sabbath, and since the Sabbath is Him, that is, His own life, He can in freedom do whatever pleases Him in regards to it. And by so doing His actions testify to the goodness of the Father flying in the face of human traditions built on the letter and not the Spirit.

Jesus did many of His healing miracles on the Sabbath. They prefigure how He as the Sabbath would heal and restore mankind by His death and resurrection. Every healing success demonstrating the efficacy of the cross. By one of the many wonders of the Spirit the Sabbath comes alive in Christ so that we relax into a person and not a specific day.

Another pertinent question in this context is why the Jews performed circumcision on the Sabbath. This tradition plainly foreshadows that in Jesus the old man is cut off. Circumcision also denotes our nothingness and impotence, that is, without Him we can do nothing. It is at this juncture we face a two way temptation. “A temptation "up," to see "this thing" as God and in God and at work for Divine purposes out of our inner oneness; or a temptation "down" in which our sight is locked into the temporal appearance as something in itself and "we" as "something in our selves" (separation) responding to this "thing" as if it is outside God, along with us outside God, too. Alone” (Fred Pruitt).

It was Sabbath when Jesus formed clay and put on the blind man's eyes so that He became seeing. Clay in this context equals union because it was His saliva mixed with dust (we are made from dust) that constituted the mixture. The dust and the saliva become one. He in us and we in Him. Both components giving definition to the clay. It is impossible to know where dust begins and saliva leaves off. The amazing thing is that it is the dust we see, but in a new transformed version in oneness. The dust has become the Sabbath in which it rests from its own works.

It is worth noting that it is Jesus who molds and fashions the clay so that it becomes a unique expression of Christ. We are not responsible to form ourselves. We are safe in His loving hands to become exactly what we are meant to be according to His Divine purposes perfectly manifesting the Father in all things. The dust hasn’t lost anything when it is mixed with Christ. It doesn’t either appear as merely an improved version of itself. No, it has become something new, something never seen before.

"AT THAT particular time Jesus went through the fields of standing grain on the Sabbath; and His disciples were hungry, and they began to pick off the spikes of grain and to eat." The plain truth is that Jesus is our food. He is the One who satisfies our hunger. He comes and calls us not in accordance with human traditions and assumptions, but most often contrary to reason and the natural mind. Those paths He takes us along have to contradict appearances and circumstances or else faith would be void and of no meaning.

“And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath” (Mark 2:27). It can't be said much clearer than this. God lives wholly for his creation and gives himself unrestricted to it so that it in all things can be restored to its original paradisaical state. He is like the sun which rays of light and warmth can only bless and which gives itself wholly to those it shines upon.

It was Friday when Jesus took His last breath. It was Sunday when the Spirit breathed His life into Him again. But death reigned the entire Sabbath. The shadow died so that the substance by faith could enter into human consciousnesses.

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    Craig Castleman Tremendous insights, truth and parallels conveyed here so beautifully Ole, thanks so much. Consequently, I am a little freer for having read it! Blessings.

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    Ole Henrik Skjelstad Wow! Thank you dear friend! You are a perpetual source of encouragement. Blessings!

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    Vicki Leventhal-Highet Frydrych

    Yes! On the first sabbath the Lord completed all His work which He had done (Gen 2). The sabbath - the rest that remains (Heb 4) - is for each believer in Christ today. It is the time where the work He did in us becomes complete - it is finished (Jn 19) - and we get to rest in Him, who is also at rest. God looks at the heart (1 Sam 16) and when we accept the cross - our sin paid for AND - us, the sinner killed receiving His life within us (Gal 2, Rom 6) - the life we live by - we are finished.

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    Craig Castleman ‎'we are finished'. Yes, love it!

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    Ole Henrik Skjelstad Thanks Vicki! You perfectly add to the note!

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    Ole Henrik Skjelstad I read Ez 37 yesterday, and it became very clear to me how finished we were until God made us alive again.

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    Craig Castleman I wish I had known the glorious truth that 'I was finished' years ago, would have saved me (and some other folks, ha) lots of trouble! ha.

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    Ole Henrik Skjelstad Sure thing, but it seems like all of us need a period of conditioning in the wilderness, taken there by the Spirit - we have all been stuck in Romans 7 until we surrendered.

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    Craig Castleman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrrIO_rXNO8

    

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    Craig Castleman God 'Rest' Ye Merry Gentlemen...Sabbath!

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    Elaine Fitzpatrick Sneed

    ‎"AT THAT particular time Jesus went through the fields of standing grain on the Sabbath; and His disciples were hungry, and they began to pick off the spikes of grain and to eat." The plain truth is that Jesus is our food. He is the One who satisfies our hunger. He comes and calls us not in accordance with human traditions and assumptions, but most often contrary to reason and the natural mind. Those paths He takes us along have to contradict appearances and circumstances or else faith would be void and of no meaning.
    " love this Ole...so true...it has to be different to us not the copying of someone else.

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    Craig Castleman Yes, Elaine, Jesus is our very food for 'He would feed us with the finest of the Wheat' (Ps 81:16 & 147:14)

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    Ole Henrik Skjelstad I love your conclusion, Elaine! Thanks!

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    Elaine Fitzpatrick Sneed I wrote a short about the need to make bread for yourself not instead of buying from a bakery but in the intimacy of it as a metaphor for relationship with my Jesus. You have to try Him for yourself! Taste and see.....you won't regret.

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    Elaine Fitzpatrick Sneed I know you already have...just carrying on the metaphor.... =)

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    Jean Rittenberg You are truly blessed dear brother such insight THANKS!!!!

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    Jamie Fields Right on Bro!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Cathy Rheeder Oh how i love the bread of life! Thanx ole for always giving us the bread of life.mmmmm i love it.

The Negative Spiritual Power of Mixture: Part Three - Psalm 91 and the opposite

In considering how we operate in mixtures, let's begin by laying a positive foundation in the Psalm 91. This is the first video in a series by David Aldous. Psalm 91 is third level living. 1 John 2 says we begin as children, knowing our sins are forgiven, we are then extended as "young men" (neither male nor female in the spirit) in exercising faith and the spiritual gifts, then it seems like things shut down as was mentioned in the previous post talking about the pupae stage before emerging as butterflies. The Father level is where we KNOW Him who is from the beginning. Psalm 91 becomes a place we "live out of".

Identity and Perception by Rich Novek

Posted: November 14, 2011 in Uncategorized

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All of Life is narrowed down to just two things…IDENTITY AND PERCEPTION!
WHO we are and HOW we see!
The message of the Cross is meant to cut through all of the vanity (things that hold no eternal value) of life and bring these two to the forefront!  Our identity is NOT in what we do, if it is, then what kind of foundation is that to build on?
And it sure isn’t in how most today view God!  The trials and testing’s we try so hard to avoid are necessary if we are ever going to see the hidden mystery revealed!  We have a natural tendency to see and believe life through eyes of separation and division!
The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be SINGLE, thy whole body shall be full of light.  But if thine eye be EVIL (double), thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! (Mathew 6:22-23)
The daily Cross causes the things that really matter in life to appear!  To be revealed!
And unless we SEE God Only God Now, we will never KNOW God Only God Now!
“I perceive that you have been with Jesus!”
“Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marveled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.” (Acts 4:13)
For those who know WHO they are IN Christ it goes even deeper!  “I perceive that Jesus lives IN you!”
And our perception of our being IN Christ is the only basis of our true identity, who He is and who we are IN Him!

Evil Redefined! by Rich Novek

Posted: November 22, 2011 in Uncategorized 1 

There is a mixed counterfeit message that says we are saved by Grace alone, but kept by Grace AND… It’s what Paul calls the Different Gospel! 

The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be SINGLE, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be EVIL, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! No man can serve TWO masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God AND… In this case it’s God AND mammon.(Mathew 6:22-24) 

Wikepedia defines mammon in the following way: During the Middle Ages, Mammon was commonly personified as the demon of avarice, richness and injustice. 

These are the things you are to teach and insist on. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money (Mammon) is a root of all kinds of EVIL. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many grief’s. (I Timothy 6:2-10) 

But this passage in Mathew is not so much about who or what it is we are serving in addition to Christ, as it is about our seeing more than God in every situation and circumstance of life. Jesus used mammon in this example because it’s one of the major strongholds of humanity. 

Take another look at the story of the Rich Young Ruler! (Luke 18:18-30) No man can serve two masters! As far as Jesus is concerned the word TWO here is synonymous with the word EVIL! Want proof? Then why doesn’t He say “if your eye is “double” in Mathew 6:22. He instead uses the word “evil!.” So what is it He is really saying here? He is saying the human being was specifically designed by God to see as He sees, with a “Single Eye” of faith.A Single Eye towards Christ alone as our life. 

When we see more than God in any situation, we see in division, and as we know, a house (we are that house) divided against itself cannot stand! The “not-so-good-news” of the counterfeit message which Paul speaks of, comes to us saying, YES, you can continue to serve God AND, just keep it up, it’s OK! And as we do we find what Paul found, that this other Jesus comes complete with another Spirit, all the while proclaiming a Different Gospel. (II Corinthians 11:4) A Different Gospel that looks and sounds surprisingly like the REAL Gospel of Grace alone IN Christ alone! But with a twist! This other Spirit doesn’t lead us into all Truth, but a false version of truth! And when we believe the lie long enough, it becomes truth to us! Which is why it’s so hard to receive the message of TRUTH, once we are finally confronted with it! For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.(II Corinthians 11:4) 

The Different Gospel, being the popular held belief of a mixed message of Grace plus law, a false message of a God who lives separated from His body and demands we do something for Him in order to receive something from Him! If I say, “Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me,” even the darkness will not be dark to you; the night will shine like the day, for…Darkness is as Light to you. Did you see it! No distinction with God between light and darkness! Remember what Jesus said in Mathew, if the light that is in you is darkness, than how great is that darkness? That is the exact opposite of HOW He sees! He sees darkness and calls it Light! He sees ONLY God IN all things! Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s One and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were EVIL! (John 3:18-19)

This is not talking about less than perfect “Christian” behavior. In fact, if we continue with the thought that Evil is defined by seeing more than God than this makes perfect sense. Light has come into the world, blazing Light! So radiant is the Light that there is no shadow or turning! But men, who love something other than the Light, namely darkness, are defined here as having Evil deeds! These Evil deeds can only be one thing if this passage is going to make sense. The exact same thing Jesus was saying in Mathew 6! No one can serve TWO…masters. But we see people serving more than two masters every day, don’t we? Then what does He mean? Keep reading, because a few words later He is going to say something about darkness, do you see it? 

If that Light IN you is darkness, than how great is that darkness! (Mathew 6:24) 

Here is the Amplified version of the same verse! But if your eye is unsound, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the very light IN you [your conscience] is darkened, how dense is that darkness! (Mathew 6:24)  

This verse defines Evil the way Jesus meant it to be defined, not according to our behavior, but something that goes much deeper! Our Identity! We are Light, but if we believe the darkness (sin consciousness)is in reality who we are, then we now have no other choice than to see ourselves as a mixture of Light and dark (good and evil) and the real definition of Evil! At the heart of Jesus is the desire for a unified body, everyone having all things in common with no need! This can only happen when we SEE Christ alone as our Life! And when we believe what He and others throughout scripture say about true Evil! Evil entered into existence when humanity looked for something in addition to God! It is no different today! So when we believe in a divided Christ and a separated Gospel, it just reinforces what happened to us (our spiritual forefathers) in the Garden! In seeing Only God Only Now…we are walking (in the Light) as we were created, seeing God as the author and finisher of everything, as the One who will never leave or forsake us, and the One who desires we see as He sees! 

I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the EVIL (double) one. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; that they may all be One; even as You, Father, are IN Me and I IN You, that they also may be IN us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be One, just as We are One; I IN them and You IN Me, that they may be perfected IN unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me. Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. (John 17:14-24) 

Now we know the truth, and it’s that same truth that sets us free! The truth that God created us IN His image, and when He sees us He sees His Son! He sees only One! By Grace we have been made partakers of this new life IN Christ, and when we see the evil in the world, we no longer define it according to the world’s definition of Evil! Evil is NOW rightly defined as God sees it, which is seeing more than Him in ALL things!

A Recent History of Psalm 24 - Part 8 :Havant Church - The Inside Story

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The video clips below are of myself describing this diagram and how continuous revival works using Havant Church as a present day example of a charismatic church.Without much external input, and certainly not aligning themselves particularly with any identifiable stream, the members set out as we did in Emsworth to seek God for Himself. Whereas other churches deliberately chose professional-style worship, if anything this church pared back to simpler formats of strummed guitars, and non-flamboyant singing. The calling on them was to seek the "hidden" Way and not to follow other's organisational formats and church building techniques. Some time during this procedure, God named the church the Turnaround Church. Without too much to go on other than adopting these internal attitudes, as well as paring back leadership structure some 10 years ago, and like the apostle Peter in the gospels, more by dint of failure than great successes, between them they have managed to stumble on perhaps the singlemost incredible key which I myself have built upon here in this blog. The key is simple, so simple most other churches have missed it:

The Key to Continuous Revival in a church is to simultaneously week in week out drive ever deeper internally, and then rise higher externally in worship at the same time. The internal unlocks the outer, and the outer is the glory framework which pulls other non-believers and believers in.Quite apart from the adventures and intercessions we get up to as individuals.

But the Missing Keys were the Two Goats at the entrance to God's Presence, and the need for a Name Change to complete the corporate "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob " revelation.

The Two Goats Message
How God has revealed Himself corporately in recent history as the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob
The Father has brought us forth in Jesus, bone of His bone,flesh of His flesh.



Extra to the Video message:How our thinking works.

A P.E.T. scan was carried out on a depressed person, then on a person in a positive frame of mind. You can see the results on this post.

Our conscious mind, Button 1,can spin like a computer fixing itself on all the "real" and "supposed" negative information being fed in through our senses and through media,friends and relations, through authority figures....you name it. It is constructed to build "rationales" to ourselves. This in itself is neither positive or negative. It is just what it does. The Bible says "Don't RELY on your insight." It doesn't say DON'T USE IT.

This is the trick clinical psychologists need to know, if they don't already. This section of the mind is like Microsoft Word. It's just where we write the stuff to articulate to ourselves, and to others.

The Operating system , like Windows XP, or Vista , or 7, or a Macintosh programme is hidden below it , well out of sight. This is the fun and games bit, in the sense that it is this bit that God has made for us to learn HOW TO LIVE. It is our "inner seeing". It is also our "faither".

In Susie Golman Cox's post - Faith Greenhouse I we learn that as a youngster she was "grounded" in the belief that God the Father was a good God, and could be relied on by extrapolating up from her own experiences with her Dad.This all went on in her Button No. 2 area.

When I was in Bible House one or two sisters were suffering from sexual abuse from their father. At least one of them was cutting themselves, both their skin, and their hair in self-harming ways.This was during the period that we had most to do with Ed Miller.

Ed and Jorge Pradas led us into praise and worship at a high level, as described in the top picture. When a meeting really takes off, people are conscious of the spiritual relities of who and where they are in Christ.

Seated with, and IN Him in the heavenly places, far above every name that is named.

So from this position of "knowing", the Holy Spirit might direct that the people of God seek Him face down on the floor, or seated or whatever.............the music might dip into background contemplative mode.

but it is during these times that FROM A PLACE OF VICTORY, He will begin to touch the "names that are named" as being above Christ, that are hidden away scrawled on our "inner seeing " walls, described in Ezekiel 10 :8. Tenderly, mostly, sometimes violently in the manner of ripping off a sticking plaster suddenly, then it's all over, He will deal Himself with these scrawlings. Sometimes a leader may midwife this process but only as directed, but mostly, as ED would often say of himself...IT IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS ! (How different from pyramid operators, huh?) In my friend's case Jesus replaced the abuse on her inner walls with the fantastic verses from Psalm 45:

The King's Daughter is all glorious WITHIN, she is transformed from the INSIDE OUT,

see how she's led in beautiful robes before the King!

Ofcourse it wasn't long before I got a song on those verses, which may or may not end up on my double CD.

Button 2 is what we are "seeing","believing", "faithing or reeling in by faith".....positive or negative

Button 3 is THE ACTUAL BUT LITTLE PERCEIVED TRUTH of every born again Christian.

The truth is this, as Andre Rabe and Francois Du Toit minister.......

Long before the first ever molecule, way off before time itself, somewhere in the Eternal NOW

the Father saw us IN CHRIST.

The episode with Adam 1 was for Him a blip in the ocean, for even before Christ fixed the bottom end of the Covenant for us in the Fulness of times in Palestine 2000 years ago, as referred to in psalm 85....righteousness springing up from the ground.....

Long before this materialised and effectively hinged things in practice......

The Father purposed us in Christ. Every family on Earth gains its Name, its Character, from the Father in heaven.

He took the sin spirit of the First Adam down into death, bound up in His Son. His Son became sin for us.

And He left it there , to rot forever in hell.

Today, if we are truly regenerate, born again........if the Father has genuinely worked this work within us,

we are something completely different. A New creation entirely. The old has absolutely absolutely passed away....the new HAS COME. Not is coming.

If it was Is Coming....we'd have to change Dave Bilbrough's song, and he wouldn't like that!!

Our lives are now Hidden,Bound up with,Interleaved with,Interwoven with Christ.

More interwoven than chocolate pieces swirling in a Wall's Viennetta ice cream.

We are NOT two separate schizophrenic beings rattling around like 2 peas in a pea pod at our spirit centre.

But the rest of our being has to catch up with the news. So button 3 may now be a reality for you, but either through ignorance or downright arrogance, your other two buttons may have not caught up with the fact.

Abraham was a type of this SPLIT reality. His Spirit calling. the Promise of a son, was all connected with his wife. So you'd have thought he'd have had the sense to keep HIS CONFESSION clean with regard to his wife.

NOT A BIT OF IT! He "sold" her down the drain twice, out of fear what rulers might do to him....oh and perhaps them, not sure....so he told a half truth....she is my sister.

If we do not know the truth of who we now are, by default we too will be selling Christ down the drain routinely.

If we DO KNOW THE TRUTH....I can safely bet, like Abraham, most of us still say the half truth to save face.

Yes I'm a Christian. I am Christ-like! Or maybe with more humility. I am Christlike sometimes!.What does this all mean ? Nothing really. Well apart from Iraq. But in a free country those words just mean you have chosen with your mind to believe the intellectual tenets of the religion which happens to be Christianity!

But we don't, for the sake of our skin, say

I am Christ in My form....I have died and my life is hidden with Christ in God. Ole Henrik's post





Bowls of Mixed Wine and The Now God by Rich Novek

Bowls of "MIXED" Wine
Friday, 30 July 2010 at 22:51Facebook
“Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has strife? Who has complaints? Who has needless bruises? Who has bloodshot eyes? Those who linger over wine, who go to sample BOWLS OF MIXED WINE.” (Proverbs 23:29-30)

Traditional church teaching has in the past led me to believe this passage is only about one thing, the effects of earthly drunkenness. And I am not here to dispute that fact. In fact I have experienced this firsthand, and countless times, and in more than one season in my life, and I am here to tell anybody who has any doubts, the above laundry list of “symptoms” is exactly what you get when you experience earthly intoxication.

So with that being said, the purpose of this blog is to move out of elementary school INTO the DEEPEST RECESSES of God’s HEART and MIND! Over the years, God has opened my eyes to the parallels involved in our Life in Him. Meaning, if there is something happening in this kingdom of appearances, than there is a parrallel happening in the Kingdom of His Dear Son!

Is it possible that in this stage of maturity the focus in this passage goes beyond just looking at the effects of earthly drunkenness? Hopefully at this level we are no longer focusing on Christian behavior, but have in fact moved beyond that. We have, haven’t we? Is it possible this passage is not only about the effects of drunkenness, but also about something we have never considered? What if the whole focus in this passage is really about the sampling of “Bowls of “MIXED” Wine?”

Who has woe, who has sorrow, who has strife? This to me sounds like a lot of believers who, not knowing or understanding their ordained place of REST, (Hebrews 3:7-4:11) are still TRYING to…“DO”……“FOR”….God! Sincere brothers and sisters "IN" Christ who still see their life as being their own, and their purpose as working FOR God! Jesus said “I only do what I see my Father doing!” (John 5:19) Who was the ONE doing, more importantly WHO IS the ONE doing "IN" CHRIST? My Bible says He (The Spirit) is the ONE who is at work, both WILLING and DOING of His GOOD pleasure! (Philippians 2:13)

The lie of all lies is that we live a separated existence apart from God! It is the ORIGINAL LIE found in Genesis! Look it up! The serpent said……… “IF you DO, you WILL become…………like God!” Instead of becoming God, what humanity got was the ability, like God to SEE both good and evil! We got a departure from the PURE UNADULTERATED WINE, which is “SEEING GOD ONLY” in exchange for a "settling for" of the hellish BOWLS OF MIXED WINE! The same Mixed Bowls which also cause us to experience the above laundry list of symptoms! And we get this because we still believe and cling to the ORIGINAL LIE! And not only have we believed it, but we have also adopted it, and in adopting it we have made a graven image out of it! And today in most churches we serve and worship it, this philosophy of a life apart from Him, and we still call IT God!

Is it any wonder why the prophet proclaimed “they have forsaken the fountain of LIVING WATER, and made for themselves cisterns that hold no water!

Has a nation ever changed its gods?
(Yet they are not gods at all.)
But my people have exchanged their Glory
for worthless idols.

Be appalled at this, O heavens,
and shudder with great horror,”
declares the LORD.

”My people have committed two sins:
They have forsaken me,
the FOUNTAIN OF LIVING WATER,
and have dug (by their own strength, in their “doing” FOR GOD) THEIR OWN CISTERNS,
broken cisterns that cannot hold water. (Jeremiah 2:11-13)

They may not hold the FOUNTAIN OF LIVING WATER, which by the way is the same as the LIVING WATER which flows into us and through us by His grace. But they do hold something. In fact they hold the BOWLS OF “MIXED” WINE! They hold to a false belief that we are here to work FOR God! They hold to a conditional performance based religion that is as far removed from who God TRULY IS…….. as East is from West!

Come on church, it is time to stop TRYING to be good (why callest me thou good?) and stop trying to be godly, and stop trying to be “LIKE” CHRIST!" There is ONLY ONE who can be LIKE CHRIST, just as there is only ONE who can live the Christian Life, and that is Christ Himself!

I am here by His doing (as are you) to proclaim ONLY ONE message, GOD ONLY, GOD NOW! I am here (rather Christ “IN” Me is here) to open the eyes of the blind, and lead them to the God who loves with no strings attached! I am here to proclaim THE ETERNAL SABBATH DAY OF REST FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD………. what Paul describes as "the mystery kept hidden from ages and past generations" (Col 1:26), and Moses called "the manna that neither we or our fathers (in the faith) have known" (Deut 8:16)………….which is CHRIST “IN” YOU!

“IN” HIM…… there is No MIXTURE OF ANY KIND, there is no separation, deviation, division, denomination, or condemnation! He is our ONLY HOPE OF GLORY! GOD ONLY

The Now God
6th August 2010 at 18:13 Facebook
“Dear brothers and sisters, when troubles come your way, consider it an opportunity for great joy.” (James 1:2, New Living Translation)

We have had some pretty intense stuff going on lately, so my wife Linda and I set aside some one-on-one time with the Lord the other day. I started out simply praising and thanking Him, and then I said “Lord, I know we don’t serve a “God up there” I also know there is no “God of the past!” And I will never find Him when I turn to either the right or to the left! “I THANK YOU... THE “NOW” GOD... IS THE ONLY GOD WE SERVE!”

Then right after that, my wife Linda started praying, and as she was looking up towards the ceiling, she said, “LOOKING UP” is looking for a God who lives in the FUTURE.” What came out of my mouth next took me by surprise! “Then “LOOKING DOWN” must be looking for a God who lives in the PAST, and in order for us to SEE what’s BEHIND us we have to first TURN, EITHER TO THE RIGHT OR THE LEFT!”

Whether you TURN TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE LEFT, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, "This (He) is the way; walk “IN” it (Him)." (Isaiah 30:21)

But Jesus told him, "Anyone who puts a hand to the plow and then LOOKS BACK is NOT FIT for the Kingdom of God." (Luke 9:62 New Living Translation) The whole problem with this; every act of taking that backward glance begins with either a turning to the right or to the left!

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from (the Spirit) above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither SHADOW OF TURNING. (James 1:17)

“Take a bunch of hyssop, dip it into the blood in the basin and put some of the blood on the TOP and on BOTH SIDES of the doorframe. Not one of you shall go out the door of his house until morning. When the LORD goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, HE WILL SEE THE BLOOD ON THE TOP AND SIDES of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and He will not permit the destroyer to enter your house(s) and strike you down.” (Exodus 12:23-24)

If you can grasp what this is about you will see proof positive that OUR God does not operate anywhere else…. but in the HERE and “NOW!”

He is in this present moment, and has forever been “The “NOW” God! His name is I AM, it’s not I WAS, or I WILL BE! (Exodus 3:14) He is called THE EVER PRESENT HELP in time of trouble! (Psalm 46:1) He is the ETERNAL GOD! (Deuteronomy 33:27) He is Not the God who lives in the illusionary boundaries of TIME! There is NO TIME IN HIM! (II Peter 3:8)

As Linda and I were praying, God said to Linda, our looking up is a symbolism of looking for the “God up there”, for the God who is separated from us who lives in the FUTURE!

"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here LOOKING INTO THE SKY? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in THE SAME WAY you have seen him go into heaven." (Acts 1:11)

How have we interpreted this passage in modern times? This SAME JESUS will come back again in the SAME WAY! This Jesus, who only does what He sees His Father doing, will ALWAYS manifest himself in the exact SAME WAY! Since He is the SAME Yesterday, Today, and Forever, and the Author and Finisher of our faith, HE will ALWAYS show up THE SAME WAY, loving us without condition, and without guilt or condemnation! He will ALWAYS welcome us with open arms as His beloved! So let’s move onto maturity and SEE HIM AS HE IS! He will ALWAYS be the SAME, with NO variableness or shadow of turning! He will ALWAYS be blazing Glory, casting no shadow! And because He ALWAYS SEES ONLY THE FATHER IN ALL THINGS, He will NEVER have a reason to turn to right or to the left!

People say a lot of things about Peter, but at least Peter got out of the boat! He fixed His gaze on Christ, and for a moment he experienced “AS HE IS SO ARE WE IN THIS WORLD!” (I John 4:17) But then Peter began to FEEL the wind stirring up the lapping waves, and he TURNED to the right, and then he TURNED to the left, and He started sinking! And then Jesus looked at him with total disgust and let him drown, right? No, Jesus saved him, as HE will ALWAYS save those who call on HIM! There is no shadow of turning “IN” HIM! (Mathew 14:28-31)

The lamb was cut and the blood was poured into a basin at the foot of the doorway. The hyssop was taken from the basin on the threshold (looking down) of the doorway, dipped in the lambs blood and applied to the top of the doorway (looking up) and then both sides (the turning to the right and the left!) of the doorway!

This Passover is not only about the blood that protects from the death angel, as we have been taught, but is also a pointing to of the POWER OF THE BLOOD OF CHRIST (His one time sacrifice for all mankind) which makes this “FIXED” life not only possible, but “NOW” fully expected! This is where we see ONLY GOD, ONLY NOW! The blood has washed away the past and the future, and any inclination we might have for looking to the right or the left! There is no past or future “IN” Him! And if there is no past or future “IN” Him, then why would there be any need for us to turn? Christ is OUR ALL! He is our past, present, and future!

We “NOW” enter in through the entry way by THE NEW AND LIVING WAY! (Hebrews 10:20) The same way that we once believed to be a set of rules, or a philosophy, or traditions of men! The way that had us bound in chains to a past that doesn’t even exist “IN” Him, has “NOW” become the ONLY NEW AND LIVING WAY! And the NEW AND LIVING WAY ONLY EXISTS IN THE “Now” of the NEW AND LIVING "TODAY!" (Hebrews 4:7)

Christ has become our food and drink, the DAILY Manna which we have not known, nor have our fathers! (Deuteronomy 8:3) He is the “Mystery” hidden from ages and past generations. (Colossians 1:26) The lamb’s blood which at one time only covered, is ”NOW” THE BLOOD that thoroughly cleanses! Cleanses from ALL SIN! And by SIN, I don’t mean the individual acts we commit by certain so called UN-Christian behaviors we may exhibit. Behaviors we focus on that cause us to be obsessed with trying to change our UN-Christian Behavior into Christian behavior! So we can TRY to become Christ Like! There is ONLY ONE WHO IS CHRIST LIKE, that is CHRIST Himself! God is not a behaviorist, He is in fact a Love-ist! And we no longer pray to a separated God “up there” or “down the road!” But for some reason, many in the modern day church can’t seem to move past the false belief of a God that exists separate from them! The God “up there”, “down the road”, or the one they have to keep looking to their right or their left to try and find!

The ONLY TRUE SIN FOR THE BELIEVER IS IN SEEING MORE THAN GOD! It’s what James called being double minded, Paul called a wicked unbelieving heart, and Jesus himself called evil!

“Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. It is NOT UP IN heaven, so that you have to ask, "Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" NOR IS IT BEYOND the sea, so that you have to ask, "Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" NO! THE (LIVING) WORD IS VERY NEAR YOU, IT IS “IN” (present tense) YOUR MOUTH AND “IN” (present tense) YOUR HEART SO YOU MAY OBEY IT (HIM)! (Deuteronomy 30:11-14)

I love the quote from Renee Zellweger in the movie, “New in Town!” This lady is driving her to her new house from the airport. Renee is some top executive of a company in Miami, now all of the sudden she is transferred to a small town in Minnesota in the dead of winter! They are in the car when the lady asks, “have you found Jesus?” Her answer and it is classic, “I didn’t know He was missing!”

But it seems He is missing in most places! Ichabod, the Glory has departed is becoming more and more the norm today! (I Samuel 4:21) And God is missing for sure if you still believe for one second the prevailing lie that says we are separated from Him! He is living “IN” us willing and doing of His good pleasure! (Phil 2:13) It pleased the Father to reveal his Son “IN” me. (Galatians 1:16) “IN” Him we live and move and have our being! (Acts 17:28) The separated god IS the god of this world! He is not …… The God who was nailed to the cross………The ONLY TRUE GOD who is also The “NOW” God!

“What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written; "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered." No, in ALL these things we are more than conquerors THROUGH Him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the FUTURE (because there is no future in Him), nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able TO SEPARATE US from the love of God that is “IN” Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 8:31-38)

God saw us, struggling with a divided heart, the same heart today many see as normal Christianity! When the blood was applied to the doorway of our life, God did so to show us the key to victorious living “IN” Him. He purposely placed the blood at the places in our lives we are prone to have our focus. He did this to show us His unconditional love towards us, “IN” us, and through us.

“The Blood Cross”, dipping the blood in the basin at the bottom (our past) of the doorway, reaching up and applying it to the top (our future), and then reaching to the right and to the left and
applying it to that part of us which causes us to keep turning to take that backward glance! The same backward glance that stopped Lot’s wife “dead” in her tracks! Looking backwards always produces some kind of “Spiritual Paralysis!”

When we physically go through those motions, just as I stated, we literally draw out a cross, our personal entry way to Him, which allows us to see ourselves “IN” Him! Do you see it?

“Now”, let’s take the hyssop branch from where we are standing and reach down into the basin, where HIS BLOOD has already been applied to our PAST! Next, let’s dip the hyssop in the blood and reach up, “NOW” applying the blood to our FUTURE! Finally, let’s take the hyssop and reach to the right and the left, applying the blood there, the place where we are in danger of turning to the right or the left. “NOW” there is no longer a need to look to the right or the left, because “IN” HIM there can be no backward glance. All of that stuff in our past, “what was or what might have been!” You know, all of the shoulda’s, woulda’s, and coulda’s of our life! Now all of it permanently washed away by His precious Blood!

The BLOOD that forever washes away the worries of tomorrow, the guilt of yesterday, and the FEAR which causes us to turn and take that deadly backward glance!

The “NOW” God…… IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD!

So God set another time for entering HIS REST, and that time is TODAY. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted:

"Today (“Now”) when you hear His voice, don't harden your hearts." (Hebrews 4:7, New Living Translation)

Warning: For Mature Audiences by Rich Novak (The original on seeing Only God)

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“All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have already attained.” (Phil 3:15-16 NIV)

As far as I am concerned, this is one of the most powerful passages of scripture in the New Testament! Yet, I have never heard so much as one teaching on it. For the past several years I have meditated and pondered on this passage of scripture and its meaning! I believe the Holy Spirit has opened my eyes to the meaning and would like to share the tremendous impact it has had on me, and what I believe God is saying.

First of all, God is speaking through Paul to people who have reached a level of awareness that goes far beyond the status quo of what we consider maturity in modern Christendom. All of us who are MATURE or some versions even use the word PERFECT! Well, we need to be real here and not religious, and recognize that NOT all of us ARE MATURE! In fact, there are many who, though desiring the “meat”, are not able to digest what God is saying. (I Cor 3:2) This is also one of the reasons why I believe there has been so little said about this particular passage in the third chapter of Philippians!

Maturity is defined by God as seeing past division and separation, including the elementary teachings of the church that Paul talks about in Hebrews, and SEEING ONLY GOD in ALL THINGS!

Seeing Only God in ALL things………… is the mature VIEW Paul is talking about! After all, what is there but God? What “some point” in our lives is not God? So in this place of seeing God in ALL as the ALL, who also fills everything in every way, we also see why this teaching is not for everyone! Let me correct myself, it IS for everyone, just not everyone AT THE SAME TIME (point). The Spirit is the ONE who will WORK to illuminate it in us, through the MIND of CHRIST!

For, "Who can know the LORD's thoughts? Who knows enough to teach him?" But we understand these things, for we have the MIND OF CHRIST! (I Cor 2:16 New Living Translation)

“And if on some point you THINK differently.” If we are Seeing Only God, and we recognize He is All there is in every form and expression, than why would we be believe we are doing the THINKING? If you and I have The Mind of Christ, it’s only ONE MIND, HIS! And the only thought He is thinking is the ETERNAL THOUGHT of His Father!

Jesus let’s us know what that ETERNAL THOUGHT is in John 17. “That they may be ONE, even as you and I are ONE!” The ONLY thought the Father has ever had is in reconciling ALL things, including every thought, word, moment person, place, and thing, every past, present, and future to HIMSELF! We have NOW moved into maturity and beyond thinking about what we “need”, to THE ONLY UNIVERSAL NEED THERE IS……..The RECONCILIATION OF ALL THINGS IN HIM!

When Jesus was being baptized, John protested, Jesus said to him this MUST be this way in order to fulfill ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS! He than demonstrated the ministry of reconciliation by having John baptize HIM! When He came up out of the water, the Spirit landed on Him in the form of a dove, symbolizing the SPIRIT (The Worker), who would from that point work in HIM ALL things after the counsel of HIS OWN WILL! (Eph 1:11 NAS)

The first time Jesus spoke publicly:

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed.”

And the SAME Spirit of The Lord is upon US to agree with him that ALL things have been reconciled to God through CHRIST! The ONLY GOOD NEWS is found in SEEING ONLY GOD! The only way the blind can be healed is by SEEING ONLY GOD! The Only way the captive can be set free is by SEEING ONLY GOD! The only way oppression can be gone forever is by SEEING ONLY GOD! SEEING GOD IN EVERY MANIFEST FORM OR EXPRESSION KNOWN TO MAN!

And God is living through US, His BODY, reconciling ALL things to HIMSELF by first allowing us to see “by appearances” all division and separation in every form and expression. In HIS REST, the Spirit is sent out by our Spoken Word to will and to work according to HIS GOOD PLEASURE! We Rest, He Works……….all things after the counsel of His Eternal Will, and ONLY in the Eternal Now! And He does it through those of us who are mature and SEE ONLY HIM in ALL THINGS!

The ONLY MINISTRY, CALLING, MOVEMENT, or LIFE is the ministry of reconciling all things, no matter what or who they are to HIM! Where I used to see fear as something separate from Him, I NOW see fear as HIM......... coming to me for the expressed purpose of my calling it God! Fear, which was seen as separate is now reconciled to God by the Spirit who works in me to will and to DO according to His good pleasure! I used to worry, but NOW worry is the invitation to see it as just another expression of HIM! And instead of seeing fear and worry as separate from Him, I agree with HIM that ALL things, including fear, worry, etc., are reconciled to God, and in doing so remove the dividing wall of hostility! I also "disarm" the power I have given fear, worry, or anything else that has caused me to see these things as separate from Him! I NOW, in HIS REST, SEE everything that crosses my path and beyond, as ONLY God! And the things that I don’t see, He promises to reveal to me as I “ONLY live (in the Eternal Day) up to what I have already attained!” I NOW walk this daily walk in FREEDOM in the ETERNAL TODAY, allowing HIM to reconcile ALL of my life, and what I previously saw as separation and division in myself and others, to HIMSELF! I NOW SEE ONLY HIM IN ALL THINGS!

“And if on some point you think differently” Look at the above passage, notice the two words, VIEW and CLEAR? We see ALL THINGS AS HE DOES and SEE them in PERFECTION…………..but, if at some point we don’t see as He sees, it simply means we are seeing more than HIM! And in seeing more than Him we become “the house divided”, by falsely believing my trial, tribulation, relationship, financial concerns, etc., are somehow SEPARATE from Him! It’s also at that exact “POINT” HE PROMISES TO REMOVE THE “DIM GLASS”, which is a perfect symbolism of our seeing more than Him, so we can SEE ONLY The Perfection in the mirror that He SEES IN US and AS US! And Now we walk in the same POWER because AS HE IS, so ARE WE IN THIS WORLD! (I John 4:17) Sinless, perfect, and the exact representation of HIM in OUR FORM!

“And ALL of this is a gift from God, who brought us (and everything that could ever concern us, past, present, and future……every “point”) back TO HIMSELF through Christ. And God has given us this task: OF RECONCILING (not only people but everything we see as separate) ALL PEOPLE TO HIM.” (II Cor 5:18 New Living Translation)

All of US who are MATURE should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently (seeing separation) that too He will make CLEAR, ONLY let us (who are mature, SEEING ONLY HIM IN ALL THINGS) live up to what we have already attained (by Entering into His REST in the ETERNAL TODAY of WHO WE ARE IN HIM!)

The way I See It......(so far) - Rich Novak

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Norman Grubb's explanation of the Father, Son, and Spirit in his book "Yes I am" is awesome! He describes the Father as The Eternal Thought, The Son, The Eternal Word, (or you could say The Eternal "Spoken" Word), and The Spirit as The Eternal Action (Worker or Doer is what I call Him), or The One who adds substance to the Word! The One who Paul describes as both willing and DOING of His Good pleasure IN US! "For it is God (The Spirit) WHO IS AT WORK IN YOU, both to WILL and to WORK for His good pleasure." (Phil 2:13)

The way I see it, we were specifically designed for God's REST (in the Father)! And in that place of REST, where we have ceased from our own works.... WE SPEAK THE WORD (of the SON) by faith! And in doing so...... the Spirit (IN US, and WHO is joined TO US) then goes to WORK, bringing the "SUBSTANCE" to OUR SPOKEN WORD! Because, "AS HE IS SO ARE WE IN THIS WORLD!" (I John 4:17)

Anything else is Christian dysfunction, and so we have no other choice than to come back under condemnation (the law of sin and death), which is another way of saying we become "slaves" to seeing separation and division. And under that condemning law, we receive the "punishment" of seeing more than God! That is, until we once again see ONLY HIM in that person, place, thing, situation, feeling, or circumstance! Until we agree with our adversary (who becomes God by our seeing more than Him!) quickly! What Norman calls QUICK SINNING, QUICK CLEANSING! Guilt always demands punishment, and we will punish ourselves if need be....... in seeing separation and division......... in seeing more than God!


"And now we are consciously in our "father" stage, where we have, like Paul, "won Christ", and thus the highest privilege of being leveled with Him as co-saviours."

1 Corinthians 9:22......... To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. "Co-commissioned, co-laborers, co-sufferers, co-diers, co-risers in co-resurrection which with us brings "many sons to glory". (Norman Grubb)


And then there is this little gem tucked away in Philippians chapter 3 that has brought much freedom to my contolling thoughts and ways! I call it a "hinge to freedom", everything swings on it, because it's purpose is to takes us from death to LIFE! From slavery to FREEDOM!

All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if ON SOME POINT YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY (the hinge), THAT TOO GOD WILL MAKE CLEAR TO YOU . Only let us live up to what we have already attained. (Phil 3:15-16) I don't know about you but this little passage brings so much freedom to my soul! It all starts with HIM, and it ALL ends with HIM!

God is saying it is The Spirit's job (or WORK) to save and keep us, and it's also the Spirit who brings the next thing! We just stay yielded! This is so awesome, and what amazes me, in 30 years I have never heard so much as one teaching on Philippians 3:15-16! More than likely because of the first 6 words...... "All of us who are mature." God's definition of maturity is much different than that of organized religion. God's definition of Maturity: SEEING ONLY HIM IN ALL THINGS!
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It's taken a few days to really work with the phrase seeing ONLY GOD.
It's something I do ...or aim to do ...instinctively.
That seems presumptious...but think about it. Hundreds of thousands, millions even have been baptised in the Spirit and have been learning over decades to approach God in Spirit and in Truth. I know there are many negatives, but the raw truth is that is what multitudes have been learning and are poised to export onto the streets and towns in the form of
learning the same walk now outside meetings. That's how the third level works. Praise God,it's not done quite like the charismatics think...ie pray for 5 hours, then walk around locked into praise mp3s fed through earphones, lest the evil demonic world grab you and seduce you away.
Thankfully it's easier than that, entering into what Norman calls the Freefall of faith, where we believe on the inside of us what the scriptures say about us...that it is Him as me.

Having got this off my chest, there is nevertheless a series of similar "arcs" of seeing God only going on. This is my comment on Facebook to what Rich wrote.
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I really appreciate these sessions.Rich obviously gave me a prescreening of this, because we were chatting the other day. But do you notice how because we all see things a bit differently (and here I don't mean wrong and right,I mean God may have spoken to us similar things or similar angles from life experience or different verses) we kind of fire off each other! Now the effect on me as I reread these ideas this morning was this. And I think this is a cracker! Because of the wheels within wheels thing which I mention in Inrtroduction to the third level....this means that God is not only getting our "seeing right" in an arc which involves our lifetime, but the same but tighter circle is going on in every Spirit-filled meeting, in every genuine encounter individually with God or be it in every genuine praise encounter. Now only God can do this say with a meeting. Take a disparate group of individuals of all ages,coming fresh out of a weekful of activities and in the course of one meeting, and with His Presence falling, catch everyone up in One Flow,to one particular end for that one meeting with Him. And I just love that He does this for someone who is one day old just as one 60 years in the faith. How can He do that. Somehow we just get "caught up" in that realm which is the Eternal Now, which is always vibrant,active,doing something,to a purpose, all in an atmosphere of faith, of saying the Word actually in the throne room....which ofcourse must come to pass, cos it's Him. In one session , 29 years ago for example after the serial killer Yorkshire Ripper had scoffed at the police with tape messages of his exploits for two years or more, we were led to declare him caught. Within hours it was so!Totally amazing. But
ofcourse, we never know what God will catch us up in Himself to do. Now every meeting should be like this....and will be, as we learn that our daily walk does not have to be different either. At the moment in the charismatic level, as I was,I'd be leading in a meeting, prophesying, singing a new song, whatever....go out of the meeting and not knowing about the "independent self" switch, click right over into extremes I don't want to mention. I was desperate. But as soon as we "get" this He as us thing, we see Him in everything...or start to....and if we don't as Rich just wrote we have this confidence that God Himself will make it clear to us...not some rulebook. In practice though....get a Body of people walking as Him...we'll soon gently get nudging one another for things we're not seeing straight. I experienced the very first shoots of this (kind of a firstfruits move) from 1978-1984 living in Spirit filled community. A hothouse if there ever was one...except without the fine 3rd level scalpels we tended to bludgeon each other to death with the gift of suspicion.