Showing posts with label Isaiah 53. Show all posts
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Tuesday, 27 June 2017

Bait and Switch 3: God's Switch

The great PUN of History
 is Bait and Switch
His Name is as ointment poured forth
If the devil is a thief ,liar and a murderer from the beginning
then all that he offered us of freedom came out of his own self for self drive  to make gain at our expense
The earth had been given to the sons of men ONLY, not to angels.
He wanted to steal that birthright from us, He is a thief.
To do so he lied. He is a liar. He lied about God, He lied about us being able to live independently and be as God, which is his own lie he believes about himself. See Isaiah 14.
And he lied about death. He is a murderer. Surely you will not die, By infecting our spirits we were immediately on a death course. Death spiritually, death in our souls, and the inevitable after effect , death in the body.
The devil promised several things. All were lies. Through our submission to him, he stole our rulership over the earth.....or tells us continually he did, and he infected us with death. His own death.
The wrath spirit that is within his person infected us.

God likewise doesn't tell us straight away about all aspects of His switch.
But His switch comes out of  His continuous"Love for others " drive. Unconditional agape.
“Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard,
And which have not entered the heart of man,
All that God has prepared for those who love Him.”1 Corinthians 2:9

One of the reasons God gets us talking in other languages that we don't understand is that our minds would just not be able to take the nature of the information. So great are His promises.

John1 But as many as received Him,
to them He gave the right to become children of God,
even to those who believe in His name,
13 who were born, not of blood
 nor of the will of the flesh
 nor of the will of man,
but of God.

Right there you could end this post describing God's surprise switch.
To receive Christ, who is from the I AM, the eternal Now
we are receiving a man, but recognising He comes from God.

Now we could, like the disciples, be receiving a man in front of us, an ex-carpenter....but actually that doesn't help too much. Because outwardly He looks normal or like us. Only in the Spirit would we know He is come direct of God.  And that realm is outside of time anyway.
So actually receiving Him through preaching all this time later doesn't actually make any difference,
we are still taking the testimony of other people who have seen into the Spirit, and we are believing their Word, which also made the SWITCH from Darkness to Light in them
And now we receive this Word and also receive inward confirmation.....HEY, THESE THINGS ARE SO.....and we too become co-knowers, co-receivers of new birth.

When the Prodigal Son returned home and His Father saw  him afar off, He rushed to greet him.
He embraced and kissed him. Before anything.

The sons response is contrition. He had been to the bottom. It was a bottomline response from" the end of the universe of his own choice".

The Father on the other hand calls for
THE BEST ROBE
A RING for his finger
Sandals for his feet

Covering
Authority
THE Divine ability to walk things out

Rev.12They overcame by
the Blood of the Lamb.....the first layer in Christ
The Word of their testimony....the young men of 1 John 2 expressing/confessing their authoity
and loving their lives not even unto the death ...the father level....walking things out in Divine enabling.   Having our feet shod in the preparation of the gospel of peace.

Meditate on those scriptures and how they all interrelate.

The Switch: Our High Position
  • But First How could this occur?
    In an outward way to an outer court people before the Holy Spirit was given, you can see God scratching His head trying to work out how on earth do you convey the two aspects of Christ's work on the Cross, which was ONE ESSENTIAL WORK in the Spirit in an outward way.
    The Two Goats is how He did it. And this is covered in more depth here.
    and then spills out into a second post here
    Our old man, old spiritual man, died. He had to die. As we enter the very Temple or tabernacle area in the outer courts, there is no discussion or prevarication, we look upon a brazen altar upon the death of a creature, looking in the Spirit at the Lamb of God who takes away the SIN of all the world. The sin spirit of all the world.
    But that death this side of our reality does not show Jesus taking that sin into death, andwhat happened there. So God wheels out the second image to show what happens beyond the veil of flesh.  The second goat is chased into the wilderness never to be seen again. The scape goat.
    We are not left dead, but the Holy Spirit leaves our old man judged in Sheol, and raises our spirit in Jesus as His Body is raised and given life.

    Romans 8 is a complete breakdown of how this works
    Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

    9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

    12 So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh— 13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.

    18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. 24 For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.

    Our Victory in Christ
    26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

    28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

    31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? 33 Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies; 34 who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. 35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 Just as it is written,

    “For Your sake we are being put to death all day long;
    We were considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
    37 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

  • He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit
    However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.
    What is "walking in the flesh"?   We all have flesh This phrase describes our former default before knowing Jesus. Our Romans 7 discovery that God leads us into is that my problem was sin , or the sin spirit manifesting in the the flesh or my body. It's not "Oh the devil made me do it." A kind of get out clause. No that isn't the point of Romans 7. It's getting us down a dark lone alleyway where there is no other thing or person to blame....just me....and I finally learn .....hey....being independent isn't independence.
    There is no such position of being a self run soul. An alone- I  .  Just to live and move I have to be empowered by a deity spirit. Either God....or a "derived god"......Satan who positions himself falsely as a god....

    but really He is NOT SEPARATE either, but has twisted God's empowering in on itself.....and he has become a self for others creature.....and the devil seeks to persuade man to join him in this apparent independence....but really he usurps us and then becomes our controller.
    Being a god in our own right is a lie.

    But that is not now our reality. Well it is if we choose it. If we set our minds on the flesh....as if there was an existence called self spiritual godhood....then sin abides in us still and reigns over our mortal bodies....

    but if we set our minds on the Spirit and confess that we have died in Christ and it is nolonger us that live, but Christ ....then this Becomes our new default. This is what maturity in Chriat is.
So unashamedly then our high position that the Switch, God's answering Bait and Switch, has brought us into is

Psalm 8


O Lord, our Lord,
How majestic is Your name in all the earth,
Who have displayed Your splendor above the heavens!
2 From the mouth of infants and nursing babes You have established ]strength
Because of Your adversaries,
To make the enemy and the revengeful cease.
3 When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers,
The moon and the stars, which You have ordained;
4 What is man that You take thought of him,
And the son of man that You care for him?
5 Yet You have made him a little lower than God,
And You crown him with glory and majesty!
6 You make him to rule over the works of Your hands;
You have put all things under his feet,
7 All sheep and oxen,
And also the beasts of the field,
8 The birds of the heavens and the fish of the sea,
Whatever passes through the paths of the seas.
9 O Lord, our Lord,
How majestic is Your name in all the earth!


Isaiah 53


Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.
6 All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.
7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He did not open His mouth;
Like a lamb that is led to slaughter,
And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers,
So He did not open His mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment He was taken away;
And as for His generation, who considered
That He was cut off out of the land of the living
For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due?
9 His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
10 But the Lord was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the Lord will prosper in His hand.
11 As a result of the anguish of His soul,
He will see it and be satisfied;
By His knowledge the Righteous One,
My Servant, will justify the many,
As He will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great,
And He will divide the booty with the strong;
Because He poured out Himself to death,
And was numbered with the transgressors;
Yet He Himself bore the sin of many,
And interceded for the transgressors.

Isaiah 7.14

The SWITCH means God is NOW NEAR US....Emmanuel

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel.

Song of Solomon 2:3 
Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest,
So is my beloved among the young men.
In his shade I took great delight and sat down,
And his fruit was sweet to my taste.
4 “He has brought me to his banquet hall,
And his banner over me is love.
5 “Sustain me with raisin cakes,
Refresh me with apples,
Because I am lovesick.
6 “Let his left hand be under my head
And his right hand embrace me.”

Colossians 1:9




9 For this reason also, since the day we heard of it, we have not ceased to pray for you and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, 10 so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; 11 strengthened with all power, according to His glorious might, for the attaining of all steadfastness and patience; joyously 12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light.

The Incomparable Christ
13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

21 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, 22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach— 23 if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

Ephesians 1 then 2


Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. 7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight 9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10 with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12 to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory. 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

15 For this reason I too, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which exists among you and your love for all the saints, 16 do not cease giving thanks for you, while making mention of you in my prayers; 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him. 18 I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might 20 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22 And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

And finally concerning the Holy Spirit who is given to REVEAL all the things that are now ours in this DIVINE SWITCH

1 Corinthians 2



And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. 3 I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling, 4 and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.

6 Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away; 7 but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; 8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory; 9 but just as it is written,

“Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard,
And which have not entered the heart of man,
All that God has prepared for those who love Him.”
10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, 13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.

14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. 15 But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. 16 For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he will instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.


A wonderful gift to your life would be to spend days, hours and weeks committing all the passages in this post to memory.They are all so wonderful revealing all the things Jesus is and has done.Glory be to His Name. His Name is as ointment poured forth.

Thursday, 24 December 2015

Wilderness Conversations...

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My experience is the same as others describe. Like Ed Miller.
So I only know about getting thirdlevel stuff on your own. Ian Clayton was the same I think. But John Fina Paul, Kimera Betz and Sarahlyn Joy Betz seem to be trekking in together.
It should theoretically be possible although we know what happens in churches and groups up until now. You can read it in Job. His friends were pretty useless.
But when Church works properly as in
1 John....the walking in the Light passage
and Ephesians 4, twice mentioning speaking the truth in love....
The CHURCH should be the WOMB that brings forth the Manchild. If IHOP Kansas actually press in and don't get caught up in the charismatic merrygo round they should find that too.....
But if not....well they will be the same as all other churches and moves for the last 2000 years.
Galatians 6 shares the mystery in this passage:
Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. 2 Bear one another’s burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ. 3 For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4 But each one must examine his own work, and then he will have reason for boasting in regard to himself alone, and not in regard to another. 5 For each one will bear his own load.
Each one will bear his own load is a huge part of it....not all....but a huge part of it. You will feel totally alone.
The whole alone-I feeling and identity will virtually consume you as it rises to the surface. All your life you have stuffed it down. You have not faced it. You have covered it with work activities friends family and church......but at last....it's just you and God.....you can nolonger finger another person....
It's you.....
You and the DOCTOR
You and the Surgeon's Hebrews 4,11 knife.
I was encouraged by what Wendy shared on God Channel about intimacy, and coming close to the Father. But what has she had to go through to have to have this new area open to her?
The process Jesus went through is described in Isaiah 53....
like root out of parched ground....
.He has no stately form or majesty
That we should look upon Him,
Nor appearance that we should [b]be attracted to Him.
3 He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of [c]sorrows and acquainted with [d]grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
He was at that point carrying all our stuff so we don't need to.
But where Gracers get it wrong is......we ARE carrying it anyway until we release it. But in order to release it it has to rise to the surface. You have to let those figleaves be peeled away. It feels as though the figleaves are you because they have been pressed to your skin so long. THEY ARE NOT. Though your feeling scream.....you carry on proclaiming the truth of Romans 6. YOU are in fact dead.
Mother Basilea Schlink said it feels that you will never be beyond this point. It can be unutterably dark. But it will pass. Jesus Name is stronger. This is the battle of faith. This is passing from 1 John 2 young man stage into Fatherhood.
Franz Kafka wrote
Truth is seen in the grimace on the face of a retreating lie
There never was an old man.....he was a lie.....he was you empowered by Satan. The entire condition was a con.
Oh yes his misuse of you like a glove puppet is real....but he'd told you it was you...because you were a god, he said , striding your own universe....
but he had his hand up your bum all the time.....you were never independent. The entire thing was a lie.
Christians on facebook sound so holy fighting against their old man....but the fight is a delusion. To fight, you have to have a separate existence....and you haven't.
The switch in reality is so clean....
It's to recognise that God is the source of ALL LIFE. You are not in separation. And the whole Adamic permanence of death has been ripped off us, even as the veil was torn.....the very flesh of Christ was the veil that was torn.
Jesus never got His old body back.
I'll repeat that
Jesus never got His old body back
He was the pioneer of the New Creation model
As He stepped onto the catwalk out of the tomb, later He modelled the new body's ability to walk through walls.
YET...you could touch his scars....He was fully there in other words.
And we are in Him and He in the Father.
This is the third level.
Coming home for the last time.
In our heart.
Fused, interleaved, hidden with Christ in God.
After this we speak what we know, what we have handled , touched tasted.
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Kim Ilene
Kim Ilene I thought BEING alone was going to mean FEELING alone, but it doesn't. (I'm talking about when precious family members die and leave you and the fear process you go through before it even happens.)

But I was wrong. I mean, my fears were wrong. In fact, I feel very sustained and surrounded by God. I feel very FREE. This is completely opposite from the fears that were whispering about how awful it was going to be (in anticipation of the "event"). You pass through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, yes, but you don't come out the other side all bloody and bowed, scraped and gaunt and suffering starvation like someone who barely made it through. No, you burst out victorious like someone rising from the grave WOO HOO!

Which brings home to me all the lies I have believed. I don't know if my experience can transfer to someone who is still going through it? I long to give this feeling away! But maybe like every baby has to travel through the birth canal - like growing pains - it simply is part of the process and there's no way to shortcut it?
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Kimera Betz Right on. Everyone, even if you're in a group, comes to that alone time when you feel utterly forsaken & devastated. There is no escaping it. You must realize & except that you're dead & that the only life you live is the one in Christ. There is no separation between you. As He thinks so you think, as He moves so you move, as He is so you are & on it goes. But, the striping off of the "fig leaves" must be something akin to being skinned alive they are so closely held. I cannot say that I have been completely flayed, but I do know that I have come a very long way in the process.
There is one more person on this journey with us - David Levitsky. We have had others come & go, but we 5 have pushed through thus far. God deals with us both individually & corporately. He's been able to move us along more quickly because as a group we've been able to learn many lessons by experiencing it corporately through one of us & talking it through & then experiencing another lesson through someone else. We have borne one anothers burdens & carried our own individual burdens.
God has taught us that He loves to give us messages individually & corporately. Sometimes He will give each of us a small piece so that we have to communicate extensively with each other in order to get the whole thing. Sometimes He'll give us a little tidbit or a topic & then we start talking about it &, oula, a whole new understanding of scripture or God or something that is going on in the spirit or in the world comes about. Sometimes He gives us a word for ourselves alone. But, one of the main things He has taught us is that together we are virtually unstoppable & not easily deceived.
I believe that as more of us connect across the world we will fulfill our purpose as the bride of Christ without spot or blemish. How that will look or even how that will transpire is still not plain, but as we live out each day following our Head it will become clear.
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Kim Ilene Excellent! For me, the irony (and I don't know if I conveyed it well in my last post) is that I felt more alone when I was still WITH SOMEONE (i.e. while they were still alive and not dead), than when they had actually died - because after they had actually died and I really was alone, I didn't feel alone AT ALL. It is very ironical - this idea that you could be very alone physically and yet feel one with Christ. I would not have believed it possible and yet I have read about it in missionary biographies and recently I was reading one of Jo Kimmel's books on prayer and in the very last chapter she wrote about how wonderfully uplifted and sustained she felt after her husband had died unexpectedly in a plane crash. People told her that it was some kind of grief-induced denial that would eventually go away, but it never did. I believe Catherine Marshall described the same thing after her husband died. I guess another way of saying it is that what we would call "worry," is really the devil's voice whispering in our ears, because it's all lies. So, yes, the process of squeezing through that birth tunnel is definitely painful - there's no denying it - but the FREEDOM on the other side! Glorious. I'd heard about it, but it seemed too good to be true. Lol!
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Kimera Betz
Kimera Betz I understand what you're saying because the time I actually FELT the most alone was when I was married & had everything I thought I wanted & the times I don't feel alone at all are when I'm working the night shift at my job. The first brought to desperation to come back to the Lord, the later increases the depth of my relationship with the Lord. smile emoticon
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch Excellent stuff. But before Norman Grubb Nancy Gilmore Fred Pruitt and Page Prewitt I dont know of anybody daring to say there is nobody else. I Am Jesus Christ in my form as me. Its pretty obvious thats what Paul meant by Galatians 2.20 and As He is so are we in the world....... but in recent history even the most mature never quite got this defined this specific.
We came in in the 70s by being this specific about the church but not about us as individuals which meant there was a gap for Satan to use. Jorge Pradas's first Word to the loose fellowship of spiritfilled from all sorts of churches.....was are you a fellowship or are you The Church of the living God. When we get specific in our believing and confessing then the cat fur begins to fly. The process you describe Kimera was happening corporately in Emsworth in the context of something similar to Ihop today. I am just not certain how specific everybody in that hall is being. Also ......for a while you can have the right confession like many in Normans group did......but because we are raised in the West.....for the first bit of time its leftbrain. Saying Jesus stuff like a Dalek is almost worse than not saying any thing at all. But we must start somewhere and God sees the direction of our heart.
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Kim Ilene
Kim Ilene I am obviously not privy to all the past history and people, but I think I understand how easy it is to believe that God lives in you and to feel God working through you and how amazing that all is - God in us, Emmanuel, and even greater works than this! - and then to have that disconcerting moment where someone comes screaming at you: "How dare you believe that you are God!" Oh good grief. The only life we can experience is in our own skin and when the invisible God of the Universe enters in? Well I think it really boils down to a linguistical problem where we don't have adequate language to describe it. I KNOW that I'M not God and yet here He is, in me, working. Man, if the church could just get past the linguistical difficulties and just BE... O the greater things we could do! But we know that day is coming and for some it is already here.
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Kimera Betz
Kimera Betz He does, indeed. When we get stuck on something we've been taught He shakes us up with something completely outrageous & then begins to unravel all our previously held beliefs . Sometimes he does it by you or one of our other friends. Sometimes it's from a completely "worldly" source like a commercial. Whatever the trigger it sparks something inside that's been brewing for a while & is ready for its first taste. Frequently, He will have been talking about it to all of us right before we have a time when we're all home at once & have time to talk for a long time. We all ask Him to keep us flexible & open to what He's saying & to keep us on track with Him always. So, if someone disagrees with what we've said we take it to the Lord to find out the truth. If we're wrong we certainly want to know it.
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch John 15 is great. I am God....I am the Vine.....but in my iddy biddy branch twig form now currently on location as Nancy Gilmore says.....in Hayling Island and manifesting in limited space time beginning in 1958. All we are doing like the early Celtic Christians is seeing God going on. We are not like Satan seeing himself as something separate puffing his chest out and saying he is God in his own right. And he firmly believes this tho every bit of all the life he has left comes.from God. He lives and implants delusion wherever he goes. The secular people make.such a big thing about.....Hey are you saying you are God......not knowing that by living in the separation delusion of the devil.....that's actually what they do every day.....and that's what Charismatics do to this day. When Jesus said.....but I will say to you I never knew you.....to all those miracle.workers saying Lord.Lord.....but I did all these things......yes He means.....but you never came home to me. You spent your whole.life in the devils proud separation consciousness.....you are basically a rebel like.him.....go away. You don't want me nor love me.....well because you are neither hot nor cold.....I spew.you out.
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Kimera Betz
Kimera Betz In the vine smile emoticon
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Chris Welch On the cote de Portsmouth
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Kim Ilene
Kim Ilene Exactly. If you're one with Him, then how can you not be one with the God "part" of Him? (As if God could separate Himself into parts!) But intellectually I know that this flesh "branch" is not God, because, if it was, I would be FLYING through the air like a superhero (something I would dearly love to do, gosh darn it) and walking through walls and time-traveling!
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Chris Welch All I know is if the secondlevel had powerful attendance of the Presence of God.....what on earth is a third level gathering like???

The Cuban nun told us tales of supernatural dance and an old man who took off....they had to bring him down with an umbrella....

It sounds absolutely crazy....but if Dynamo is doing the things he does and as far as I can see its with demonic assistance....then God's got some wacky things lined up for the saints......talk about being caught up in the air!!!!!
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Wednesday, 7 May 2014

As you received Christ as Lord.soooooo.....

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As you received Christ as Lord so walk in Him.How did you receive Christ as Lord?
You gave up. You got desperate. Your innards cried out...Help!
So how do you think your Christian life will go on then?
All a missionary is....as Lainee Waterfield will tell you...is someone who gets put in lots more desperate situations of being rendered helpless unless God move.
This is the work of God that you believe in Me/believe on Me says Jesus.
We believe ON Jesus when everything else in the life raft has inconveniently slipped off the raft into the water. Only Jesus left.
So how does prosperity, or blessing work? We see, read or hear the Word direct or preached...we take it inwardly saying YES...then very often the opposite happens. Then comes the "fun". Do we continue, looking like madmen, confessing and hanging in there with nothing but Word...or do we harden our hearts?
Faith gives God permission to construct a story...His Story out of our lives.
In heaven Jesus said YES to the Father.
Here's how it looked on earth. This is His prosperity and favour gospel in action.
There was no room for Him to be born. As King there were none but shepherds to welcome Him. Any well to do magi that did turn up weren't even from Israel.
His own King arranged to murder Him. His parents fled in the nick of time to Egypt.
Eventually He grew up in a plain old town called Nazareth nowhere near a palace.
His Father did speak Words over him, and He did get baptised in the Spirit...but then so do we today!! He tries preaching in the official religious places . Most if not all will not allow it for long. His own townspeople tried to push Him off a cliff. Loads of ordinary people followed Him until John 6 when He wanted to preach on some of His own "inner tricks" to living. Just about all went off, leaving His dedicated 12.
But at His death all 12 bar one, John, DID DESERT HIM. Apart from about 3, as He died, He had nothing left. But then ofcourse He rose.
But what I am saying is...in the natural world of appearances He didn't have a lot to go on. People remember the miracles and think in charismatic Benny Hinn terms...but Jesus life just wasn't like that. Bits were. But Benny Hinn isn't how the christian life works either. Psalms 60-65 give you the sort of arc of David's life in the wilderness. OUTWARDLY to begin with the "prosperity/favour message" looks and appears quite different to what is actually going on in the Spirit.
Only those who see in the Spirit...AND NOT ALL OF THEM EITHER...will ever understand what is happening to you. All others see blackness. Get worried about you. Or worse. In Emsworth things got so bad the only thing I could think of doing is fasting for some 23 days or so. God broke through. I later learned to articulate the breakthrough by reading Norman Grubb. But nobody in Emsworth could see the breakthrough. Then God met me on a hill in a car above Llanfairfechan. But in Emsworth things got worse as I "appeared" to go off the wall. In the Spirit I was just following the Holy Spirit...and then I got chucked out. In the land of "appearances" all others assumed it was all the same sin problems. Nope. Not at all.
One leaders wife called Sally saw it in a dream. So as the other leaders were counselled together against me (Song of Solomon 5 type stuff) she saw that all that was happening was I had stepped out of the charismatic swimming pool and was beginning to walk around, which is an accurate picture of the difference between secondlevel and thirdlevel Christianity. David Swan also describes all the differences in his book "Holy of Holies."
All the things Jesus WALKED on earth in the invisible REALM...we shall see manifest. But His personal story is a bigger arc. He shall be seen to be KING OF KINGS and LORD OF LORDS. He will be manifest as the ALL IN ALL....But there is one HUGE development nobody has accounted for...either Jew, Anglican, Muslim or Catholic.
GOD IS BRINGING FORTH A KINGDOM OF PRIESTS AND KINGS LIKE UNTO HIMSELF...and this means going the same way as HIM...
What way?
The Isaiah 53 WAY
Indeed, who would ever believe it?
Who would possibly accept what we’ve been told?[a]
Who has witnessed the awesome power and plan of the Eternal in action?[b]
2 Out of emptiness he came, like a tender shoot from rock-hard ground.
He didn’t look like anything or anyone of consequence—
he had no physical beauty to attract our attention.
3 So he was despised and forsaken by men,
this man of suffering, grief’s patient friend.
As if he was a person to avoid, we looked the other way;
he was despised, forsaken, and we took no notice of him. (VOICE)

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Betty Lorine Schwabedissen WOW! My first time reading this and it really hit my Spirit..."GOD IS BRINGING FORTH A KINGDOM OF PRIESTS AND KINGS LIKE UNTO HIMSELF...and this means going the same way as HIM..." Then read the ISAIAH 53 WAY...MAKES YOU PONDER!! \O/
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Wednesday, 22 May 2013

Naïve



So I think I've been a little too naïve
in believing people will follow the Truth all the way into Truth. I've forgotten that there's a whole organisation of demons out there presenting themselves as angels of Light.


Now we CAN trust the Spirit to lead us into all Truth. But do we want the Truth? Jesus said in John 7...If any man's will is to DO the WILL OF THE FATHER He shall (automatically/reflexively/almost by bulk download) know the teaching whether it be of God. Also the New Covenant DOES SAY....and there shall be no need for one to teach his brother...for they shall ALL KNOW ME. But there's just one thing I was forgetting, as I kind of left Gary Sigler and everyone to it....what's that?  There's a STORY that goes along with the WAY, followed by THE TRUTH. And the story I present to you in Rich Novek's testimony. In Annalize Mouton's testimony. In Jesus own testimony in Old Testament phrases and New Testament descriptions; My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?
[b]Far from my deliverance are the words of my [c]groaning.
2 O my God, I cry by day, but You do not answer;
And by night, but [d]I have no rest.
3 Yet You are holy,

For He grew up before Him like a tender [a]shoot,
And like a root out of parched ground;
He has no stately form or majesty

Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
[g]Smitten of God, and afflicted.

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His [h]own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.

Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people through His own blood, suffered outside the gate. 13 So, let us go out to Him outside the camp, bearing His reproach. 14 For here we do not have a lasting city, but we are seeking the city which is to come.


THIS IS THE STORY we WALK....and recognise in one another...
THIS IS THE WAY...WALK IN IT.....This is how God brings us into ALL TRUTH

You want ALL TRUTH? You WANT POWER WITH GOD?
You want to speak the FAITH of the SON OF GOD?
Well, how do you intend to do it if you don't walk in His WAY for YOU?

Friday, 12 April 2013

Pollination and why Seminaries "really don't get it".

Pollination

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Carpenter bee with pollen collected from Night-blooming cereus

Tip of a tulip stamen. Note the pollen grains
Pollination is the process by which pollen is transferred in the reproduction of plants, thereby enabling fertilization and sexual reproduction..........
In spite of a common perception that pollen grains are gametes, like the sperm cells of animals, this is incorrect; pollination is a phase in the alternation of generations: each pollen grain is a male haploid plant, a gametophyte, adapted to being transported to the female gametophyte, where it can achieve fertilization by producing the male gamete (or gametes, in the process of double fertilization).
As such the Angiosperm successful pollen grain (gametophyte) containing the male gametes (sperm) gets transported to the stigma, where it germinates and its pollen tube grows down the style to the ovary. Its two gametes travel down the tube to where the gametophyte(s) containing the female gametes are held within the carpel. One nucleus fuses with the polar bodies to produce the endosperm tissues, and the other with the ovum to produce the embryo[1][2] Hence the term: "double fertilization".............


Mechanics

Pollination can be accomplished by cross-pollination or by self-pollination :
  • Cross-pollination, also called allogamy, occurs when pollen is delivered to a flower from a different plant. Plants adapted to outcross or cross-pollinate often have taller stamens than carpels or use other mechanisms to better ensure the spread of pollen to other plants' flowers.

A European honey bee collects nectar, while pollen collects on its body.

Honey Bees Immersed in Yellow Beavertail Cactus Flower Pollen
  • Self-pollination occurs when pollen from one flower pollinates the same flower or other flowers of the same individual.[3] It is thought to have evolved under conditions when pollinators were not reliable vectors for pollen transport, and is most often seen in short-lived annual species and plants that colonize new locations...........
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God's Divine Seed
What no seminary
No denomination
Neither any local church close to me in the Portsmouth area

seems to have grasped is the two or threefold truth concerning God's Word.

1.Apparent Randomness humanly speaking
John 1 : 11-14 
Youngs Literal Translation
11 to his own (things) he came, and his own people did not receive him;

12 but as many as did receive him to them he gave authority to become sons of God -- to those believing in his name,

13 who -- not of blood nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man but -- of God were begotten.

14 And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.

It was pretty amazing in Abraham's family to get three consecutive generations who all pushed ahead in God, and four if you count Abraham's dad. Abraham,Isaac and Jacob become our archetype as followers of God everywhere, representing salvation faith , an outpouring of the Spirit and "exploring wells of salvation", and finally the last great search for the Face of the One who is from the Beginning, and matters concerning Union.
Generally though, notwithstanding the promise to Abraham and his generations to bless the earth, those who indeed responded to the call of God in a lineage that led to the Messiah, were but the rarest examples of lovers of God in a whole sea of offspring.
So the Word comes NOT by flesh lineage
Not by surface desire
Not even by moral whim or high religious principle
But by direct encounter in the mystery of two....God and Man....becoming One  by a Divine Begetting.

You can't really organise for this stuff.
Jesus said...see the fields white for harvest....??? Well DON'T you dare rush in and mess it all up....He said "You pray the Father that HE send out workers.
2. The Seed... er.....GROWS of itself

Divine seed is what it says on the tin....Divine.
You understand tis does NOT mean you behave like Calvinists and fold your arms in your little wooden pews, thinking that since it has to be all God, we don't actually do anything. No...that too is baloney. WE WORK with all our might...but hopefully in the increasing revelation that it is God Himself BY US. In Union.
This is consciousness. You can't fake consciousness. You are either in HIS REST....or you think you are doing a work for God.
But the point completely lost in our Portsmouth area by all the denominational churches and by all the charismatic ones too, is that Christ grows FULLY in a believer. Not halfway, according to local churches belief....no.....FULLY....which is the whole point of this blog. The three stages of growth that we see spelled out in 1 John 2. Children. Matters of forgiveness by grace.Young men. Issues to do with the battle of faith around our new identity as New Creations, and roughly aligning with Romans Chapters 6 and 7.

Then, Fathers. The life begetting principles of intercession and pouring your life out for others to see them also receive Seed and grow too.
3. Pollination

The entire world of natural living plants and trees and grasses relies on a seemingly random cross fertilisation process continually.And if we could examine all basic particles we would doubtless see the same kind of dance going on.

In the same way the Word is transmitted. In the same way believers grow into maturity. If you look at the Bible characters. Outwardly not one life was the same. Inwardly however their lives were going through the same patterns of spiritual development that we do. Grace people, as I call them...not to disparage grace...but imagine a group of people who get stuck in a groove in the Romans teachings of Chapters 3 to 5, never maturing beyond this point, and you start to get what I mean. These ones never really get beyond picking holes in God's Old Testament Laws....so they are never able to stand back enough and begin to see exactly the same life arcs (allbeit in an Old Covenant context) that we go through in our growth with Jesus. Why should this be? Well God always was the I AM.  And He still is. And it was in a living relationship with Him that they lived moved and had their being....allbeit again...in an Old Covenant context.
Local church leaders denominational,nondenominational, charismatic or just evangelical....just haven't caught what God is doing.They run set meetings. Set housegroups. With set teachings. And set programmes.

Well apart from the specific occasion brought about by the birth of a "particular God people" in history requiring a Law framework for the whole of national life.....and perhaps something of a forensic detailed study in Romans of how salvation exactly unfolds....

actually the 60 or so other books are really annoying to people still trying to have a jolly good stab at living from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. They are far too random. Nonsequenced. Haphazard. So are the descriptions of the three years lived by the disciples with Jesus in all the four gospels. It's only since the Spirit has been outpoured in the last hundred years than anybody anywhere has been able to cotton onto the way John wrote his gospel. The thicko professors of the last two hundred years just give up in desperation and describe it as a non synoptic gospel, out on its own.



The key ofcourse is that John's gospel is spiritually topographical in the same way that the London Underground maps may not show you distances and precise geographic descriptiveness, but they show you the exact connective framework by which everything hangs together.  And the gospel of John is really a connective thread that runs along the main experiences that we encounter spiritually as we press on through to seeing our Union with God.This kind of dovetails consciously with the Jewish Feasts and their understanding of Tabernacle and Temple.





But all our local leaders scream inwardly, but put on a show outwardly, because they cannot be seen to argue with scripture. But oh, how they wish the gospels were a system based teaching they could roll out among their flocks. Complete with laptop Powerpoint demonstrations in housemeetings on people's walls.

But you see it's all SEED.Seed is Divine Life.
It is transmitted almost randomly by pollination.
You have to actually live with these wretches that are your minions who you are extracting a tithe from, so you feel under pressure to perform with a sytematized teaching each week, in case they stop funding your existence.


Jesus, instead, loved those who were His own. he lived alongside them for 3 and a half years. He rubbed pollen on them as and when it was relevant, as His own life came forth....
in praise of them
in teaching spiritual principle
in having a good laugh at Pharisaical behaviour

in letting them have it when they were in a totally inappropriate spirit.....whatever
He was cross-pollinating them.....LITERALLY.
Take up your cross and follow Me.

There's no real system. Just this. Rubbing your Divine Life against other's lives and watching how more and more of it sticks.

This is the difference between third level ministries and all the previous ages of ministries. We are not teaching shoulds and oughts and "out there" Bible stories of an "out there God".
Hebrews 7:16 describes Jesus ministry in this way:

one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life.



and we too now

but as many as did receive him to them he gave authority to become sons of God -- to those believing in his name,
13 who -- not of blood nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man but -- of God were begotten.

We have to know we are ministering from SEED, begotten of God.
Not blood ancestry
Not just because we want to minister because it's a nice wayto live and we are funded with other people's tithes
not because we are very very moral and consider it's our duty to impose this effort on others that they can be as extremely good as us!!!!
NO....By DIVINE SEED OF the EMPOWERING GRACE OF JESUS...that we have been pollinated by, that is now fullgrown and busting out of us  and is waiting to brush against some more stamens.

On Monday, I had the phrase "rooted and grounded" in Him going round and round. Then I got home and remembered Daniel's last post had been called "I am rooted in Paul's gospel".

We are rooted first. And you cannot see roots. Then after much buffeting those roots become very very firm and people recognise we are grounded. They may never admit to what, they may never understand what grounds us.....but they can see something strange is going on,because everyone else is being blown apart, but they can see it's not for lack of wind. They say of us, like Jesus:

He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
    he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.


But this is just the outer stuff. In reality we are actually finding those inner wellsprings through it all. What "seems" so negative, is actually what drives us to the world beyond appearances, which we find is so much more stable and to be relied on.

































































Saturday, 11 August 2012

Everything until now is just a mere self-install programme





The article below began as a status on Facebook that never made it. Very like the subject matter itself, it continued to unfold itself so it was already too big for a regular Facebook status, or even one of my enlarged ones. To help you understand where the kernel thought came from I'll take a few lines to explain.
One way to understand the tabernacle in the heavenlies, of which Moses tabernacle in the wilderness is a copy, is as a kind of machine, like a carwash.  Unlike the devil's operation where you might say we are being "engodded".....he would tell us we move from insufficiency to be made into  "gods".....
the Truth is it's more like a stripping process like the almond rod of Moses which is one of the items in the Ark of Testimony....WE ARE BEING STRIPPED BACK...or CIRCUMCISED.... back into the image that both Francois DuToit and Andre Rabe describe....OUR ORIGINAL image as designed by God the Father, which already is MORE THAN SUFFICIENT for carrying the Image of God. The devil tells us lies and says we are not sufficient at all. We have to "be something different".

Next I thought in terms of a computer programme and how it too instals in a 3fold process. So really I just  superimposed the two ideas. The idea of the Tabernacle as a processing machine to take a fallen man right through to being a full incarnation of God's Life, together with the idea of installing a programme.

The Outer Courts
We receive the computer programme of God's complete package in His Son as a zipped up computer file.
We have absolutely everything from the moment that the Spirit of Christ comes into our spirit.
The Holy Place
We need the Holy Spirit to unzip the file for us, and self-instal the programme which is Christ's own Life.
We HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO ABILITY to instal Jesus's Life, that's why it is a self-instal programme.The LIFE ITSELF instals itself by GRACE. The Holy Spirit alone is given to lead us into all truth and to show us all the things freely given in Christ. Note all the things are already given and part of the package, BUT WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE HAVE GOT!!!!!
The Holiest Place
Once the Life of Jesus is fully installed, it is now fully up and running, and we receive a commissioning from God of what TO DO WITH IT. cf. (John Bunyan Pilgrim's Progress...after the Cross which is some time after Christian joins THE WAY,Christian puts on the full armor and goes into battle)

But my next thought was about how God's Word works through history.
Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words; As silver tried in a furnace on the earth, refined seven times. Think of God's Light. His Word. As a self-install programme which forms a programme which then in turn becomes a self-install programme for the next full programme. Beginning to make your brain ache?
Well think of subatomic particles rotating around atoms, which then combine as molecules, which then form substances we see, which is all part of the Earth, which goes round the sun,whose solar system forms part of a galaxy of suns, which all form an innumerable number of galaxies, which make up the universe....and watch this space!!!!!     I make no apology for all this. This is the universe you live in, and this is the nature of the enormity of Word that we're a part of.
EVERYTHING WE HAVE EXPERIENCED UP UNTIL NOW IN GOD ON EARTH IS JUST A SMALL SELF-INSTALL PROGRAMME FOR THE MAIN PROGRAMME WHICH IS JESUS CHRIST IN A MULTI-MEMBERED BODY.
My next thought was "What triggers the changes?"
Song of Solomon says "Stir not up love nor awaken love until it please"
So what triggers everything is the Divinely awakened human heart crying out for more. (See Cry of the Human Heart by Juan Carlos Ortiz) So what if each sequence of Word as it unravels in the Earth is meant to provoke the next inward cry to trigger the next part of the programme? Hmmm....supposing this is also how the human body forms itself in the womb? (I throw that in)
This , then is the article:

Supposing the Word is like a whole series of Self-Install programmes
You're gonna have to have a Max Escher or Franz Kafka brain to get this one...but here goes.

What if God's computer programme called Light comes not only with its own DNA to self-install once...but the programme that is self-installed becomes the self-install to the next programme. So the first man, say , Abraham sees enough Light to give birth to a self-install revelation called "I AM the God of Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob", which itself becomes the self-install revelation for a nation, called after Jacob's new name. And what if the experience of the new nation actually births the self-install of the first bit of God's full programme, which is Moses and the Law. And what if a nation living under the Law gives birth to the anguish of failure necessary for the new self-install operation which fooled the whole nation, because it bypassed the whole previous programme. It was born direct from heaven but through a girl Mary from the previously installed programme  . What was born was human....and not being LAW shaped, but being human shaped, Jesus fooled everyone.

(Let’s take a pause there and just consider.....
Up until now, not having anyone to tell them otherwise, the Israelites knew that God had given a  “numerical” promise through Abraham about stars, and sand on the seashores. So they thought in terms of fulfilment by birth. Interesting, they forgot about the “star” bit.  The “from above “ bit.
Then the other main strand came through a man called Moses who they knew should have died on a mountain while fasting from both FOOD and DRINK for 40 PLUS 40 days. The Revelation he had was LAW. A Law so advanced, with supernatural insight into all activities of men, including the science of bacteria which would not be known for another 3,300 years  (1446BC- 1850s).
So they knew about destiny. And they knew about people’s relation with an external thing ....a thing “out there” you took on board called THE LAW.
The Prophets and the Psamists saw more.
But at this stage, they were glimpses.
Jeremiah 31:31 The New Covenant
Psalm 22, Isaiah 53 The Suffering Servant
Isaiah 7:14 A Virgin with child???? Whaaaaat?
Not enough for most people to recognise the brand new “Self-install” Programme)



And what if when Jesus said "The Kingdom was at hand " to 12 other men He was launching a new self-install programme, which in its failure, would need a whole new programme, also only directly available from heaven, called the Mystery of Christ in you.

But what if the initially individual version of the  programme had to self-install, run its course and die much like the natural nation of Israel did. So a Church largely of individually conscious Christians had to run its course right through the middle Ages until Luther who again got revelation direct from heaven.

And what if this Lutheran Reformation was just the self-install programme for the beginning of a Melchizedek corporate programme run entirely from heaven. And what if in its first two main phases, the evangelical movement and the pentecostal/charismatic phases were just the self-install programme for another completely different operating system whatsoever.....ANOTHER RUDE AWAKENING as Big a Shock, if not Bigger still than the Jews had when they realised that the next phase was not in the shape of LAW...but a human being...Jesus Christ the only Son of the Living God?

How do you mean Chris?

(Well, let’s take another pause, because we have reached another equally big jump, and look at a strange Old Testament scripture.
Zechariah 4;7 Youngs Literal Translation “Who art thou, O great mountain Before Zerubbabel -- for a plain! And he hath brought forth the top-stone, Cries of Grace, grace -- are to it.'”

We’ll come back to the first bit concerning the mountain.
So we’ve had ONE Huge shock already with the arrival of Jesus Christ. Which took us completely away from salvation by our own efforts to adhere to LAW. He broke into the whole system, suffered and died under the old system to demonstrate that salvation begins apart from the Law altogether, by BELIEVING ON HIS WORK.
And this we call Grace.
The grace of complete and utter forgiveness of sins....for all time.
Well, that was the first major interruption.
But now we’re having the second BIG SHOCK.
You see there is a second GRACE.....and without the second grace the topstone, or completion of God’s work here on earth cannot be accomplished.
Before coming to that let’s go back to the mountain.
There is a particular mountain that has been being built according to the words of Psalm 2.
1  Why do the nations rage, And the peoples meditate a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against Jehovah, and against his anointed, saying,
Let us break their bonds asunder, And cast away their cords from us.
He that sitteth in the heavens will laugh: The Lord will have them in derision.
Then will he speak unto them in his wrath, And vex them in his sore displeasure:
Yet I have set my king Upon my holy hill of Zion.
I will tell of the decree: Jehovah said unto me, Thou art my son; This day have I begotten thee.
Ask of me, and I will give thee the nations for thine inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10 Now therefore be wise, O ye kings: Be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve Jehovah with fear, And rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the son, lest he be angry, and ye perish in the way, For his wrath will soon be kindled. Blessed are all they that take refuge in him. end of passage.
The Kings of the earth are building an alternate mountain. And it is very clear from Psalm 2 that it is opposed to God’s self-installing Programme  whose whole Name is Light  here on Earth. The Light of the glory of God. In the Son Jesus. The kings of the earth even constructed a country to help bring in this alternate mountain. It is called the USA, and they even drew a rival picture to Zechariah 4 on the back of their dollar bill.  Most Americans weren’t ofcourse in any way involved and will be shocked to learn this. But the race is on for two topstones.

The pyramid topstone or capstone of a whole Order which attempts to utterly exclude God, and instal its own King.....the King of Tyre, as described in Ezekiel 28.

Why the King of Tyre?  Yes , he was an historic figure. But where is Tyre?
In the Bible, Tyre and Sidon are often mentioned in the same breath.  The same chapter prophesies of a kingdom whose name is Sidon. Where is Sidon? Tel Aviv.
And this city is the one that rules the present kingdom called Israel. But the Bible makes it clear that the present Kingdom does not resemble the Kngdom which is ruled from Jerusalem later in the chapter.

So why the King of Tyre? Because the main representative of Satan here on earth, which is referred to over and over again in the prophetic books scattered right through the Old and New Testaments, may well come from that region, or be crowned there.If not, it is a reference to how a human being can be so given over to Satan that he perfectly rules representing this fallen angel.  It has been the plan of the ages. The one that was interrupted at Babel. At Babylon. At a number of geographical regions since.

So all the while that a NEW HOLY TEMPLE is being built in the Earth made of countless people who all have God’s LIGHT programme unfolding within themselves, a horriffic Satanic counterfeit is doing its best to piledrive its foundations into every aspect of  the world’s nations.)
I was in a Facebook discussion with a man I know a little from my own church who has moved to a Portsmouth church.  The things I am writing seem so unnecessary to him. It comes as a complete shock to him that
EVERYTHING
EVERYTHING
Even what we know of Jesus Himself so far as churches
IS ONLY THE SELF-INSTAL PROGRAMME for the full Programme that is busy being installed through vehicles such as Facebook right now.

What is that Chris?
I have just heard of a Word given by Mark Stibbe about the Father heart of God giving birth in the Church to REFORMATION.
Bear in mind I was around in the 70s when Gerald Coates, George Tarleton, John McLaughlin, John Noble, Nick Butterworth and Mick Inkpen were producing Fulness Magazine, which posited not only that people get baptised in the Spirit, but that this would lead to a whole new way of living which would become a Reformation, bigger than that which followed Luther.

But that is what I am saying.

We’ve ARRIVED at the SECOND GRACE Message. The One that completes the Capstone here on Earth.

And just as it was for the Jews a complete shock to have a Person, a human being, God’s Son Himself, invade their salvation programme...
SO IT IS IN THIS DAY in our very own churches.

Because the second GRACE message only comes after horrible failure while trying desperately to live the Kingdom Life. This failure we are calling Romans 7. The very same experience that Paul wrote and himself experienced.

The Grace of the discovery in our brokenness of a complete replacement. A complete divine Exchange at the Cross. Not just forgiveness of sins through the shedding of Blood..... BUT A COMPLETE REPLACEMENT at our innercentre, already accomplished at the Cross, but taken by faith into experience in our own lifetime.

Paul wrote in Galations 2:19,20 Youngs Literal Translation
for I through law, did die, that to God I may live;
20 with Christ I have been crucified, and live no more do I, and Christ doth live in me; and that which I now live in the flesh -- in the faith I live of the Son of God, who did love me and did give himself for me;
This “self-installing”  LIGHT programme that has been ever working and unfolding from generation to generation

ONLY really works as people cry in frustration as the previous systems do not “fully work”. Yes aspects are good. In general, each revelation God brings gets fuller and fuller.....but HIS REST can only fully come as we get the WHOLE PACKAGE of this self-installing programme.

It is nothing less than the BIRTH of JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF in our spirits, soul and body.

And THIS IS WHY IT SAYS

1 John3:2 YLT  beloved, now, children of God are we, and it was not yet manifested what we shall be, and we have known that if he may be manifested, like him we shall be, because we shall see him as he is;

Adam gave birth to sin and death from the inward to the outward some 900 years later.


St Paul knew fully that he was doing the same in reverse with the new seed, and fully expected that it would manifest in his body. In his case, he was murdered before it fully did.