Showing posts with label Emsworth Christian Church. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Emsworth Christian Church. Show all posts

Saturday, 13 September 2025

The Octopus spirit





Those long years ago which felt like being chucked out of the charismatic movement , I was feeling to run round Emsworth church boundaries 7 times . The 20 acres are not all adjoining to roads so.that's quite a distance by road .
I don't think the structures would have fallen flat like Jericho....but its interesting that I was prevented from reaching the last seventh circuit .

What I felt was there was something like a spider or octopus spirit holding the work .....sending it to sleep or into passivity .

Maeve , a prophetess,  who was Irish from Dublin , the one who had led Bono to Jesus in school . She kept visiting her friends in the church . One occasion she saw a bowl of fruit slowly going off .

Costa Deir , a man by nature,  full of the Lord's joy like Jessie Duplantis,was , while visiting our church , very very serious.  All his messages were very very sober instructions from the New Testament . 

I can now articulate the wrong spirit .
Samantha Paradhina calls the whole pyramid/ Leviathan order using the Job 38 Leviathan passage : the spirit of whoredoms.

Choosing a king pastor or one network apostle is going back down to Egypt and the pyramids.  You have chosen another husband from Jesus .
This is why, although God is gracious and still may come in meetings to a certain tide mark  , but really the writing is on the wall.  Even something as laudable as IHOP and Mike Bickle  can veer off course. 
Someone with the clear fruit of revelation on the Fatherhood of God can veer off course like Mark Stibbe .

The very first church on earth had 12 completely different personalities being taken through in the Spirit by Jesus and Word to 1 John 2 Father stage of growth 

Implied in every charismatic's mind is the goal of being put over a work of God like a church or better over a pyramid network .
That's not God's goal. 
That's humans being raised in establishments of the world thinking that the Kingdom works the same way. In a pyramid shape. 

No Kingdom from the wilderness onwards was always Melchizedek around a Pillar of Cloud and fire. 
Jesus chose 12 disciples. 
If you've lived in Bible House Community you understand part of the genius is the Cross filtering of Light from all the Body members. 

In His Light we see Light .

In normal Adamic culture or spiritual New Age culture the gap that Satan created by the creation of a middle man independent self is still active so at any time,  Leviathan spirit chains all these people using the pig ring of the nose of the Adamic spirit , and pulls the whole thing together to commit gross evils .
This process is described in Job 38.

There's an unrule or misrule in Adamic man .
There's also a fearfully wrong and powerful spirit we call Jezebel that acts through women .
One is like a passive Ahab the other like Jezebel , killer of prophets. 

These are spirits that temporarily take over God's creation 

What we want to head for is males and females having a single eye for God the Father , Son and Holy Spirit . Seeing God only like Psalm 123 and doing precisely what He us indicating. 

Just because the John quartile and the women have a natural predisposition to spirituality and spiritual light does not signify spiritual accuracy coming from the Throne of God .

So in the framework of current earth caught in thrall to false Genesis 3 Light God uses 
The Word of God 
12 father stage different personalities and Holy Spirit giftings to hold the Presence of God in Revival spirit .

The first few years of the Church are interesting. 
We have proof that maintaining continuous revival is possible, seen in the establishing of a proper City on a Hill Church in Jerusalem .
It even survived the horrible issue of whether to demand circumcision of males in the New Covenant . That's a massive issue because its a central logo issue for the Old Covenant brand .

The New Covenant branding is far superior because it is Hebrews 4.12,able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 

There are three stages of spiritual growth roughly equivalent to the last three stages of psychological growth which is what M Scott Peck was struggling over in Different Drum and Dave Tomlinson echoed because of Peck in his 1990 book ' The post evangelical'.

Norman Grubb's book Yes I Am and his booklet Romans 6 to 8 are our Romans for this generation,  just as Normal Christian life by Watchman Nee  was for us in the 60s and 70s .

Ephesians and Normal Christian Church life by Watchman Nee was our 60s Body and Church revelation,  but it's George H Warnock who put it into today's context in his 1951 book ' The Feast of Tabernacles '.

People are waiting for a transparent community to walk in Galatians 2.20 Light .
To lift Jesus up from the earth not just in praise but in a non jostling infrastructure very similar to Joel 2 Army but in the Spirit of God .

Selah


Sunday, 4 May 2025

Smoosh (blended together) and Zing (Anointing /Fragrance)

 






The reason why the world is at a kind of halt is this ....making the swapover from seeing people as trees walking and using them to perch in pyramids
All the way over to
discerning the Body of Christ demands a whole layer of skin off all of our hearts .
This action of the Lord to circumcise us has been prophesied in Ezekiel 36 about the new covenant .
Jeremiah 31 also .
Isaiah 59 uses a recompense word which in the context sounds ominous and also uses the word Coastlands .
Another statement is " Yet once more will I shake the heavens and the earth as of things that can be shaken. ".
When we make a smoothie in a blender we use lots of ingredients . The more ZING centred we get rather than FLAVOUR centered , or COLOUR CENTERED , THE MORE WEIRD THE MISMATCH .
In a cafe ,in order to sell anything at all , you'd have to stay with yellow or neutral ingredients .
Or blueberry coloured nutrients
Or chocolate brown ingredients .
You can't do them all at once .
If you have health problems, or even just value ZING FACTOR over taste , then you absolutely don't care too much about taste or colour .
ZING, if you haven't gathered , is every cell in your body going crazily happy about the download of fantastic amounts of many of the 90 vitamins and minerals we need to be perfectly healthy , all delivered at once in a mashed up smoosh .
ZING is real in the Spirit .
For 6 years I lived in one house of many cultures that don't ordinarily sit happily together on earth let alone in one house . I'm not joking , and I think God must have been, because two of the nations living together in the same house during the 1981 Argentine War , were Argentinians and British people .
ZING in the Spirit is what happens when we gather in the proper Name of Jesus . Because it HAS TO BE HIM TO ENABLE A PSALM 133 SMOOSH UP .
I don't know how Frank Viola got on , on his Gene Edwards Galeta Community SMOOSH UP .
The CIA and Rome hated what was happening with all these communities and Jim Jones and David Koresh Wako were staged events . I've read reports of Jim Jones being airlifted to London afterwards .
This affected the previous Holy Spirit drive into Community . We read the Holy Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness . At that point there was Only One member of the new Priesthood of the Order of Melchizedek . Jesus . The Son of Man . And the Son of God .
By the 70s there were a whole Jesus generation of born again baptised in the Spirit new teenage priests as the Bible truthfully calls us as believers .
We loved each other . We were round each other houses . We had meetings in the lounges .
We practiced 1 Corinthians 12 meetings .
We loved what we saw with Graham Pulkingham and the Fisherfolk as they moved around the UK , including my school for a week .
A boy in someone's lounge that we met in , was from a grammar school in High Wycombe . He went into Bugbrooke Community which has since become the Evangelistic force known as Kings Army .
In 1975 or so Dr Heribert Muhlen, a professor in the Catholic Seminary at Paderborn was baptised in the Spirit . The offshoot for me is that I spent a lot of time in the Franke apartment . I was theoretically a Protestant and so was another girl called Karola .
I think everybody else that gathered there were Catholics . But Martin Franke had already at 17 or so , been sent to America to learn from many at Ann Arbor New Covenant Community but he was taken around by Judson Cornwall of the praise books for some of his time , plus he had access to the Kansas City Shepherds Conference tapes .....and the one everybody listened to is the one where Ern Baxter was off the ground for part of the message . Thy Kingdom Come . See LHS of my blog for the message link .
Karola( Lutheran Spiritfilled) married Martin ( Catholic Spiritfilled ) 10 or so years later .
The week , the very week of Jonestown CIA trauma , was the week I moved into community in Emsworth .
Don't get hung on the details . This Post Is about psalm 133 SMOOSH .
Here's the KICKER of this Post .
The Jesus Move thought that psalm 133 was what we were in by virtue of all being Spirit filled .
No .
A careful reading of the Psalms of Ascent shows absolutely that Pentecostal and Charismatic Church community has nothing whatsoever to do with what's happening in those ' top 4 psalms '.
The Bible can be annoying . Like , on paper , the brevity can be extremely deceiving , but in the wisdom of God , precisely what is written is the purpose of the Holy Spirit .
Why ?
Because the Bible is a thirdlevel book to point you into Christ who is seated at the centre of the Holiest Place .
It's not an Old Covenant Manual in the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in a step by step series of leftbrain instructions .
It's a British Underground Train map which is topologically accurate giving all the main stations , but absolutely no details of where Macdonalds is .
The Holy Spirit is given to " take of what is Mine and reveal it to you " , says Jesus .
Jesus wasn't allowed to sit people down and say , here's the 100 things you need to know , including point one .
He had to wait patiently until point one was revealed .
Peter suddenly got revelation of point one from the Father . " You are the Messiah , the Son of the Living God ." The Father's revelation AND the subject matter IS THE ROCK on which the ecclesia is built .
Yes , I know Peter means Rock too .
And I know Isaac means laughter .
And I know Jacob Twister Wheedler Usurper ( Name stealer ) got changed in one night to Prince with God , Israel .....and NO ....it's nothing to do with Isis Ra and Elohim , all smashed together like Yahweh Baal and Onisiris , the Jahbulon three headed god of Freemasonry .......
The point is the Father has to come near to our soul which is severely traumatised by 6000 years Abuse by a hater of our being , a name stealer , and abuser called the Devil.
Each revelation of the Father sloughs off this impenetrable outer skin in a fresh circumcision of nations in every generation .
Jesus is Messiah but the Holy Spirit has to reveal the Messiah by every Word of the Father .
He is the Brazen Altar Messiah raised up for us.
He is the Laver Priesthood Mirror Messiah who reveals Jesus in us .
He is the granter of supernatural gifts in the candlestick .
He is the engrafter Messiah of Table of ShewBread .
He is Altar of Incense / Day of Atonement Messiah / Psalm 131 Messiah.....where He weans us off being the centre of the universe and self for self .
So Jesus is also the Messiah who gets us from Atonement all the way through Feasts and Holiest Place into a fully functioning acacia box like Himself ....the description of the acacia box Mercy Seat .
So the Bible is annoying , because it doesn't spell out that's the reacceleration programme after psalm 131 , going through 132, 133 and 134 ......but that's precisely what Jesus was going through without sin , once anointed for priesthood .....
And where sin is involved , that's precisely what was happening through the Cross weekend , then the 40 day reacceleration programme of the disciples followed by the ten days waiting on the Lord who is now the Melchizedek Great High Priest and Lord of Lords MESSIAH in the heavenlies .
Sorry this is long but here's where I want to get to.
SMOOSHING AND ZING . And I'll probably use my blender afterwards .
At the height of their anointing to the UK , you could visit the Fisherfolk at Worcester Cathedral or Yeldall Manor Reading where they lived before the period on the Scottish island , allowing God to bring them into more 24/7 Jesus living ......
And you'd be left ZINGING for about 3 days .
The infusion of Word and Presence and Praise .
I'm using the Word Zing , but Jonathan Brennemann used similar words as he allows the Holy Spirit to move through him . ( His 2024 book Mechanics of Miracles on Amazon ).
Jesus said " if your eye be single then your body will be filled with Light ".
That's a rewriting of Psalm 123 and Jesus phrase
" I only do what I see my Father doing ".
Here's where I want to wrap up .
Part of the reason God let the CIA slow community down across the globe , as evil as they are , is because until Jack Fortenberry's book Corinthian Elders 2009, and Uncle Sid and his Chainsaw as sung by Don Francisco about South Chard Church Devon .......God never got really serious about how He runs Church .
We hadn't yet fully come to the Gate of Miphkad Jerusalem Gate in the Spirit .
Now we have .
Morris Cerullo said " All truth is parallel ".
It sure is .
We have never seen a time where there are so many absolute fools in power at one time . It seems most are now highly compromised people working the Freemasonic / Templars / WEF Training Course Agenda .
Pyramids are being shown not to work .
They never worked mathematically, but they don't work at all when not one leader even attempts to fulfil their manifesto , but do the opposite ,because basically the Rothschild or Rockefeller above them, and the Orsini above them, and the Brandini or Breakspear above them , and the 34 quadrillionaire Mr Paiseur above them , says no .
Community requires a psalm 133 core of psalm 134 people .
Priesthood isn't religious it's Jesus-ous.
It's learning how to walk Galatians 2.20......New Age and New Thought aren't good enough .....all they are is " christed " little c. They are just the carefully engineered excitement of rediscovering our very own same fallen spirit as always .....only for 200 years we were told it didn't exist .
And it's all very exciting like Findhorn community late 1960s ......before people find they can't actually stand each other .
Now I'm sure books like Surrounded by Idiots by Thomas Erikson help .......but we actually lived as a house and I can tell you this ......
1 Corinthians 12:14-26 dysfunction is real .
I'm not sure if it's THE reason all our marriages failed .....but society doesn't teach us Meyers Briggs type things for a reason.......
We won't be dependent any more
We won't be weak and divided any more .
We won't want pyramid so much anymore .
We might enter into a functioning body of people that learn homeostasis .
Ecclesia is the pillar and ground of truth of a completely different way of living outside the control spirit of principalities and powers .
Acts Jerusalem Church modelled it .
It's nowhere on earth .
Ecclesia has been stolen by the name stealers and recreated as rabbi pyramid synagogue , or still worse , full on quasi return to Levitical heirarchical ecclesiastica .....ecclesiastical means absolutely nothing in the Holy Spirit .
Pints with Aquinas are totally wrong on that even if they have good podcast guests .
It's like commune and communist .
They mean absolutely nothing in the Holy Spirit of God , whereas community means everything .
Marriage means something in the Holy Spirit .
Living together means nothing at all .
Gathering in the Name of the Catholic order or Anglican Order or Charismatic order of fellowship means absolutely nothing at all in the Holy Spirit .
The Apostolic Word is a direct mapping of many parallel things in our Bible .
The New Covenant organic New and Living Way is not so different from God , lived live , around an actual Pillar of fire and pillar of cloud in the wilderness .
The processing in the Spirit of the 12 Jacobs sons has extreme similarities with the formation of the 12 apostles .
The DIFFERENCE is the Holy Spirit work of John 14.21 and 17.21, because God is now Emmanuel ,He is now the heavenly Bread we are eating which takes us right off the Genesis 3 platform . This is still ongoing and isn't very manifest . But we see a cloud the size of a man's hand .....
We see Jerusalem Church , the one built by the Son of the House . That's errrr got to be an indication as much as Anglicans , Orthodox , Catholics and Northern Ireland Protestants fool around like kids in playpens with their pyramid heirarchies .
We see Chalfont St Giles prayer meetings becoming America .
Our generation has seen first level churches , become secondlevel churches , ready for actual thirdlevel Acts type churches where leadership is empowered AND HAS A SINGLE EYE .
THERE'S SMOOSH AND ZING .
AND THAT WAS THE END OF THE SIXTH DAY AND GOD SAW THAT IT WAS GOOD .
READY FOR THE SON OF MAN TO GO INTO ACTION ,PECULIARLY , ON THE 7TH DAY OF REST .
This time, Isaiah announces for Jesus .....
The Government will be upon My Shoulders
Because Priesthood is Normal , and Because Jesus living is normal .
Hence why Arthur Blessitt had to trudge 38,000 miles around the earth with the Cross for 40 years , after being told he'd better stay in the hospital bed for the rest of his life because of his congenital heart defect .
" I can die in my bed , or I can die on the road making the Cross normal ".
38000 miles later on the very last day the Holy Spirit said , " Lay the Cross flat and lie on it ".
I think Arthur really got the point of Galatians 2.20.
So we can .
Galatians 2:20 NASB1995
[20] I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

Thursday, 2 March 2017

Why are the Dales so important?

Phil Dale,Anna Dale,Mum and Dad Rachel and Tom Dale, Kim youngest daughter and  youngest son Chris Dale.

What is the Dales' story?
Well you could study it at some length, especially currently.
But they are a Spirit prototype in the sense that here was a whole family picked up out of the heart of Anglican England, swirled through a brief Elim pentecostal Hors D'oeuvre
before being plunged as a family into the "new" thing that God was revealing in the 70s
the "vision" of the Church.
They are an early example of how you have to be baptised by God Himself into this reality....it isn't just waking up in the morning and deciding to go to a different church....although outwardly I guess this is what it may have looked like.
For those that don't know they were at the very heart of the 1978 influx brought about entirely by the Spirit. Young believers (mostly....Waughmans excluded) grabbed by the Spirit and plonked in an unlikely manner in the one Argentinian based church in Emsworth, ready for experiencing the Falklands War in 81 under one roof in the UK.
At one point, so many were upping sticks and actually moving into Emsworth, the rest of the Portsmouth believers were labelling us as a cult that thought Jesus would return in Emsworth.
Phil Dale is a lesson to all those now in YWAM. You see YWAM never really deconstructed Phil as did Bible House. The poor guy, like all of us, didn't really know what was happening to him. Whether YWAM's DTS is just too short or whether they just don't move at the same realm in the Spirit.....but like the Canadian Teacher who found himself living with the nins in Darmstadt, when I met him....
it felt like being in a washing machine on a no 3 wash. You didn't know which way was up!!! Quite literally.
If you remember ,among my friends here on FB and blogreaders, Jean Darnall and Harry Greenwood and a third person all propesied in 70 or 71 or so that Emsworth was to be a "teaching church" where young people were to be sent in, and they were to be teachable and then sent out all over the world while retaining their friendships and unity. As with most Words of God nothing of the sort happened for about 6 years, and indeed apart from some tiny church young ones, there WERE NO YOUNG PEOPLE. Then as usual and right on time God does what He says and WHOOMPF....tons descend on the church.
But back to the Dales.
They are a prototype of a natural family in a new Covenant church.
The Holy Spirit put them all individually into a washing machine. The processes were all totally real. What usually happenes is one or two family members relate to God and the others tag along. But everybody, from Tom (the Lt Commander of Nelsons Flagship HMS Victory at the time) Rachel his wife down to all the kids, were all being Sovereignly brought into the Spirit processes of God. Truly stunning to watch. And here in the a Britain that usually has dysfuntional familes who can barely tolerate each other when the sun is out!!!
The last point I want to highlight is that the Holy Spirit honoured them as a UNIT. With many of us brought into Emsworth as individuals, He was highlighting things individually and maturing us individually. Emsworth had no agendas...well mostly. They were a forerunner of churches run entirely in the Melchizedek Order. And the Holy Spirit would care for and highlight certain individuals or groups of individuals in some of the meetings. I have often shared about how God met my friend Marcus Roberts in a particular meeting which really changed the whole infrastructure of his life. Similar things happened to us all....I also think of Paul Ellis NOT THIS ONE but the Emsworth one, who went in one meeting with the apsotleJorge Pradas Montse Pradas , Nuria Pradas from being jobless, single and in Brighton,
to being married,employed and having his own house. (Where I arrived incidentally)
BUT WITH THE DALES GOD SPOKE TO THEM AS A HOUSE.
The odd meeting that centered around them centered around them as a family unit.
What does this mean?
Well these are secondlevel prototype events that sign or signal how God is going to treat familes as thirdlevel churches get established.
because most of us are still living the scriptures....Unless a person hate his father and mother and family....etc
speaking of how we "hate" the independent self spirit in other family members in order to stick with what the Holy Spirit is doing in us....
because this rather individual experience still remains the norm we forget the rest of the verses and promise that Jesus said....
ONCE WE HAVE CIRCUMCISED RELATIONSHIPS GOD
ADDS TO US a hundredfold
families houses nations and so on.....
And so YES.....GOD IS INDEED ABLE TO TAKE WHOLE FAMILIES THROUGH AND OUT THE OTHER SIDE....
AND THE DALES ARE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AND SAY
YES GOD
BRING IT ON!!!!!

Thursday, 29 May 2014

Things only started going wrong when.....

Things only started to go wrong with me, and the "secondlevel" churches up a mountain side in North Wales,1987. (Secondlevel churches are churches which believe in God and the Holy Spirit out there somewhere, and that we can get anointing by waiting on God, setting aside an appropriate amount of hours, and going to church enough, ....in short, they are the equivalent to the Pool at Bethesda approach. Like Lourdes, they believe in "places", and "protocols", and "headship and submission" and strangely single apostle pyramids, but they haven't yet paid the price of Galatians 2:20 in their own lives) Psalm 120 decribes the needle we all feel when those who surround us are pushing us in directions we are not happy with. So up this mountain, I did the characteristic psalm 120 thing and yelled at God and blamed Him. Only I did it more religiously than that!! God replied..." What are the others to do with you...how about you? Do you want to follow Me?"
So weighing things up...I said yes I did.
From then on I followed the Holy Spirit doggedly. And the more I did, the more it cut across protocols. Like , for instance, Emsworth apparently had some law about not going to pray for somebody's healing if it was out side their control "and covering".
In being specific here, they are ofcourse nothing out of the ordinary. All this type of thing is listed in the gospels as Jesus followed the Spirit. He also listed His own lists of observations as well which caused a lot of amusement. Lainee Waterfield just had the same thing this morning in Southampton.
If we still walk in Genesis 3 THESE are the FLESH/FIGLEAF/RELIGIOUS symptoms that MUST bleed through. I bet if I followed Canon Andrew White around he'd have the same rubbish. And if he followed me around like my wife does...he'd still find this rubbish still clinging onto me. Basically its squiffy seeing, where we are not moving from CHRIST AS ME. Or as Jesus put it " not ONLY DOING what we see Dad doing." The problem with secondlevel churches is this stuff is now made into protocols. All sorts of laws, hidden and open that are just what Jesus calls human tradition. The Leaven of the Pharisees. They CUT right across the anointing. And they cut right across people living Jesus as them. In fact in Samuel's case and Jesus case the Father got them cutting directly across. Samuel turned up late deliberately for the agreement he had made with Saul. Jesus in John 7 said to his brothers...NOPE...I am NOT going up to the Feast....then DID.
He also, when He heard about Lazarus dying...HE DELIBERATELY STAYED LONGER where He was. WOW.
So are you starting to get it?
One of the functions of thirdlevellers is to OBEY GOD SO CLOSELY we start to expose secondlevellers to themselves. They then have a choice.
To call US NAMES....or to call themselves names!!!! LOL
So apparently one of the names I'm being called at the moment around Havant is "depressed". I'll give them depressed!!!. Once the third level breaks out properly in all the churches according tp the law of Hebrews 13.13 living....we'll find out whose depressed.!!!!!
Psalm 126 says...when the Lord restored the fortunes of Zion we were like those who dream, our mouths are filled with laughter and our tongues with shouts of joy."
I'll GIVE THEM SOME DEPRESSION ICE CREAM to put on their DEPRESSION PEACHES!!!!
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Wednesday, 11 September 2013

Prophecy to the Bible House young men 19th March 1979



Monday 19th March 1979 prophecy through Stuart Wentworth to Bible House Young men below:


For I say unto you young men
that I have chosen you, that I have called you, I have known you, I have to called your lives  for a purpose, I have called you that you might overcome the evil one.
Stuart Wentworth on another occasion sharing in Winsley Barn

'I have called you to a way of faith,and this shall overcome the evil one, this shall overcome the world, even your faith. I have called you to be men of faith,faith in the faithfulness of your God.
First UK Bible House 42 New Brighton Rd Emsworth

And even this night, I would join you even this night,that together you may become men of.faith, that you should share your faith one with another, that through your faith, you should encourage and build up one another.

For I have much to do through your lives, and I would. counsel you this night to take every opportunity and to make the most of the time to build up your faith, that most holy faith in your God.

The times will come when I shall scatter you, and I shall thrust you forth into the work that I have prepared for you, and you shall walk in the ways that I have prepared for you to walk in, and you shall perform even the good works
that I have prepared for you to walk in. And you shall not have your brother to whom you can turn.


But know this, that in the Spirit I desire to join you in such a unity and in such a bond. Though you be absent in body, yet shall you be present together In the Spirit. And that fellowship and that communion in the Spirit may not be broken. Rather it will be strengthened by your separation, and that your love for one another will even be deepened by that separation, so that you would yearn to see one another again.

I have called you to this place, that I might fashion you and prepare you for the great work that is before you. And even this night even as you are drawing together, it is as though a holy flame ascends unto your God, right unto My place, right up to the very heavens, a flame that is holy, which burns the sacrifice that is acceptable to your God. I desire this flame always to burn deep in your hearts, and never to go out, and I would counsel you to fan that flame Keep in your hearts that flame of love for Me, that no matter what I take you through, that flame of love shall never be quenched. And many waters cannot quench the fire that I have put in your hearts. And I desire that fire to become a mighty flame fanned by the moving of My Spirit, that would carry men into
the very kingdom of God.
Outside the Now Non- existant Boy's Club Sunday meeting building Emsworth

And I have chosen you to be heralds of My holiness, that you may speak forth precious words of life unto those that are perishing and lost, that you might build up My Church in these days to come.

And so shall My Name be glorified through your lives.So shall My Name be uplifted and carried by you,carried upon your lips and upon your hearts, and the very anointing of your God shall be upon you, the very glory WN4 (Olk of God shall be seen on your faces For you are a precious people unto Me. Each one in this

The Garden of 42 New Brighton Rd Emsworth
Church is~precious one to Me. And these men that you see before you are not special men in a sense that they are diffr - ent, but they have a calling and a ministry which is from God.

And I give many gifts unto My Church, many gifts, that the Body of Christ might come to maturity, might grow up into a
fulness of My Son.I give gifts and I appoint men who shall be bearers of the Good News of God, the Good News of the Gospel.

These men are not different.

Each one of you has a place in My Body that is special for you, and each one of you has a ministry, and each one of you is precious to Me. I have called these men that My Church might be established. Bear them upon your hearts.

Pray much for them, for to whom much is given, much shall be expected, and to whom much responsibility is given, much is held responsible, and I would have you pray for them and to uphold them before My face, that they may be men of faith, and that they may be faithful unto the high calling to which I have called them. For it is a holy calling, it is a high calling, it is the calling of their God, and though they may try even to resist it, yet in My love I will continue to work in their lives that their calling might be fulfilled.Strengthen them much in these days, and uphold them before Me, for My hand is upon their lives, and they shall know much of the work of My Spirit.

I would say again to you young men, build yourselves up in your most holy faith, that you might overcome the evil one, that you might know Me, whom to know is life eternal. For I shall never leave you nor forsake you. My hand shall be upon your lives, and though you may fear much, yet trust in Me, for I have begun a good work in you, and I shall complete it the day of My Son.Therefore be of good courage, strengthen that which is weak, strengthen your brother. So shall you be established in My ways and so shall My Name be glorified upon this earth through the ministry that i have called you to.


These two first parts I hope will be added to by those with real testimonies about the foundations that were put into lives in the late 70s and early 80s.

Tuesday, 25 June 2013

What is next, Edie Chill asks me ?

While you have the light, believe in the light, so that you may become sons of light.” When Jesus said these things, he went away and hid himself from them."John 12:36 prompted by Daniel Yordy's letter this week The Seventh Trumpet.
While you have the light....Why ever not we ask, is it on a time delay? Is it like the Mission Impossible Series where the tape selfdestructs 10 seconds after it has been played? (see 4 m 50 seconds)

 Manna in the wilderness had its own self destruct mechanism if you tried to keep it for more than a day.
We're used to leftbrain books and manuals where if we don't read them one day we can pick them up the next. Many people treat the Bible like this. Patrick Bwayo calls this reading the Bible like the Old Covenant Bible. Jesus phrase to his own brothers in Jn 7:6  was "your time is always here."

In schools they teach comparative religion. Every religion is presented in leftbrain format which if we applied the same to the study of wine, would be like giving A level students the labels off say 100 different bottles, and telling them to write essays on that. You can't know anything about wine except by drinking it. You can't know anything about religion save by worshipping. And to be fair, they DO give students the opportunity to visit places of worship.

BUT CHRISTIANITY is not found in the intellectual study of Biblical words, and to be truthful, it isn't really found in most churches.   A lot of churches once had light, but now they contain the shadows of that light, the external forms cast by that light. Catholicism above all really is that, for around the fourth century the church that existed became systematised, and floods of people fled into the deserts to try and maintain what they once had, far away from the structured heirarchies. Anglicanism is really only a slightly warmed over Catholicism, with an understanding that, at least intellectually ,  salvation is by faith in the sacrifice of Christ, but apart from High Anglicanism which maintains the idea of Transubstantiation...that the Bread and wine change physically into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ when someone rings a bell, most of the more modern denominations broke away because they genuinely had received a bit more light.

You can actually track the historical progress in terms of the items listed in the Heavenly Tabernacle, of which Moses Tabernacle was a copy. Even Methodism is an early attempt to mimic the idea of making disciples, be it only in some kind of home study situation. Nevertheless the reproductive quality of this cell like structure was so powerful that  the Kabbalist Jews copied it when they began Communism.

In actuality though, different individuals and small groups were pressing into a relationship with the Living God, and God was granting more and more light into the running of His Kingdom.

But Light is different from intellectual knowledge.
It has the actual SEED of DIVINE LIFE in it.
You don't receive light in the intellectual part of your brain. It may percolate there. It may begin there as doctrine until the Holy Spirit illumine it as Light, but once it is in Light form it literally illumines all your ways. Nothing about you is hidden from it.   "In His Light we see light".

So YES in answer to the phrase in the introduction, LIGHT IS IN FACT on a time delay.
Unlike a doctrine, or fact, which is an outer form, LIGHT is dynamic. It is the LIVING portion  of Christ/ of Christ's bread that you need PRECISELY in the spot and time that you now find yourself, that will provide the programming, the grace enablement for you to get you in the direction of Christ manifesting the Incarnation of Himself through your Body and Soul, whereby great fruit will be produced by which others too may come to know the Lord.



Imagine a comparison, if you will with  SatNav. Your satnav is programmed to find where you are now, then out of all the possible choices of road find the shortest or cheapest or quickest sequence of roads for you to arrive at your destination.  In the UK, Portsmouth goes via Guildford and Kingston to London. If you are in Southampton, which is west of Portsmouth, it is really annoying to be told that you have to go back to Portmouth to get to London, because YOU DON'T. The Satnav would then tell you to use another motorway, the M3 via Basingstoke.  Methodists have their way of doing things. Anglicans theirs. Baptists theirs. And it's all atrociously longwinded and vague and none of it is current light.

Current light says believe in Galations 2:20....non stop...in and out of Christian meetings and gatherings. At work. At leisure. At sport. The old idea of having endless meetings and endless teachings and endless prayer sessions and endless worship gatherings is now irrelevant IF YOU DON'T GRAB the current light

which is


Jesus Christ is YOUR LIFE lived as you....out of your very spirit through your soul, out via your body.
It is now:
As HE IS so are we in the world.
What is Jesus Christ doing in you now?
Or as Jesus put it describing His Father's life....I can only do what I see My Father doing.

Or as Rich Novek puts it ....we see ONLY GOD...ONLY NOW.
His is the ONLY LIFE in the Universe....what Caribbeans loosely call flow....as in "that's really flowing man".  or "That's really happening"....or "That's REAL man." Or "Keep it real".

Norman Grubb called it the Spontaneous YOU.  Which comes as a shock to British people, who ruled by a piece of them that was never given any status to rule...but only to be a servant or butler....namely the mind...they are known the world over to come across slightly stilted, because their minds are forever cutting in and processing what is essentially an ever running fountain called life.

SO DO WE ATTEND MEETINGS?

It's a bit like when Paul said others have come to spy out our freedom.

WE LIVE SPONTANOUSLY  and out from that everything flows.
Everything that we attempted before like worship, prayer, Bible teaching and learning, fellowshipping...
ALL THIS is now spontaneous, in or out of meetings.  As Norman Grubb said...I am Israel. or I am the Church.

By this he meant if we are practiced in believing on the Christ living our life...then as truly as He is the centre of all these spiritual activities, then He is that through us. People get just as offended when we say these things as they got with Jesus when He kept saying
One Greater than Solomon is here
One greater than Jonah is here
One greater than the Temple is here

Ofcourse the PROOF is in the believing...signs follow after.
If we are really living from the One Jesus Christ then it should flow with somebody else also living from the One Jesus Christ. Ofcourse it often doesn't quite....and we rub up against another person's wrong seeing or them against my wrong seeing....BUT HEY....this is nothing other than the normal mechanism of
a devious mechanism of God known more commonly as

LIVING IN A FAMILY or
LIVING WITH OTHER HUMAN BEINGS ON PLANET EARTH.

So NO...WHILE YOU HAVE THE LIGHT....while God gives you the LIMITED WINDOW of opportunity that He shines with His Lasar Light which, going right through the centre of your being, has the capacity to take you ALL the way from wherever you precisely are NOW all the way to ZION...HIS HOLY HILL....you have to believe it....believe ON IT....trust it...Let it become your main hunch....base certain things you would have done, but are now not doing on it....and base things that you WILL DO NOW, and wouldn't have done on it.

What if I'm wrong and it is only a hunch. My hunch, but nothing more?

Well you have to believe that God's Divine Sat Nav of His grace WILL LET YOU KNOW in no uncertain terms if you are barking up the complete wrong tree. AND HE DOES.

This is called training our senses according to righteousness. You also get to know when others are telling you wrong. Their words have a jarring empty effect. And ofcourse when you stop even quicker in your tracks instead of doing what they want you to, they get even angrier. Because you "look rebellious". But they ofcourse can't hear yet how weird their words sound in the Spirit.

You want some real example?
The gospels are full of them. Compulsions and pressures to do things that just aren't God going on.
Martha getting all frustrated because her sister wasn't doing a blind thing for "all these guests" in their house.
Jesus just talks straight at her and says..."Mary is fine...she is doing exactly what she's supposed to be doing."
See, God only gives a limited portion of light. He doesn't endlessly pour forth that same light. If Martha doesn't at some time quieten herself down enough to listen while Jesus is speaking that light, how will she ever get from where she is spiritually now, all the way to Zion? It will be an impossibility. She will have no substance to believe herself there...no conveyor belt of grace.
She will then get rattled with Mary as Mary apparently sales on past her in life, exhibiting graces of God and gifts of God, and experiencing fabulous moments in God.....and like Cain with Abel...she could begin to get very angry with her sister. But her sister has simply "bought the ticket" that is going to take her there. The ticket of hearing by faith or hearing with faith. Letting that Word enter her, for it says the "Entrance of your word gives Light".

Many have access to Word but they don't let it enter....so it never GIVES LIGHT. And without LIGHT you don't have direction...and without direction you never end up being drawn pulled and tugged...almost despite yourself...towards Zion.

This was part of the prompt behind this post.
The charismatic movement was the training ground of the Melchizedek Order. Learning to do what the Spirit said in His timing without any man pulling strings so that this Order would rise 24/7. The charismatic shell cracked around 30 years ago while the chicks have been hatching. Soon the movement will be nothing but Ichabod with strings pulled entirely by man.
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  • Karen Murphy Mclain Now you're being"cynical" lol
  • Edie Chill What's next Chris?
  • Chris Welch I am being exact, and what is next is the third level church which is an incarnation of Gideon's 300.
  • Chris Welch The "I am being exact phrase" response to" Now you're being cynical", is said boldly because of my experience in 1981, when I (although not the pastor) somehow was handed the key from the last remaining member of the congregation in Emsworth which had been opened by Smith Wigglesworth about 50 years earlier. So I know firsthand what an empty Spirit shell looks like....old,sad and very grey and infirm.


    So What's Next?

Unbeknown to us who have been too close to the White Cliffs of Dover to notice they are in fact cliffs and not white fog, God has been rewriting the entire I am the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob package in corporate form, but this time on a mega scale the whole world over.


Abraham represents the evangelical anointing, the faith anointing. The receiving of salvation by faith
.

Isaac represents the Quaker/Pentecostal/ charismatic relationship with the Holy Spirit, His gifts, 
power , and the experience of Baptism in the Holy Spirit. Opening wells of salvation.

Jacob begins as something like the Word of Faith movement, bedding himself into believing for wealth success and supply.

But in 1972 God addressed His people as a generation and called them to seek His face (Psalm 24)
to raise up a highway of holiness  in the desert

to raise up the former devastations and restore the breach
to build signposts whereby others would follow
that He really was doing a new thing...BUT WOULD WE NOW PERCEIVE IT?
ofcourse we assumed He meant along the same lines as the Quakers Pentecostal and charismatic call to rediscover the power and gifts of the Spirit. He didn't mean this at all. That had been done. When He said NEW....He meant NEW.

In 1973 we were speaking the Word of faith over our towns and cities which were filled with old denominational churches that there would be new Spirit churches. We had no idea how to even achieve this, but we knew that was what the Spirit had spoken to us together with a rudimentary vision of His Church.  Within 3 years God had raised up ministries like Ern Baxter and unbeknown to me Sam Fife and other apostolic gifts to begin birthing this end time church. By the eighties through to the early years of this new millennium God had manifested this reproduction of His Church in towns and cities all round the earth.

By the mid eighties I was absolutely sure we were still missing something. I had also been blessed by brushing up against people of real stature like Pastor Wurmbrand,Mother Basilea Schlink, Ed Miller, Sam Fife,Jorge Pradas.
I was also receiving specific Spirit Words about my life through people that didn't know me at all.

Now for 5 years I have not felt to share any of these apart from with close friends, but today I feel to put this main one on my blog so that some of you can understand a bit more about why I do things the way I do.

Stephen Herzig is to this day a prophet who moves among the churches. He emerged out of the Abundant Life churches (in particular Maidstone Abundant Life Church UK where he and his wife Anita were pastors) established by Bob Weiner and Tony Fitzgerald, and these in turn had emerged out of YWAMMers who had begun to settle in towns and cities, marry and have families.
Just the other month I met someone from Haverford West Church who had equally had his life overturned by a Word coming through Steve. You should know that this Word had great authority about it, not least for two factors.
1. It was delivered at the START of  his preaching...he literally prophesied COLD before he began to even preach.
2.He didn't know me from Adam. I wasn't a leader. I was simply one of the many Bible House youth.

You should also know that after I had copied it by hand from the tape of the meeting, my then leadership instructed me to tear it up and throw it away, which I didn't do, because I knew it was God's voice to me.



14-9-86   Prophecy Through Stephen Herzig for Chris Welch
 

Before I start I have a word that I want to give to Chris, that I had laid on my heart while we were praying before the meeting began and I wanted it to be taped for him to be able to weigh it really and just have it ther so he can go over it in good time, so this is it, brother!

I really felt Chris from God that a time of preparation was ending in your life and that you'd walked with the protection and encouragement of men to stand by your side and stir you on and affirm the gifts God had placed in your life  (How accurate this was for in Emsworth they nurtured my prophetic gifting, my songleading and worshipping gifts,they had eagerly embraced many of my Spirit given songs and sung them in conferences and taken them abroad, they had let me write evangelistc drama and let me direct productions by my self and others like Jimmy and Carol Owen's Antshillvania, I'd been allowed to be part of the team spearheading the new Paris Church which had ended so disastrously).....but the time is now coming for you to take a step forward to lead in the things that are within your heart - to step forward into leadership in the things of God and I believe it will mean quite a significant change for you (and your family??? I wasn't married yet????) 

I believe it will mean quite a significant change possibly of location in your life ( well ...two minutes across Chichester harbour probably hardly counts...but when you sense things in the prophetic you feel things like a chill or a jolt and then you have to interpret them...and unless God gives you that specifically...you can faff around a bit....what in fact happened was greater than any geographical change....like a true Song of Solomon 5 moment everything I then was, all my friends, the entire church, my whole infrastructure, my name, and with it my music, my reputation, my gifting was torn away by the leadership at Emsworth, I was left surviving on my skills as a self employed piano tuner living on my own for another 10 years having lived practically all my Christian life in one form of community or another....until 1998 when I married Christine.....so yes....in the Spirit he was dead on - bullseye), here's the because.....

"because God wants to release you into a fresh field of ministry and authority and anointing in Him. For all the ingredients are within your life and He has been working to place each stone in place. He has been working in your heart to equip you with every single tool that is necessary for the future anointing and ministry which he has placed within the recesses of your spirit.

And He is saying the time is now to step forward to make preparation for that and NOT to allow yourself to be tied to anyone's ministry        (that didn't go down well in our apostolic pyramid)

BUT TO SEE THAT A GREATER CALL IS UPON YOUR LIFE THAN TO BE EVER SERVING SOMEONE ELSE'S VISION AND SOMEONE ELSE'S CALL.

For I am raising up people who will follow you and I have found and made a place for you to step forward with great confidence and with great boldness so that my Word can go forth.  (Hmmmph...well that was 1986....the blog didn't start until 2008 !!!! LOL so you can imagine I thought long and hard about that sentence!!!!)

And the music and the ministry and the anointing which I have placed in your life will explode forth, says the Lord and many will touch and be blessed....and a wide funnel - I see right at this point and it's like you've been living in the neck for some time but there'll be an explosion of ministry coming forth from your heart which will take you to many places and many situations which before you have not dreamed of sharing in or being in - and they've been kind of glimpses in your heart, but you've never really thought that they could possibly be for you - because you've seen other people walking out and taking it, but you've never really thought that God had it in His heart for you-
but says the Lord, my child, you have been faithful to My Word, you have served and honoured and lifted up others and I am now taking your life and lifting up you before others that they might serve and might release the gifts within your life says the Lord.   (Again the leadership did not like that sentence at all!!!)


My purpose here is not to go over ground that I have covered in this blog, but to share briefly that I had another direct encounter with the Lord in the Christmas of 1987 halfway up a mountain in Wales where in one sentence the Lord asked simply...forget (My relationship with all) the others, (that simply doesn't concern you,) DO YOU WANT ME?

By 1988 the Spirit had formulated this phrase in me. There is another LEVEL.Christianity has another whole level to it that the Church worldwide know nothing of. Later in   the year I had received the phrase the THIRD LEVEL. None of you can know what it felt like to read Chapter 31 of Norman Grubb's final book "Yes I am" which as clear as anything is titled : ON NOW TO THE THIRD LEVEL....here is a sample paragraph:

"Paul's Roman letter we all recognize as his fully developed, detailed, and authoritative statement of what he calls "my gospel." In this letter the three states are plain enough:

  • chapters 3 to 5 - justification (little children); 

  • 6 to 8 - unification (young men);

  • 9 to 15 - cooperation, co-saviorhood (fathers)." Norman Grubb



So , feeling totally validated by something that I had heard myself direct, even though to all appearances my life, (just as that of Daniel Yordy ,Rich Novek,Annalize Mouton and so many others that have walked this way)appeared such a disaster, I made the 1989 Introduction to the Third Level message tape in faith that one day it would get listened to. I even had it specially copied by ICC Eastbourne, but I could tell, even though it was a commercial order, they were profoundly embarrassed by it. 

I also made two other moves as a Word of faith that God was bringing in the Third level into His worldwide church. 

One was a Double CD Concept album which actually is a fulfilment of the Word given in Friends Meeting House Fountain Trust meeting in 1972....to set up signposts for others to follow. "Early Harvest" Double CD is like a series of "piles of stones" to mark the different Spirit foundations that God puts into the life of a believer. Watchman Nee had done a very similar work in his teaching series that were later published in book form. Norman Grubb produced what is really the capstone in his series of books culminating in "Yes I am", what he calls the Total Truth message. 

Finally, I regathered all my Exeter University accomodation hall friends who met as a group 1987-88  into a self catering house in Emsworth in 1990 and presented these new found truths, though most were unable to follow any of it. One of those number, eight years later became my wife. Renting Europe's premier self catering house and finding the money to record all the CD including the later tracks in Chichester cathedral and River Studios London were a real test of God's supply, and  also of Him organising the means each step of the way....I mean how do you set about this stuff singlehanded....I'd been used to doing everything together with other Body members....where the shared load meant things happened really quickly. 

Up until 2008, that had been my main Word of faith, that God would bring forth the third level within His worldwide church...BUT and here was my uniqueness... NOT excluding any of the enormous wealth of revealed knowledge of the last 40 years concerning Holy Spirit power, 
namely including the Vision of the Church, the Vision of Praise and Worship and learning the protocols of the Melchizedek order as a New Covenant priesthood. In thisI  felt totally isolated from Norman's actual organisation, Zerubbabel. 

It was as though Norman had got the individual message, the mssage of how God gets his man, like Jacob at Peniel, but was wheeling the message out on a new cart, rather than the Spirit raised up means of local bodies of Christ, within the vision of the Church itself. 

Meanwhile in 1990 I was so disgusted by the House of Lords ruling against UCB radio which had been broadcasting the length and breadth of UK for the first time with a radio frequency that had been donated by the newly liberated Moscow, that as a result the Spirit completely arrested me on this for the next few years. 

I held some local meetings and even set up a small video lending library, but as a now solitary cavedweller!!!! The whole thing seemed futile....until the fruit of the intercession became apparent, but in an extremely odd way as neither party knew what on earth was happening.

 God brought Rory and Wendy Alec of God TV virtually direct from South Africa to my doorstep ( well via a few weeks in South Bromley church)....but ofcourse they were totally unknown and neither I nor they at that point knew why they had been specifically brought to the UK....but they had been brought in response to Christians' cry that God would break through in the media here. 

But,as for me, now having learned more about the Masonic and Luciferian subterfuges that the Illuminati get up to, I now wonder if the TV evangelists were targeted...
either to discover their weakpoints, 
or that they had already sold out to the control of the Illuminati...
or that prostitutes were paid to bring down Swaggart and  Bakker, and already poised in London were the relevant masons to put in place the draconean measures to prevent the UCB Radio from operating, or any others bold enough to try. However at no point has anything appeared to be "set up" and the men appeared to have been caught themselves.

God subverted this whole plan by as usual doing something immeasurably greater in inventing a whole new medium...international sattellite staions which weren't regulated in the same way as UK terrestial media. The new DAB medium was coming in at the same time as the world wide web. 

2008 saw a number of Christian bloggers beginning to appear, as well as a whole tide of men suddenly getting the subterranean urge to join the hitherto female domain of social networking or Facebook and then Twitter. In 2012 I went into hospital for an operation having tossed too many pianos around for 30 years. I gathered some friends together to cover me in prayer...except that 18 months on we are still chatting , praying, laughing, supporting one another in what couldbe said to be a prototype thirdlevel church. We are international. We talk and share round the clock from vastly different time zones. Many of us have come through the same type of things, some haven't been down the same road...but God has used entirely different means to get to the same result....the seeing of Christ as our only life and expressing Himself through us His Vine branches as described so well in John 15. 

 From the time of the Stephen Herzig prophecy which is but one of about 5 similar ones given to me personally I have seen no ministry with as wide a vision as I have personally....until I met Daniel Yordy. Daniel has filled in a lot of the fuzziness for me in my breadth, and in particular in the last 24 months. Rich Novek, I submit to because I see in Him an extremely practical outworking of the Christ as me message, whereas there is something a bit pernickety and Asbergers about Daniel and myself. Rich is just a whole lot better with people. And without people...guess what...there is no church...and no persons by which Christ can express His Life. 

So Edie, in that long reply I hope you can see that long before all of us knew anything, God has been weaving something manystranded, multinational, and very varied together to be able to start powerfully conveying this third room of the House to the rest of the Church. So at present the global Christian scene are currently looking at a small cloud the size of a man's hand, but we all know that it is destined to be a large large stormcloud of blessing yes, but with powerful authority to fit the bill that we have so long prayed for....namely IT IS THE ANSWER TO 2000 years of praying THY KINGDOM COME.