What are new wineskins?

We have never really been able to articulate but it is something like this, and I will use Havant Church and myself just to be specific.
Havant has a "young" pastor that actually isn't that young, but he was converted when the church formed under Peter Stott around 1980. Basically a whole group moved across to Havant church or Portsdown Community church from Leigh Park Baptist church. If you had to scrutinise what the "differences" were from the Baptist Church they would revolve around the open preaching of baptism in the Spirit, and learning to freely follow the Holy Spirit in meetings. Emsworth was much the same. Much spiritual input has come into Havant and over the years many have grown a lot. Peter felt to set apart a man called John Wilbraham and certainly as regards virtually all other churches on earth, John would be considered a good faithful pastor. Until Steve McVey, Darin Hufford, or Paul Anderson-Walsh enter.
Basically all John was doing 4 years ago or so, was reading out injunctions from the New Testament in the manner of a Law Book and calling that preaching.
I addressed him strongly on it....(in the sort of way Paul addressed St Peter) and told him we are not called to run behaviour modification classes, we are called to preach the gospel. A leader's meeting was called.....always way out of the way of the flock, and at a time when I was still having to move my work bookings around to make way for these people supported by the tithe and there all of them agreed I should not say another word in a public meeting. I hung around for several months for the sake of personal discipline, then felt clearly that even prophecies were not being heard and left to minister more on Facebook and blogs.
Now this , as you can see on my blog is among the best churches available today in the UK, but still rooted in Law and Old Covenant believing....yet, yet....with a much greater maturity when it comes to flowing in the Spirit.
They represent much of what is wrong and right with the charismatic move in Britain and the States. The leaders in our churches are mostly secondlevellers preaching to others that have been in that immature way of "seeing" that St Paul upbraids in his letters and Hebrews 6( if it is his.) for a period of simply decades.

The REAL RAW PRESENCE OF GOD  is in the Pillar of Fire and the Cloud, that sits in the midst of 12 GATES,12 TRIBES, 12 Disciples.....BANG in the MIDDLE of the cross tensioning running between all simultaneously.....(Think of how a suspension bridge stands).....
New wineskins are the people of God leaving unflexible wineskins to receive the fresh fullorbed LIVING WINE of God's pure Word again. These verses apply.
Hosea 2:14-15 14"Therefore, behold, I will allure her, Bring her into the wilderness And speak kindly to her. 15"Then I will give her her vineyards from there, And the valley of Achor as a door of hope. And she will sing there as in the days of her youth,
Hebrews 13:12 Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people through His own blood, suffered outside the gate. 13 So, let us go out to Him outside the camp, bearing His reproach. 14 For here we do not have a lasting city, but we are seeking the city which is to come.

The previous Move of God will always have a tendency to settle around the particular Gates of Jerusalem that have been revealed to them. (40 years ago Gerald Coates himself ministered on it under the message title "Pioneers and Settlers".)

These settlers  reduce their revelation down   to mere leftbrain concepts, and this Person of the Living God gets sidelined.The REAL RAW PRESENCE OF GOD  is in the Pillar of Fire and the Cloud, that sits in the midst of 12 GATES,12 TRIBES, 12 Disciples.....BANG in the MIDDLE of the cross tensioning running between all simultaneously.....(Think of how a suspension bridge stands).....
There is no cross tensioning or Living Presence in denominations generally, or the older network churches....and the way to tell is to look out for children moving in the spirit along side all other age groups.
The word for " God has departed" is ICHABOD. So until we have learned to keep the KINGDOM 12 sided Satellite dish firmly in our centre we will continually have need for new wineskins. Facebook Post 10/5/15

John 17- the Vision of the " Church Visible"

Basilia Schlink studied psychology at a very key time in Germany's history and world history. But precisely because she was a born again Lutheran espousing all aspects of evangelicalism including sharing Jesus on the streets she was immediately perceived in Europe as something close to a Southern States Bible thumper with no brain. This is the power of assumption and the great power with which the devil mind controls every man woman and child on earth. Here's some truth. Like Bonhoeffer Nee and many other greats she was so.far into Christ's life she was way beyond anything in America. She openly taught similar to Norman Grubbs Romans 6 to 8 message in her community and created one of the first living communities to share life.together in that level of.belief. In the book Realities and my very own eyeballs you will see that they were actually materialising bits of early Romans 8 in their end of the Universe in Darmstadt. Here's a key....the Gates of Jerusalem, the book of Romans individually and the book.of Ephesians corporately are a cycle.If you conclude the cycle then you get reproduction and on a grand scale. The reason evangelists have such a hard time is two or threefold.....they only carry two-thirds of the gospel and are working with an Ishmael church that likewise never completes God's Word and is a half built Tower and thirdly hidden Masonic activity works ceaselessly to undermine everything they do and laugh mercilessly at the half built towers. If we conclude the cycle then like a lady fertilized in her ovulation cycle....pregnancy Just HAPPENS.....NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!!!

Roll on the Word and Spirit Church prophesied by Wigglesworth .....one with all Jerusalem's 12 Gates up and running.



So precisely because of her psychology studies and her advanced spiritual revelation Mother Basilea Schlink was one of the first in the evangelical world to be aware of the broad outlline of mindcontrol over nations through media and locally through focus groups and methods such as Sensitivity training and Silva mind control formation. It was very hard for us 16 yearolds to stomach in 1974 but what she had already picked up in the Spirit was the yellow brick road of the masonic plan to take over every aspect of life. She would not have known Mengele and the rest were shipped to America by James Bonds Ian Fleming....ready to continue the mind control studies there as shown in Shutter Island (Dicaprio+Kingsley). She would have known some of the Nazi psychology professors by name and studied their more openly published material. Erin Rothschild actually knew Mengele as a father figure as did many of the psychic soldiers in the Montauk project. See Miles Johnstons Youtube Bases series.

Jesus called 12 disciples. HE DIDNT DO WHAT NORMAN GRUBB DID.....which was the evangelical notion of having a seminar once a year and then trying to work it all out individually.
He called forth His Church by the Spirit, spoke Light, and waited for the nuclear fallout between the disciples, when He then spoke more Word. That's why Jesus way of doing things takes 3 years and Norman's way of doing things takes 70 and counting. The church is the Woman that gives birth to the Manchild.
Who is the church? The new Jerusalem compacted together.then scattered when her time is come.





The Union message of people who have read Norman Grubb is OK but it isn't really a Union message.....why? Until it's a full-fledged John 17 or Full Body message it's like masturbation for beginners. The Church is what God is after and the Church reproducing according to the woman and the manchild of Revelation 12 is what He shall get......manifesting now to powers and principalities the manifold (as in full spectrum....visible and offvisible) wisdom of God.



God ignores Romans and jewish Chief Priests. They were the wrapping paper.
No Jesus FIRST CHURCH was the blueprint for all time.
Daily ministry and sharing of lives for a very short period then SCATTER packed with INNER WORD. Very similar to YWAM but with the third part of the gospel of 1 John 2 in which they ignore. People now are like rape victims.
Have you ever tried talking to a rape victim about marriage?
Well people are like this whenever you talk about Church.
Church ISN'T what you have in America. That is called a circus with a ringmaster.
Church isn't what we have in England. That is called a lecture in a mortuary.
So when I use the word Church or called out gathering of the saints according to Hebrews 13.11-13 I am talking of something like YWAM except with mature ministries. People compacted together BY THE LIVING PROPHETIC WORD...."the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy"
Why? If you are all going to be related to the HEAD continually...you'd better be joined up with the Head in the Melchizedek Order to begin with.
Peter's two main Words were....I will make you a fisher of men and upon THIS ROCK (a pun on Peter and His inward seeing of God come in the flesh in Jesus).
If you don't build on the apostolic and prophetic WORD for you, you end up building the disasters called churches in the States and the UK on every street corner and totally acceptable to every freemason Lodge in the world. You can sit there for hundreds of years. You can then sell your building off as a mosque or carpet shop....but one thing you will never have achieved is Revelation 12....and the Woman gave birth to a Manchild and was chased off into the wilderness.
IF YOU ARE A CHURCH RAPE VICTIM...GET HEALED>>>THEN STUDY WHAT JESUS ACTUALLY SAYS ABOUT HIS CHURCH in a locality.

The gospel is a CHURCH WORD.
Please don't read that in your leftbrain.
Here is the leftbrain meaning of that phrase.
The word gospel is a word only used in the context of Church.
No wash your ears out and i will begin again.
The Word of Christ in the gospel is ALWAYS in RELATION to Jesus BUILDING HIS BRIDE in the EARTH.
Any idiot can get saved.
Any idiot can press through Romans in his own life to find Jesus as HIS LIFE.
NO the real CATCH 22 is that there is ONLY ONE JESUS and HE IS A FAMILY JESUS who builds local reflections of
RICH POOR
ALL NATIONALITIES
ALL CULTURAL EXPRESSIONS
ALL AGE GROUPS SIMULTANEOUSLY
THOSE CLEVER IN THEIR LEFTBRAIN BEING MADE WISE IN THE SPIRIT as WELL AS THOSE WHO ARE THICK BEING EDUCATED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A BALANCED BRAIN WAY BY THE BEST TEACHER THERE IS.
These local reflections of the TRINITY AGAPE LOVE are called churches and unlike the ISHMAELS on the present streets...they are BORNE OF GOD'S WORD and are pressing into the fulness of 1 JOHN 2....all 3 stages of Growth spiritually and in corporate form as described in Ephesians. In short like nothing we have ever seen on earth in our lifetime.

Things only started going wrong when.....

Things only started to go wrong with me, and the "secondlevel" churches up a mountain side in North Wales,1987. (Secondlevel churches are churches which believe in God and the Holy Spirit out there somewhere, and that we can get anointing by waiting on God, setting aside an appropriate amount of hours, and going to church enough, ....in short, they are the equivalent to the Pool at Bethesda approach. Like Lourdes, they believe in "places", and "protocols", and "headship and submission" and strangely single apostle pyramids, but they haven't yet paid the price of Galatians 2:20 in their own lives) Psalm 120 decribes the needle we all feel when those who surround us are pushing us in directions we are not happy with. So up this mountain, I did the characteristic psalm 120 thing and yelled at God and blamed Him. Only I did it more religiously than that!! God replied..." What are the others to do with you...how about you? Do you want to follow Me?"
So weighing things up...I said yes I did.
From then on I followed the Holy Spirit doggedly. And the more I did, the more it cut across protocols. Like , for instance, Emsworth apparently had some law about not going to pray for somebody's healing if it was out side their control "and covering".
In being specific here, they are ofcourse nothing out of the ordinary. All this type of thing is listed in the gospels as Jesus followed the Spirit. He also listed His own lists of observations as well which caused a lot of amusement. Lainee Waterfield just had the same thing this morning in Southampton.
If we still walk in Genesis 3 THESE are the FLESH/FIGLEAF/RELIGIOUS symptoms that MUST bleed through. I bet if I followed Canon Andrew White around he'd have the same rubbish. And if he followed me around like my wife does...he'd still find this rubbish still clinging onto me. Basically its squiffy seeing, where we are not moving from CHRIST AS ME. Or as Jesus put it " not ONLY DOING what we see Dad doing." The problem with secondlevel churches is this stuff is now made into protocols. All sorts of laws, hidden and open that are just what Jesus calls human tradition. The Leaven of the Pharisees. They CUT right across the anointing. And they cut right across people living Jesus as them. In fact in Samuel's case and Jesus case the Father got them cutting directly across. Samuel turned up late deliberately for the agreement he had made with Saul. Jesus in John 7 said to his brothers...NOPE...I am NOT going up to the Feast....then DID.
He also, when He heard about Lazarus dying...HE DELIBERATELY STAYED LONGER where He was. WOW.
So are you starting to get it?
One of the functions of thirdlevellers is to OBEY GOD SO CLOSELY we start to expose secondlevellers to themselves. They then have a choice.
To call US NAMES....or to call themselves names!!!! LOL
So apparently one of the names I'm being called at the moment around Havant is "depressed". I'll give them depressed!!!. Once the third level breaks out properly in all the churches according tp the law of Hebrews 13.13 living....we'll find out whose depressed.!!!!!
Psalm 126 says...when the Lord restored the fortunes of Zion we were like those who dream, our mouths are filled with laughter and our tongues with shouts of joy."
I'll GIVE THEM SOME DEPRESSION ICE CREAM to put on their DEPRESSION PEACHES!!!!
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Naïve

So I think I've been a little too naïve
in believing people will follow the Truth all the way into Truth. I've forgotten that there's a whole organisation of demons out there presenting themselves as angels of Light.

Now we CAN trust the Spirit to lead us into all Truth. But do we want the Truth? Jesus said in John 7...If any man's will is to DO the WILL OF THE FATHER He shall (automatically/reflexively/almost by bulk download) know the teaching whether it be of God. Also the New Covenant DOES SAY....and there shall be no need for one to teach his brother...for they shall ALL KNOW ME. But there's just one thing I was forgetting, as I kind of left Gary Sigler and everyone to it....what's that?  There's a STORY that goes along with the WAY, followed by THE TRUTH. And the story I present to you in Rich Novek's testimony. In Annalize Mouton's testimony. In Jesus own testimony in Old Testament phrases and New Testament descriptions; My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?
[b]Far from my deliverance are the words of my [c]groaning.
2 O my God, I cry by day, but You do not answer;
And by night, but [d]I have no rest.
3 Yet You are holy,

For He grew up before Him like a tender [a]shoot,
And like a root out of parched ground;
He has no stately form or majesty

Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
[g]Smitten of God, and afflicted.

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His [h]own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.

Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people through His own blood, suffered outside the gate. 13 So, let us go out to Him outside the camp, bearing His reproach. 14 For here we do not have a lasting city, but we are seeking the city which is to come.


THIS IS THE STORY we WALK....and recognise in one another...
THIS IS THE WAY...WALK IN IT.....This is how God brings us into ALL TRUTH

You want ALL TRUTH? You WANT POWER WITH GOD?
You want to speak the FAITH of the SON OF GOD?
Well, how do you intend to do it if you don't walk in His WAY for YOU?