What is the Revelation 12 sign in heaven saying?

What is the Revelation 12 Sign in heaven saying ? We have reduced the Dragon pouncing on the Manchild to mean replacing the Church or Kingdom with Evil. And yes as we see in media this is happening. But worse from a longevity and subtlety point of view is " replacing " with a foundation the devil owns .

Genesis 3 is the " front of house " false foundation of the independent self .

The Birth certificates are the replacement foundation of the corporation entity known as us in capital letters .

Maritime Law replaces Joshua and the soles of our feet on land with seawater hogwash

Acts of Parliament replace Common Law facts .....acts means they are acted out on no basis whatsoever until we accept them and that makes it legal .

Our signature or name given forms a contract .

Water baptism as conscious entities works in thr opposite direction as it legally establishes the death of the Adamic spirit in Jesus and His right before accusing principalites and powers who say we are still theirs .....to fully enter into us as the Life from above John 6.

Everything is a lot more legal than we ever knew .

Hence Ian Clayton on the  Courts of Heaven .

 Genesis 3 is the " front of house " false foundation of the independent self .

The Birth certificates are the replacement foundation of the corporation entity known as us in capital letters .

Catholicism right down to the charismatic fellowship are the devil's replacement to ecclesia and Kingdom .

Kingdom is run by Christ in the Melchizedek Order.

Third  level  elders / apostles are men revealed before God in Zion ( I assume now third level women too) and they are the 4 Woods roof with holes . Tabernacles are a meme of the single eye perception of what God is doing . This is what Jesus was really modelling .

The devil seeks to build his throne, his version of Melchizedek order. Its bloody and terrible but the public version is like the Olympics or New World order.....a surface appearance of strict order and neatness.

The Gospels Acts and Revelation 12

 

We were designed at two levels , that's why materialism is the great thief .

Nevertheless Jesus spent 30 years getting the natural realm under his belt in the Father .

Then He was baptised in the Spirit and learned the protocols of ' His Master's House / His Abba Father'. He trained a pioneer 12 in Zöe life or heaven originated natural living , and in the brand new priesthood that was not Levitical .

So the 12 learned 30 years of life skills off God come in the flesh plus new Holy Spirit priesthood protocols freshly learned by Jesus, but admittedly down to the wire , with their crucified and resurrected Teacher , in only 42 months.

Ecclesia was this brand new vessel in the earth of 12  1 John 2 father level co -teachers and miracle workers , training the 120 and the thousands of new believers in the new and living way .

This living process which is Revival Presence based just as OT wilderness people were Pillar of fire and pillar of cloud based , is described in Revelation 12 as a Woman being OverShadowed by the Holy Spirit to bring forth a ManChild .

The ' begetting ' is in two forms .

Birthing new born again believers .

Forming  Galatians 2.20 believers this time in their souls as their new spirit man grows into the whole of their life .

The mystery of ecclesia lost for generations is the formation crucible of 1 Corinthians 12.

1. Holy Spirit contributions from all 

2. Holy Spirit contributions from ministries ( 14 types in Pauls 3 lists )

3. Holy Spirit direct operations .

All of this plus communion in ch 11( yup Im puzzled by the headcoverings still ), plus the revelation of how different the Body parts are (1 Cor 12:14-26) are the training in the single eye we lost in Genesis 3.

Who is ready for real ecclesia , real single eye training , real Jesus loving and following , and One Ecclesia under One Head emerging and manifesting in every location ?

Our generation got to secondlevel  churches quite quickly , but we had no thirdlevellers as skilled in zöe living as heavenly protocols .

Coming to Gate 10

 If Kingdom is going to come we have to be able to face God , and Satan has been buttressing our race with his shame from his own delusional separation wrath state . 
As a human race God has positioned us into Sovereignties for our temporary safety but for us to have homeostasis we need to have the keys that are revealed in each culture as well as the Sovereign unlocking keys that Jesus is now Lord , that we can come right out of the Genesis 3 delusion , because Jesus took away sin in the Cross and now as Jeremiah 31 and Ezekiel 36 reveal there is a new and better covenant in the new and living way of God's Spirit .
In order to become whole we are going to need the type of homeostasis that runs through all people cultures . Listen , what is normal in some cultures is not even known in other cultures .
Not all culture is holy. Principalities and powers run their pyramid heirarchies of control through four quadrants of the earth, including tricks like Maritime Rule using mother's birth canals and Maritime Law by rather tenuous shenanigans of language to extend Leviathan's control onto land .
Jessie Czebotar explains this .
Communism /Fascism is an occult Jewish cabal to break sovereignties early , while they are still too attached to Darkness . Former  USSR and now China are pyramid extensions of spiritual heirarchy that are still governed as systems under Satan/ Lucifer who is a Liar , a Thief and a Murderer .
The Church would be the answer if people went like grain into the ground properly and were raised in their souls through the Cross by God Himself  .
There's a being born again .
There's a being baptised in the Spirit .
And there's a Romans 3 to 8 grounding in our souls into what God does as a quick work in our spirits .
Ecclesia itself is a weekly version ....or more often in an Acts group virtually living together which accelerates growth, but only once we are into the ' second diverse ' in 1 Corinthians 12 of multi Jesus grounded elders like after Acts 2.
The Revelation 12 meme is of the Woman , the whole local church entity overshadowing the new Jesus Manchild ....which means new believers coming in , but also an Overshadowing of the Spirit to bring forth Christ in the whole beings of those already new creations in their spirit man .
The centre of the Lord's prayer is a gradual revealing of the 6000 year Matrix pipes holding principalities and powers to the earth . First is the judgment and cleansing of God's people . We have to bend over the Rock and be cleansed lest later the Rock fall on us and crush us .
The Kingdom of God is righteousness peace and joy in the Holy Spirit . Lightness of spirit as we throw off , in our soul former Darkness chains .
Third level people know the mercy of God .Terror at being found out , like the rest of the inhabitants of Jerusalem in Acts , gives way to a surprising mercy , release , an open veil into the Father .
A 1 John 2 co fellowship out of the Father to others still hurting or those not yet knowing about being born again .The very Gates of Jerusalem names in Nehemiah are the Church building sequences in the earth in the Holy Spirit .
Beginning at the Sheep Gate no 1. of our Lamb entrance and us becoming His disciples , we 
have progressed to Gate 10 the Gate of Miphkad which is the reordering of church structure out of the angel heirarchy structure taught to man , and now coming into the 12 elder ' roof with holes ' more tabernacles and Ephesians 1 . 10 infrastructure of people knowing the Lord from the least to the greatest .
The Government shall be on His shoulders means this new way of carrying authority on Holy Spirit priesthood shoulders ....more like a Moses on the hillside with arms raised .
Bishop means overseer . We oversee Jesus operating in His Body .
Miphkad is a Gate in the Spirit . It is not a human restructuring and we hope it works out .
When Christ ascended He gave gifts to men .
Psalm 84 says ....and the men shall be revealed before God in Zion . Until Gate of Miphkad we may have to continue with our king pastors until we mature .

Bible Houses - introduction : What are they ?

 

Bible House mark 1 sold in1981

Bible House mark 2 with current church buildings

( Both houses are in Emsworth , HampshireUK)

Watchman Nee felt to start what we in our churches called Bible Houses . If you are not already aware , Watchman Nee pretty well maps out everything apostolic for the first time  since Bible days . He's missing great power.   His black and white dog story is starting to get towards Norman Grubb , but still far too Taoist a storyline , even though he really lived the foundation of the modern Melchizedek Order rediscovery . His " normal " books are seminal . Release of the Spirit starts to redefine things that don't come across so clearly in Norman Grubb. Sit Walk Stand is the first modern three stage of growth book . Song of Songs comes from teachings of Madam Guyon, Jessie Penn Lewis and Margaret Barber . 

What Shall this Man do starts to break down what Norman would continue in Yes I Am . Ed Miller , Basilea Schlink and Jack Schisler all ministered the first love for Jesus message . Having penetrated the heavens and learned the praise and worship protocols , not just on an individual basis like the Merlin Carruthers books , but as the blueprint for real ekklesia in the order of Melchizedek , Ed's vision for Bible Houses was training people in revival Presence . Sometimes his Bible Houses were the epicentre of the local revivals . Like the vision for IHOP , Ed was all about the seeking God message , waiting upon God . Since the Hebrew for waiting is " active entwining " , or like psalm 84, exchanging strength . Blessed are the men whose strength is in Thee . Bible Houses were the churches first real steps in modern times for the work of the Holy Spirit to " overshadow " people to bring forth the Manchild . This Revelation 12 description is really the Spirit perception of what Jesus was doing . It's what the holy place is . If it was a partical accelerator , it's the splatting engine .....it's the revving room that re engineers what we are in the natural ..... The Bible calls us " you worm Jacob ......you shall be a threshing sledge ". We don't come out of Bible Houses manslaughtering all local villages ....we come out , as 1 John 1 says , with a testimony of Jesus . We have touched tasted , handled this personal Word of Christ that has been spoken to us in many different forms . We have believed upon it until some measure is active in our Word we share . R Edward Miller was AOG , so we trained in praying for healing , facing difficult situations , all the while that our Jacob ....the us that nobody wants to face , starts emerging . And now after Norman Grubb, we should be even more specific than we were in the light of Ed Miller and Jorge Pradas.( Montse Pradas , Nuria Pradas )  

Until our generation there has never been a generation so lasar focussed on what Genesis 3 is and how it operates . Without that Spirit definition we will never get our meetings into the rest of the City. Book of Ezra has to be rolled out into Book of Nehemiah . The carnal world works with only a trowel . We work with a sword and a trowel . Learning to do this takes longer than the world system who are all compartmentalised , all perched on the grand pyramid and all building Lucifer's kingdom . Our sword is unearthing and severing the Satan - I from the operation . Non born again church is the world . It's what occult people call the " good side of the system ", usually with sacrifices being conducted underneath , or after hours or in close passageways near the church building . Born again and charismatic churches don't fully get Romans 6 and 7, and Genesis 3. We are training in Holy Spirit protocols and the gifts of the Spirit ....but if we don't occupy our houses , and that's a Manchild term or a Galatians 2.20 term or a wise virgin with loads of oil term ..... Then we have seen repeatedly what happens with charismatics in history . They get sucked off towards esoterics . Solomon got drawn off to Egypt and magic , and freemasons to this day aspire to his rituals for " gaining help from powers " , read ....being used as an avatar by Satan to move his purposes forward while he tosses a few trinkets your way ......which often includes the rape of innocent lives . 

Until our generation there has never been a generation so lasar focussed on what Genesis 3 is and how it operates .

 All of us have to take our mind to the Cross . The Bible warns us that the message begins in our mouth as sweet like honey , but in the end it is exceedingly bitter .....like a woman in travail . This is when congregations turn back . This is when people become bitter . This is why Jesus says " Abide in My Word because if you do then you are truly My disciples ......." These furnaces burn something ....and when there's nothing left to burn .....things start turning around . If people have some experience of this in Bible Houses or maybe in the future , like Jesus and the disciples , actually as ministry teams .....they will be better practiced at sticking out the real painful bits .

 Two things have to happen .

One . The Bible never says one leader has to take on a whole church's problems . There's no such thing as a modern concept of a pastor in the Bible . It's gross hubris that a man or woman thinks they have the necessary Word to bring through a room full of people in God . God Himself only had 12 . All of us need a whole plethora of ministries, gifts and direct encounter , as well as our whole life training . ( Just to recap 1 Corinthians 12 is gifts , ministries , operations / direct encounters. Paul writes 3 lists of around 14 different ministries ). 

So the first thing is we need many third level elders so we don't have this stupid 70% USA burnout of failed Marvel comic superheroes .

Point two is we pray the Father so He dynamites out workers . So there's a Jerusalem Gate process to get ministry to the third level in 1 John 2 or in power and authority terms to Gate 11, the double portion of Gate 6. Gate 11 is the double portion gate of Ephraim and Gate 6 is the Fountain Gate of baptism in the Spirit . We know Gate 11 exists because we see that mantle on the great ones we write about . John G Lake , Smith Wigglesworth , George Jeffries , Reinhard Bonnke. If not in power gifts , in the train of influence we see Ern Baxter , George H Warnock , Watchman Nee , Hudson Taylor , George Mueller . There's a grain offering . There's an oil offering . There's an acacia box mover and shaker and there's Khavod might and power . Jesus spent 30 years on the acacia box ....or muddy field with the treasure in and 42 months in the baptism of the Spirit and Khavod Presence when He ministered . In some shape or form God directs Bible Houses . Or Bob Gordon's idea of evangelism training on the hoof , see my recent blog post in comments . Bible Houses , like Jesus creating a core , form the core of the future ekklesia in one locality . Monasteries were very ' first level ' . They weren't up to getting people out again . Bible Houses were second level and still too reliant upon meetings . What Jesus was training was thirdlevel and only because He as a man , leaving His glory aside , had trained for 30 years acknowledging God in all His ways and never succumbed to the Genesis 3 fantasy of a self empowered middle man.

Your whole idea of Jesus Ministry is "mooncentric"

A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; 2 and she was with child; and she *cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.

Our idea of Jesus comes entirely from “ moon culture”.
Revelation says of the Bride in Revelation 12 “ the moon is under her feet”
Moon culture is separation , is Genesis 3 duality. God out there somewhere.
So the Catholic idea of Jesus
The Protestant idea of Jesus
The modern charismatic idea of Jesus,though better.... is still coming from separation.
My idea of Jesus is coming from two things.... experience in Him living my Life and the Bible.
See, the garbage preached about particular points isn’t what is in the Bible.
What points?
Jesus actual life and actual ministry.
If you go back and actually read the Bible you won’t find any basis for the crap that is in churches.
Pentecostals believe life revolves around miracles. It doesn’t. Miracles follow after the Word and our priestly ambassadorial ministry.
Ministry doesn’t come by the left brain , it is a gift of the ascended Christ which yes uses all of us and all of our experiences. It doesn’t come from seminaries. It doesn’t give us the right to pastor churches. No man pastors churches. Jesus pastors churches through many apostles many prophets many pastors many evangelists many administrators and many teachers. Jesus can’t trust His precious Bride to one human.
Jesus didn’t do a single supernatural thing until after the baptism in the Spirit . My generation did far more than Jesus at 13. We were blessed in our time period to be in the Jesus Move.
Many kids now are used to singing in tongues at church and laying hands in the sick.
But we are coming from a sin inheritance , Jesus wasn’t . Regardless of how that sin thing works: Kay Fairchild says there is nothing there... just human tradition. I say , no, we are born in the realm dominated by the god of this world , even in the pulls on what we think is our old nature.
The Union crowd. Zerubbabel. Me. Daniel Yordy. And I believe, the Bible, teaches that this lust for “ the independent delusion spirit” IS in the heart of a child. Folly. It is a spirit. But it is a mystery of sin.
When we see the word mystery we know it can’t be defined adequately in the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That goes for all of them. The mystery of Christ in you. The mystery of the Body of Christ. The mystery of marriage between a man and a woman , Ephesians 5, or the mystery of a man and a maid, Proverbs says.
There is no mystery in lesbianism or homosexuality. The mystery is what happened when Adam was put to sleep and the woman was taken out of his side.
The mystery is what happened when Jesus was put to sleep and the Bride was taken out of Him.
The mystery is how non spatial women are when driving
And how non spatial men are when it comes to fridges, shopping and cupboards
I mean how does that even work???
In Union there is a real incompleteness being put back together again.... and this includes Jesus!!!!! Think of that?
The other large lump of poo 💩 is what churches teach about Jesus coming into ministry. Jesus didn’t launch knowing exactly what to do, He followed the Spirit.
Like us.
He was driven into the desert.
At first He refused to do anything at the Cana wedding
At first He mistook the huge following He had for genuine spiritual hunger until the Spirit showed Him the difference and He declares it in John 6.
He did not know how He should do Jewish Feasts. The Spirit showed Him in JOHN 7 that He was the Feast.
He was just too affected by the death of His cousin. The Spirit showed Him He needed a close group.... not only for them.... but it was good for Him too.
Jesus learned on the hoof. He already had the Life, now He had to learn how on earth to share it. This is our challenge as Galatians 2.20 people surrounded by churches and Christians still living in separation.

God's Norm for the Church

Understand we have limited doctrinal understanding but Life mercilessly sorts through us at levels so far untracked by any communities. If you searched out those in the Romford community 40 years on, like all communities everywhere you will find a handful that maybe have joined each other again and are more or less on the same wavelength but most will have been subject to the Life winnowing principle of " one is taken the other left" Sometimes as I said two weeks ago.... It is the community that has short circuited and stagnated.... Sometimes as Paul wrote.... It is genuinely a case of" but they went out from us and are no longer walking with us." Mostly we see a Moses or a Paul or the Desert Fathers being taken off somewhere for their " finishing" school. Emphasis on finishing. But Gods norm is Revelation 12..... That one generation of Spirit Church.....Woman.... Overshadow and bring forth the next ManChild, ready for the next wine skin.

The Church is like Araldite..... It's a two part system at all times.... It is simultaneously the Woman that gives birth and also the Jesus being brought forth . It's crazy talk humanly but in the Spirit this just is so. For other heavenly pictures of Spirit operations read the vision books of Ed Millers daughter Annie Miller.

Sun People nolonger Moon people

Chris Welch I don't mean this in some belligerent spirit , but rather as a thing to meditate on.
In fact the evangelical church and the charismatic churches are built on the glory of the moon, being a reflector of Christ.
But strictly, from John 3 onwards that isn't enough.
And by the time of Revelation 12 it is spelled out extremely strongly. This is where it says and the Woman is clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet.
Because these are things to meditate on , not things to hammer each other over the head with.....
why under the feet?
What else is promised to the woman to be under the feet?
Between you (serpent)and the woman,
And between your seed and her seed;
He shall [d]bruise you on the head,
And you shall bruise him on the heel.”

so there is some commonality between "moon life" and "serpent life"........that which we thought was such a glorious thing to reflect Jesus.....actually isn't quite close enough.

In John 6 Jesus says unless you eat my Body
unless you drink My blood
you shall not have life within you

God winked at former generations
Now the Holy Spirit teaches us the HOW of eating the Body and Blood.....

It's not , in this third level of revelation just enough to eat Mass once a day or Communion once a week or a month, but God shows us how to put off the Old....and LIVE OUT FROM the new seed he has birthed within us.

It has taken me decades to even begin to articulate what I have been doing.....but in the greenhouse of the kind of churches God will be raising....this will be speedily passed on.

Jesus who had lived this way for 30 years....without the hindrance of a faulty starting point, but had nevertheless stayed true against all odds of
Nazareth being a Red Light district on Two world Trade routes
and being called a bastard all His life.....
by 30 when He was actually baptised in the Spirit, he was able to pull 12 nobodies through by the scruff of the neck in only 3 and a half years......though at the end.....things didn't "look good".
Shall we say, unlike most theological teaching centres nobody passed out with flying colours!!!!!!

But in this crisis of brokenness they got to learn firsthand of Jesus life in them.....and they ceased to be moon people and became instead those RADIATING Jesus actual SUN LIFE.

Moon life has separation
Sun Life is ONE THING
It is not I who live but Christ who lives in me, the life i now live I live by the faith of the Son of God.

God moves in Waves

God does things in waves like the sea.
Read the return from Babylon. They returned in waves.
Read Acts....after killing Jesus Jews returned in waves. 3,000 the first day, what was it 4,000 or 5,000 by the next wave in Acts 4.
Then when the Jews smashed up the first church....individuals already had enough LIFE that when they scattered, like dandylion seed they transmitted the Kingdom everywhere they scattered in new churches.
So whether through natural growth and scattering or through persecution and scattering,the Word moves forward in waves.
And so on through all those groups the catholic church have torn out of the history books....the Bogomils, the Waldensians, the Lollards,......down to you dear reader on the internet.
I was lucky to be in an early prototype wave of the Melchizedek Order. This is church run in the Holy Ghost with leaders who are spiritual eunuchs....where many sold their own private houses to buy 12 acres of land and a big house. Where like Acts 2 we could live in Acts 2 style sharing everything.....our very existence. If I didn't sell the gifts(to be sold in UK gift stores/gift trade) they were making in the house.....then we starved. So I learned sales the hard way and God was good, we sold £30,000 worth in 18 months or less, but sadly divided between 20-30 no one got rich. But hey, we were young inexperienced and like the disciples thrown in the deep end.
You haven't missed out. Why? because the next wave every single thing we learned will be rolled out bigger,more comprehensively and with greater anointing. I can get angry about this....but Jesus told a parable. About vineyard workers working all day and then the owner hires more late in the day and pays them just the same. The original hired workers get angry. You have paid them just as much!!!! The owner asks "Did I or did I not keep my word with you?" "Yup"...." Well I am the owner here and the contract I sign with new workers is none of your business!!!!"
In the next wave, it will be normal for everybody to function in the Melchizedek Order.
In the next wave there will be masses of preprepared workers, whereas for our generation you could almost count them on one hand.
In the next wave, the way the Church acts in the Spirit as a womb for the next Manchild/ the next revivalwave, as we see in Revelation 12 will be a normal concept.
In the next wave, the way the Spirit broke us down....both in our individual lives, and in worship settings, that is through the use of gifts of the Spirit.....to strip our false seeing, our figleaves, our worst fears, our poor self image, our addictions, our general independent self DREAMWORLD DELUSIONS...the high speculations of our inner psyches raised against the knowledge of Christ.....
in order that the true Christ Person from before the beginning of time , our Person from above, take root and grow fast.....
all this will from now on be normal.
Everything takes so long now because people are mostly moving in the leftbrain. It's like being told about stereo music but only listening through one speaker. We know it exists but it is still theory because nothing really is stereo.
Ephesians says when each part is working properly ....ie really is stereo....then the Body is joined by that which each joint supplies.
So instead of one preacher/teacher squeezing his bottom out to try and just get one genuinely mature saint!!!!!!
It becomes a doddle because so much Christ is being imparted from all over the place throughout the whole Body.
Quite apart from the 10 days prayer, and also the fact that the 120 had seen Jesus rise into heaven....I mean that helps uh!!!!
The demonstration of the Spirit upon the newly anointed 120 plus the fact that the 12 actually did stand together in Fatherhood authority and actually could stand each other's guts!!!!! (which is debatable on most platforms if you look at elders today with Holy Spirit Xray glasses on)....this yes....was a DEMONSTRATION of LIVING LETTERS that could be read by all.
You didn't need posters, and music bands, and newspaper ads....because this stuff was so real people felt and saw it.
This is what a wave is.
It's the Jerusalem 9th Gate open day....the Eastern Gate.
It's the direct equivalent of the FEAST of INgathering in the third Jewish Feast of Tabernacles which has all these component feasts.
This is revival.
It's natural childbirth.....it's not induced labour....or Caesarian section by Rome!!!!!!
You don't need to fake God's waves....you get on a surfboard and just hope you can hang on!!!!!!

• A colour blind man thinks he is seeing colour like everybody else until it is pointed out to him.
• A person with one ear thinks he is hearing stereo like everybody else until he gets his other ear working
• Jesus said repeatedly He that has ears to hear let Him hear
• If you listen to Spirit people and all you can hear is rather simplistic leftbrain facts and illustrations, it means your spiritual ears are not bored out yet. You think you are hearing...but you are only hearing on a surface level.
• Faith comes by hearing....and HEARING (itself) comes by direct access/confrontation with the Spirit Word of God Himself.
• If a man is preaching in what Paul calls the futility of the mind....basically leftbrain stabs in the dark at what it attempts to build of the edifice of truth.....then nothing of Spirit just happened and you get a continuation of the last 2000 years of stagnant stone church worship....no increase of faith, of revelation, of impartation, and exponential growth. God's harvest....like human families...grow exponentially because God's Seed gives birth to REPRODUCTION machines.
• Man forms idea movements which peter out.

The Revelation 12 Dragon Pounce through history

Revelation 12 describes how when the ManChild is born, God's breakthrough, God's New thing,God's own Child form for that particular Age, the Dragon, the devil is poised already to pounce on it. It doesn't get the Child, as we saw with Moses and Jesus.....they are whisked away...but the original wineskin or Woman by which the Child came gets pushed off....and revelation doesn't say this but what we see is that a Madame Tussauds stuffed version is put in its place.....wired up to the world system:
The original Church under Jesus Christ direct in local churches taken over by Catholicism and ruled by one man the Pope in a pyramid.
Education...Oxford and Cambridge and monasteries, 18thC Church schools....becomes State system
Science was mainly in the province of Christians because Christians understood God had made an ordered universe and proceeded investigating on that basis. Prieure de Sion through the Grand Master Newton soon worked on that, and within 100 years The Royal Society was run by atheists and has been ever since, bringing in every which theory just as long as it doesn't include Creation.
The Quakers, disallowed from British society for believing in the writings of St Paul as opposed to the bastard institutions of Catholicism and Anglicanism, then found their own successes in chocolate firms and the start of the Industrial revolution at which point House of Rothschild took notice suddenly, changed the farming laws and drove people into cities.
Boys Brigade was pushed aside to run the new thing Scouts by the pedophile Baden Powell
Temperance Movement pushed aside, and Jessie Penn Lewis's 12 steps stolen and made secular in AA.
Hospitals were pushed aside and taken over by the State system , whose financing included drugs to be bought from certain pharmaceutical companies related to? Yup....the Elite.
Church related co ops and networking became the occult run Rhodes Rotarians and Round Tables.
Freemasonry was once about stones and bricks, but was taken over by the occult and made the main vehicle for structuring all world events. Juri Lina Architects of Deception.
Gnostic knowledge,always the preserve of the few, is always the secular version of God's own deeper truths. Before our age it was never relevant to many, because most did not ever progress beyond linear thinking, my BOX 1.
Gnostics and New Agers have terms for the present manifestation of things and the higher level is one where everyone decides to live service to others instead of service to self. Norman Grubb's Self for others and self for self spirit. It's like demons read God's script and then transmit their "secular version". EXCEPT FOR THIS
We saw this rivalry of the two Kingdoms in Moses facing the wise men, astrologers and magicians in Egypt. This is meaningless to the present world, because everyone lives in the secular goldfishbowl where there is no magic....or so they have been told, to keep anyone from knowing how to control their lives.
SURE there's magic. It's called demon power, fallen angels, or Holy Spirit Power Spirit and Life. But in order to keep you on a hamsterwheel they have told you that everything is secular cause and effect.
Well the Moses story makes it clear there is no rivalry where God is concerned. One reason by the way...."if you MUST decide to progress....then you must think of the Bible as a myth and come into our lovely clutches" say the demons.
No the Bible is very clear. God's power is greater and we see this later in Daniel where he actually sees the time period where the ROCK comes smashing down on the feet of the evil world empire and the whole facade and illusion of the Madame Tussauds electrically wired stuffed exhibit comes crashing to the floor, never to rise.
God's word says....As surely as I live all the earth will be filled with the Knowledge of my Shekinah, my glory, as the waters cover the sea.
There are a couple of thin facades covering the glory. Firstly linear thinking and the false secular veneer. Then if you make it through that, Gnostic knowledge of self and "magic processes"....which are really in the realm of fallen angels. Grand Masters, evolved humans....nothing more than demons who have lived for thousands of years and know our creation backwards. This is what the Bible calls the second heaven....with squatters in. Principalities and powers in high places. The millions of gods worshipped by Hindus and other natural peoples.Basically appeasement religion.
Or in religions with less gods or one god, they refer to ancient hybrid lore where demons penetrated human kind. The former giants and heroes of legend.
Can you imagine like Moses driving off all the wise men?....a time where all falsehood is driven off the earth? This is what Ephesians 6 is saying. Not the occasional breakthrough of praying for Obama or Hilary Clinton's cough.
The Gates of hell shall not prevail against My Church, My congregation.
Who are Jesus congregation? The Sheep who are actively moving with the Shepherd.
Those who follow the Spirit these are the sons of God.
and The Spirit is like the wind which blows this way and that and no man knows where it goes, and so are all those who are born of My Spirit.

2 Building Techniques

Corporate living as Christians or anyone for that matter(read about the New Age community at Findhorn, and see the faces of your average nuns and monks) doesn't work without Norman Grubb's message, which is Paul's message and Jesus message....but Jesus wasn't in a situation to be able to explain it best.....so He carried on lecturing through Paul.
So I always tell the Union folk there are two Biblical models and the Church....the proper one...is God's real method in Rev 12
1. Method 1....most saints so far
The Hewn out secretly in the quarry method

Then at the right time the Holy Spirit glides you together and you function seamlessly..... we saw protoypes in Fort Lauderdale bunch (to begin with).....and here in the 1970s London housechurch leaders...(to begin with). (The picture of stone slabs cut perfectly away from the Temple site then put together with no noise)
Method 2.
The Jesus and the disciples method.
The rattling of bones for 3 years
Painful....but quick
Has to be a thirdlevel church.....because first and secondlevel churches don't "get" the depth of the Romans 6 and 7 excavations
They are far too naive....like Peter's statement
I will never betray you Jesus
Jesus said you will.....and all before the cock crows....in other words....you won't even make the night out!!!!!!

On lies and history

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There is a youtube of the history of Islam and it makes clear that the same Venetian Old Money that financed slavery and helped Islam spread into Spain, is the same money that centuries later, upon hearing of the wonderful findings of precious missionaries who laid down their lives and visited Gold Coast and other parts of Africa, knew the continent was ripe for exploitation.
Two principles have always guided the "love of money" which truthfully asserts that it is the root of all evil. Darkness believes in Divide and Rule.
It loves neither Jew, islam nor Christianity, but as in the Rise of islam, if they can use one house to kill another, then wheedle themselves into the catastrophe they will. Secondly , as it says in Revelation 12....for every GOD DEVELOPMENT in the earth, they will pounce on its source of strength...be it a new system, a new discovery, a source of wealth and subsume it into their system. So, also Black slavery was born, and to outsiders and the perverted history of schools, (presided over by the same forces incidentally),it appears that "missionaries brought slavery".
The East India Company is regularly referred to by "whiter than white" BBC in a fond and important manner, but as history becomes more purified and less perverse and England's history is exposed, history largely becomes a simple question of..."Was the East India Company involved in this?" if the answer is yes....then you almost don't need to trace the resultant degradation , mayhem, and destruction that surrounds every "occult" act they were a part of. THE ONLY BOATS available to Hudson Taylor were East India ones perverting China with opium. Because English people are only taught cursorily about England's own crimes, nobody has a clue why Chinese people should speak with so little expression to English people. WE SMASHED UP THEIR BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY WITH OPIUM ADDICTION.
Those occult wheelers and dealers of the East India Company were also the financiers behind Karl Marx....so when they commissioned this sponger of a fellow who lived off the rich all his life to write the Communist manifesto....they told him....oh and don't forget to put in the phrase about " religion is the opiate of the people...just for the Chinese!!"
What did they mean? Well the Chinese got the reference immediately. Except it was their" blooming" ships(East India Co.) that had to transport Hudson Taylor who is really the father of the modern house church and underground movement there today. Satan always makes sure Jesus gets the blame for his own slugtrails. Luckily the thousands upon thousands of genuine Christians in China who understand the lie, and come to visit Hudson Taylor's birthplace here.....completely confuse the ignorant British Council in Barnsley....
who go
"Hudson Taylor....who is he?"
You foreigners have to realise that British people don't know of atrocities they have committed, nor do Americans. They simply are not taught them.
Brits have no more understanding of Christ and God's purposes than the Jews had when Jesus arrived.
Brits don't know about Hudson Taylor, CT Studd, Norman Grubb and poor Americans don't even know about George H Warnock.
Brits only know what the BBC tells them and Americans only know what CNN and Fox tell them. Outside that they know nothing of true history, of how God is working His plans out exactly as He said He would thousands of years ago. Poor Brits think in terms of Anglican and Catholic churches and maybe the odd happy clappy one. Considering I live 3 miles from one of the earliest church buildings on planet Earth , the people of Bosham West Sussex are some of the most stupid intelligent people to have ever existed. They are very rich by English standards but have absolutely no knowledge of Christ and His ways. If anybody is in anyway semi interested in Christ they have to go to the next town, which is Chichester for the only half baked church near them. That is a church that covers some of the first two levels in Christ.

Mr Newman

Adam and Eve partook of a spirit primarily....the spirit of death....but it was sold and packaged as an idea which today is called.secularism.....then it was "be independent like a God in your own right." Why would the devil " give of his substance" so liberally? Does he love man? Man was given the rule of this planet. It's the rule of this planet that the transaction was about. Entities from another realm have to use man as their avatars to dominate this realm. Eventually through transhumanism they wish to do away with the middle.man.....but even now they are a long way to their goal by eliminating spirituality and the recognition of spirit , while locking us into only 5 animal senses. They themselves seem to use somewhere around ten or 11 senses and so find dominating us easy. By selling us one positive reason for a development but hiding 6 reasons that favour their goals, they have managed to take over the Royal Society completely with Richard Dawkins and are implementing all their next steps. From creating dams to control the world's.water.....to using Monsanto to control all the. World's.food.supply. All under the guise of positive developments.

Woman gives birth to Mr Newman

If Adam and Eve partook of a spirit primarily packaged as an idea, that brought death to us....you can see how accepting Christ.....though the devil label this as another idea....isn't at all either. It actually is eternal Life and it takes us right out of the other realm of death. Revelation 12 shows that the true Church of all these new containers of Life is herself two things at once on earth. Just as the old Adam was.

Adam was a man.....but in fact out of him came a "womb man" that gave birth to the new race. The church is both too. She is a Womb man who gives birth to a Manchild but now things work in reverse since the New man is first and pre eminently heavenly and our forerunner is in heaven....King Jesus. So this Manchild when born has to hurriedly be caught up in the Spirit with God in the heavenlies where it's true life is. Ephesians 1 and 2 are almost entirely about this download of heavenly information that the new manchild needs. The devil is crouching right by the woman to pounce on the manchild. He drives the true Church off into a wilderness where the church puts on another wineskin to begin the whole birth cycle again. In its place is left something that is then haunted like.jackals.....a kind of counterfeit church of people who after a generation or so only see after their human eyes. They call.it a church....but it is of course long since being the church of sons blown here and there by the Spirit.

Not very different from history

Yesterday I was thinking how massive a cleft was hewn through Israel at the time Jesus lived. The Romans were literally in power using Herods as satraps or local kings. The presence of centurions was obvious ....one features in the gospels. Crosses for.crucifixion spoke constantly of what happens with infringement. You could see them prominently on the hilltop by the municipal waste dump outside the walls of.Jerusalem.
Ezekiel 28 may describe other periods but it certainly fits right now.
1. Sidon is actually the area now known as Tel Aviv.
2. Someone like unto but a million times richer than King of Tyre....does.control trade and much of world commerce and.shipping.....and Did set up the State known as Israel....and currently is reported as owning 80% of the land space.
3. There is a plan afoot to rebuild the Temple at Jerusalem and.install and enthrone a Messiah there.
Ezekiel 28 is a warning chapter. It does not recognise this first Kingdom as Israel. Orthodox Jews don't either. Even though they live there and also expect a Messiah.
So this is all to say that however good or.bad Netanyahu's 're election is.....and however mixed up this present state of Israel is.....so was Israel when Jesus was alive. And into that very mess He lived and spoke the eternal message of the only one Kingdom.....the kingdom of God made incarnate in flesh.
John was aware of the parallel with Genesis 1 one he wrote....just as God spoke let there be Light when everything was tohu bohu chaos.....so the Light has shone again into the mess through the same One who was there in the beginning now in human form. And into this our age God is speaking the same message of Light as described yesterday in Annie Miller's vision of the wave of pure Light.....which describes the message of Revelation 12....a church which has put genesis 3 separation delusion under her feet, and is now clothed with the source of all Light....not the sun literally but the Son of God in all His glory.
There is such a thing as house of Rothschild and the solar cult. They call their "morning star" Lucifer ....bringer of Light and confuse him at least publicly, with the description of Jesus as the Morningstar. Starbucks collects money for the programme of the Solar cult. A Temple to Apollo.....he of the Solar cult.....has been built in the last few years in the grounds of Waddesdon Manor....quite openly....no one of course realising how central to operations this is.
Into this world at this time do.we speak the true message of the morning star rising in our hearts.....Jesus Christ.
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19 March at 06:47

Another Look at Annie Schissler's Wave of pure Light prophecy

The Wave of Pure Light
the original is here
While being just dedicated to love and worship Him again, He snatched me towards the spheres of light. When He received me in His presence, He invariably does it with those ineffable words that bring such peace and so deep security; He tells me: ‘DO NOT BE AFRAID’.

I know that I would not be able to enter His Cloud of Glory if He did not give breath to me with His greeting, since the reaction that provokes the taking part in so high spheres of glory and holiness is tremendously overwhelming. He has to protect me from the effects of such grandeur and refulgence, for if it were not in this way, I would be devastated and I would not be able to stand it. He also covers me in His Cloud when He shows me His operations for this hour.

With tremendous strength and demonstration of purpose, The Lord talked to me about a great “now” when He would be gathering multitude of souls. In contrast with His chosen in whom He had been performing a profound work, this new operation would be carried out in a completely exposed way and with great clarity.

God showed me a new and extraordinary wave of heavenly pure light and life that He is accumulating to prepare the manifestation of the Great Harvest,that will develop underneath the storm of evil which is forming. He told me that He would not wait or retain this wave anymore, but that He would proceed to manifest it because His great “now” had come. While being released by Him, it would flow over the earth, returning multitudes of souls to the fold.

This new wave, full of powers and forces of light and life, was His instrument and had a double function: one opened as the incision of a sharp sword, and the other penetrated and went through beyond all defense and accomplished what God had proposed.

More about the wave of light
In this new occasion The Lord told me: “you will see now”, and immediately I looked and I saw a new and mighty pure wave of power that had began to work under that terrible storm of darkness of evil and persecution. While the storm of darkness still followed its course, this new wave of so pure light and life that had been prepared for this hour, suddenly started to expand in an explosive and magnificent way.

He showed me how this new wave operated: there were like gigantic arms that collected in an increasing scale countless multitudes of souls for Christ. In amazing operations of God, in great power and strength, thousands and millions were taken for Him.

However, there were differences between the levels and conditions of these souls that the wave of light had reaped regarding the elect ones who walked above the storm. The elect ones were obviously superior in development and light, but despite their inferior condition, the souls that gathered under the storm were more numerous and were equally precious to the Lord and He was especially interested in the harvest of this multitudes. With great joy and power He was intensively working to fulfill this.

The inferior condition of the new ones was detectable not by their appearance, but by their relationship with God. Those who walked above the storm had a very intimate relationship with Him, characterized by a great intensity, as if they were linked with the same fires and torrents of the divine nature.

When the new ones took abundant blessings from God, it was due to the fact that they rebounded from His chosen ones. The blessing of one had an impact as a blessing for another one.

Clearly the operation of God in this wave of light developed in the chosen ones through the purity and the holiness. This wave of pure light was working in the midst of great darkness underneath the storm. He showed me a especially terrible and gloomy area that offered no promise, where the wave had not reached yet.

Then He made me see that this light would expand in places where it had never been before and where the darkness had reigned without opposition. These places were many and were awaiting the manifestation of this work.

He said that He would take this marvelous wave of light and life to a certain state of development - up to the same threshold of its explosion. Although He desired this wave to burst in in this explosive force of purity, something was still missing for this to happen. The moment of the explosion would be precipitated and lit by the elect ones who were above the storm.

Each one of them individually, had to open as if it were a door inside them and they also had to enter an even higher place of communication with Christ, which at the same time, would open their inner doors to the manifestation in great power of this force of light.

While opening these doors, that great wave of light would pass through them and would start to accomplish its purposes and works over the land of the final harvest. Although this wave, full of extreme power and force to the reaping, would gather multitudes, it would however gradual and progressively advance, taking its territory as long as the chosen ones moved forward and opened the doors to the new ones.

The ones who were under the storm, though they received great provision of light and life that God shed, nonetheless they were allowed to be moved, shaken and buffeted. However, through this, it would be provided the way in which the Lord would mold, transform and develop them. On the contrary, those who were above the storm of darkness, that is, the elect ones could not be shaken as they were rooted and asserted in their relationship with Christ

He told me that these sons that would give way to this new wave, must be extremely purified. This purification is of fundamental importance, not only for themselves, but also for these new ones that will be gathered. This high, complete purification of the elect ones is equivalent to the opening of the doors inside them that will rebound in a force of great life and light to those thousands that are still in darkness.
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This is Acts 2 on acid.
Without the 12 apostles and the 120 gathered opening the doors of.their hearts to the Holy Spirit to Christ righteousness.....to unity....there would have been no crucible to hold and reflect God's glory on the Day of Pentecost. But without the 12 prepared ones......punctured by Word over the course of 3 years....Without Peter James and John willing to go up the mountain where Christ was transfigured.....there would be no core for the rest of the 120. I think even this vision is slightly convoluted.....everything is about Light and the working of that Light upon our souls. Christ overshadowing.....Christ events. But as we see with the disciples.....you haven't got to be that good....you have to just be willing to let them happen to you. Bind the festival sacrifice to the altar......etc. Everything within us reacts to God's Light and Life. This is why the Israelites pushed Moses on up the mountain saying....you go up.for.us. This vision is saying No.....some people somewhere have to have Light within them.....not just any light....the Light as of the Son of Man. And not reflected Light such as the moon.....but like Revelation 12....a woman clothed with the sun.....clothed with Light Source....but here on earth. 
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18th March 2015 18.01

The Church isn't Lo Here

And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.
This verse explains why the devil is able to hoodwink every successive generation that God is a loser.
This verse in Revelation 12 shows God's method as opposed to Man's method and Satan's method in building church.
Every revival comes and catches up people into God...the ones that remain are largely the "visible shambles" you see about a generation after a revival has swept through. We as material based...or flesh based humans...( we see after the flesh) we look at buildings, we look at people's customs, at aging congregations....
but nothing of that has anything to do with God's actual work which is inside human beings that are caught up in the Spirit to live and work in step with Him.
People look at the Welsh Revival and assume it was a failure. No , the bit you see may look like a failure....the bit that wasn't got caught up in God and formed all the next generation of churches and the next moves of God all over the earth. (I'm not sure if it's related....but there are for example a whole bunch of Welsh sheep farmers in Argentinian Patagonia.)
We only see the fossilised shells....by virtue of its nature we humanly at least, cannot see "a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne." Yet to all who walk caught up in the Spirit....this is the reality of how the Kingdom leading edge works.

Picture ONLY:  Tin Tabernacle Emsworth

In 1980 I was handed a key of a little Emsworth pentecostal Hut opened by Smith Wigglesworth. She was the last member. The work had died. The shell was dead. I handed the key onto my church elders. But the truth is i was already working on the next key....Thirdlevel Church...the sort they had in Acts 2 and which birthed us all. But nobody could look at me even now and say I have anything. Jesus' brothers had to have miracles rammed down their throats before they "saw" and "recognised" their very own brother. Jesus looked...errrr... normal. He had lost His Catholic halo clumsily one day while planing wood and without that His brothers had no chance!!!!
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Airbrushing


It's obvious all history is airbrushed if you think about it. If real life is actually way more spikier than the way we relay it to other people....(actually because spiritual stuff is going on, and because secularism has no handle on spiritual stuff it airbrushes it out...."cos it doesn't fit") then you can bet your life the stuff we were taught in schools is the basic framework only with all the visceral lifeblood sucked out of it. 100s of years on, the religious wars look like wars of ideas only. These were wars over lies and truth. Lies that you could buy your personal salvation. Lies that you could flagellate yourself into God. Most of the Balkan Wars in history are secretly the Catholics intent on exterminating all remaining direct Christian links with St Paul's original churches, but in schools this is taught as bland random whims of different upstarts. If history is blurred, then people are numbed to the reality of God and truth in the earth. They also are encouraged in the belief that historical figures were generally idiots and how lucky we are that we have evolved.
Hmmmm....like to see modern people writing the great works of philosophers without previous precedent?

Chris Welch
17 March at 13:18

More information about the history of the young men at Emsworth Church


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The Kingdom is not lo here or lo there.....

So about the time.you describe Bill Johnson's Bethel church as the Epicentre....it has either become the new Ichabod....God.is absent....or perhaps they are further round the Jerusalem gate cycle to a very dry phase....like.err...the Valley Gate and the Dung Gate.
But this not" lo here nor lo there" thing works in reverse too. So about the time you have labelled someone as the pit of hell....God's redemptive work has been going on there too!!!!
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15 March at 09:04 ·

The Spirit and the Bride say Come

Baden Powell

If things were linear the Kingdom of God materialising out of heaven would be at a constant rate appearing like Dr Who's Tardis very steadily...even that flickers!!!
Everything in Creation is cyclic and tidal, or in and out like breathing.
The inward world governs the outer world.
 Romans 8 gives us a picture of the world screaming in childbirth and the painting "Das Geschrei" "The scream" by Edvard Monch depicts this subterranean form of CRY that we feel deep within.
There are KINGDOM lulls. There was 400 years of nothing spectacular between the two Testaments in the Bible...between Malachi and Matthew.
If you want the kingdom to materialise for you, you have to join in the Spirit's cry through you...FOR IT.
Romans 8 again......cries too deep for words.
People think the Spirit and the Bride say Come in Revelation is to Jesus to come back. They mix up 22:17 and 22:20. Or perhaps the Americans have a different Bible. For the rest of the world who are caught up with the actual plan of God this is the Spirit's Cry through the Bride for more children.For more materialisation of the Kingdom. As soon as some materialisation is here....or birthed....while Satan is still at large here, he chases the genuine Son off to the desert, then rigs up a naturalistic copy. This is why in every revival you must quickly learn to "Ride like the Wind"....for the wind blows where it wills and it is difficult for the devil to quantise the co ordinates. If you don't, like the Catholic Church you become the Snow Queen's fossilised relic. "And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.
5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, .....
Some "God things" taken over completely......
Hospitals taken over by the state and manipulated in ways we don't fully know yet but are slowly emerging on Youtube
Education.....Oxford and Cambridge....originally centers of Christian tutelage and "discipling" as well as knowledge and learning. Harvard was actually evangelical.
All three are central to preparing future New World order operatives and leaders.
Industrial Revolution...largely pioneered by Quakers because they weren't allowed by then in Oxford or Cambridge...but then taken over by the Bloodlines to become forever the "dark Satanic mills" in the hymns.
Preaching the gospel to Africans, especially the West Coast. The Bloodlines ascertained the knowledge of minerals and resources then instead enslaved or sent away as slaves the populations. (Foremost has always been the involvement of the Venetian Old Houses/ bankers and East India Company)
For each of Satan's deathgrips has come a God answer raised up through the intercession of his people. The mass overcrowding of cities brought about by the Bloodlines changing the landlaws to make farming prohibiitve, brought social chaos.
The Temperance movement which then through Keswick and Jessie Penn Lewis led to the 12 Step programme, was taken over by the Bloodlines to become Moral Rearmament and the secular or vague Masonic Higher Power thing it is today.
Boys Brigade was leading many boys to Christ. The bloodlines wheeled in a murderous pedophile banned by Victoria until her death by the name of Baden Powell to set up scouts, and instead to herd the boys and groom them to be mown down in trenches by their new invention the machine gun.
The Holy Spirit Movement began the real release of many individuals to live fully and freely. So just as fast, the recent Freudian discoveries of "our internal world" were wheeled out to divert the gaze of a very interested world.....especially after world war. Both wars plus atheistic communism and then Auschwitz in particular were a deathblow quite literally to people's rising faith and hope in the Pentecostal outpourings. Eventually Pentecost moved into the existing churches into which my generation crashed....having by now no particular interest in church at all. None of our generation could have understood how we were manipulated out of the limelight, because at this time no one understood the the infrastructures unearthed by Fritz Springmeier which secretly prevent anything to do with the Holy Spirit taking hold but for one 30 minute watered down version in BBC Songs of Praise and a much muzzled Black London Community Gospel Choir. Not one of us understood how everything we attempted was blocked.

A Woman Clothed with the Sun - Oliver Bob Lagumen

Oliver Bob Reyes Lagumen Facebook   (You can read Oliver Bob's earlier experience here)
Time check is 6:24 A.M. but at dawn today the Lord woke me up with a message. And the message is Revelation 12. He reminded me how that in my ASCENSION EXPERIENCE, i was one with the power of the Sun, I went to pray where I was laying down and finally went out of the house.
Before I went out the house, I was just meditating in my bed and he revealed to me everything that I needed to know at the time. He verified that in this experience, how that I was indeed one with the power of the Sun and the glory of the universe.
Now, this is what the Father has unveiled: Logos-consciousness has revealed to me that the book of Revelation is the book of identification. Indeed it is the book of manifestation, because it is the book of identification. The Spirit of The Word revealed to me that anyone who DO NOT WISH TO IDENTIFY himself with "THE WOMAN CLOTHED WITH THE SUN", can not be identified with THE MANCHILD ON THE THRONE!
Anyone who will not be identified with the weakness of that woman, can not be identified with her strength. Anyone who refuses her Son, the Sun of righteousness, can not be identified with the Healing in her wings, and anyone who will not embrace her as God's wife, can not be identified with the Holy City (her children).
The mind of God revealed to me that she is the MOTHER LOGOS, the soul of creation, even the mother of creation! She is your soul restored into glory. She is you. When God made man in his image after his likeness, she consulted her within himself and man came into being, in fact none in creation came out into existence without being begotten from within her womb!
I have experienced all of her wonders in my ASCENSION EXPERIENCE and behold she is coming down out of heaven from God and from the throne of Godship to INHABIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD in the glory of the Father!
So now, I am seeing myself in THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE OF REVELATION 12!
Time-check is 6:50 A.M.
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Chris Welch Now you understand why the devil wanted to rip that little Thread of ours apart, for without this firm belief and understanding we bring forth the wind. Instead the devil like a serpent waits anxiously at the birthplace to chase after the Manchild. He waited anxiously trying to kill Moses the first Deliverer. And all those babies died.
He waited upon the birth of the True Deliverer Jesus and tried to slaughter Him too. And all those babies in Ramah made it a place of weeping. And in every country on earth he is doing his best to kill babies in abortion and reduce the population lest we ever be strong numerically and spiritually and finish the job that was lacking in the afflictions of Christ and dispatch him off the face of the earth.



Chris Welch continues
The writing that OLB has just posted is SO KEY. It is our distinctive. Maybe some of you haven't got to this point. Well we are not saying these things to be special, we are saying these things to define where the power of our believing needs to be.
You can be a Union believer, believing in the Exchanged Life at the Cross, but there is something more here. This is how St Paul expressed it, and it is the distinct message that Daniel Yordy, now Oliver Bob Reyes Lagumen , Annalize Mouton, myself, Rich Novek and many others now believe. "so that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places".
Many believe the word of Paul here but they don't believe the specificity of either our exchanged life, that is Christ our only Life, nor that there could ever be a church who lived that out corporately. Revelation 12 says quite clearly it is so. She is like the SUN because such a community now has Christ Consciousness by virtue of the Cross in HER SOUL. We are nolonger like the moon "reflecting the light of the sun", we are the Son in the Earth. "As He is so are we in the Earth."
We nolonger live in separation,ln a Genesis 3 world believing we have a separate life. No such separate life ever existed....truly it was always satan's own empowering in such a masquerading daily form none of us noticed...but it affected in some way everything we felt, everything we thought, how we acted and how we spoke!!!! So not much then?LOL
But this Revelation 12 SUN is not me. Is not you. It's US. It's a New thing in the Earth. It's a woman covering/ giving birth to a MANCHILD. This dual REALITY is the CHURCH in the earth.
Now some LOCAL PRACTICS.....that need to be spoken.
IN 1976 in a cowshed in the Dales, outside Harrogate a people specified before God that they were this MARY....THIS SUN...THIS WOMAN...and solemnly before God and the particular called apostle of God, Ern Baxter....that we may, like Mary not understand it, but we said yes to the Holy Spirit....BE IT UNTO ME ACCORDING TO YOUR WORD. And on that pure foundation many hundreds of fellowships and churches spawned. LOCALLY....we have two such churches.
The Apostle Jorge Pradas spoke the same "specificity" over a charismatic prayer meeting and said...What are you? A Fellowship or the Church of the Living God.
A fellowship can mean anything. Take it or leave it. You can be adulterous. In, out, like some kind of bigamous marriage....OR you can be the CHURCH of the Living God. The sad thing about Emsworth Church is they NEVER had defined teaching on WHO THEY WERE as individuals. And eventually, a bit like the church of Galatians they became more and more nebulous in the specificity of their believing, and then renamed themselves NEW LIFE CHRISTIAN CHURCH, but not necessarily continuing in their inner believing as to what their identity was.
I then attended Havant Church for 12 years, but they too would not be pegged down according to who the Bible says they are.
Without BOTH specificities of believing Revelation CANNOT OCCUR. We give birth to the wind. Our sons and daughters leave. Like Israel we become just an empty shell, infrastructure and a name, but not having the POWER TO BRING FORTH.
Here is the magic that St Paul found.
A People who believe in their new identity in Christ.
A People who believe in their NEW IDENTITY...not as a human club...But the Revelation 12 Vison of the Church....the new thing...the woman covering a man or manchild....HAS the ability within Herself to bring Jesus forth. However i looks to the natural eyes. Jesus being born out the backside of a very busy inn, in a stable, in a cow trough didn't look any more promising than today's church of active believing saints....being born here and now on Facebook of all places and many other weird places on earth. (One such recent birthplace was a mafia style controller of pimps and prostitutes in Reykjavik Iceland suddenly waking for nights afraid for his own soul and then a church formed round him).....
The other things aren't really churches....they may even be baptised in the Spirit...but they are not believing what the Bible says about them, nor believing what the Bible is saying about how a true church functions....so they reap the wind. They may sell Cds, Conferences, may have healings like Aladdin rubbing their lamps, but they don't have SUN consciousness, they still have moon separation consciousness, and anyone living with them can see it. So they reap the wind. Their children leave them "for other nations".

Away with the False Luxury of Fragmentation

I am now going to say something radical...church wise.

For 2000 years we have lived in the total luxury of a false realm in the church.

Acts was NOT like this. The Ephesians blueprint is so far from this I wonder any church on planet Earth has the cheek even to open any of its pages.

Slightly more obscurely, but you will see this clearer and clearer.......

THE FIRST THING. Got that.

THE FIRST THING that the returnees from Babylon did with Nehemiah and Ezra at the helm.....WAS RAISE every single WALL, and REBUILD ALL 12 GATES of Jerusalem. Google the GATES you will get 9 to 14 Gates....so some Jew somewhere will know about that....I am speaking by the Spirit in terms of total blue prints...probably 12 Gates.

Anglican and Catholics regard themselves as presenting a full blueprint of Christianity. Both, it is true have even allowed a measure of Holy Spirit movement within their borders.....but if I tell you that accounts for 2 only, of the GATES, the Fountain Gate...one off special baptism into the Holy Spirit...followed by the endless infillings and flow of walking in the Spirit represented by the Water Gate, you begin to get an idea how big church life is.

So if there are 12 Gates, how many sides are there to this gospel? How many sides or faces of Jesus to make a whole picture? There were 4 sides to the tabernacle and to the layout of all the 12 tribes, 3 positioned on each side.

Geography, as you appreciate, has changed in the Spirit. “You will neither worship on this mountain, nor the one at Jerusalem.”
And, the Kingdom is neither “Lo Here” nor “Lo there”....but it is NIGH YOU even in your mouth.
And what does your mouth speak? That which proceeds from the abundance of your heart.
So these are NOT geographical sides.
So the whole 4 SIDE, 12 GATE gospel has to be in every individual's heart. And the good news is it is. JESUS CHRIST who is complete came to reside in your spirit as you. So the problem is one of expansion. This COMPLETE JESUS has to fill the rest of your heart, mind, will, strength and body. Immaturity is simply this.....the rest of you isn't matched up to your new state when you were born again.

The Bible phrase about mature people is....Hebrews 5.14 But strong meat belongs to them that are of full age (in Christ), even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Senses being both intelligence /thought and emotions/desires.

Psalm 84 says How blessed is the man whose strength is in You,
In whose heart are the highways to Zion!

The highways....the maps....the blueprints....the plans....of Zion.
Which blueprint? The heavenly Tabernacle from which the earthly was modelled.

Moses saw the heavenly one on the mountain and the Holy Spirit showed Him how to make an earthly pattern of it.
4 One thing have I asked of the Lord, that will I seek, inquire for,and[insistently] require: that I may dwell in the house of the Lord [in His presence] all the days of my life, to behold and gaze upon the beauty [the sweet attractiveness and the delightful loveliness] of the Lord and to meditate, consider,and inquire in His temple.

This really makes no sense until like David the Holy Spirit has begun making you into a kind of psalmist....whether actually musical or not....God catches us up in the holy Spirit and begins revealing to us spiritual things of HOW THE KINGDOM IS NOW IN HEAVEN and how we are to call this state, and intercede for this to manifest in our time space world. Thy Kingdom Come.
We begin comparing more and more spiritual things with spiritual. More and more begins to make sense.

The FOUR SIDES or faces of the Living Creatures with “seeing eyes” all round them are similar to the four gospel writers too.
Matthew, regal, an organiser, a KINGDOM man, interested in the legalities...fixing the genealogies...a bottom line man...some would say a pragmatist....a “What does this mean at the end of the day” kind of man. Represented by the Lion Face
Mark , represents the man of action, the servant, a very high call in our day....the people who get the job done, the FEET of the Kingdom walking it out...practical people person. The Calf/ Bull pulling ploughs, trudging furrows uncomplaining
Luke...has similar attributes to Matthew but just far more detailed, in depth planning, represents the human face of Jesus in the gospels, the mind of man, the doctor, the one asked to write a “second account” , namely Acts, because his first was so detailed and well written. The Human Face
John, soars like an eagle into the very dwelling places of God...literally in his Revelation of Jesus which culminates the New testament. Yet there's something meticulous about John in the Spirit.
The gospel of John, few have realised, because it is so so different from the other three “biographies of Jesus”. It is topographically perfect though, like the London Underground Map, which is NO ordnance Survey map, but it tells you everything a traveller needs to know. John gives you all the main spiritual stops through the three stages of spiritual growth in 1 John 2, beginning with being born again in John 3. He represents the soaring EAGLE nature of God's Spirit within us.
MINISTRIES
Paul Noble shares
Matthew (Apostle) kingly Gospel , Mark (Evangelist), John (Prophet) and Luke (Physician Pastor/Teacher)

WEAKNESSES

Matthews can DOMINATE....can revert back to “lording it over one another as the gentiles do”
Can totally miss the importance of over detailed Luke, of simple sheep like Mark, of fluffy way out people like John.

Marks can tend to see the whole gospel in terms of works. Of doing. Of being practical. Which it is....but not to the exclusion of all else. Marks can be Marthas, who refuse to sit still long enough to hear the whole blueprint from Jesus. Remember Mary her sister was commended. They REALLY do not like DOMINATORS. And perhaps rightly they get annoyed with Lukes who are so detailed they often don't get started.

Lukes as mentioned can be so anal in detail, the others have gone off independently and done it all.
 - Can be over rigid about detail. Details change as situations change. Can be very impatient with the looser types. Not so human and warm to be with.

Johns can be so authoritative in the Spirit they forget that we have been put on earth to live out our days quite practically. They need reeling in every so often. The mystery of Christ is that what seems mundane and day to day is actually a beautiful expression of the Christ Life itself emerging from the low, serving places with an incredible authority also....which can be quite a shock for Johns, who can tend to pick up their authority exclusively from heavenly touches.

So to conclude, those are the fragments of this status, now let's assemble them .
For I began by saying "For 2000 years we have lived in the total luxury of a false realm in the church.Acts was NOT like this."

I will explain  the false realm. 1 John 2 clearly states the different growth stages of Christians. Now the first church had all three levels of spirituality simultaneously working out together. All types of folk. And the living tension and dynamism of living amongst that all at once is called in Revelation the Woman bringing forth the Manchild.
So while we may enjoy the luxury of fragmentation, with first levellers in one church, 2ndlevellers in another sort of church, and thirdlevellers playing bo peep, diving in and out between it all.....there is NO CHANCE of fulfilling
a. that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places.  Eph 3.10
there is NO CHANCE of
b. The Woman giving Birth to the Manchild in a locality Rev 12.1 and 5
AND THERE IS NO CHANCE OF
c. like the Queen of Sheba coming to see Solomon.....also Isaiah 60 “ And nations shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. “
and the phrase  when I be lifted up I will draw all men unto Me
and finally...the local fulfilment of the Jewish harvest cycle being fulfilled by a mature church who has gone through that entire cycle in the Holy Spirit culminating in the “Feast of Ingathering” or Day of Visitation....or Open Day....which you can find in the last Feast....Tabernacles.

When we say to the carriers of the blueprints...those in whose hearts are the highways to Zion...
“Blessed are you who come in the NAME OF THE LORD” then shall such a set of local churches and churches in nations arise, who will be of this order.
R. Edward Miller in many decades and Basilea Schlink in her Darmstadt community were forerunners of this complete cycle of outworking. As also was Graham Pulkingham as he exported his community over from Houston to our shores.

This is a much higher vision than anything we have at present in our prototype network communities in the UK or the States which have largely become jammed around personality cults rather than keeping each individual eyes on the real Tabernacle and the wonderful Lord of the Tabernacle.

ADDENDUM
To further strengthen what the Spirit is saying through highlighting the terrible "WASTE OF LUXURY", once more read  a combination of these scriptures.

1 Corinthians 12 from verse 4

Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6 There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. 7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; 9 to another faith [d]by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of [e]healing [f]by the one Spirit, 10 and to another the [g]effecting of [h]miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the [i]distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.

Note Well: varieties of gifts, varieties of ministries, varieties of effects.
some upbuild...impart faith
some are physical effects
some build the Body expressly
some DIVIDE as in DIVIDE mixture....think Jesus statement "Why do you call Me good?(I will not be related to or flattered as 'an independently' good man")


12 For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
(How many remember being in boring old style churches while these passages were read out like some magic mystical language that you endured but never thought it could be real....not really real. And ofcourse once everyone is born again and has had a real baptism in the Spirit experience it is suddenly all so real.)

14 For the body is not one member, but many.
 15 If the foot says, “Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body,” it is not for this reason [k]any the less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear says, “Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body,” it is not for this reason [l]any the less a part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired. 19 If they were all one member, where would the body be? 20 But now there are many members, but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; or again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22 On the contrary, [m]it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary; 23 and those members of the body which we [n]deem less honorable, [o]on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable, 24 whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked, 25 so that there may be no [p]division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. 26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is [q]honored, all the members rejoice with it.

27 Now you are Christ’s body, and individually members of it. 28 And God has [r]appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. 29 All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? 30 All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? 31 But earnestly desire the greater gifts.

The Body is SUPERNATURAL
With all these gifts flying around can you now understand Ephesians 4.....the HOW

but [i]speaking the truth in love, [j]we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, 16 from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together [k]by what every joint supplies, according to the [l]proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.

The Gifts are  the EXPRESS start.....they are given straight after new birth and being filled with the Spirit.  Later as Christ roots Himself in your being you are more able to share out of the "oil that you have directly bought from the shops yourself."   SEE Matthew 25.1-12. The wise virgins were secretly preparing flasks of oil on the side!!!!! unbeknownst to the rest.

The Luxury of Fragmentation is so NEGATIVE
1 It prevents the hyper accelerated growth of the Body of Christ in all ways, in all levels, in all effects.
2. It promotes sickness and death within the members themselves.
1 Corinthians11 .27 Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. 28 But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. 30 For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number [s]sleep. 31 But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.

Who is Jesus in you? Who is Jesus in your brother?
False judgment is simply your leftbrain doing loop the loops with reality.
If someone is a drunkard...you don't deny it....in order to see Jesus...but "outer appearances are so often wrong". Get everything in the HolySpirit.
The devil is out to slander each and every brother and sister in your mind.
And don't be naive all of us fight temptations....Jesus did too until His final announcement in the upper room.
Just because a brother falls it doesn't mean Jesus Christ isn't living his or her life...it means they have been temporarily deceived. "Restore with gentleness is the phrase....looking to yourself lest you be next!!!!"

Those are big issues. I think by far the worst stink in first and secondlevel churches is that everyone still sees themselves and other people after the flesh.
As independent people. Instead of seeing what "separation thinking" is...that is to say,the  falsehood that we can live for a second as independent beings....the complete farce sold us in genesis 3.
Rightly DISCERN the Body of Christ....Jesus living His life out through every Body member. People will try to fake this with leftbrain adjustments. You cannot fake it. You have to KNOW and live from Galatians 2:20 as consciousness.....and once you have grabbed this as your Life....you can see any fakeries. Everybody sees in the longrun because bad fruit leeches out.

There is only ONE WAY to the TRUTH and the LIFE in Jesus!!!