Benny Hinn

 

I'm Rubbish

I'd like to say I know what I know on good merits.
NOPE....like every good Bible character I know what I know because I was so frigging useless and still am.
I was desperate as an atheist and God just met me where I was at 13. Seen the Graduate? Dustin Hoffman one? I did, So I saw the whole thing coming in slow motion...but I was emotionally entangled. In the end God sent a prophet Nathan style to our door to get us all straight.
So having been like David Bilbrough...some sort of person affected enormously by the Jesus Move followed by the London House church move....I was fished out of the whole English scene into what was a safe recuperating kind of "City of Refuge " for me in Emsworth. But of all things it was Argentinian!!!!!
Which meant learning the stuff that Ed Silvoso and Claudio Friedzon was bringing to the UK in the 90s and 2000 ,about 20 years too early.
Which then catapulted me into gross failure in Romans 6 and 7 style. In the end, broken, i only knew to fast. And it was over 20 days. The BBC call you dead after 3 days !!!!
What God did was NOT because of some 20 day fasting method....He heard my desperation. I could have probably got to the same thing by simply reading Norman Grubb's Yes I am. But this is how God brought me into what Norman had learnt back some time in 1926 or so and the rest of the Church (though he was actually head of Worldwide Evangelisation Crusade) never listened.
See sometimes it's good to sit down and actually listen to people however weird it sounds, instead of being like Benny Hinn and racing round the universe trying to do it all yourself.(Morris Cerullo included). If you have run a global missions organisation, studied at Cambridge so can write, and you are still there after 50 years....I would think that is a good reason to try and learn off Norman and save yourself a half century.
So I didn't have Norman's book because I was in Emsworth and we believed God to do an Ed Miller suicide dive into all this stuff direct. God kindly did that, then i read the book.
But what it means is this.
Unlike IHOP I know Norman's stuff
Unlike Norman's own crowd, I know the vision of the Church...not as vision....but as lived for over a decade. I know what Acts is about. I have lived it.
While I know about London House churches vision of "being supernaturally natural" I KNOW how to get there.
Unlike Ed Miller, because of Norman Grubb I can articulate better what these socalled "lost" things or "deeper " things are.
Paul Trulin was well on the way before he died, and was able to share about Christ in us to Morris Cerullos Schools of Ministry. Because of Norman, Fred Pruitt, Page Prewitt, Nancy Gilmore, we can be so much more accurate on how daily living works. Particularly Deedee Winter, the Buntings,Sylvia Pearce.....have, as Paul Anderson Walsh pointed out...been some of the women "first to the tomb " in these issues that will literally change our world.
But because of Emsworth and some of Sam Fife's other streams (The Move) I can tell you what Norman's stuff looks like in every day church life. In Emsworth Spain and Argentina we had Bible Houses or Casa Biblicas. They wouldn't call it this but really they were centres of Galatians 2.20 consciousness living, which every church should be naturally. At this stage we have to form greenhouses to force growth, like Jesus did with the 12 disciples.
The two things lacking in seminaries is
they don't teach consciousness living
and they don't teach everyday life.
These two things are what the apostles refer to church as being in essence:
the pillar and ground of truth.
They are what they preach or you don't get recognised and sent out.
Acts 2 is really the story of 12 complete failures crashing into the thirdlevel then being the foundational reproductive core for the whole of the rest of the Church.
Zechariah 4 "raise the top stone with cries of grace ,"grace to it"
There's the grace of blood covering of sin
then there's the grace of crashing into Jesus living His life as me.
Gospel ministry at the moment is a single grace package which may or may not contain being filled with the Spirit.
The one the apostles preached and that we must NOW preach is a two grace package...day one grace of entry into the Family of God and being filled with the Spirit
the second grace of how Jesus exposes all our false inner seeing and so we walk nolonger as "independent selves", the original curse of Genesis 3 death.
and we can only impart what is true for us.

Israel : Why the other notables are wrong and why God is as usual RIGHT.

Israel.
As I said the other day...if you want to do a Dance of the Shulammite between two armies get God's message on the Jews.
IT DOES INVOLVE A DIRECT DOWNLOAD because you are talking of something intensely holy which defies everything you now see with your eyes.
IT IS HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE. And actually the same could be said of God;s other house, Gentile believers...or US, the wild olive plant He has skilfully grafted in.
Until I had that direct Spirit download I was just like any other Christian brought up in the housechurch movement in the UK. We were totally Body centric. Church centric. And no bad thing in that, it's just not quite the whole picture. As Lance Lambert spent his whole life trying to convey to Britain on his visits.
READ Lance Lambert and me
Now Lance matured in his inner seeing and one of his last great books is virtually thirdlevel teaching without the full clarity of Norman Grubb on Genesis 3. (Jacob whom I love by Lance Lambert)
I have come to digital blows with Daniel Yordy on two issues.
One is spiritual violence.....Jesus in the Temple with whips....and Paul specifically naming names that all may learn even the named ones. This is extremely uncharismatic. There, they only name you behind your back like gossip!!!!!!
And the second thing is Israel. In learning some of the full horriffic detail of modern Israel, Daniel ditches the whole lot, like most of South African Christianity too. I get extreme reactions in my spirit when Daniel talks about Israel, because he has not had the "download". You can argue with these guys until you are blue in the face...but this stuff is revelation. You either have it or you don't. It's a bit like baptism in the Spirit.
In a handful of paragraphs this is the download...but this is only leftbrain...you need to get this in the Spirit like set concrete in your tummy.
We learn from Jacob and Esau that though Esau begged and begged Isaac could NOT reissue the lost birthright and blessing.
You have to grab that in your gut. When God commanded Abraham to kill Isaac....and then stopped him....He was getting Abraham to KNOW something, something tiny...but nevertheless humanly massive.....of the PAIN God felt at sacrificing His Son. Abraham's total commission apart from warring with a few kings....was to believe for THE SON through whom God would bless nations. When Abraham and Sarah were as good as dead.
Years later, was it 40??? Abraham was asked to take his mature son and slaughter him....then He stopped him. Who do you even know would obey God in either of those demands? Believe for an impossible son and then kill him.
THAT is why Abraham is our father in the Faith. That is why when God makes a promise to Abraham concerning first sandgrains and then stars....you can go to the BANK on both happening.
DANIEL YORDY IS JUST WRONG in this huge area, and also concerning the rise of Antichrist. The two issues are related.
because the Jews are still waiting for their Messiah, and this is the leverage the devil is pulling as they build the Third Temple.
What Daniel is 100% accurate about, and all of America, and Benny Hinn Art Katz and John Hagee is absolutely wrong about is that present Israel was brought into being by House of Rothschild banking and Zionism....which is Freemasonic SIONISM and is the devil's domain. Only 10% of world Jewry have the least bit of linage from Abraham. They are NOT SEMITES. Read Henry Makow the Jew. Shakespeare. Dickens. and James Joyce in Ulysses are NOT being racist. They are describing this other Jew, this Kabbalist Jew type who are bent on inheriting everything...rather say "snatching" everything out of God's hand, without having any relationship with Yahweh whatsoever....Kabbalists worship another Morning Star."Lucifer". Ask any Orthodox Jew. Any Semite Jew. They don't recognise current Israel. Read Ezekiel 28 for yourselves. Get it from God. Art Katz, David Hathaway, Morris Cerullo are in total denial of what Daniel and others share. John Pilger reports on the annhihilation of various Palestianians. Remember many Palestinians are born again Christians. The rest are Muslim or of Arabic descent. Many are Semites from the dispersals.
BUT GOD.
BUT GOD.
Daniel denies God is big enough to do His final denouement.
Art Katz doesn't understand the problem at all.
Both are 80% or more wrong.
We have a situation here which is very very very dire.It's one of these typical devil attempts at tying history in knots. He does it very very well. He has done it with your life and mine and also the Church.
But GOD
God declares over Israel through David in Psalm 48. However it looks Israel IS ETERNALLY the joy of the whole earth.
We Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
WHY? Because the Jew is the picture of the whole earth.
Jacob was the picture of everyman.
The priests of Baal gathered for Elijah and poured water all over his wood, even making moats of water round the whole pile.
This YEAR...and you couldn't make this up.....the secret conspiratorial forces who designed Isis in the first place, used Isis to seriously damage an old Assyrian Temple to Baal. Why?I thought the conspirators wanted that? Aha....but nobody would suspect them if Muslims extremists did what they find natural...destroy Baal Temples. Aha...but the |Hegelian trick is then to wheel out some mobile Baal Temple adoration "In defiance of these extremists to show them"...except this is in London and New York. Two of the three places that have these Baal Egyptian obelisks anyway.
I digress.
It didn't make a ha'p'orth of difference. The fire of God fell as Elijah promised.
It doesn't matter that Israel is as jumbled up as it is....it is literally boobytrapped into the "heart" of the devil's entire world conspiracy. Mossad is right in the thick of it.
But the Devil's people or Luciferians can do what they will.
God has said to Abraham what He is going to do and He absolutely will carry it out....for the natural and the supernatural lineage.
God is far far far bigger than any evangelical says
bigger than any charismatic like Benny Hinn or Art Katz says
and He is bigger than Daniel Yordy says.
HE IS GOD AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

Losing Patience with Facebook Klever Klogs

The inane "God questions" posed by most on facebook come out of a modern culture raised in ignorance.
- He is accused for how His church is when Jesus Christ specifically told us HOW it would be -messed up.

 Unlike any other controlled faith in the hands of man God honours our freewill, and has a "hands off" approach waiting for a generation that will really go for it which David saw beforehand in Psalm 110.
- God stated the Master KEY as early as the Old Covenant so don't come whining that you are waiting for HIM TO MOVE. The Master Key still stands in the New Covenant.   Love God with all your heart, soul , strength,mind....anything in fact that is still loose and flapping.....and love each other as your self
- John 7.17-19 specifically states how we get hold of Revelation and it has nothing to do with the prissy, dilettante, suck it and see, detached method of learning in the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and evil that all other systems of education rely on. Have manual.....Go DO.
No...like the Buddhist saying...when the servant is ready the teacher will come or
"If a man's will is to do the will of My Father  he shall know the teaching whether it be of God."   People on Facebook ask daft questions because only their minds are in gear trained in all the daft religious precepts of the world and religious organisations, and then they expect to build a God House on top of all that ramshackle nonsense.
- Christ is the BUILDING. Christ is the Knowledge. Christ Himself is the teaching and the one doing the teaching by His Spirit.
To See so many on Facebook broadsweep everything aside as if they know it all, when their writings lay them bare as knowing very little.
They know nothing other than American cult teachings. Now American half built Towers or Half funded armies...to use Jesus own examples may be considerably further on than English Quarterbuilt Towers and Quarter funded army conscripts...but neither are anywhere near the teaching that is in the New Testament.
- Yer typical American and English interjection against the Holy Name of God is very similar to if humans stood at the side of babies or teenagers and just laughed scornfully, just because they weren't adults. In the natural we don't do this so how come we think it's OK to do a Sanballat on God as He is building His walls simultaneously in all the earth?
Bravo....Brits picked up on the immaturity of TV evangelists somewhere back in the last century. So the Facebook people have just caught up in America?????!!!! Great.
Yes we know Africans like their apostle badges, and their prophet badges. We know Kenneth Copeland believes or "Faiths in" his Lear jets, and Morris Cerullo his 12 million dollar house...or Benny Hinn. We know all these things. But has it not occurred to you that REAL FAITH has to start somewhere? God begins where we are at. Africans do their tribal elder culture and their Big Village Chief. Americans do their Blues Brothers "We are on a Mission from God...now give me money for myLear jet."   But all this is NO DIFFERENT AT ALL from the Book you modernists have just tossed in the bin. I think it's called the Bible.  The WAY of GOD . The Manner in which a man clothes himself with God coming from a fallen world that knows nothing of the protocols of heaven is in the exact three generation sequence we see rolled out in Abraham Isaac and Jacob. Then we see exactly the same sequence rolled out again starting with 12 rather clueless KLUTZES who get similarly powered up, and follow Jesus around...then demand to send fire down on villages that don't want to hear their sermons. But yes....after just 3 and half years we see radically transformed people just about ready for the roll out of the real thing. A breathtaking community that.....stuck for any better ideas....Karl Marx immortalised forever in his atheist cobbled up replica system called Communism.

Heaven is real. The protocols of heaven are real. The fact that you Facebook folk haven't a clue yet is a problem with you, not with God.It's also a problem that you happened to be born in a strange masonic/pilgrim twilight world where it's normal for UK Elites to clone, raise, and instal all your rulers and ruling dynasties and publish Bible Translations by bogus doctors so you will fund Luciferian Zionist goals under the guise of helping God along. (The Scofield Bible published  freakishly by Oxford University Press in 1917 after funding its writing by a random railroad man who then called himself a doctor of letters)

The True Meaning of the Poles

Right at what was to be the end of Lakeland ,Florida Revival in 2008, I wrote down a kind of Spirit snapshot expression of what I saw in the form of a parable. God's Builders have been supplied with 3 pallets of materials. For the first time in modern history the third pallet came peeping into view....and then the revival, as we know crashed. I talk about Zerubbabel group in particular because this had been Norman Grubb's last intercession on behalf of the whole church. But in 2008 Zerubbabel didn't even know the revival was going on. So for me, one of the greatest of ironies in recent history is that God was beginning to open up the whole realm that Zerubbabel had been called to share....but they weren't party to it, because hardly any have been baptised in the Spirit, so simply don't relate with the rest of the Spirit filled church. In the parable I relate the Old testament concepts of David's New Cart and the God ordained gilt poles that the Old Testament priests carried the Ark of the Covenant with.

Now the issue of the poles is this....
They are as if glued to the shoulders of the priests. So that means where the priests walk, there the Ark goes. God had some amazing problems in dramatizing the thirdlevel truths of the gospel in Old Testament format.That's why sending Jesus was such a good idea.He could model the whole thing from start to finish.
  HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY get across Jesus living His life in our forms as us according to John chapter 17 when people are still only thinking in religious terms? 

The Old Testament describes automated religion in 2 Samuel 6 as David and his "new cart". 

It's all automated. It's all done for you. At no point do you come into contact with it. It's NOT your flesh and blood walk. Well POLES is pretty good. It's an improvement.Because you are not going anywhere without the Ark. You are attached. You are committed. You are also attached to the other priests. None of you are going anywhere without each other and the glory of God. 

Now Benny Hinn and Morris Cerullo's generation describe the poles as intercession and prayer, and by that they mean long hours rattling off in tongues, and often into the night, and possibly with fasting. This is the secondlevel or "young man "view of intercession.

POLES mean more than this. Jesus didn't come to give us meetings, He came to give us His life. Actually if you want to know the truth of it, the REAL TRUTH...there is no other life in the Universe. Real Life is God going on. 

Poles break down as an image because they are still outside us, still separate from us. Jesus Life on the other hand has no gaps. He came in fused to our new spirit WITHOUT GAPS. Who we really are. Where our Life source, our life itself originates is our spirit. but as Daniel Yordy, Fred Pruitt,Nancy Gilmore, and so many more share....our humanity, is piecemeal with it. The "old think" that is still Genesis 3 that still fills the charismatic churches, is that we are self-powered souls that are trying to correct themselves. But according to the revelation of the Bible that whole way of thinking is a delusion. It represents more or less a whole worldwide church still mired in the lie of Genesis 3. 

So no, the poles DON'T represent a certain amount of hours of prayer to charge up our batteries sufficiently that Benny Hinn can go on a podium and perform miracles like a pentecostal showman.
The Bible Truth is that our intercession is coming out of One Man who lives our Life fulltime. There's no getting away from this POLE. And that is the truth of the third pallet. We are carrying His intercessions inside His faith whenever and for however long He is burdening us with them. They don't start at the beginning of meetings and they don't end at the end of meetings. This is the New Priesthood which Fred Pruitt was writing about. "As He is in the world, so are we."

 Like Jesus in John 6, the gospel we preach is about eating His very Body and drinking His blood. He becomes us by Word and by Spirit. There's no walking away. There's no mid measure as Paul Noble and others want to say..."Oh Jesus is in us?" Well what does that mean? For 40 years charismatics have been saying " Jesus is in us." In Havant Church they believe Jesus is another pea in their pod sharing the space in their bodies with the old man. It gets very crowded in Havant Church. Everybody is walking around with twice as many people inside them!!

This is not what is meant by the gilt-covered poles. The NEW CART church, like David's first attempts at wheeling the glory of God to its resting place, is a Church of separation. God over there. Me over here. The true priesthood however were carrying the Ark on poles, pressed to their bodies. This is the meaning of Jesus as us.

Why Charismatic Christianity is crap

First published in my Facebook note.

Well, that got your attention.

Charismatic christianity per se is not crap. It is a growth stage. I didn't have room in the title to put what I really think.

Charismatic Christianity as it is presented by its leaders all over the world is crap. Why? Because they NEVER present it for what it is....a through stage. It is "young men " Christianity according to the list in 1 John 2 where St John, one of the first twelve apostles of the Lamb, and, most notably the one who"loved " Jesus, the only one who was present at the death of Christ.....

Have I laid sufficient weight to his standing and authority to speak?

Now John never spoke the words " The charismatic movement is the young men stage", but from scripture alone, even before we get down to history, it is possible to be really clear about this.

So, just as no one would say teenage is rubbish and should be done away with, tempted as we might be, we cannot do away with this manifestation of a Christian through stage either.

What is wrong is that  leaders imply the charismatic movement IS "IT". They even imply we should be like them, and when we are we will be mature and lead charismatic conferences just like them.

In 2008 in Lakeland,Florida, some of the world's longstanding charismatic eldership swooped like vultures to give credence to what  was going on in the revival as it was being televised over months by God Channel. In principle, I cannot quarrel with the idea. I quarrel with the perceived charismatic notion that they are mature leaders.

They were all mature charismatic leaders. All of them have done the rounds. All have raised up large charismatic megachurches. They know how to buy or stage large auditoriums where thousands come to sing, where worship groups lead them, and where these ministries have developed great encouraging teaching skills whereby they can keep you enthralled for over an hour. Actually, they know far more than this because they will all have personal mighty supernatural giftings. People don't just get into these positions because they are good speakers, but because their particular gifts and callings have been recognized and appreciated over decades.

Harvard Student Leaders

 But , you know, back to the natural picture, say universities. Universities develop their own pecking order. They stage events. Leaders emerge. Perhaps even leaders that can hold hundreds or thousands enthralled with their speech and ideas. But no one anywhere is describing a student leader however charismatic, as someone who could simply walk into

the Oval Office and take over the nation of the USA.  It is understood that these 20-22 year olds maybe Kings in their own Harvard or wherever pond, but they are not mature enough to lead a nation.

St Paul used the ironic term in the Bible of "super apostles". He obviously suffered from people politics in his day in the then still fresh expressions of church. He chided Christians in his letters with phrases like "I could not address you as mature." "Would that you were kings" "How is it that some say they are of Apollos, some of Peter etc.Do you not know that ALL are yours?"

 This is one of the give aways that you cannot fake. I mean, try as hard as you might to organise your charismatic movement against it, but it will still bleed through the framework.

What is that?

Immature people, naturally or spiritually do not have the breadth of older people. They run down narrow tramlines. They find security in niches. They follow a very small handful of teachers in more or less the same stream.

Be it,proclaiming the charismatic church as a mature version of church.......

or Benny Hinn and Morris Cerullo even implying to an audience that we should aspire to be like them (although some of the power of their anointing is, most admit, pretty impressive) is terribly misleading. What , you mean able to speak to thousands of people about faith, signs and wonders, and other "young men" subjects of the Bible?  That's maturity is it?

No. According to the Bible,going into personal deaths on behalf of raising up others  to know Christ in them the hope of glory. Going into a church building and sniffing the air to  determine whether we can savour the death and resurrection of Christ...in other words the amount Christ is reproduced in those people. "Do I find among you Christ crucified," Paul asks.

It's a different order of ministry again. It's a ministry carrying with it a far greater order of authority. For it presses people into reality. The end result of such ministry is that people really are Kings in their own area or locality, as Paul describes.

We're not shadowboxing as is often the case in the charismatic movement. We're getting people to "mesh" with their surroundings, like cogs on a driveshaft. Only this particular driveshaft is Romans 8, where the end result is that creation itself is set free around us.

As you can read in the Melchizedek post on Rees Howells, before Rees set his face, the world's freedoms were terribly threatened by several dictators. After he had finished , the power of a lot of them had been broken. His declarations of faith had real world effects. But it was a calling for which he had been trained over decades. It was not a sudden whim.

So once again I say, there is no getting around "the charismatic" through stage. What is crap, is calling it mature church.

Mature church has  Father level (1 John 2) leaders, not mature charismatics. I'll say that again. Father level people lead the mature version of church in the Earth. Charismatic leaders lead the charismatic movement.

Specificity and Waggling your arms and hands like Jorge Pradas by Chris Welch

Facebook note on Saturday, 22 January 2011 at 22:53
Following on from Coming into God's House

Well that's a weird header title!

Let's deal with waggling first of all. On a handful of occasions, and there is one I'm calling to mind, Jorge Pradas who was used to lay apostolic Word in Emsworth, got us all waggling our arms and shaking our hands. This will confirm everything this current move think about the predecessor move of the 80s! But no, what he was getting us to do in the Spirit was shake free from all our preconceptions about


what we thought church life was

what the Christian life was

what our own lives were

and allow the Holy Spirit to invade.....to make what was nebulous, fluffy and ultimately just empty religion....specific and defined.



Around 10 years earlier Jorge was staying with his friend and former Brethren pastor Ian McCulloch in Emsworth. He was on holiday. But naturally he got invited to a monthly or weekly charismatic prayer meeting some of them held on Sunday nights. These were people from different churches. So there was Jorge minding his own business, but suddenly kicked to alert in the Presence of God that was evident there.



If God has birthed a ministry in you....it's part of you. There is no holiday. So like a bolt from the blue, this Word came out of heaven through Jorge . "What do you call yourselves?"

"A fellowship."

"What's a fellowship?"

People assumed it was a Catalan/Argentine translation problem probably.

So he repeated. "What's a fellowship? You can have fellowship. Show me in the Bible the word fellowship."

This stunned the charismatics, who were there for mutual encouragement and where they could freely use the gifts of the Spirit.

The Bible only recognises the Church. Are you the Church or aren't you?

That night then, Emsworth Church was born on that word. The church began and fundamental from the outset was that the members believed this was the Church.



Watchman Nee writes....you can have as many local churches as you like, meeting wherever geographically, but they must all be conscious that they are THE CHURCH and that they ARE ALL ONE THING.

Explaining that to the other churches in Emsworth seemed too difficult, so 15 years or so later they reverted to New Life Christian Church, Emsworth.Maybe something was lost in the process. Maybe this was an Ishmael/Isaac battle that was lost here. I am not there, so cannot comment.



I am in Portsdown Community Church. Peter Stott seems clear on the specificity of the church being the Church that happens to meet in the Meridian Centre...but whether it's always the same for all members I don't know.

"Community Church" is the style used in the days of Pyramid Apostle Networking. Their apostle was Tony Morton of Southampton. Community gets over "Redeemed Community". Well you hope it does.



But in all this hand and arm waggling, we have to be shaking ourselves from another of Man's orthodoxies.

Each individual perhaps thinks of himself/herself as two peas in a personal pod. The Old man/New Man rattling around inside. Old Chris new Chris in permanent Romans 7 struggle for identity. There's no personal specificity in the Spirit.





This is the "extracurricular" activity that the Holy Spirit has been cooking in the last 20 years. If we're not even clear what our church is....what are we believing about ourselves?



The Bible is very clear about the work of the Cross. It's not about to be complete. It's not being worked on. Jesus was quite categoric. "It IS FINISHED"

I have died with Christ. It is now nolonger I that live, but Christ who lives within me. The life I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God.



It is on this base that I stand individually. I am now Christ in my form. This is a faith stand. It is spiritually defined. It has absolute specificity. And put another group of like believing believers alongside me, and boldly we declare we are the redeemed community, the Church of the Living God.



Waggle your arms again and your hands.....shake off all the old preconceptions. The concept that we are some kind of humanist vehicle for activities such as praise, prayer,preaching and coffee at the top of the Meridian Centre in Havant.

An activity centre that meets 10.30 every Sunday and does more prayer activity at sundry other occasions, and runs a 2ndhand furniture shop to provide for a debt relief advice charity. All these are things. What's the Spirit reality?

Well there is a believing, and there is a Spirit reality, because people comment on it when they come. There are processes happening in peoples lives that Paul would saymatches his phrase: I came that I might find Christ crucified among you.



But I believe the gifts to the church all over the world are tightening up in their specificity. Faith only operates around specificity. In Genesis chapter 1 God never said, Let there be something kind of , I dunno.....like Light I suppose." It was targeted and entirely specific. It's also tougher humanly being specific isn't it?



Abraham knew that confronting 2 kings. He said Sarai was his half sister...actually she was....hummmm....but she was HIS WIFE....and that gets to be pretty relevant if you know someone is after sleeping with her. And not only that but the God of heaven's entire calling on your life is to bring forth a son of Promise through PRECISELY her.



I don't know what's tougher, Abraham being specific about his God Promise/wife relationship or Peter being specific about the exact relationship with

THE RABBI that has placed a specific CALL on your life, that you've been with three gob-opening years, while you watched and personally participated in some stunning miraculous events. And then....no half measures here....complete with cursing....Peter says at Jesus trial "I %^$£*&.. ing never met the guy Jesus in my life!"



My burden here goes beyond this to a specificity in the Spirit. What we're into, to be fully Christian, has to tie in with the heavenlies. In bringing the KINGDOM of GOD to earth. Daniel Yordy and Francois will tell you the KINGDOM is here already. That it's the knowledge of the Glory of God that has yet to fill the earth as the waters cover the sea.



Well some would say Thy Kingdom Come - the prayer....was fulfilled at Pentecost. The Kingdom did come.In Power.

But we are still praying Thy Kingdom Come, in an ultimate restoration of order type sense. This is the sense of the blog series I did on Psalm 24.

What I am steering things to is the prophetic.

This morning I was describing to Allen Mills the acceleration that took place as soon as the disciples received by faith the specific Word and calling that Jesus, operating in the Father brought to them, to make them Fishers of Men, if they

Folowed Him

Now.




We know from Elisha's call through Elijah. you don't mess around when God speaks. You obey. Now.And if you don't, like in the fifth chapter of Song of Solomon....


it's already too late. Jesus has gone.Moved on.



Part of the 1st commandment walk of loving God with all our being is priority. You don't put Him second to anything.And unlike human love for a person making a similar demand, you have the knowledge that God can undergird His call with His Provision.

Half the messes (humanly speaking) that we get ourselves into is that we are obeying a Word before we know for sure where our support will come from. Banks think we are nuts. Other Christians think we are nuts. The rest of our families can think we are nuts. But a call is a call. And the anointing is in that call, and hidden in it too, somewhere in the background sometimes is the provision for the call.



How many ministries have been launched on the back of Peter's walking on Water incident. As an event, it is probably more important historically as a Spirit teaching, than it is for the absolutely earth shattering event that it was. A human walks on water!



So hopefully you caught that. Things only accelerate when a Word comes, but in that Word is also the Power to get it achieved.

1.Churches don't have specificity.

2.Churches chunter along virtually as clubs, without any invasive Word.There has to be a sense of the invasion of the Kingdom into our "norm"

3. The heavenly Pattern

For this one you probably need to shake those arms and hands again, if only to please Jorge, who is now with Jesus thinking....at last....somebody was listening!



The last couple of notes on Facebook refer to the Tabernacle. Nancy Gilmore expressed that knowing the reality of Christ as her, she finds it alien to be thinking about the Tabernacle. I wrote to say the heavenly Tabernacle is the reality. The heavenly reality of this and the 3 Feasts are just how things work. And it is our lack of spiritual eyesalve in these realms that have made our "revivals" so bloomin random.

We are spending all our time building our own earthly conceptions of what revival , and church , and evangelism are.

-So people are all but stillborn

-making up churches that are human clubs

-praying for human concepts of what a revival might be......probably more of the same.



So here in brief is what should really be happening.


People are accelerated into the very Life of God only through the Word, the Living Word...however it comes to them.

This is as true of believers as it is of the living organisms that are the local versions of the Bride, called "ecclesia....called out ones....the Church"


A believer joins the people of God as an individual at the New Covenant equivalent of the brazen altar, the Cross.


They now have a new RESIDENT in their spirit, and fused AS ONE to their spirit; His Name is Jesus. Because Jesus lives there, when they come next to the Laver, they look in its shiny mirror surface and see Jesus.

So the Laver is the washing of water in the Word.... a process that ever continues.The Bible is nolonger a lawbook,but a mirror of the Lawkeeper inside us.

The Laver is baptism in water, which is us saying to God in the Spirit....yes I sign my signature on the dotted line of the New Covenant

This laver experience was something else for Jesus, and can be for us too. Jesus came out of his water baptism, with the Spirit descending on Him like a dove. He was baptised in the Holy Spirit.

We become priests by the Spirit of the Lord. We can enter now into the Holy Place.

Another baptism that is simultaneous to this , which prepares us to function in the Holy Place, is that we are baptised into the corporate Body of Christ. Like Ruth entering as an alien Canaanite into the people of God we say with her, "Your people are my people, your God my God."

Because none of the rest has been true in the lives of other church people, the Body of Christ remains only a somewhat pious concept, having a rather heavy religious atmosphere to it. But not so among those who share these foundations in the Spirit.

The Holy Place or the 2nd Feast experience of Pentecost is meant to be glorious. In the previous post I have described some of the negative aspects which we see manifesting in the disciples' lives in the gospels. This is particularly relevant in our day, because in the Church worldwide we have now thousands of overgrown teenagers who manifest many of the features of "Fatherhood" in the Spirit, but their own innards are so undeveloped, because only a handful of people have known there is a third stage of growth, or third feast experience.



When all functions in the order of the Spirit the "spiritual teenage" or "young men stage" is a glorious affair just as it is in the natural. Get a bunch of teenagers on fire for God even in the natural, and they have a glory all their own....just as newborn babies do. The Holy Place experience in a Living wing of the Body of Christ , the young men stage, IS NOT aligned with an agegroup such as teenage, IT IS a Stage of growth in the Spirit. My hunch is that were we in a culture that just loved Jesus properly from cradle to grave, our stages in the Spirit would be a lot more aligned with the natural growth stages. As it is churches are strewn with 70 years olds still in nappies, being bottle-fed....almost still born actually.



The last Facebook note covered the acceleration in the Holy place. Immature people have their bread cut up neatly for them according to their tribe. On the table of the shewbread in there are 12 loaves all positioned round the table for the 12 tribes.I mentioned that I am not speaking theoretically. I obeyed God's inner call to me to leave University after the first year only and found myself in an early prototype of a functioning Holy Place Community. (click for pics and more history)They didnt know about the 3rd level.They didnt know all the foundations listed above. But we weren't a community by committee either. Stuff was coming to the surface of people's lives as the Holy Spirit would engineer, and the Body would be covering these members and ministering victory and encouragement. In the worst instances of double leukaemia of a son and later his father, this also was dealt with in prayer. It was the first time such cases had survived anywhere in the world, by giving each other their bone marrow. It was all over the television news. This was our experience in Emsworth.



The foundation that we can now add, is a lot more detail as to how the 2ndlevel works, how it is a time of "reckoning" by faith according to Romans 6 and 7. There is an experience of the Altar of Incense, as we, in a manner very similar to old photography are placed into "FIXER".....remember that anyone? The third level is the fruit of this fixing process.

We know we are Christ in our form. We don't "need" meetings to prove this to us. We go into meetings to take them over for Christ. We are now walkers who practice the verse "Just as you received Christ as Lord, so now, walk in Him."



Anyone who has been with men such as Rheinhard Bonnke,Morris Cerullo, Andy Elmes (local to us) knows there is a Fire anointing that compels others to come to Christ. I have written about evangelists' frustration that so few seem to operate with this zeal to reach more for Christ. There's a truth in this. And there is a Holy Spirit fire which so few have. It is what propelled me into being a catalyst for revival in part of our school when I was 13. But as I have said above there is another very serious point to make.



Morris Cerullo and Rheinhard Bonnke minister unfailingly on the "outward means of growth". They so well know how to minister in the Old Covenant Law of doing Christian things to somehow grow in God. As true fatherhood 3rd level ministries we ARE NOT CALLED TO DO THIS. We impart the New Covenant by the Spirit. We continually impart the foundations above. God's children become young men (understand this is both sexes) who in turn become fatherhood ministries. People who are obviously utterly saved have a testimony to share, they are that Testimony, who is ofcourse Jesus established in us. The thought that this won't have impact is unthinkable. A thirdleveller immediately gets noticed.

In fact in times past, when there were so few, if they wrote books, they'd automatically be high on the Christian bookshelves. Corrie Ten Boom,Oswald Chambers,Spurgeon,John Wesley,Madame Guyon,Dietrich Bonhoeffer,Watchman Nee,Mother TheresaJohn Wimber,Mother Basilea Schlink....the list goes on and on.



I want to temper comments about generals like Morris Cerullo,Benny Hinn and Rheinhard Bonnke with respect for all the ways in which the Holy Spirit has used them to bring a harvest. This has to be weighed in the Spirit with the thousands of believers that are running as fast in the opposite direction from such men. You see apart from individual growth in Christ there is another aspect to the 3rd level Body that was pioneered by John Wimber, and particularly later in 2008 in Lakeland.



If saints have proper Spirit foundations they are catapulted forward in growth. But more than this the BODY BUILDS ITSELF IN LOVE, at apace that is frankly FRIGHTENING. If you could really understand and appreciate what is happening on Facebook and blogs internationally, you would be stunned. But no man has the overview. And that's the point.Morris Cerullo's phrase was always "This is not the Work of a man, but the Holy Spirit." (And by the way, this is an example of specificity in the Spirit."

The problem with Morris - even though he does invite in 12-15 other extremely anointed platform ministries-

it's still Morris Cerullo Ministries.

The true 3rd level stuff is FACELESS.It's going on internationally non-stop around the clock. You can see from my 1989 message that I have been prophesying this but had no clue about Facebook. No man is in charge. Jesus is doing it.

So,we've covered 2 of the points.

People will nolonger be stillborn, but will grow right through to maturity.

The church will not be religious clubs, because they have living stones, and an unimaginable variety of matching wineskins. So much easier to reach people with churches of people that don't have dummies sticking out of their mouths.

But the last point is revival.



Ofcourse Morris,Benny and Rheinhard have to run round at HUUUUGE Kingdom expense like headless chickens. They are not preaching the right gospel. It's hugely incomplete. Nobody can grow. It's not new Covenant, apart from depositing an anointing of the Spirit on their heads, they then dose them up with tons of laws of what a Christian looks like.

BUT a Christian doesn't look like anything. He is Christ in THAT PERSON'S FORM! What's all this external stuff about then? it's the very opposite of what James spoke, that's what it is:
Acts 15:9 19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. "

The Feasts describe the revival cycles that we see at the very outset of the Church.Not only are we growing, individually and corporately , but as natural as waves on the sea, or birth contractions in childbirth, we learn to move with the Spirit's Harvest cycles over localities. The 3rd Feast , Tabernacles,has its own massive Feast of Ingathering built in.

Ingathering follows Trumpets and Atonement. This is typified in Joel with the priests flat on their faces.

Here's a 1960s picture:

Graham Pulkingham, brought to the end of himself on the crypt floor of the Church of the Redeemer Houston for 3 solid months. (His Day of Atonement)

This intercession birthed a whole community that brought thousands into the church, and ultimately affected my life as the whole group moved to England and ministered into places like our school after our revival.Graham was a 3rd leveller bringing forth a group of 2ndlevellers who surrounded him, who in turn would have gone off and done the same.



Are you getting the picture how we have totally missed it? Of how wrong Benny Hinn's,Rheinhard Bonnke's, and Morris Cerullo's pattern is, as we mature into a really Living version of the Body of Christ. We don't have to wander round like a corpse Zombie anymore. Havant doesn't need to have half of its members dosed up on medications in depression, and the rest sick as dogs, all staring at you with bleary eyes. (Slight exaggeration) But you get what I am saying. Enough of this half-gospel,half-church,half-Life. The heavenly Pattern is there for everyone to see. Quit fighting the Spirit, and just do things His way. I mean our way has sure worked well hasn't it? Just read God Delusion by Richard Dawkins.

A timely letter to my Ghanaian Evangelist friend

"Name"
The money has been dispatched.
Thankyou for phoning in such a timely fashion.

It is important that you hold to all the Word that God has been building into you.
It is important that you continue to wait on the Holy Spirit when you gather with others,
knowing the importance of entering God's Presence with taking time over ministering to Him first,
then delivering the Word out of that Presence.

These are all key foundations that already mark you out among others.

When believers see differences the devil will always want to maximise these and seek to divide,
and also make all discussion " either or"
-either you accept all of this and reject everything you know so far.....that is his tactic.He is a liar
and not to be trusted.

With God it is always Yea and Amen and "Both ....and" ...."not either ...or."

So the above Spirit foundations I support in you.

http://080808onnowto.blogspot.com/2010/02/order-of-hoy-spirit.html explores some of
the main differences in the order of the Holy Spirit, to the traditional one man ministry
approach of the Pentecostal minister in the last 100 years.

Real transfer of God's life is so powerful when we do things God's way, that you get people
like Paul who were powerful enough to turn whole regions upside down.

At the moment working on 2/3 of the gospel, that is "asking Jesus into your life"
and "being baptised in the Spirit" it is exhausting. For every Morris Cerullo crusade
and Rheinhardt Bonnke crusade and Benny Hinn crusade you get
people stunned by God's miraculous power, you get people saved and filled with
the Spirit
but really poor teaching on Romans 1-8 and Ephesians and Colossians.
People do not know they have died.
People think they have to "do" things to grow as a Christian, instead of knowing
actually "they" don't have to do anything ever again. They are dead. And dead people
don't do anything. It is now purely about Christ doing stuff through them.

And if nothing much happens. The answer is not another Morris Cerullo chivvying meeting
to get them fired up again, the answer is laying another "gift of revelation" in them as to
how Christ is now their life.

The "leaven of the Kingdom" is so powerful that 2 birthing 2 birthing 2 and so on just 20
times already comes to 1,048,576.

The reason evangelists get tired out ,asking for more and more money is they
do not birth Christians into real Spirit churches
so anybody that DID ask Jesus into his life has just been bewitched by a Galation church
back into believing you have to "do things". Jesus PLUS something is the gospel.
NO....in the Spirit....as soon as you say Jesus Plus circumcision....you break the electrical
circuit. The believer becomes still-born. He never grows. He never becomes Christ in his form,
so he or she cannot reproduce Christ. They are the very thing that Christ condemned
"You travel a hundred miles to make a convert, and you make him twice the son of hell that you are."

The Pentecostal model is crazy. You have a Pastor in charge of a church, in a similar way
to the Jews who had a high priest.
This is the model of the New Cart.
This is the African Village Elder New Cart model with a Pentecostal badge.
Like Matthew Ashimolowo. Or the Action pastor.

This is not in the Bible.
The Church has elders who know about Christ being their life and the heavenly
realities of how things work....like faith....like praise.....like using spiritual gifts...

which they impart into others as quickly as possible. All the spiritual gifts
and ministries flow together as the Spirit moves.

But a black African in tie and smart jacket ruling over a congregation as
a man in charge, calling himself a pastor comes straight out of the kingdoms of this world.

Similar with black apostles. What they mean by apostle is the
organizing ability to arrange for large gatherings of people to hear
them speak exciting stuff and see them perform a few miracles as the star showman.
This is not an apostle. Even Stephen in the New testament could do much of this.But he knew better.

(Understand the white man is even less developed....not even understanding baptism in the Spirit
and just having a purely human organisation....so even more like a devil pyramid builder!!)

If you can imagine two direction arrows diverging ever wider apart, that is now how things are in the Kingdom.
The 2nd level Ishmael model of a Spirit-filled church which in reality is a bunch of genuine Spirit-filled people
being manipulated Ishmael style into "the outward appearance of a church",

as compared with the 3rd level model of a church of mature believers who understand the apostles'
revelation in the Bible, who are mature in their own right....either going out to form new churches
in the pure grace of God, or exercising greater and greater rule in their localities in their jobs,
their surroundings......but all as a "genuine Isaac - the child of Promise" and not a manipulation
from one man, seeking to look good by having a lot of people beneath him in a pyramid.


I realise this probably comes as a shock to you, "Name". But having been prepared for years
in a hidden way, I'd hate for you to lose everything by being a Morris Cerullo ministry when everything has moved
on, with groups of apostles now ministering together like in the days of Acts.

If you cannot get to places of revival like IHOP Kansas which is happening right now,
I'd love you to start getting a revelation of this new way of operating....which is like you
do already....but instead of being just you, there is a whole room of people behaving just like you.
Maybe they haven't got the evangelistic gifting you have,and they actually need you for that,
but they have lots of things you don't yet have. The next Key of David Conference
is March 18th -20th http://www.portsdowncc.org.uk/news.htm

Blessings
Chris

Rattling of the Bones: 2 blog posts of note

I have been away with the family. I have also been reading through some of the books in my recommended list. Some I have only skimmed before and am only now reading properly, others I am reading with great interest to see how I feel about them now.

In this blog I want to ignore these and recall a message by Alan Vincent to the church in Hazlemere, Bucks in the mid 70s. It was on the subject of the "rattling of the bones"in Ezekiel 37:7.

But first here are two outstanding blog posts of the last week or so.
The first from Jamie is an outstanding description of how grace works in our lives .
The second is from Terry Virgo on not forgetting the commands of scripture.

When I returned from RiverCamp (see link) Morris Cerullo had sent a brochure on the Names of God. John Paul Jackson has done a series on these names as have many teachers and preachers. When we receive the Holy Spirit at salvation and more so as He is released in our lives in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, unknowingly we find ourselves signed up to a Holy Spirit Training Course on the Names of God. This is the same course that the Israelites were on in the Wilderness after leaving Egypt.

• YHWH-Yireh (Jehovah-jireh) — "The Lord will provide" (Genesis 22:13-14).
• YHWH-Rapha — "The Lord that healeth" (Exodus 15:26).
• YHWH-Niss"i (Yahweh-Nissi) — "The Lord our Banner" (Exodus 17:8-15).
• YHWH-Shalom — "The Lord our Peace" (Judges 6:24).
• YHWH-Ra-ah — "The Lord my Shepherd" (Psalm 23:1).
• YHWH-Tsidkenu — "The Lord our Righteousness" (Jeremiah 23:6).

• YHWH-Shammah (Jehovah-shammah) — "The Lord is present" (Ezekiel 48:35).

My purpose in mentioning these is to catch the spirit behind Jamie's post."We can simply let the Life of Christ within us do the walking and with each step see how our paths are made straight for us, one step at a time. "
But rattling alongside this is the substance of Terry Virgo's blog describing how God's ministries were sent in with apostolic commands and injunctions.
But I want to stress even more than Terry does various points.
Firstly...unlike today when we have Bible studies on these scriptures....
1. The substance of these commands was coming out of a warm , caring relationship of the Holy Spirit's Presence coming through the love, care and intercession of the apostles ministering the Word. Many of whom had been through this same living, breathing, process with Jesus Himself whilst on Earth. Initially in 3 years of ministry, plus 40 days of rather special ministration with the resurrected Christ, before His ascension.
2. The total understanding of these injunctions is that NO WAY, no ABSOLUTE WAY were the hearers going to fulfil this in their own strength.
3. If that was true under a Pentecostal Baptism in the Spirit understanding....it is a gazillion times more to be stressed in a 3rd Level approach.

Let me explain the last point.
Maybe the apex of "Holy Spirit and Me" technology was reached in the late 80s with Benny Hinn's book "Good Morning Holy Spirit"
This is Pentecostalism to the nth degree of intimacy. You can't go beyond this.
Jesus said about John...there is no one born of women greater....but the least person of the Kingdom would in fact be greater.
This might have sounded very strange at the time when Jesus said this. I am going to say something just as strange. What I am saying is this.
The next generation in God will go way beyond Benny Hinn's book.
Why.
Because it was always prophesied so.
Psalm 110:3 Your ^(F)people will volunteer freely in the day of Your power and

Psalm 24:4-6(He who has clean hands and a pure heart,
who does not lift up his soul to an idol
or swear by what is false.

He will receive blessing from the LORD
and vindication from God his Savior.

Such is the generation of those who seek him,
who seek your face, O God of Jacob.

You see in Genesis 3:5 we picked up an evil spirit of the Devil himself
whose total way of existence is summed up in a delusion of separateness.
He catches us up in his lying existence to make-believe that we as him can
live as self-running beings, with no need for a spirit battery!!!
When really in the background he swapped our God linkage in our spirits for
a permanent devil linkage. Only Christ's cross has severed this link.
But throughout history until the present day, this has not fully come to the fore.

So to this day Christians are running around as "separate " beings
trying to focus on Christ
trying to pray
trying to work miracles
trying to preach a message of salvation
even....and listen to this....trying to have a relationship with the Holy Spirit.

Now in the best light that Benny had at the time, he saw himself in a dual relationship with the Spirit. The Holy Spirit and Benny.

But from now on the Holy Spirit does not even allow us this luxury.
He is saying in Psalm 24 verse 4 "You have spent your entire lives
living by what is false. You thought you were gods in your own right.
Then you tried to live your renewed lives in this same old revelation...as separate beings in your own right. I have overlooked this since the Pentecostal outpouring in the 1900s, but now
is my time for a generation who seek the face of the God of Jacob. Who experience within themselves this Name change. Not Benny and the Holy Spirit. Benny is dead. Now it is Christ Benny and the Holy Spirit.

So you see the generation that is now emerging and is to come will be a totally new type of believer. Totally identified with the death of Christ
And consequently because of the Jesus words "if you abide, in my Word,then you are Truly my disciples, and you shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free."
Now.
On Earth.
Not in some heavenly future.
AS real as we experience the outbreak of the Presence of God in meetings now....so this will become our every day experience together...all day long. And the apostles were the prototype.
Yup, they had disagreements. They were slow to grasp that Gentiles were included in the deal.

But they didn't lie.
They didn't go off with other women.
They didn't grasp money to themselves.
They were submissive one to the other.
Not one was on a power trip. And they had raw POWER!

So don't any of you dare talk to me about the sweet by and by. About some Feast of Tabernacles in the future, as if it can't be lived today. (Joseph Prince I've got your number) It is in the future...but only if it is now...if you see what I mean. My heaven in the future is dependant on me getting heaven now by asking Jesus into my heart. It's like that.
Don't give me that rubbish about putting up with one another's sins til we limp into glory.
Don't give me that grace rubbish which never actually cleans up our lives.
Grace is like honey. But is also like fire!!! Just you wait and see!!! You won't know what's hit you.
Well actually you will. Because of this very blog.
But listen!!!You're going to be OK.
Jacob was OK after his wrestling. God let him live.
You and I are going to live too. On this earth.

So back to Alan Vincent.
You will notice there are 2 stages to the revealing of this glorious Body in Ezekiel 37.
The one prophesying assembled the bones. Called them together. Then they began rattling.
If you put all our blogs together there is a tremendous rattling.
Some are more Calvinist. Some are more Armenian.
Some are more grace...some are more like Janelle
Some are more individual in outlook. Some are more corporate Body of Christ
Some are more faith and here and now, some are more glorious Hope of our Calling

Well I've got some good news.Whatever you currently are becomes irrelevant in the 3rd level.
Why. Because as Paul says in Corinthians they were immature, saying we are of such and such a ministry. In the 3rd level we get the LOT. Everything we are now missing.
Evangelicals who currently get the exchanged life thing, the "I am dead with Christ thing" but have no clue about moving in the Spirit....Guess what!!! they're going to get particularly soaked!!!
Charismatic Christians, who love the gifts of the Spirit, but who haven't the first clue about living a normal every day life in God...guess what.......they're going to carry their giftings and anointings right into family life, creative life, work life, educational life....and God's going to especially bless them at that, because now everyone is laughing at them.

The 3rd level is the 2nd prophesying. How do I work that out?
Well in the first level the Body of Christ as lived out corporately was impossible.
It's the release of the Holy Spirit. The baptism in the Holy Spirit that makes Body life a reality.
This is represented by the Holy Place and the Holiest Place. The outer courts was about us cutting covenant as individuals. The Holy Place and Holiest Place is about corporate life.
Particularly in the 70s the first prophesying was taking place as described by Maurice Smith's prophecy.

Now I believe is the time for the 2nd prophesying. The rattling was about assembling everything together. It was never meant to look good folks. It's a skeleton!!! Actually the Bible says skin and tendons came on it. But it was still a dead body.
Have you noticed the world has not been attracted by us so far!
Do you think there may be possibly another stage!!!!
Well that's what the 2nd prophesying is for!
This is the gist of Alan's word...but he didn't add the 3rd level bits.
So I believe that the 70s impartations were real. The visions were real in the same way that the Bible passages are real. But at that stage we did not have the Holy Spirit technology.
Our vision was a vaguely warmed up version of the church life as we knew it back then.
But the Way of God is a heart thing. David was the prototype of this.
Psalm 84:5 How blessed is the man whose ^(H)strength is in You, In whose heart are the ^(I)highways to Zion!

Later it is still my intention to do a summary on my thoughts about ministry, as affected by the revelation that a mature level, a third level, a father level as experienced by the Early church fathers, does exist. And it affects every single aspect of
1 the way we do church and
2 the way we do or don't do seminaries.

You don't getPsalm 84 " the strength" or "the internal heart highway" to Zion in a seminary.
You don't get it necessarily in a Morris Cerullo school of ministry or Youth with a Mission training centre. Perhaps you get an earnest...or a downpayment....
Jesus knew how to bring forth ministries by the power of His Word, all while they were sharing in ministry with Him. How cool is that? Maybe Rob Rufus is on the way to this. Maybe Peter Stott is also.

More on this later............

The Shekinah Construction Company and the Cave - A Church Parable of the last 50 years to the Present Day

My friend Dan (or maybe another Dan) watched from his window as a helicopter descended upon a rough craggy hill a long way in the distance. He could vaguely make out three pallet loads being lowered onto the ground in front of a cave which was hidden in the rocks somewhere near the hilltop. Some people on the ground were then attending to the items and wheeling them into the cave for storage.This all happened in the evening and by morning there seemed to be no trace of anyone working around the outside of the cave.

Then Billy Graham made his way up the hill, peered inside the cave, saw one of the pallets, and made his way down the hill with a pallet truck carrying what he thought was all that was needed for the job in hand. On the first pallet was stacks and stacks of thousands and thousands of invitations, freshly printed.

The Invitation read:

"You are requested to be present at a Shekinah Glory event that will last forever and ever."
The slightly annoying thing about the invitation was the vagueness in time details. The invitation seemed to point mostly to a future date, but did  include some contemporary details, however nobody could agree firmly on them.

Some time later, waves of other Shekinah construction workers came. 
There was Morris Cerullo. Winkie Pratney of Youth With a Mission. There was Benny Hinn. Rheinhardt Bonnke, many others. 

These all peered further into the cave and noticed two pallet loads. The first one as mentioned…but also a second one with perhaps the most important load in terms of content: It turned out to be the Ark of the Covenant with the very Glory of God actually above it. 

This proved very popular because people liked the fact that now the invitations pointed to something that appeared to start now, and went on for ever. The Shekinah celebrations were fantastic and even larger quantities of people were affected as these men all went on the road with their teams. By now also it was easier to teach other workers because the process was made easier by having more than just invitations to study and hand out. There was the real Ark to gaze  and be amazed at, and participate in. 

They discovered the fastest way to carry the Shekinah glory was on a brand new cart pulled by oxen.This had the convenience that the work was done for you, but it also maintained a nice link with the traditions of the past, that everyone admired.
Oxen,you see, added the needed gravitas to the whole affair. 

 Terry Virgo and Rob Rufus would simply pitch up in a new city, bring a crowd of people with them,skilled in the contents of the two pallets, wheel out the Shekinah and within a few weeks or a couple of years at most they had built "warehouses of the grace of God ", like PCWorld scattered all over the globe. Che Ahn was brilliant at this, so was Yonghi Cho. It was so impressive.

Just one thing though. One thing nobody seemed to notice. Dan had seen three pallet loads being put into the cave. A young man called Todd Bentley became aware that there were in fact three pallet loads in the cave and began wheeling the 3^rd one out of the back of the cave for inspection. It was the Florida Revival. Something new was happening!

Todd became increasingly irritated with the other men who had gone before, but he found it difficult to put his finger on why. Because, as they all assured him, they had the invitations, and the most important thing of all, the very Shekinah of God. Joseph Prince was really adamant about this. So Todd , although aware of the third pallet, never actually got to unload it properly and just buckled down, as instructed by Wagner, Che Ahn and others who were on TV, to a daily maintenance check of the new cart.

Todd had more and more trouble with his personal problems. Somehow the grace that Rob Rufus and Joseph Prince were talking about was not helping him as he was driving the cart forward. Rob Rufus, Joseph Prince and many others made encouraging noises to do with Romans Chapters 3,4,5 and 8. Dan wondered to himself, if Todd Bentley had been instructed properly about the contents and usage of the third pallet by his mentors from the beginning, whether he would have had so much trouble.He also noticed that New Cart preachers never went through Romans 6 and 7 properly.

Instead,every time Todd Bentley had personal problems, all would ask about his Cart maintenance schedule.( In fact all the previous apostles of the Shekinah Glory (ON THE CART INC), gathered round Todd at one point, to officially recognise him as a full OX CART evangelist as if he had been an OXCART Fellow Seminarian.) Todd pointed out that his Cart schedule was already pretty hefty, working out at 5 hours. The others reminded him that Benny Hinn thought 6 hours was necessary and carried on driving their own carts forward.

Pretty soon , as with all previous revivals, sooner or later the cart hit a severe bump and Todd was reprimanded very firmly by some and beaten into the ground by others. But the one thing that Dan noticed was that nobody had even mentioned that the third pallet had made a brief if somewhat unexplored appearance in front of the cave.

Dan went out of his house to take a closer look. When he arrived at the cave, in the darkness he could see that the Zerubbabel group (http://www.zpress.org/newsletter/) had already taken the cover off the pallet and were already working with the content quietly and unnoticed. What on earth was it? It appeared to be two long wooden poles or something. He asked them what they were going to do with the two poles? Were they going to carry the Ark of the Testimony with it? They said they didn’t believe in the experience of the second pallet. But they were gilding the poles quietly and that they would be happy with that and handing out invitations from the first pallet. (Rob Rufus had told Dan not to have anything to do with the poles. That’s New Age he said. I used to see fakirs sitting on top of them before I was converted. Have nothing to do with the third pallet Dan. It’s all grace and oxcarts now.)

Dan asked Zerubbabel,” But what about Che Ahn? Rob Rufus, Joseph Prince? Morris Cerullo, Benny Hinn? Youth With A Mission? “ “Never heard of them”, they replied. “Are they people on TV? We don’t do TV. And we believe the gold on the poles is everywhere, and that is enough for us.”

Dan was a bit shocked. Also he could see a long and protracted debate going on between them and people like Madame Guyon, and Mother Basilea Schlink, R.Edward Miller , Ruth Heflin, and Gene Edwards. They were all saying the poles should be called brokenness, like the pole that Jacob leaned on, and the staff that Moses had which budded. But Zerubbabel were adamant that these poles of the Christ Life within had now superceded everything else, because they reversed the original root problem in Genesis 3:5. So Dan went away totally bemused.

He thought to himself: "Rob Rufus , Terry Virgo ,Joseph Prince, Morris Cerullo, Che Ahn all had the second pallet, but hadn’t much clue about how the third pallet contents worked, or weren’t entirely sure of the pallet's existence. Because after all, it was grace, and the New Covenant! All you needed to do was drive a new cart around with the songs ,message and contents of the first and second pallet.  

Zerubbabel were familiar with the third pallet as were many others from the past, but didn’t feel it had any connection with the 2^nd pallet. Which was a bit odd...since the poles were only made to operate with the other pallets. They just liked the poles as they were, now gilded. And Todd Bentley was sitting in the corner of the cave confused, somewhat battered, and believing that somehow there was a way that all three pallets could be used together, so they could do away with the rather rubbish new cart way of pushing the glory of God around."

I SUBMIT THIS FOR DISCUSSION

The Basis of the Florida references comes from a report that was sent me surrounding the last weeks, that I have also sent Dan Bowen. Both Christine and I have been puzzling over the different strands of things that were taking place in Florida.