A Bigger Revival Cycle than Normal

 

I don't know what led up to the Pentecostal outpourings in several key locations , except as soon as the 1850s revival waned the Welsh chapel prayer meetings were on the job.

Maybe by then , both in the States and UK they were on approximate 50 year cycles and that is what they had learned to do . I don't know about Black Forest the heart of occult Bavaria or Armenia or the Pacific Islands . They will have a story .

I lived the 60s and it was a smaller version of now for negativities . Loads of alarm clocks set up by the enemy including Communist Cuba . Now with hindsight we can see Tavistock BBC programming Britain by increments , making it look a natural thing . Yesterday I saw a post for a sitcom called Robin's Nest . Totally unrealistic in practice because in reality the mixed sexes or same sex individuals close themselves off , each having their own lives .

The main thing is the Jesus Move happened .

They gathered in houses because the other churches wouldn't have Baptism in the Spirit .

Or some Word based churches , like some Baptist churches and some more open Brethren took baptism in the Spirit on board .

Bible weeks happened , really the start of the Spirit filled conferences that are more cross the board then just the Pentecostal groups , and these became the new churches .

The missing link in both evangelicalism and the new churches is the same . The Holy Spirit is doing His job taking people through the material of Romans and Ephesians , but we haven't the thirdlevellers still that existed in the New Testament . And quite simply , this sentence of Jesus sorts that out .

If you abide in My Word then you are truly My disciples , and you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free .

Once there are thirdlevel churches .....the awkward ,Romans 6 and 7 process can be midwifed .

It's fantastic we can have Acts Jerusalem Church in our Bibles to show us it's possible , indeed it's the Spirit norm once people see ......

This is primarily what apostles pray for .....

I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened .

Once you see the independent self and you can see with a single eye so your body is filled with Light , you are your own Bethel set of earpods.

You begin to be revival going on .

The life of God precedes Ephesians and Romans .

That's just like the Watchman Nee and Norman Grubb descriptions of what always is .

King David has so many parallels because , though not yet inside the New Covenant , he is seeking hard after God in his heart , and finding these eternal places inside the IAm God outside all time .

Isaiah and Ezekiel and so many others are doing the same .

Enoch is actually wassing not , so amazing was what he got hold of .

We know there are awkward bits in the importation of Christ into our souls because Jesus tells us parables .

Because of our Fall lock- in to us being soul centric and believing we are soul empowered beings like Richard Dawkins , the initial Word of God is only heard as words in our left brain . It hasn't reached the soil of our heart and spirit yet , which is like seed falling on the road way . The very next bird flying on on the BBC can pick up the seed and eat it up and that's more or less it .

But the next really really hard time , even more than the persecutions , are the bitter weeds and traumas of our twisted inner seeing . Some of it is ours , some goes back 6000 years , culturally hard wired into us .

Our current churches aren't churches in the ecclesia meaning . Only in the solo ministry teaching synagogue sense with a warm up band .

True ecclesia isn't just book teaching , it's the pillar and ground of truth of a brand new community off the Genesis 3 independent self platform .

We have exoerienced churches with some measure of DIVERSE ONE in 1 Corinthians 12 but it's true to say we never reach DIVERSE TWO because we have a king .....a pastor .....when really 1 John 1 shows a set of DIVERSE MINISTRIES , born out by Revelation 12.1 a Crown of 12stars breadth .

Otherwise you get stuck in the pastoral or the helps ministry or the prophetic or obscure fine points about teachings .

But DIVERSE MINISTRIES brings us into entanglement and that's what Life is ...everything coming at us from all angles .

Then we are built up in faith and expectation to reach about Day 3 of a conference which is the THIRD DIVERSE .....the Holy Spirit sovereignly doing His operations .

We lived many of those in a protracted way in Bible House . One of the most complex lasted 2 years or so and involved turning a paralysed 28 year old into a normal married wife in Barcelona though herself Geordie Newcastle . But it was a whole work of Sovereign revelation to her , and Body members doing steps of raw obedience .

In a meeting it's different manifestations of the Holy Spirits visitation .

Here's two truths ........as Norman Grubb taught , Galatians 2.20, Romans 12.1 , Colossians 3 3 living meand you stay in revival .

The Holy Spirit sticks around the living Christ in us .

Otherwise we are spending our whole lives still in Genesis 3 but rubbing our Aladdins Lamp to get the genie .

The Living Christ doesn't have a pastor .

All are ours .

And that right there is the Song of Solomon 5 issue .

We don't appear to submit . We submit to Word coming from elders plural , which is proper ecclesia , but no , we are not part of a pyramid .

We are in something called roof with holes Tabernacles . Some bits intersect with our current churches ......but it's a bit like the 60s again .....the train is still arriving on Platform 9 3/4.

The other truth comes through R Edward Miller , and I don't see them as mutually exclusive but both ...and ....continual revival and this truth ........

The Holy Spirit works in Feast Cycles .....not earthly Jewish cycles .....well He may do as well .....but in the Spirit He takes us through His own seasons of Passover Pentecost and Tabernacles .

Or petsambulations around Nehemiah's 12 Jerusalem Gates which have massive meaning to be unearthed .

By the time we reach Gate 9 the Eastern Gate , Aldi the number of months of childbirth .

By the time we reach Feast of outpouring of water and Feast of Ingathering in the Tabernacles week , that's Sovereign Revival .....always bigger than we can imagine .

God says in Isaiah .....behold I do a new thing will you now perceive it ?

In the 70s when the prophets are citing this verse , we all sat on our laurels and thought " ofcourse ofcourse it's baptism in the Spirit , we got this ".

But no .....God meant what He said .

This really is platform 9 3/4 stuff .

It's thirdlevel church .

It's the treasure in the field of mud .

It's also mystical with all these believers being caught up in the Spirit in the more recent moves .

It's both acacia box Mercy Seat Norman Grubb and Khavod Charlie Shamp or Kathie Walters or put in any names you know .

I spent from 1972 to 1988 in worship situations .

Either leading like Amersham , West Germany , and Exeter and co leading in Emsworth .

Then I did my Song of Solomon 5, and got locked into the freefall of faith and Galatians 2.20.

People smell me .....and they may be smelling residue .....but quite often they are smelling a complete departure from the secondlevel , which occurred very physically in Emsworth .

While Moses raising the snake , and Gideon's Ephod and maybe Rachel's tomb were good at the time , they became idols .

While Israel had to go through the wilderness they were never meant to stay there . It became their idol and they died inside it .

The Pentecostal and Charismatic womb produced the Feast Of Tabernacles baby .

The Word of God was never Book of Ezra on its own , but it moved to Book of Nehemiah .

The Word of God is always Light on a Hill , City on a Hill .

The Word of God never remained in prayer meetings inside John Milton's cottage nor William Penn's cottage in Chalfont St Giles but as Bill Bryson wrote , it became Pennsylvania and the Great American Experiment .

The Dragon is always poised to pounce on the next Manchild .

If he's nolonger poised ....that means he has already eaten your network .

There was a 400 year lull before Jesus .

There's been a longer than 50 year cycle in revival .

Behold I do a new thing can you now perceive it????

Leonard Ravenhill Interview - His story

The Order of the Holy Spirit

One Hundred years ago something started to shift.
Something seismic happened, which the devil wanted to make sure never happened again.
So , in direct response, his ragings increased something like 10 fold. History is now there for everyone to see, but in the space of one short century, lest we concentrate any more time and energy to what just happened in Wales and Azusa Street and the Black Forest in Germany, he pulled and nudged and guided and directed left-brain locked humans:
into two world wars
inwhich callous generals sent wave after wave of human flotsam into the path of new killing machines in trench warfare
he inspired men to think it a good idea to arrange for themselves an Acts paradise of shared property and possessions without new birth and by superimposition from above in the name of atheism (Communism by way of Marx)
and to do this in such a way that in both Russia and China the biggest swathes of indiginous population up until this date were simply vaporised at the whims of dictator leaders.

Using age-old spiritism on one side and a hubristic left-brain hook-up on the other, he inspired the cleverest nation on earth to think they were weaving for themselves a completely new salvation that somehow involved the Aryan race, and the destruction of every living Jew in range by means of a clever mass organised purpose-built infrastructure that involved gas ovens.
And so the century continued, interspersed with other huge scale disasters such as the 1918 flu pandemic which killed more than the rest of the First World War.

Through the direct cat and mouse influence of one totally given to his schemes, the devil-inspired Chairman Mao Tse Tung, the Americans were drawn in hook line and sinker to a war that was impossible to win in Vietnam.

Meanwhile, the pincer movement back in the west was to so use the domestic disillusionment caused by this raging to further lock people up in their left-brains, such that by now all intelligentsia were now continuing in the very thought processes that had led up to the second world war in Germany..."the fact that clearly God was dead", "church was finished" and all that remained was the French philosophic movement of Sartre and Camus and existentialism. I was in University at the very tail end of this and read every so often of another student's death as in direct logical conclusion, another would hurl him or herself to her death off a high building.

So what was this thing that the devil was so sure he did not want further investigated?

Listen! It wasn't just the rediscovery of the baptism in the Spirit and the supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit as principally outlined in 1 Corinthians 12-14, and referred to continuously if not obliquely at several points in Acts, as well as phrases such as "laying on of hands" in Timothy, and "powers of the age" to come as in Hebrews.

No.Something far greater was happening on the floor through Evan Roberts. Something that has scarce been mirrored since through nearly 100 years of programmed, progressive Pentecostal effort.

It was a COMPLETELY new Order. The Order of the Holy Spirit.
Where the One actually sent to prepare a Bride for the Son was allowed to fulfil His task, probably for the first time in such a corporate way since the Book of Acts was first written.

Now although, initially , in Wales at least, it was only one man who really got this order, who really understood how to move with it, a man called Evan Roberts, IT was Never
I repeat Never
I repeat Never
the Holy Spirit's intention to ever again raise up another human pyramid around a charismatic man,
a charismatic leader,
who would continue the line that the devil began in the garden
after his own order
which always involves pyramids of power based on the most willing to fall into line with his whims.
The devil only understands pyramids.
It's how he runs his own unseen kingdom.
Anyone falling into line with his unseen kingdom will build according to this pyramid.
The most obedient will look like the Italian mafia. Or Chinese Chairman Mao. Or Russian Lenin and worse still Stalin.
The less obedient will look like
Bill Johnson
Joseph Prince
Morris Cerullo
Benny Hinn
Yongghi Cho
Terry Virgo
Frank Viola
People who cultivate a culture that revolves around them. Without meaning to.
Simply because they have never learned to listen to the prophetic.
That somewhere within them is a blueprint of "the fathers" and how they have always run things, rather than being diligent to seek out how the Holy Spirit runs His church
as laid out in new books appearing by people like Jack Fortenberry (Corinthian Elders).
And with each new insight or angle, these other charismatic dazzlers write a book in their name which further cements
the idolatrous notion of a symbiotic relationship in the people of God.

Remember, the same spirit that works in unbelievers to call the Apostle Paul Zeus one minute, then when he refuses to play ball, they stone him,
is the same spirit at work in the church....
To the extent that the "independant self delusion is not dealt with". (See the rest of the contents of this blog or read the link to Norman Grubb's book "Yes I am".)

If I may I will write that again.
To the extent that a gathering of believers do not believe or are muzzy about who they are now since the Cross, is the extent they are still able to be manipulated by the spirit that takes its blueprint from the devil's pyramid order.

So God has instituted a way of running things
that does not involve a Pastor at the head of it.
That does involve apostles and elders.
But obliquely and subtly.
Like Evan Roberts.

If you can understand how a man can run things face down on the floor.
Then you can understand the New Order.
If you can understand how a man can run things by appearing to do nothing directly then you can start to understand a third level church.
If you can understand Moses standing on a hillside with a battle raging, with two men at his side lifting his arms....then you are starting to see it.
If you can see a group of men kind of piggybacking each other in a kind of tag game, delivering the Word in sequence , in the sequence the Holy Spirit shows, as the Holy Spirit gives utterance and all in the powerful Presence of the Holy Spirit

such as we saw oh so briefly in the London brothers at Friends meeting House in 1974-5.
As we saw oh so briefly at the beginning of their influence in the 70s, the brothers in Fort Lauderdale , Derek Prince,Don Basham,Ern Baxter,Bob Mumford etc.that so radically changed the way we did things in Britain.

If you can see the outbreak in Toronto in 1994, and understand that although it appeared to revolve around the couple John and Carol Arnott- THAT WAS NOT THE SUM OF ITS STRUCTURE.

If you can start to see in the Spirit what He was wanting to start doing through the platforms of Lakeland ,Florida in 2008.....and those who were there, it was not simply to build around the one man flame thrower Todd Bentley, although we must honour him as the fire-starter...well this end of heavenly proceedings...

But an order was starting to form. The same order that would have matured a hundred years earlier if Evan Roberts not been knocked out of the flow.

Yes God uses ministries. Men and women. Yes there is a sort of structure to things. Kind of familial. Yes there is mutual respect. Actually it is more like a dance in the flow of the Holy Spirit.

But once people actually understand what a ministry before God is. Once people understand the first ever post I wrote which can be found in Dan's Vaults and on his site....which was the words of Ed Miller.
A ministry is just a taxi driver to the throne of God. Once he has brought a believer there, his role is finished.

Ministry, and in particular 3rd level apostolic ministry is simply the presentation of Christ as a believer. Laying the foundation of Christ AS that person in a believer.
Ripping away the false delusion of an independant self, so that a human being can begin for the first time to live as was always his or her destiny....knowing Christ in them as them.

The point of what we are calling the Key of David way of running meetings is that believers experience this new order.
That they learn how to function in it, as was happening in Florida, and now appears to be continuing in IHOP Kansas.

All the men in the ministry list above are people with a David heart. Yongghi Cho even calls himself David.
But the first David, probably through exhuberance, and a lack of due diligence

returned the Ark to Jerusalem on a New cart. He was returning to "the fathers way of doing things"...by this I mean, not his spiritual fathers...because he would have then known to do it right, according the Levitical pattern...
No I mean "fathers" in the generic sense.
The way the world does things. The humanly expected method. The way that does not involve knowing the heavenly pattern. The default "pyramid" pattern that was drawn up by the father of lies. The one that does not involve relationship. Sensitivity.

A pattern which may not reveal itself straight away, but one that emerges pretty soon in the form of anger, frustration, fear, domination, and ultimately if not corrected
ICHABOD - the Glory is gone.

I believe when we receive revelation and the manner we receive revelation to be important. Like the heaps of stones, the waymarkers of the patriarchs.

I received the revelation of the New Cart way of doing things, the incorrect way, in precisely this context. Now God never allowed me to bring what I was seeing, He used me to bring something else. But it all surrounded, funnily enough in the context of this post, Wales.

I was in a Cinderella role in a Welsh Conference quietly helping out with some children's work. Actually not in the meetings at all. This was around 1983. There was an oppression affecting all of us. One aspect to it was some kind of Jezebel spirit coming through the women as well as control I guess coming through the men.
So the leader doing the kid's work and myself really gave ourselves to intercession. Actually we had no choice. Our guts were gripped by such an intense feeling of helplessness and powerlessness, and here we were trying to look a bit encouraged for the conference kids. Precisely then, and in that conference did I then get this whole gripping revelation about charismatics bringing the Ark back home on a New cart. But it is not until this blogin the last 2 years, that I have seen so clearly what we have been doing.
As soon as I got this clear breakthrough in revelation, the very next morning absolutely everybody was called into the main hall to seek God together. God used me to give a breakthrough prophetic word for the conference. I think that was my first in a conference setting. It was a clear prophetic promise concerning the significance of that conference for the whole of Wales. At that time there was so little happening in Wales as compared with England.

A breakthrough Word sets the tone of a conference or meeting. It is like an invasion of the Kingdom of God into what may have felt up until then quite a staid, normal human gathering, with nothing happening.

I am sharing this, not to draw attention to myself, but simply to say this post has already had accompanying signs to it. The material is not new, although it comes with greater clarity.
If we want the glory of God to return to God's House, we have to learn to do things according to the heavenly pattern and be extra diligent about not building any more symbiotic Zeus Clubs.
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This post was nudged by this Facebook post below and my personal desire to nail exactly what my misgivings are with people being so evidently used by God like Bill Johnson and Rob Rufus and Joseph Prince.
New Creation Church Is NOT A Cult!Share
Stanley Wong
Sunday, 07 February 2010 at 23:30
For the past few weeks, I have been playing Joel Osteen's DVD sermon, "A New Season of God's Mercy (Favour)", at my stall over and over again. Last Saturday, a first-time customer saw the DVD sermon and warned me to be careful of his teachings. She learnt that I was from NCC and immediately gave me a disapproving look and told me to "be careful of these cults; their teachings are not based on the bible". She also said that the preachers are promoting themselves only.

Despite she being my customer, I could not resist telling her off. I told her that she can disagree with NCC's teachings but she cannot label NCC as a "cult". It seems that the term "cult" is freely thrust upon any church that does not seem to conform to the preaching or theologies of mainstream/traditional churches, especially if the church in question does not belong to any recognized denomination. I'm sure that Methodists, Presbyterians, Baptists, Lutherans, Pentecostals and other denominations differ and disagree with one another on certain aspects of theology but you don't hear their church members labeling the other churches as cults.

Since 17 Dec 2008, I have been regularly attracting hits on my blog through google search. Anyone want to venture a guess on the googled keywords? Yes, you've guessed right: "new creation church cult" (see picture, left) and the reason why google direct them to my blog is because of the article I posted on 17 Dec 2008 - "Is New Creation Church a cult?".


In that post, I reprinted an article which described the characteristics of a cult, and I think it is worthwhile to reiterate the key points of that article here:

1. A cult, by modern standards, is any group that incorporates mind control to deceive, influence and govern its followers.

2. The mind control, or brainwashing, exerted by cults often take the form of at least several of the following elements:

a) A totalitarian control over the lifestyle and time of its members - Many cults tend to dictate exactly what its followers should read, eat, how and with whom they should spend their time, and even what they should do in off hours. This totalitarian control is necessary for the leaders to indoctrinate the followers in everything they do, and is also an attempt to separate them from anything not associated with the cult. This is why cults often live together in groups.

b) A charismatic, self-appointed leader with complete authority - Cult members are taught not to question the teachings, practices, or ideas of the leader. Many cult leaders truly are charismatic people, and are able to influence people to believe them. One very clear identifying element dealing with the leader of a cult is that the leader will always focus the attention and veneration of the members upon himself or herself. At the heart of a cult usually lies a very self-centered and self-seeking person.

c) A focus on withholding truth from non-members - Many cults teach their followers to be completely open and truthful within the group, while at the same time they are encouraged to be secretive and evasive when questioned by people outside of the group. Only specially-commissioned members are appointed to recruit members from outside. New members are usually encouraged to keep silent or even lie, especially to their families and close friends.

The three elements listed above are very successful ways to create a group mentality, an us-against-them way of looking at things. This is essential for any cult that wants to keep its members. The more afraid of the outside world the members become, the more strongly and faithfully they will keep within the safe fold of the cult.



I regularly attend New Creation Church's Sunday worship service together with my family and about 19,000 other people, and from my personal experience, I can tell that we are not a bunch of tightly controlled zombies worshiping Pastor Prince. Pastor Prince himself has also encouraged us not to just blindly accept everything he says but to check his preaching with what we read in the bible for ourselves.


Pastor Prince's sermon CDs are available for sale at the Rock bookshop and on the online store, and those sermon CDs, which date from the year 2000 and represent hundreds of hours of preaching, are easily accessible to any critic who wish to mine for any evidence of Pastor Prince preaching heresy or focusing the attention and veneration of the members upon himself.

Sad to say, many of these critics shoot their mouths off based on hearsay rather than examining the evidence at the source. At this juncture, let me express my utmost respect for Pastor Kenny aka blogpastor who, in his blog post "Give Joseph Prince A Fair Hearing", said "Pastors should not just go by hearsay and what they read of others’ comments, but actually go to the source and give Joseph Prince a fair hearing: read his books or listen to his tapes. Put down your guns and set aside the warning label called “antinomian” for the time being, roll the sleeves, and do some honest research."

Without a doubt, Pastor Prince is a charismatic preacher but I challenge anyone to produce evidence of Pastor Prince preaching a sermon which promotes only himself. Every Sunday, we hear Pastor Prince preach only Christ and His finished work on the cross. Of course, not everyone agrees with all that he preaches, and over the years there have been people who left NCC because they could not accept his preaching but looking at how NCC has almost doubled from 10,000 members in 2004 to 19,000 today, it is obvious that many more have come than left. However, my point is not to boast about NCC's church growth but to highlight the fact that NCC's members are FREE to come and go, which certainly is NOT the characteristic of a cult.

About 2 weeks ago, a customer patronised my stall. I chatted with him and discovered that he also attends NCC. He said, "Coming to NCC was the best thing that happened in my life." He is not the only one to feel that way. I also feel the same and hearing the testimonies read in church every Sunday, I know quite a few others from America, Europe and other parts of the world feel the same too. Again, my point is not to boast about NCC but to highlight the fact that for every critic out there who objects to and disapproves of Pastor Prince's preaching, there are many more whose lives have been transformed for the better because their eyes have been opened through his sermons.

Am I asking you to agree with Pastor Prince's preaching? NO! I am asking you to listen to Pastor Prince's sermons and read his books for yourself before you condemn him, NCC and its members!! Don't you dare call NCC a cult without producing any evidence to support your accusation!!!

My reply and that of Geraldine Tan -Wee
Chris Welch The drawback with Pastor Prince is not Pastor Prince.The drawback is that it is like Acts 2 but with only Peter preaching.Now we know he was the first preacher, but he stood up with the other 11 surrounding him, and all of them were used to preach from house to house and probably in ongoing meetings. Pastor Prince as wide as he is on the very key subject of grace, needs the other 11, who have received the other revelations in God's Word. It would be like only feeding on Rob Rufus of Hong Kong or Ern Baxter in the 70s without all the other 70s preachers. Things Pastor Prince does not preach on yet, presumably because he hasn't met them yet, is "the dark night of the soul, and Romans 7 from this perspective, the Total exchange that took place at the Cross, and how we live our lives now Christ as me in my form, with my personality. He has that joy to come!!!
Today at 11:03 · Chris Welch But he is not a cultleader!
Today at 11:05 · Chris Welch For more light on all this read Jack Fortenberry's new book "Corinthian Elders". See my blog or Amazon
Today at 11:07 · Geraldine Tan-Wee The thing is this- the Holy Spirit teaches all things. PP(Pastor Prince, she means.Call no man father...or anything else for that matter! Receive them for their gift , yes, but the fruit is not your lips, it is actually hearing, understanding, and doing what they bring that you become a Living letter describing what they were bringing - then move onACW) does not have exclusive insight because the same teacher that teaches Him, teaches us. That said, some people have greater discernment than others. We all have the same source of wisdom, but not every one taps into it.

IMHO Why PP is a good pastor is because he boldly preaches grace without letting the naysayers faze him. And I am glad that he has a group of very good pastors (after 37 years of this stuff, this is a very chilling phrase indeed ACW)that also provide very interesting insight into the Word. Because most the sermons from our church that is shown overseas is that of our senior Pastor (just as Hillsong's is Brian Houston, CHC's is Kong Hee and Lakewood's is Joel Osteen, etc.) you have not met our other anointed pastors- Ps Matthews, Ps Gabriel, Ps Mark, Ps Lian, Ps Keith, Ps Christina, Ps Lawrence, Ps Benjamin, Ps Daniel, Ps Barnabas Kim, Ps Henry, Ps Darren, Ps Wee Soo Teck, Ps Joshua, .... hey! What do you know? That's more than 11 other pastors that share the pulpit and help lead the church along with him! =)

What is good is that he doesn't just feed the church members, he teaches them how to study the bible (and the writings of other grace based writers) in the right context. Most NCC-ers are able to discern the Word and study the Word in depth because sermons in NCC do go into the original Hebrew and Greek of the Word, as well as touch on biblical symbols and types. ... See more

And yes he is NOT a cult leader. I can still make my mind up about everything in my life. A cult leader won't allow that. =)

Today at 11:30 · ReportChris Welch It is very good that you write and make clear what is not clear to external televised audiences. Thankyou. I feel strongly the Holy Spirit is not letting your church off the hook though and I have tried to put it down in a long post here. Please understand I am not into destructive criticism.What the Holy Spirit is always doing is Yea and Amen ... ...Ever since the the 70s in our home town revival here in 72, followed by reading about Mel Tari, then subsequent meetings in London...I see the continuation of another order entirely emerging.
http://080808onnowto.blogspot.com/2010/02/order-of-hoy-spirit.html
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I am opening My full Toolkit of Prayer

1/Martyr's blood is a powerful seed. Their blood has a voice, and the Lord will not allow a single drop of it to pass away. While we may have seen a few salvations here and there as a result of their deaths, we have yet to see the full impact of the death of the martyrs in the earth.
....All that has been stolen in the earth will be repaid all at once in one massive decree of God's justice..... John Crowder - Miracleworkers,Reformers and the New Mystics. My area in which I grew up,Amersham, even had its own martyrs whose memorial was put up in the 30s. see here and again here to learn more. It was very much a seedbed area of honouring the Word of God. Though the inhabitants of Amersham today carry on their normal "independent self lives" according to Genesis 3:5, God the Father who sees and knows all things, has not forgotten this demonstration of Revelation 12:11 in action "They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death." These were of the generation who paved the way with their lives for the enshrined freedoms that Britain was to inherit, which meant that Christians, first here and then America were able to retrace the steps of the real heavenly tabernacle in experience, from which the Jewish Tabernacle was but a shadow.

2/For 2000 years our nation has prayed the equivalent of a crafted prayer up and down this land every Sunday and many of the days in between. Our Father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name, THY KINGDOM COME, THY WILL BE DONE, ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. Just as the 1960s saw books positing "God is dead",(In 1963, Episcopal theologian Paul van Buren started the God-is-dead movement with the publication of his book The Secular Meaning of the Gospel. That same year, Anglican Bishop John Robinson said in his book Honest to God, “The whole scheme of a supernatural being coming down from heaven to ‘save’ mankind from sin ... is frankly incredible to man ‘come of age.’”) then out of nowhere a whole generation of us (many like me church attenders for years who never heard the gospel preached in simplicity and reality once) and most others, who had never been in a church in their lives....all swept in to the Kingdom at the time of the Jesus People, and the Festival of Light 1971, followed by the Festival for Jesus 1972. So now, we have just had "The God Delusion" but also a time of global recession, and people everywhere are looking afresh for answers.But they won't necessarily be trad. church answers. They will again be New Wineskin answers.

3/Praying to the wells...."Spring Up!!!" On October 3rd 2009 Rachel Hickson is leading a seminar day at Lenchwood Christian Centre, near Evesham (RIVERcamp venue). A leading prophetic voice in our nation, (daughter of Alan and Eileen Vincent and looks it too. Almost a perfect 50/50 morph) she will be addressing some of these things. Here's just a couple of well stories. Our overseeing pastor Peter Stott suddenly felt one day to go to the Corfe Mullen area to pray over that area that had known such a move of God about 20 years ago. Out on the hillside he was aware of another figure, who as they approached each other was all too familiar. A guy called David Kingston, another Trust administrator behind the scenes in our church. (Remember, those who are not local, this is all 80 miles away to the west.)Peter asked him what he was doing, to which David replied "Same as you I guess." Second example. Last Sunday I had to deliver a piano from Southampton to Fishguard , Pembrokeshire, South Wales. As it was only 20 minutes drive from Stuart and Charmian Wentworth (the Wentworth dynasty remember - Helen Rubio, Grace ,Anna,Elizabeth - Jose's wife, also Paul and Daniel) I spent the afternoon with them. They have only just moved up there, but have felt a call to Wales for years. They are close to a church in Haverford West which formed under the ministries of Tony Fitzgerald and Bob and Rose Weiner - all now in the States. But Stuart's vision is to be open and available to God's plans for Wales. A number of interlinking details have been shared with me which reflect on their past (Stuart went to Aberystwyth Uni...was converted there) also various Patagonian links in Argentina...remember a whole contingent upped and left for Argentina a century ago. But what is really interesting for this post is

A) Stuart has personally revisited the two key chapels that Evan Roberts was in and also where the revival in Wales began in the first wave in the 1850s . See my book section on Jessie Penn Lewis.

B) Stuart has been struck by and been drawn to the new emphasis on the monastic dynamic. This dynamic comes up in Prayer 24/7 as boiler rooms and Punk monks. And is referred to again in John Crowder's book above. A part of what I call the 3rd Level contains this aspect of a protracted waiting upon God. When Alan Vincent asked me what I wanted to do...quick as a flash from my belly, before my mind could naff it up, I replied "a job where I can meditate..." You can imagine guffaws of laughter as Alan replied "Yeah everyone would love a job where they can idly day dream all day!" But Alan was very good and remained silent. Well in actual fact....God arranged it for me and I've spent 28 years meditating while I tune pianos. And that is where all this 3rd level stuff is coming from. So yes, by now I am either stark raving bonkers....or this STUFF IS ALL TRUE! As David found out there meditating in the fields with his sheep.

I feel God is saying this. (This is coming out of experiences over the last few days. My time with Stuart. Eating an Indian meal in a restaurant in Bridgend with a taxi driver there. Experiencing the "impossible/implausible unity of 20 churches" in Restore Hope Latimer, many of whom I personally had trouble with in various ways 30 years ago. It was like a waking dream.)

Take seriously the heritage in this land. Pray into it. Be aware of where I have moved. Of what was learned... What has continued as spiritual heritage down to this day. I honour My own work. I move out from My own work. Do not discard My work as if it was a mere work of man. Pray "Spring Up again O well"

Take days off. Go to towns, cities, hillside regions to pray. Pray singly, in twos, in groups.

Go to places to pray over locations at nights in vehicles if it is difficult to pray openly.

Sense where I am going to break out next and pray into it.

Pray into locations where a move has never been known. Pray into the portions of the country still steeped in folklore, Green Man,Pagan rituals/witchcraft rituals.

Pray my Kingdom into poor regions. Depressed regions. Pray for me to move sovereignly. Pray for me to insert you into the answer to the prayers."Pray for the Lord of the harvest to send out workers" still remains true. I am the Lord of the harvest. It is My harvest. I own it. You are co-workers.With Me. And with each other.

Pray with the same fervour as you pray for these things, but now for the manifest unity of my people. Understand that the same dark strongholds that sit aperch towns mired in hopelessness and poverty, are the same type of dark strongholds that sit above churches to keep them apart from one another. Treat these things with the same ferocious tenacity, and do not any longer rely purely on ecumenical mechanisms to eventually sort the problem out.

Do not be afraid. As you pray I am opening my full tool kit of prayer. You will pray in new ways that you have not known. Prophecy is learned as you move in my direction with my concerns. Not in just passively seeking to prophecy.You will find you learn healing prayers. Deliverance prayers. Prayers for government. Prayers unlocking regions. Prayers in forms no one has ever yet prayed. The foolish way will become the way of great power. You say, but I do not know how to pray. You will find as you step out in the same way as Peter stepped out of the boat, that you too will learn to walk on water, to pray as no generation before. Today I place this mantle upon this generation says the Lord.17thSeptember2009

Life in Three Dimensions

I'm excited about this because I really believe it is another parable clue to explaining what I am on about. I really think this could be from the Lord Himself...because He always was brilliant at parables.

Parables I realised recently are God's way of flicking us over from left-brain "meter" or "law-based" thinking if you will, to a more comprehensive "picture" or "creative" way of thinking usually associated with the right brain.

I've covered this material briefly here. But again I want to say this. In the 90s when this right brain /leftbrain stuff came out it was such a release for us artist/musical/prophetic types that we made the mistake of relating the right-brain to our spirits. On this blog I have been careful not to do this.
Spirit is spirit. It is NOT material. Brain is brain. It IS material. It is the electrical mechanics behind our thinking. And mind....well...it's our soul, but like spirit you can never pinpoint it...though materialist thinkers (using materialist in its original philosophical meaning) think the electrical signals is all there is to us.

Electrical readings show us we use parts of our brain for different skills...sometimes on their own ,sometimes together. They also show that in a healthy person we have some sort of telephone exchange system between the two sides of our brain.

Dyslexia,dyspraxia (poor physical co-ordination) autism, synesthesia......all show up as different ways of processing.

I was listening to Frank Viola today who again referenced our Western tendency to Aristotelian thinking. Tony Fitzgerald used to call it "Greek thinking" as opposed to Biblical "Hebrew"thinking.

Proverbs is Hebrew thinking...where knowledge is one thing....but wisdom is quite another.
There's a proverb which illustrates the difference. It says somewhere "A proverb in the mouth of a fool is like a man who hasn't the use of his legs."

When we speak wisdom from our spirits IT HAS LEGS. ("That'll walk!!!") It comes out of our lives. Out of the core of our existence.

When an Anglican Bishop who is not even born again speaks the word "God", to a born again person it sounds like an empty sound; it often sounds like his mouth is full of a large potato when he mouths the word. It has no legs, so to cover the reality of the situation, his mouth seems to go into overdrive to make up for the deficiency.

So you can't say Left-brain bad, right-brain good....because you need both to function.

What you cannot do is live from your left-brain alone. And Proverbs 3:5 highlights way too much dependance on our reasoning powers and practically no "trusting" going on in our heart. This has some amazing repercussions. I have covered some already but in future posts I want to cover "how prophets think", I want to cover the mad way Brits and Americans do politics.... and the fundamental differences between how different character types
process information. Here's a nugget to get you going. I lived for a year in France and getting enrolled as a self-employed tuner in their system was something else!!!
I learned this truth: Bureacracy is inversely proportional to the amount of Truth manifest in a nation. You think France is bad...just go to Italy. What does that say about Catholicism???


So back to this post.
What is the Third Level?
It isn't what you think it is.
Traditional left-brain Greek mentality thinking imagines a series of 3 steps going higher and higher. So ofcourse this is offensive because if you claim to be "on the third-level" you are putting yourself above someone else.

Surprisingly and gob-smackingly it is none of this. In a moment I'll give the parable picture. But now I will give some examples.
Ursula describes in her School of Prophecy post being caught up to heaven. So there you are with the Director of all directors, the One who has knowledge of the end from the beginning. You must surely be in for some deep spiritual revelation to confound all others. This surely is a Third-level meeting. Well it confounds others all right. Jesus whirrs you round in His arms. Hugs you. Looks full in your face. Beams with love!!! That's the third-level. I'm so sorry to disappoint the theologians!

Now if this was a freak one-off occurrence you could put this down to Ursula not being quite up to the deep things of God ,so this was Jesus humouring her. But no....

When Roberts Liardon went as a young boy, he was pretty impressed, because Jesus played splash with him in the River of Life. You know deep stuff like that.

When Jesse Duplantis went he described a carbon copy of many of the things Ursula saw, but Jesus was really keen to show him the house he'd had built for him. Jesus had rigged him up with a quadrangle with a fountain, and loads of 17th century type furniture, because he knew Jesse loves that stuff. Jesse said, "I can see you Jesus. I can see the Father. Um...I thought there were three of You? Where's......."
Jesus just looked at him. Jesus grinned. Jesse felt a bit embarrassed. "Oh ofcourse, He is on Earth, preparing the Bride!!!! What a nana I am? How could anyone be so stupid?"

Back on Earth now in revival. And that's what the third level is....it's continuous revival. What do you find?
You find Evan Roberts face down on the podium around 1905 and 6. Only getting up to say something as directed. Quite often he said nothing. And he was the acknowledged leader of the meeting! This is third level!!!
Or you read of Mel Tari , 60 years later. Just going around with a load of friends, being led to do miracles. Without title.Without name. Just lifting up the Name of Jesus. Just loving Jesus with all your heart, soul and strength.Just enjoying the ride.
This is third level.

Third level is what John Stevens writes on his blog about thin places. The wall between the 3rd heaven and here on earth appears to be paper thin.

After Evan Roberts, the Pentecostal movement was born...then some pressed onward into Apostles and prophets, and the Apostolic movement was born. But really , it was like a retreat, back from 3rd level stuff into a more humanly comfortable 2nd level. They couldn't go back to the 1st level, because having tasted the heavenly gifts....well who would ever want to go back that far? But nevertheless....all the "man-directed" junk reappeared. The labels. ...the superintendents..... the heirarchies. And running meetings in the raw effusion of the order of Melchizedek... well the Presence of God wasn't enough anymore!

Here's another third-level truth.
On the way into the tabernacle there are no steps.
In Anglicanism there are steps. You start as a curate. You become a vicar. Then you become a Bishop. Your ermine gets thicker!!! Your penguin costumes get more and more elaborate. You'd better believe there are steps!!! Bishops and vicars have to then perform this mental juggling act between what is read out in the scriptures in a 2 yearly cycle or whatever....so everything that Jesus says about becoming a servant etc.....has to be mentally squared up with the way Anglicanism is run! No wonder some of them have breakdowns! One of my friends has recently de-vicared!!!
Because the tabernacle has no steps...they are forbidden..."lest they show the shame of man's weakness"....the 3rd level or Holy of Holies is on the same level as anything else in the Tabernacle!!!

Here's another 3rdlevellism!!!
Every single human on Earth was taken into the bosom of the Father at the Cross - in Jesus.
The problem is ignorance. People don't know that!!

Every single Christian was born again in the 3rd Level...the Holy of Holies....when Jesus ascended into the heavenlies right into the Holiest Place. This is made clear in Ephesians 1 and 2.

But the god of this world has blinded our eyes. Now some have escaped into level 1. They know Jesus has forgiven them their sins. Some have escaped into level 2 and now manifest the spiritual gifts, lead people to Jesus, and build networks of 2nd levellers. But Juan Carlos Ortiz prophesied that there would come a time when everybody would be born again in the third level, the Holy of Holies....here on earth. The New Covenant...when everyone would know the Lord from the least to the greatest.

And the foretaste of that was Florida last year!!! It wasn't just the Todd Bentley show. Nicholas and Pam were there. Peter Stott was there. Leaders from Southampton and Chichester were there. Basil De Souza came back so zapped...while he was preaching he looked at somebody in India and they were levitated to the ceiling in the glory, such was the Fire of God coming out from his eyes.
The doors of the 3rd level were ajar!!! It was the "Jesus in His worldwide Body" show as televised by God Channel!

But let me explain again what this blog is about.
Suppose the Father gives you a bike. And while enveloping you in His arms, you're sitting on the bike enjoying balancing. And each meeting He gets the bike out, and because He is there holding you very firmly, you are able to balance while the bike is stationary.

Well after several meetings would you not be saying to the Father..."I'm getting a bit frustrated, because you gave me this bike, and you are getting me on it every meeting...but when do I get to actually ride it myself and learn to balance on my own?"
"No. No son. This bike is only for Josh Mills meetings with the gold dust. It won't work out on the roads!!"

Well ofcourse that's silly. And that's the point of this blog. This blog is saying that 3rd level Christianity is precisely that. It's taking Christ in your form, as you...and living him out on the road. Learning to balance the bike yourself. And the glory of this Jesus life is that it works!!!
By faith. By His grace. Not of our own works. But it genuinely is Him living our life. And we activate it as we activate anything by stepping out on His Word. By believing in our heart and by confessing with our mouth. Like Dan who continually writes and says "Iam the righteousness of God in Christ!" Whew that's a powerful one!

But that's not the parable.

It's in answer to this question that has been buzzing in my mind for months."If this 3rd level thing has nothing to do with elitism...how on earth do I articulate that in left-brain words. How do I say I am exploring the 3rd level without it sounding really like I'm saying I am something special."
Well I believe this is one of those nuggets that Jesus has breathed Himself. It's like this.

Three dimensions.
Physicists say a single point is a singularity. Imagine an infinitely small dot having no height, no width and no breadth. Add one dimension. Width. So you can now go from point A to another point B on the horizon but only in one line. Better than being stationary isn't it? Are you superior because you are making for point B, though you haven't arrived? No. No more superior than a person simply getting on a train. It's just something you do.

But supposing the place you want to reach is way over to the left and nowhere near where the A to B train is going. Well you could always use a car. A car moves in 2 dimensions. You can turn left and right.
Are you more superior because you use a car? Well Jeremy Clarkson says you are. But in reality it is just another tool that gives us slightly greater flexibility. But we're not saying we've arrived.
We're on our way. But in 2 dimensions.
Supposing we want to mend the space station which keeps breaking down. We're going to have to move in 3 dimensions. A rocket or rocket plane.
Have we arrived? Are we superior? No it's just a tool which has more manoeverability to allow us to move in three dimensions. Up as well as across and straight ahead.
This dimension parable picture is brilliant for another reason. It shows how a person can be born again in the third level but still has to go through all the growth stages. Something I couldn't quite get my head round, though I knew from Florida last year was true. All we are saying is that a third level seed of three dimensional Divine Life has been placed into a believer's spirit. That seed is perfect. Can't be improved on. Contains everything within it that the believer will ever need...."the Fulness of the Godhead bodily dwells within My Lord...etc...and we are complete in Him." But the 3 dimensional seed still has to grow
OUT
IN THREE DIMENSIONS.
But at least it is 3 dimensional seed.... not one or 2 dimensional seed that we've been preaching for nearly 2000 years...and getting only one or two dimensional results!!!!........meanwhile, where was I?

Ah yes....So any talk of 3rd level as having arrived...well Paul just said...I press on to know the power of His resurrection that if at all possible I may attain to the resurrection of the dead...Phew...to even be thinking like that.
Mind you this was the man, who having been stoned,left for dead, was prayed for by the brethren, gets up, and without even a cup of tea says..."Right, next town then!!!" It always reminds me of the Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, who loses all his limbs and fights on.

All third level is , is simply the revelation you need to get you out of that meeting room, away from those praise CDs, away from the prayer closet, away from 24/7 one hour prayer sessions

to a place where you start growing up into the Head
Fulltime
leaving meetings behind
but when you later go into them you turn them on their head
because you are a 3rdleveller
you live there.
You don't go to meetings so they can bless you.
You go to meetings so you can take them by the scruff of the neck and head them off in a 3rdlevel direction, before anyone knows what you are doing!
3rd level subversion...like Jesus walking to the front of a meeting reading Isaiah 61 then saying Today this is fulfilled amongst you.
Meanwhile a rabbi looks up, raises his thick eyebrows and says "Aherm! I don't remember that last sentence. Come again?What was that?"

Part of third level life is winding people up. I love the fact that by calling this blog "On to the 3rd Level"...tons of people stuck in their left-brains are thinking of Greek step mentality and that I am setting myself up as a super saint who has achieved step 3...and therefore hate this blog...

when really Ephesians says all of us have been caught up into the heavenlies and we operate now from there. 1st and 2nd levellers read these chapters out because they have to......but 3rd levellers are the only ones who dare to say
because this is TRUE we run our meetings this way. Today this is fulfilled before your very eyes!!!
Another 3rd levellism is that our God is not
The God of Abraham and Isaac.
For years we have effectively preached that.
Our God is
The God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob.
This is the generation of Jacob...those who seek the face of the God of Jacob..Ps24
AND LIVE!